Most USABLE Sports Car?? *Porsche 911 997 MANUAL C2S Review*
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
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Welcome to the MANUAL Porsche 911 Carrera 2S!
Porsche are one of the most recognised car brands on the planet. They have history with Le Man's, GT racing & even Rally!
With a CV like that, it's easy to see how Porsche produce some of the best cars ever.
Their flagship model is the 911. The 911 was made famous for many reasons; its perfomance, without sacrificing comfort, as well as its iconic swooping rear end that houses the very unusual rear engine lay out, down to its iconic circular headlights.
We recently featured the superb 997 Carerra 4S with the automatic transmission. As fantastic as it was, I couldn't help feel that the torque converter killed a lot of the fun.
With this in mind, we were thrilled when Ryan offered us his manual, Carrera 2S for the day to compare.
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Yes it’s a super car! We’ve all had sports cars, M3, S14s etc, this is another level up!! Great video as always guys!
@lukedavies7448 I would be inclined to agree with you dude! To me, a 911 is a supercar lol
Thanks man! 🙏 appreciate the support!
- Drew
Some gt3 models are some of the fastest cars in the world
Having driven almost 1κ miles with a 997.1S on different mountain roads (with PASM - 2 way factory suspension setup) i can assure you that what the racing driver has told you is absolutely right!
As far as the front (nose lift) is concerned, two-three things are vital in order to avoid it on a high degree.
First is to have tires in good condition and proper pressure checked, as manufacturer suggests.
Second, is to have at least 3/4 of fuel tank, since it is located at the front, mostly front right part of the car.
Having tested many times, at least on a LHD, from 1/4 to a full tank, i 've reached to that conclusion.
Third is to set pasm to sport when you want to drive fast on twisty roads (if the car has it, or else to change to slightly stiffer front shocks, the one seen here does not have the little clock-timer on the centre console which is included for pasm suspension cars), i.e to it's stiffer setting.
Having done all the aforementioned, i' ve found out that the handling of the car is immaculate, especially when tires come to a proper level of heat , mostly being neutral to slight oversteer on the limit, with a high level of precision from the front end when driving on racing lines, which is the proper way for this kind of mechanical drive layout. (RR)
Last but not least, thanks to that layout, trail braking is also an option, since the back end, apart from a wider rear axle has a significant weight load, thus making it more stable when changing direction.
Exactly, I can understand these guys feeling the front end is unsettled or twitchy. However, certainly the front end isn’t where you worry driving a 911, the “divey” front end is what makes the car so much fun; they change direction immediately, very playful as a result.
They should be more worried about what the back end might do to ya. Stay in the throttle coming out of the corners and try not to let off, can be scary but it’s so gratifying, playful and drives like nothing else, wouldn’t trade a 911 for anything.
Just to be pedantic- all 997.1 Carrera S cars do indeed have PASM suspension as standard but not necessarily the optional " little clock-timer on the centre console "
....although, reading another comment below, maybe it's different for UK cars ? No PASM unless optioned ??? Weird ! Sucks to be in the UK then if so :)
@@craggyoldman6065 ...you are right, all 997.1 S cars do have PASM as standard.
If i'm not mistaken, the only difference having the extra "sport chrono package plus" (with the clock-timer included) is the ability to have better throttle response when sport button is activated,
and a less intrusive PSM(?) (when not fully turned off) which mimics the function of a mechanical LSD.
Optional extra, but without cost on "S" cars , was the ability to choose "sport suspension package" (thus deleting PASM) by adding firmer and lower springs by 10mm, compared to PASM models.
That package also included new anti-roll bars with greater torsional strength and a mechanical LSD.
Last, Porsche noted that the sport suspension package could be fitted only to manual cars with 19'' wheels...
Agree with all this , learn the car and you will have a masterpiece.
I sold my e46 m3 and bought a c4s . No looking back for me.
Get it set up from somewhere like centre gravity and the transformation is breathtaking
I owned a brand new 997.1 c2s from 2005 to 2015 when i graduated to a 991.1 gt3. The 997 was my daily drive and the my autocross and de car. I loved that car and sounded much nicer than the one you tested. It had sport chrono and was a pleasure as a daily which it was and on track. 54,000 miles with no problems other than one clutch change. Brilliant car.
I swear your videos just get better and better👍 I'm late watching this been away on holidays, iv always loved a Porsche 😍 brilliant editing 👌🏼
@TwistedTattoo.WarShorts thank you dude!
I didn't see the notification for your comment 🤦🏻♂️ thanks man, I had a bit of fun editing this one!
- Drew
@@accelerateyoutube it's ok 👍 thank you mate
Around 90% of components are the same between a 911 and Boxster/Cayman but where a detuned 911 engine is where God would put it…in the middle. I drank the cool-aid and owned 5 911’s during my life; 993’s, 997’s, incl. Turbo S etc. I now have a 718 GTS 4.0 Boxster which is better than all of ‘em. If you must scratch the iconic 911 itch or need four seats then do it. But aside from motorsport 911’s, Turbo GT cruisers or the odd rare (read expensive) special editions the Cayman/Boxster are the perfect sports cars for UK roads, feel, balance, size, where the Boxster also looks better than a 911 cab.
@neilgaydon5430 I have been dying for some to comment who has owned both, thank you!!!
First of all, I am so jealous you have owned a 993 😍 that, along with a 964 is on my dream list.
From someone that clearly has a lot of experience with Porsche, I am shocked you share the same opinion as Kenny & I; in that the Boxster is a better handling/feeling car. I thought we were the only ones!
718 GTS must be the ultimate B Road machine! Very good taste!
Thank you for watching & commenting.
- Drew
@@accelerateyoutubeI drive a Boxster S 981, and have tested several 911’s for un ‘upgrade’ but I couldn’t feel the same emotion when driving it either in the Alps or in roads with multiple hair spins… so glad to see it was not just me 😂
As someone who can’t afford my dream 911 car, I am reassured by your comment, because my 2011 BS is such a joy that I can’t imagine ever getting rid of it. Good to know I really don’t need to!
Great video guys, loving the drone shots.👌🏻
@benblm82 thanks man! Yeh, the rest of the video sucks doesn't it 😒....😂
- Drew
@@accelerateyoutube completely bud I thought a child had edited it 😂😂😂 kidding.
Or am I 🤣
Nice video, guys. At the front end; you have to brake it into the corner to put some weight on the front end. If you brake only before the corner, the front end keeps being light and you don’t get the best grip.
@daggidding4478 ah, that makes sense. Not what I am used to at all but that does make sense.
I'm guessing you speak from experience?
Thank you for watching!
- Drew
@@accelerateyoutube yep. I have a 997 C4S and I had to adjust my driving style as mentioned 😃
@@accelerateyoutube I have a 997.1 C2S after a parade of FR BMWs of various vintages. This tip is exactly right. Trail braking into the corner to get that grip in the front tires, ease off the brake going into the apex, then just past apex get on the throttle and take advantage of that weight out back for the extra traction it gives you to squat down and power out of the turn. Once you figure out the driving style for a 911, it's mind bending how much speed you can take out of a corner thanks to all that extra traction in the back as soon as you get on the throttle.
For the ‘heavier’ front feel, get anything with the 4. I hope you do. I owned a 997.1 4S and never felt the front was too light in any circumstances (nor too heavy for that matter). It was confidently planted in all corners at all speeds for spirited daily use. Cheers
I used to own MY07 997.1 Carrera S -20mm Sports chassie (w/LSD) w/factory shortshift. I was coming from E36 and E46 M3 and I never liked the 997 rear engine setup. It was very sensitive to lift-off, rear-end heavy (with very good traction but light front), sports chassie was very stiff which at the time did not have PASM and the clutch was on the heavy side with notchy gear shifts, especially when the transmission oil was cold. Furthermore, in heavy traffic, after couple of clutch engagements, the clutch bite point changes and the car stalls if you use the same bite point. The looks have become classic but the chassie and mk1 interior are not aged well. Now I have 991.1 Carrera S (cabrio) that has a much better and updated interior. Also it has a superior chassie that feels like a mid-engine car. Also the sound of the DFI engine is much better/sportier with a 1000 higher rpm range.
@pride355 wow, that does like a well specced 997 you had, so your opinion is well justified! (E36 & E46 M3s are fantastic cars all around, very good taste sir!)
You are right, the traction is great on the 997, at no point did I feel the back end misbehave, but with that, the front end just made me a bit nervous.
I imagine the 991 generation is a different animal completely. And there is obviously a reason the 911 has been so successful.
It's great to hear opinions from actual 911 owners, so thank you for commenting!
- Drew
@@accelerateyoutube Try a lift-off around a corner while doing 70-80 mph 😅 The car was optioned by me; including full beige leather, Adaptif sports seats, painted (body color) mid-tunnel, sports chrono etc.
Lovely shots of her, pleasure as always 🤌
@ryanlewis6507 can not thank you enough man! 🙏
Really appreciate the trust!
I can send you the photos I have if they're any good to you.
- Drew
I've owned my 997 Carrera S for 10 years and have also run a slew of hot hatches alongside, with my latest being the A35 AMG. The 911 always gives you a sense of occassion and the drive is theatrical. The A35 feels fast, grippy, good handling, but all this feels somewhat clinical.
@zayd55 the 10 year ownership speaks volumes by itself!
It's great that you can compare the two as Kenny & I always say; as fantastic as modern perfomance cars are, they lack feeling & emotion!
Thank you for watching & commenting.
- Drew
Thanks for your swift reply. Just to add a little more to this recipe. Prior to purchasing my 911, I had owned several German and Japanese sports cars and I was somewhat nervous about the service and repair costs of the 911. I was quite wrong indeed. I have to say that my 20 year old 911, has been the most reliable car I've ever owned. I was lucky to have bought a well looked after example, but still mine suffered bore scoring and I was fortunate to have bought a car with an extended manufacturer warranty, which I only discovered when the former owner responded to my introductory post on the 911UK forum!I swiftly took it into the main dealer and had the engine rebuilt. Its been solid these past 10 years. From my years of experience with these cars, i am of the strong opinion that many initial owners were not driving them properly. As you guys have mentioned in your video, these are revvy engines and its critical to keep them above 2000 rpm in all gears, as this stops the engine from being run slack and under torqued. Furthermore, with all the time I've spent with the car and replaced end of life components, I can tell you that Porsche over engineered a lot of parts on this car. Many people don't know that circa 2005 was a golden era when cars were still built according to the engineers mandates and after this period, the marketing departments took over. My 4 year old A35 AMG has already been to the dealer 4 times for warranty work, with the worst being a major common fault of the cylinder head failing!
I owned one of these and it was great on the street, running errands and on a track day. Terrific car!
I always prefer the wheels on these to the standard 4s
@Birmingham_racing I do agree with you on that one!
Thank you for watching!
- Drew
Interesting, so a Cayman S is probably the answer if you've got £15-25k to spend and want a hard top coupe. You'll get a newer car and it seems by many accounts a superior handling car but with slightly less oomph which doesn't really matter on the roads anyway.
@@mattscars I would be very inclined to agree with you on that. I am yet to drive a Cayman, but as you say, I think it may be the perfect Porsche for me personally.
The Cayman GT4 may just blow my metaphorical pants off!
Thank you for watching!
- Drew
Agreed, driven the 997.1 and 2 and I will say my launch year Cayman S is still a much better driver.
I've got a 987.1 with a top gear valved exhaust. If you want a comparison video
@matthewbaldwin4783 that would be a very interesting comparison if possible!
I bet it sounds fantastic!
Thank you for watching!
- Drew
@accelerateyoutube yeah it sounds amazing with the top down. I'm free most weekends. I live in Stoke. Hit me up
The 911 is a victim of its own success so much so that folk approach the car with a kind of reverence, awe even and expect it to blow their socks off from the get go. It won’t, but the more you drive it the more you’ll get it. Then one day you’ll have a light bulb moment, an “a ha” moment.
A 911 is about how it makes you feel, the noise, the rear dynamics, the lightness of the front (you won’t notice it after a while)The admiring glances that you get, the history.
No boxster, cayman, M3 or whatever comes anywhere close.
Can see this could be the replacement for the TT when it goes 🤣
@@gavmorris3191 😂😂...........👀..........
- Drew
0:55 Belle vidéo 👌 😉.🏴🇫🇷
@alaindunkerque59 thank you mate!
Are you a Porsche fan? Or strictly Audi? 😂
- Drew
J'adore Audi et Porsche. Deux superbes marques. Le rêve 👍 😉
Sport button option is a must, makes throttle much lighter and easier to use. I never use the PASM button though, suspension already very stiff in normal mode. Maybe you'd use PASM button on the track. Sunroof is a nice option as the cabin is quite small and can get a bit hot even with AC on. Electric seats, some people hit their knees on the door memory buttons and if you're the only one driving it, I don't see the need. Set your seat position and leave it alone, just adds weight otherwise. Suspension is too firm for British roads & they only do 22mpg. GT cars really. Great on Motorways. I don't suppose many have done their top speed @180mph, ever. BMW Z4 also a 6-cylinder, might be worth considering. Most 911 owners have at least 2 other cars because they are not daily's. Get a manual, the Triptronic is not good. .2's get a better AUTO gearbox with paddle shifts, for those who live in more built-up areas. Get it bore score checked (£200) before you buy one, as some previous owners may not have waited to rev it above 3,500rpm before the oil temp was up. Look great the .1's and as the guys said 90% of folks won't know it's an older model. Everyone recognises the 911 shape. A get a lot of attention from women of all ages, so they obviously recognise the 911, men have their pride to worry about and tend to look away. £28k gets you a 60k miler. Like I said, 90% of people won't know the difference between a 997 and a 992 when you pass them on the road so that's nice. Looks expensive but isn't.
Or just get a 981S, better handling with the mid engine, boxster looks better as a convertible, 30mpg average, two trunks for Long weekends and you get much more for your money.
They are very spec dependant, a fully loaded one will be harder to find, u less you pay up for the gts premium.
Oh, and the 981 sounds better
How does it drive compare to a Z3 M Coupe?
911 is not sports or supercars...its 911!
I really get 911s having fan-boys that piss themselves just thinking about them. I myself think modern 911s are awesome.
But.
They're nowhere NEAR the best usable sports car, nor is the 911 in this video a Super car. It's performance is o.k., but not great. It's costs (purchase, repairs and maintenance) are absolutely astronomical, and it's not that spacious or comfortable for daily use.
This is a video of two fanboys justifying their obsession, and nothing more.
Gorgeous car…..but I find it amusing when someone who’s never driven a “Cayman” will proffer an opinion as to how it might compare to a 911 ! ?
If you want a legitimate answer, listen to the people that own them……not someone who “got the keys” for a few hours.
Caymans and Carreras certainly have different driving characteristics……but even 911’s …..there are roughly 24 different models…..drive a bit different within their own class.
Again, listen to those that own them…..and not so much to those that WANT TO….!
Pretty bored of these "HONEST REVIEWS". Everyone has only honest reviews. How about making a dishonest one for a change? :D
You acknowledged the correct pronunciation of Porsche and went ahead and ignored it 🤦🏻♂️