Torque and Horsepower Explained! | The Shop Manual
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Riders and gearheads love to talk about torque and horsepower, but the terms can be a bit confusing if you try to think of them as something more than a number. So what is torque, and what is horsepower? In this episode of The Shop Manual we give simple explanations for these often misunderstood terms that are such a fundamental part of motorcycling.
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Hey Team, thx for another awesome video :)
Would it maybe possible to get a video from Ari´s Shop Manual, of him doing an upside-down fork rebuild?
I know there is an video during his old MM times, but thats 8 years old and was about an right-side-up one.
Greetings an have a good one folks
i’m sure y’all have muted me but this video rly needs a rewrite
if u want to avoid misinformation and actually elucidate the difference btwn torque and power for bikers who don’t know..
power = acceleration
torque ≠ acceleration
torque = where the power band is in the rpm
power tells u how fast u can accelerate
torque tells u what rpm range yr power band is at.. (a 200ftlb 100hp bike had a much lower redline than a 60 ftlb 100hp bike for example,,
but w the perfect transmission they’ll have the same acceleration..)
This was the explanation i was looking for. I knew the diff...but only at a surface level. The crank motion animation & explanation with the two different motorcycles really helped.
Yes - holding the piston-con rod and the crank pin made the difference for me too. Have seen many videos on hp vs torque and the force x distance equation but somehow that visual made it click.
same was very helpful!
Indeed
Torque is just a force. I think the concept of force is quite intuitive. Power is the one that is less intuitive. In layman's terms, a powerful muscle can exert a lot of force. But when you say a powerful engine can exert a lot of torque, it can get confusing because of the power and torque numbers/curves in the specs/dyno sheets. The torque can climb down while the power still goes up, but all is relative to the rpm.
In describing engines, compared to describing muscles, the term Power is more technical. A force causing motion in the direction of that force, is producing work. The higher the rate that you can do that "work", the higher is your measured power.
Torque is the rotational force produced by the engine's combustion, causing the crank to rotate (revolves). The rate of crank rotation is in revolutions per minute. The higher the torque that your engine is exerting at a certain rpm, then the higher the power will be at that rpm. Suddenly, the term "work" here is not specifically mentioned anymore.
If your engine crank is rotating at a rate 6500 rpm with a force (torque) of 500 lb. ft. behind it, then it is producing 619 hp.
The terms that are constantly there is the torque (force) and the revolutions (motion) per minute (rate). Power is kind of just a "calculated" result.
“How rapidly the torque is applied” made a lot of sense to me.
The wrench into gear graphic was spectacular.
A wise man once said "Horsepower is how fast you can crash into a wall and Torque is how many walls you take with you."
Classic. Saying.
Worst analogy ever.
😂😂😂😂 what an awesome analogy.
@@doomman700how’s it wrong? I’ll wait.
@@nogginbonker76how is it wrong, start with torque is a twisting motion not push. Then the fact that momentum will be what carries that wall which means speed and Hp will push it farther. Need more?
Of all the videos I've seen explaining torque and horsepower, this is the best one ! Way to go Revzilla, another great video!
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take that wall with you
😂
I always knew what it was. But the analogy of the runner is a good one. The actual step pushing off the ground is the measure of torque, and HP measures the distance with multiple of those steps
It is a nice but completely useless analogy, because the torque as in the subject of this video is crankshaft torque, which is one of the most useless engine parameters, unless boasting and bragging are a virtue.
Crankshaft torque cannot be compared to the runners "push-off" because bikes and cars, unlike runners, have gearboxes.
Crankshaft torque is TOTALLY meaningless.
At best, the SHAPE of the torque curve matters, but only a bit, and only for mediocre drivers that do not know how to use a gearbox (and I know that because I am one, hence my preference for older big twin sportsbikes like the 2-valve Duc's).
The best practical example for the utter irrelevance of engine torque can be found in Moto Grand Prix racing in the 1960's and '70's: Despite fourstrokes being "torquey" and riderfriendly with a wide powerband, pulling like a freighttrain, opposed to twostrokes being peakey and high revving, narrow powerband and not all that much torque compared to the 4-strokes, without a single exception ALL manufacturers went with the 2-stroke for the simple reason that it is horsepower that wins races. Not torque. Even Soichiro Honda, who absolutely HATED twostrokes and tried to keep racing a fourstroke with the NR series, knew this (the NR was intended to extract 2-stroke horsepower from a 4-stroke engine). Honda had to cave and also changed to 2-stroke. Quite succesfully, I might add.
I always knew the difference in terms of applicability, but the actual physics behind it never clicked until now! They aren’t 2 different measurements, Torque is a variable within horsepower. You finally helped it click, thank you!
It's like money. USD 50000 is a nice amount but meaningless without time, is it per week, per month, per annum, over a lifetime? Similarly, torque is timeless, horsepower is torque over time.
How did you know the difference in application, but not understand the physics? Cart before the horse.
Well,if you ride a v twin and a sportbike i would say its impossible not to feel the difference@@gorillamoto5329
@@gorillamoto5329easy, if someone tells you torque is strength and Horsepower is Power then you now know the difference in application but you still might not know the physics behind it. We all know what things do but don't know how many things do it.
@@paulneedham9885torque is strength, Horsepower is power? 😂 Watch the video again. In simple terms, horsepower is torque over time.
Ari does such a great job of breaking it down for the viewers! Keep these awesome videos coming Revzilla!!!
I've heard this explained so many ways over the years. This has got to be one of the cleanest descriptions. Good explanation and analogies. Nice job!
I think this is truly one of the best explanations on the Internet. I’ve watched a lot of videos on horsepower versus torque and I’ve never understood it until now.
This has got to be the clearest explanation I've ever heard. Thank you man. You are a treasure
I've seen several vids on youtube which trying to explain the difference between torque and horsepower... this one is by far THE BEST explanation ever! Thanks Ari!
That break down with the different runners is the best explanation I have seen for this. I am mad that I never made such a simple connection for explaining this to other people. lol
Torque is just a number used to compute horsepower and is a static number, having no value in time. We exist in time so we want to know how much work will occur in time. Horsepower is what we use for that. Doesn’t have to be peak horsepower, but horsepower below the curve or wherever in the rpm range.
Yes! God, yes. I wish Ari would just say this. Torque on its own is basically a useless number that doesn't tell us anything. The whole HP curve is what matters, because it's the *power output of the engine*. Torque = strength and HP = speed works in many cases as a simple explanation but is very misleading and leads to misunderstandings.
@@Wintersdarkand make sure the hp and tq graph cross at 5252 which is used in the computation. I’ve seen graphs published where this did not occur.
Awesome explainer. Useful to me and I've been riding over a decade and driving cars for longer.
What clears up all the confusion (to me at least) is gearing. Using gearing (both the ratios in the transmission and the sprockets), we can change the torque to whatever we want it to be.
100 hp = 100 ft lb * 5252 rpm
100 hp = 200 ft lb * 2626 rpm
100 hp = 50 ft lb * 10504 rpm
So say at 50 mph, both the Harley and the Kawasaki will have their rear wheel spin at the SAME rpm. Say that speed is 525.2 rpm for simplicity. At this point it’s clear that the Kawasaki is actually putting more WHEEL TORQUE to the ground than the Harley, regardless of what the crankshaft torque is.
116 hp = 1160 ft lb * 525.2 rpm
83 hp = 830 ft lb * 525.2 rpm
4:45 This video was close to being corrected. The acceleration with same tourqe comment is wrong. A bike in its *power* band accelerates faster than when its not and its the same bike with the same weight in the same gear.
A bike in its power makes more torque too, than remaining part of the rev range. So he's not wrong.
Love the video, some great explanations, I do worry that some people will hear "torque equals stronger acceleration and horsepower means higher top speed" and miss the caveat that the transmission makes the torque somewhat irrelevant.
Yeah that line is not true. A bike acclrates faster in its powerband, it's weight and gear says the same. The only think it change was the amount of horsepower that was created.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 I get the simplification he's going for and I'm positive he knows the intricacies. It's difficult to tell a RUclips audience to integrate the horsepower chart across the range of the intended powerband to determine average acceleration. The sentence just seemed like a misleading sound bite when later people take it out of context.
@@joepelletier5381 I agree with you. My main point is it should have been left out because as you point out it will be misleading
True. Given perfect gearing, the engine that makes the most horsepower will also make the most torque. In real life though we have no perfect gearing so in many cases an engine that makes greater maximum torque is more useful.
@@LTVoyager I think my point is that this is only true (that we should compare just torques) if both bikes have the same redline and I'm afraid that wasn't clear in the video.
Best torque/horsepower explanation I've seen, thanks!
This is by far the best explanation and showcase I've ever seen.
wow, great video, especially the last bit talking about the transmission, that was the best explanation i have ever seen
Thanks man. Cleared a lot of things for me!!
Watched this topic a hundred times. I still enjoyed your presentation. Nice work!
This was the explanation I was looking for and the best explanation so far, now I've better understanding of Power and Torque and their relation.
I love your videos they are easily understood for such complex topics don’t ever stop.
I can say that it's the one of the best video educating with simple and easy examples for torque and horse power, thanks 😊
This is the best explanation I have heard of the difference. And how they relate to each other.
Thank you. I have just spent 40 minutes over breakfast flicking through rubbish videos suggested by RUclips only to give up and see if my favourite channel has posted anything new. Yes! Sanity returned, I can now enjoy the rest of my day suitably educated and knowing there are some great videos on RUclips, just that most of them are from Revzilla.
I absolutely love these knowledgable vids, keep them coming
Amazing explanation, please keep such videos coming ! 😊
This is the best explanation video i have ever seen regarding torque and horsepower.
Hey man Great seeing you doing well i have watching ur videos for a long time and also long before you had a little accident. I don’t know if you will see this message but still felt happy seeing u do well 😊
Just an excellent explanation of a topic that seems simple but can actually be quite tricky to understand. The young man speaks clearly at a moderate speed, gives a clear explanation, and doesn’t see the need for loud, pounding music playing while he talks. And the video is not overly long. At last, I understand why an engine with a longer stroke makes more torque, other things being equal, than an engine with a shorter stroke.
Nice. Been checking a few explanations and this one is pretty damn good. Thank you.
Well explained, Ari! LOVE the Shop Manual!
Very easy and straightforward explanation!
Thank you Ary, finally someone make a video about this 🙏🙏🙏
Another banger from The Shop Manual, thanks for everything you do brother🫡
best explanation i have ever heard or seen on the internet.
Another youtube torque vs. horsepower video?
And yet this is a clear and entertaining explanation.
This is a great video, thank you
Thanks Ari 👍
Perfectly explained and illustrated
Do you know how many years I’ve been trying to figure THis out? . . . And I’m a car guy! Thank you, everyone who had a part putting this video together!
Excellent explanation which nothing can beat.
Thanks for this video
Thank you for keeping teaching us great stuff.
So what I'm getting from this is that the amount of torque at the crankshaft is not an important number. So why is it always talked about like it is? Because of a lack of understanding and of course marketers know this so they perpetuate the misconception.
You hit the nail on the head. Peak torque is kinda useless figure and is only talked about because of momentum. It doesn't matter if it's a useful number to the maker if it sells bikes
@pleasedontwatchthese9593 yeah, there are still a lot of dudes in comments thinking torque makes a difference in acceleration.
If two bikes have the same hp then they will accelerate the same regardless of torque difference. Only difference will be bike with lower torque will have to rev lot higher.
@@currycel470 the bike has to Rev higher to create similar torque, torque is the turning force of the engine, HP is how fast the engine can work. The higher the torque the faster you take off, how fast you can go is HP. So a Harley will beat a Sport Bike off the line but the Sport Bike will then pass the Harley. Harley high Torque low RPM, Sport Bike high HP high RPM.
@@currycel470bro it does😂, not a big difference, but it makes a difference
You answered a lot of my questions here thanks a lot for that
This is the best explanation available on RUclips right now!
Great explanation - thanks!
I've seen 10+ videos on torque and hp and this has literally the best explanation.
The best explanation ever on a seemingly simple but complex concept to explain.
GREAT explanation Ari!! I am digging the Shop Manual.
I didn't realize I could understand this topic so clearly. I used to think I kinda got it, but with your explanation, no doubt. Thanks very much 👍
A very much needed video.
Great job, this is explained sooo well! :D
Great explanation. Very easy to understand and always good to understand these things.
Thanks man. I was struggling to understand this but you saved me ❤
this is the best explanation I've ever seen of this
Hey, that was really good! Very clear and great examples!
Excellent explanation. Thanks very much 💪🏼
such a great way to explain this. im using that transmission one cause that is the hardest part about teaching someone besides the clutch.
Killer video, great job my dude
perfect and simple, thank you!
Great video.
Awesome explanation.
THANK YOU!! It super clear to me now
Good demonstration of these two very fundamental concepts.
Best Moto channel on RUclips.
Torque is how many revs you need to go fast, accelerate fast, pull a load etc. (do work). Power is how much work you can do.
For acceleration, more power yields more acceleration, nit necessarily torque. Power is energy output of the engine per unit time. To accelerate faster, you need to add more kinetic energy per unit time, thus you need more power, nit necessarily torque.
Half the torque at four times the rpm accelerates the vehicle twice as fast at a given speed (i.e. adjusting gearing to maintain the same speed in both scenarios), because wheel power is double. Wheel torque is also double, as the transmission ratio differs by a factor of 4 while engine torque only differs by a factor 0,5.
What a great explanation - thanks!
This is probably the best explanation of torque and horsepower I've ever watched. Kudos 🎉
That was very well done!
Good job on the explanation.
It was one of the best video on yt which explains everything so simply. I knew the formula, but always had a doubt between these 2 terms. And now I get it, why people say cruiser are torque master. And also that gear explanation with animation was also good, initial gears are big, large radius, hence generating more torque / power to move your vehicle. But, at higher speed your vehicle is already moving, u don't need torque, u need fast rotation, hence gears became shorter for high rpm.
Well done, thank you - great explanation
Top-notch video. Good content and engaging graphics.
Top notch explanation. Really informative 👌🏽
I need to be reminded of this every few years. Thanks Ari.
Made it look easy to explain. Thank you.
Great explanation Ari! Thanks you
Never seen such a good explanation video ever.❤
Great video, thank you!
Perfect "for laymen" explanation. Bravo!
Well-explained, thanks.
Excellent video with both a simple explanation and easy to understand terms. Thanks!
This is actually the best explanation of the difference I have yet to see. Finally, something that anyone can understand.
Neat and simple! Very well explained sir
Best explanation I've heard.
Excellent introduction to mechanical functions of power. Well done.❤
Nicely done Ari
As a scientist who rides every day, Ari using freedom units - ONE POUND OF FORCE - actually hurts my brain. I guess Ryan F9 (whos also a physicist) would agree, great video as always, tho!
this is seriously the best explanation of this I've ever seen.
Many thanks, great explanation 👌
I understood within the first 15 seconds of the video.
Kept the video playing, and now I've to go back to the first 15 seconds.
WELL EXPLAINED!
I learned physics at a university and I still enjoyed this video! Thanks.
Well explained Ari 👍
Very well explained ❤
Decades searching for an explanation like that. Thanks Ari!
Decades? But this was explained in high school (at least from my part of the world). Force, motion, rate = power. Basically, power is the calculated result. Force, motion, and rate are its factors and are the ones that are quite intuitive to understand. More torque (force) at a certain revolutions (motion) per minute (rate), more calculated power.
Fantastic video!