0:00 The Players recap 22:10 Will Rory McIlroy leave TaylorMade? 38:36 What golf clubs will Rick use in 2023? 41:02 Should more golfers play from forward tees? 43:11 The golfer who reached single figures wants new clubs 46:23 My friend is a golf cheat! 56:35 Break 75 at Sawgrass
Weirdly, the more Scheffler wins the more I like him. I find it facinating how simple and clean his game is, with a few flashes of brilliance but basically never making any huge mistakes. Not the flashiest in 1 round but over the course of a season/career it's just as exciting
I like him but...I have a hard time watching him with that sloppy footwork. It just bugs me because it's distracting, so I tend to try to watch him from the knees up on full swings. I know it's petty but it's very distracting. His short game is awesome, his putting is good and his iron game is really solid. He appears to be a really nice, well rounded person.
Watching the break 75 and then being able to see the same course did make the watching experience that much better. Its really cool to be able to see the on course angles from ricks camera view and then have it translate to watching the tour pros hit from similar spots on the course. Would love to see more of that if possible.
Ya this was what I was thinking watching last weekend. I watched Rick as well as Foreplay out at Sawgrass in the days before and felt like I knew the course hole by hole. Made the watching experience THAT much more enjoyable.
Jason Day left TaylorMade not too long ago and started using a Ping G425 driver. He's made other changes to his bag and is being more successful. I think you will start seeing more golfers moving away from an entire bag full of sponsored clubs.
@@andymacduff2 I think the point is players need the ability to be adaptable to the changes in their game. Right now Rory is looking at what Callaway is doing with their drivers and probably wishing he was able to throw it in his bag and give it a shot. TaylorMade isn't doing anything to innovate their equipment besides the carbon face. Outside of that they have tweaked and added money bumps to their drivers and then do a GREAT job marketing the products. You could even argue the carbon face is not producing nearly the stats that titanium is still producing. Honestly if Titleist were to steal the head of TaylorMade's marketing department, then the TSR driver would be in every players hands and the carbon face driver would phase out quickly.
At his height he was getting paid something like 26 million a year by Taylormade/Adidas. Pretty sure if they were still paying him that he would play whatever they told him to.
@@chriscanzanese5063 I know I would. It's like liv golfers getting paid regardless. Your equipment sponsor pays 10 mil? Hell I almost wouldn't care where I finished.
I'd love to see Rory back with a full Titleist bag. I think other than last year of course, his years with Titleist were when he was most dominant. As soon as he moved to Nike it seemed like those clubs were not doing him any favors, he still had some good years but I always wondered if they would have been better if he was using different clubs. It seemed like maybe he was turning a corner last year with TaylorMade and maybe he still will this year. But we'll see.
Doubling down here, yes, seeing you play the TPC Sawgrass just a day before play started was an amazing way to experience the weeks golf! Do that more for sure!
I am liking Scheffler more and more. To me he is the golf equivalent like Pete Sampras was to tennis. Incredible talent, not a lot of flash, calm demeanor, very business like, but just goes out and wins while wowing you with clutch shotmaking.
Also he does not put a lot of pressure on himself , he really goes out and feels like a 1st or 2nd or whatever place he finishes is all done calmly and routinley which deff shows he can keep this pace up and continue winning big golf tournaments. I do not think a ton of guys can play like him in the situations he is in and share his same dimenor in doing so. He is so grounded and simple that he might just become all time and legendary.
Tour Experience Golf had an interesting take on Rory's situation. Maybe he started tuning the driver too late. Scottie Scheffler apparently started working on it in December.
Just looked up Rory's stats from The Players, and you're right he gained +1.25 OTT, but was -1.54 SG Putting, and - 2.15 SG ARG. It seems like the stats say the driver was fine, just couldn't score around the green...
Great discussion on clubs for tour players. I could not care less what clubs a tour player uses if they are sponsored. I would be very interested to see what top pros would play if there weren’t any sponsorships. Also great point Rick about designing clubs for most golfers. When I was junior I spent too much tine playing clubs I thought I should play instead of what would be good for my game and it definitely hurt my game
Taylormade do NOT built clubs for just for professional golfers. That is nonsense. All the golf Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM) build their clubheads based on the USGA/R&A specifications. The shaft and grips usually come from different companies. If buying directly from the OEM, they usually offer different shafts and grips so golfers can pick & choose what they thinks works best for them. And it is why it is highly recommended for all golfers to go to a fitting studio and get fitted for the clubs they wish to play. The Stealth-2 Driver Head Rory uses is the same Driver Head available to ALL golfers. Sure, one can change the back-weight or sliding-weight, one can alter the Adapter Sleeve to affect lie angle and face angle, one can choose to play a different shaft... heavier/lighter, longer (up to 48") or shorter, softer flex or stiffer flex. They may even choose a different lofted Driver head, but it's all the same equipment the professional golfers use. Rory uses the Ventus Black, (tipped at 1"), 60g X-Flex Shaft, made by Fujikura. I have literally found two identically tipped Fujikura Ventus Black X-Flex shaft with 2 different (Butt) frequencies. Things like that happens with golf equipment. Rory’s problems could be identified and rectified. They could start by checking the club’s MOI against his old driver.
Some good points about TM. TM are great at promotion though. No doubt the best in golf. I've have always wondered about how much revenue having a player on the books generates. Personally I've never chosen a pieces of equipment based on who uses it. Reviews by yourself, Sophie Walker or James Robinson for example have been far more influential. I bought my G425 from Trafford AG and recall the fitter telling me how often people have come in to try the Stealth and walk out with Ping or Callaway. So in many respects TM's shortcomings in designing a driver for the average man has driven sales for other manufactures. I agree. I agree TM save cash on tour players. Invest in demo days. Reduce the price point and design a club Pro's want to stick in their bags without paying them to do so. No better indorsemant than that is there?
I loved the M5. Played it for 3 years. Didn't see any reason to move to a SIM or SIM2...when the Stealth came out, I got fitted for a Stealth+...I hit it well and 20 yards farther than my M5...so I went with the Stealth+ last year. On the course, I found what Rick found. Inconsistency. When I hit it well, it was nice, but just a bit off and it could go anywhere. So this year I decided to try something. I got fitted for a Stealth2+ and a Paradym....took both home and tested them in my simulator. I found the Stealth2+ to hit the same speed/distance as the original Stealth+ and more controlled and consistent.....then I found the Paradym to be so much better. Much more consistent and easier to control and faster and farther than the TaylorMade. Even off hits go farther and straighter than most Stealth2 hits.
THANK YOU for raising the question of ‘how/why do they play with a big yardage book in the back pocket’ - I never understood that, I can’t believe they don’t find it uncomfortable/inhibiting!
Guy I’m so glad you said the yardage book thing… for me I play golf with nothing in my pockets at all I couldn’t imagine having that damn huge book in my back pocket haha
Rick I’m a 25 handicap and picked up the stealth 2 plus 9 degree. Using a tensi x stiff 65 gram shaft. This has been the most forgiving driver I have used to date. Tried all the new ones this year and nothing. I replaced my rouge max Ls for the Taylor made. My miss hits still stay in play and go about 260 plus. So not sure why you a better player can’t hit this club
SO HOW ARE YOU OFF 25 HITTING IT 260 WITH A MISS HIT??????????????????????/ THE EGO IS BEYOND REPROACH IN THIS GAME,,, YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK STUPID!
I think brands have forgotten the concept of making the best clubs which players want to use, versus paying players to use their clubs. I'd feel more confident buying a club or brand because it has genuine backing from players. One of the reasons I decided on zx7 irons over p770’s is because Brooks chose them when he was brand free.
What has that to do with your swing? I would never take a set of clubs because a tour pro uses them. Even when he is brand free. Simply because I can't swing a golfclub like a tourpro. In Brooks his case I hardly doubt that there wasn't a sponsor deal there because it was announced soon after. He did play Mizuno JPX 919 Tour brand free.
@@tomvankamperdijk4392 I think you misunderstood my comment Tom. I didn't pick the zx7’s just because Brooks used them. I was between the p770’s and zx7 and it was the fact that a tour pro “chose” them over the TM that swung my decision. Nothing to do with my swing. Both clubs are suited to my swing.
Scheffler is a win for the nice guys of the world. Well spoken, mature, clean cut, family man, proud of his faith. Sometimes its fun when "bad boys" win (Tiger, Koepka, DJ) and we make jokes about them doing lines off a hooker's ass with their new trophy next to them on the hotel bed. But sometimes its refreshing seeing someone humble win. And the more he wins, the less people can say Scheffler isn't a great player.
Favorite podcast, I look forward to this every week with my morning coffee. Also you've helped me along the path to become a better golfer, and it's much appreciated.
TP Sawgrass was OUTSTANDING...have watched it 3 time Rick. As for the 12 hole at The Masters...yes it without question The Most Famous Hole in THE WORLD. The complexity of that hole, the history behind it, hence, being on of the signature holes of "Amen Corner".....say it all.
If you're an up and coming golfer then a club deal makes so much sense. When, like Rory, you've made more money than you'll ever need why would you not want to play whatever clubs you liked? Like Rick said, he could employ the best fitter and have his own tour truck. There's more to these manufacturer contracts than meets the eye I think!
The pga should become an international major. It’s insane that there isn’t a major played in Australia, Ireland or any of the other great golf courses around the world
I used to play a lot of competitive local club tournaments. I stopped playing because of people cheating on the handicaps. At the time I was playing at a 7/8 handicap. I would play against folks that were 10/12 and they would shoot mid 70's and you could tell right off they were MUCH better than their handicap. It was frustrating. What I wish would happen is, for a tournament, folks would have to play to the handicaps established from tournament play.
It was a brilliant move for TaylorMade/Callaway to begin hiring influencers to help market their stuff. It feels like popular influencers such as Bob Does Sports could have the potential to move more product than a big name like Rory because they are more relatable as fellow high/mid handicappers (besides FP). If you see Joey Coldcuts cranking a bunch of great drives in a video, then he attributes them to his new Paradym driver, that could easily be more influential since most viewers are mid/high HCP. You can also hire them for pennies on the dollar compared to top tour pro's. We all expect someone like Rory to stripe the ball every time, even with hickory sticks. Most of us aren't delusional enough to think "if I buy that driver I'll hit like Rory", but seeing other high/mid HCP'ers hitting well with it could hold some real weight.
I'm convinced that these YT guys crank up the elevation and wind on their simulators because Rick never hits it on course like in the studio. 285 carry? Right. I also have caught these guys saying they're on the tips and then seeing 1-2 tee boxes behind them. Rick is a nice guy but he's more of a 4 hcp and not a +2 as he claims. Same with Mr Short Game.
Also, the paradym fits to a more variety of golfers, low and high handicap. And delivers consistency on all aspects off the drive which is what Rory needs.
Please do a complete fitting process Rick! We’d absolutely love to see a complete bag overhaul, feels like you’ve just been using Ping which is fine but I’m interested to see what you’d pick now
I started wearing 2 gloves over this winter just purely to keep hands warm but actually found I was much more consistent (probably as my grips aren’t great) and the right hand glove kept the club stable
@Guy, the word you were looking for to describe getting an advantage in other sports is called gamesmanship. It’s absence in golf is one of the things that makes that sport truly unique and so enjoyable.
I missed this yesterday because I missed my normal workout time. But love the topics today! You both do a great service to us that aren’t able to stay up to date with everyone in golf! Keep up the great content.
I will say I’ve always found it impressive that Rick doesn’t change equipment more often. If I had brands giving me all their new gear all the time I’d probably switch clubs every time I had a bad round 😂
When Augusta gives someone permission to play their course they send out a piece of paper with your name on it telling you that you have been approved to play the course on a specific day. Rick said he got a piece of paper. Rick is going to play Augusta confirmed.
My immediate guess as well, and really what else could it be at this point? If true that will be spectacular and such an endorsement of Rick and his channel.
I'm amazed they don't just let the pros use whatever they want and paint them to look like the new model. This is common practice in professional tennis.
Great point, it’s similar in cricket. But I think since they are manufacturers of the club, having a competition paint over it would come with a plethora of legal issues.
rick .... for the amount of golf you play you need a top-to-bottom custom fitting experience. shafts, lofts, lie angle, everything made for Mr.Shiels. It does help
Brilliant conversation about the way clubs are manufactured and I agree that there needs to be a change. There are loads of good points in here. Though getting the average consumer to pick the right club would be MUCH more difficult. The TaylorMade Smasher 4-12 handicap would cover about the top 25% of players out there. But how many players are currently playing a shaft that is too fast for them? Lots. Getting the average player to admit where their game is and buy equipment for that game, I don't know how that would go over.
When you get your ego out of the way and just want to play better golf, you accept what the fitter tells you much more easily. I found I enjoy the game much more now that I listen to fitters and coaches more and less to my ego
Let's also not forget that Scottie uses the Pro-V1. Rors and Morikawa who both can't hit the Stealth 2 are playing TM balls. Even Eldrick is using a Bridgestone
I'm 70 years old, average player, and play the red tees. I love it. No way I'm going to play tees where I need a three wood for an approach club into a par 4. I want a driver and mid to short iron, like the guys I see on TV. It's simply more fun and rewarding.
I tested the stealth 2 plus and I found it more forgiving than the g430. I think you need to test it for yourself. I was very surprised since so many people have bad reviews about it.
Regarding cheats in golf, I’ve seen so many ‘trophy hunters’ and handicap manipulators in the last 20 years. I was brought up to try to achieve the lowest handicap you can as a test of your game. Prizes at club competitions almost encourage people to manipulate handicaps so they can be serial prize winners
Well said. It has become that big handicap competitions are a complete joke IMHO. Given the pressure of a big event, and playing with strangers on a strange course it should be that amateur events are won with on-handicap or a little over. Not likely around here!
Love the format chat. I recently played a Texas Scramble comp as my first one back since September. Great format to remove some pressure. So much so we won the comp by 5 shots with a gross 68, Nett 62 🤣🤣🤣
I agree with Rick, these major manufacturers are making clubs for pros and not the everyday golfer who has to fit in with what is offered, or play with ridiculous lumps of ugliness, thanks Rick ⭐️⭐️
Regarding the guy moving the ball from the tree base...in the USA, many courses have local rules regarding "tree wells" (a radius around the tree that is clearly cut) that specifically require a player take free relief from the area.
I have been a taylormade guy for years. I bought a sim two years ago and I have struggled with it. I have since bought a Cobra Ltdx ls and I hit it so much straighter and it feels so much better than the sim that I will try cobra first from now on.
100% agree with Rick; cheats need to be called out at the moment. Waiting does nothing to improve the situation and may backfire when people think you're petty. There is a way to approach the cheat that isn't so accusatory. "Not sure if you know the lift, clean and place rules, but the ball needs to be placed within 6 inches of the spot it came and rest."
Rick! I’ll tell you a putter combo that I guarantee would work for you! Ping piper vault 2.0 Superstroke pistol GT 2.0 Stability tour shaft Swing weight E2.7 I can guarantee it would never come out your bag. I’ve played this for several years and everyone I’ve recommended this set up to have never looked back.
Thanks for answering my question gents, love the content. And thanks for pronouncing my surname right Guy! You’d be surprised how often people say it wrong 😂
Rick NEEDS a full bag fit with TXG and the one and only Ian Frasier! Do a video series and finally help the RS team understand fittings... Especially for his putter
On the topic playing of playing off various tees, when you play off different tees, you have to have different shots in the bag. Regardless of the tees you play off of the score is determined by proximity to the flag and short game, thus it is not purely distance.
In regards to the equipment manufacturers putting their R&D into the average player and fine tuning the line for a pro with the "TP" Line, isn't this what Callaway is doing ? They have the ST Rogue line for the Masses and offer a PRO version in irons and triple diamond in woods. For the Apex they market the Apex standard strong and offer the Apex Pro line for the low handicapper and Tour Player. I also see something similar from Mizuno. Is this what you were thinking?
I completely agree with the point raised around cheats and this is why I have no interest in playing competition golf with people blagging handicaps just to get better scores and chances to win
Disagree with you Rick .. the 12th at Augusta edges out the 17th at Sawgrass as the "most famous Par 3 in golf" but just barely. Both are amazing holes and can make or break a round, but I feel like the 17th is a bit more "gimmicky" vs. the pureness of 12 at Augusta. Would love to play either! (my other favorite is the 6th at Riviera).
Im playing the SIM Max, and still love it. I’ve hit Taylormade since I was in grade school in the late 80’s. I’ve hit others, but I always go back to TM. I feel like it’s individuals vs. the brand. I feel like if a player plays for a brand, they should be able to use whichever club they wanted from that brand. Did I look at my SIM because of who was hitting it, sure, but I was also due a new driver and that’s what I felt suited me the best for my swing and my game. No hate either way, just my thoughts. With what you said about having a “regular” and a TP, I feel like Taylormade used to do that. They used to have TP drivers, they still call some of their putters TP (not sure they are). But yes, why not get back to that?
On a similar thought, having 10 Majors across the planet that includes players from differing Tours (LIV included) would bring a new interest, and at the end of the year you have a 10 player final that determines player of the year?
3:00 The tee times for golf are definitely a good point. I'm from Europe, but live in the US now and got into golf about 4yrs ago, but watching on TV only for about a year. Every single weekend I end up wanting to watch, but always spend time working in the yard or playing baseball or golf myself. To "sacrifice" an afternoon on a nice day watching sucks, but it would be awesome to get an even to watch at like 6-10pm on a Sunday night!
It wouldn't be so bad if they would stream in a way that wasn't subscription required. I watched more LIV than PGA last year because of how it was broadcast...FREE and easy. For PGA, I would watch on Thur-Fri while working (just a window on the computer), and then on my phone or tablet while golfing...but that isn't an option unless you want to get a subscription service. No thanks.
Some of the "direct to consumer" brands openly say that they can sell their products cheaper because they don't pay a fortune sponsoring tour pros. Inesis have a page on their site explaining exactly this, and what they spend their money on. There's definitely an opportunity for a big manufacturer to get ahead and drop their tour pros in favour of the club golfer.
Totally agree….they’d make a lot more sales if clubs were made for the average golfer with lower price point….thx guys….the normal golfer just wants clubs that feel like they are working
I did go for a Stealth 2 fitting last week. Loved how it felt and it did consistently outperform my current driver by 6 yards. But in the end, I felt laying out $600 for 6 yards wasn't worth the investment for me.
45:46 to the guy asking about what clubs … the p790s shaved off at least 3 stroke of my game, I went from an 11 to an 8 handicap within a year, granted I was playing with 15 year old clubs before but new clubs do help
Rory would be able to get hold of plenty of original brand new Stealth heads. He's probably got stock in his garage! It's clear he is being told to use the latest and not so greatest.
I feel like Rory’s issue is like most long hitters that swing their driver almost 130mph if not faster. A number of videos have come out about the stealth 2 seeing if anything is wrong but no one in those videos swing it as fast or the same way as Rory consistently. Stealth 2 may just be a bad driver for him
Great comments from co-host about Rory. He rips LIV players for "taking the money" but he has no issues taking money from TaylorMade then being upset they won't adjust the rules for him. Used to be a Rory fan but after watching him on Full Swing, I found him as arrogant and entitled
The average sunday golfer and the local public course does not get nor expect a caddie. They are not available. Only at the Higher End Courses are caddies available.
Think Rick needs to get a full back of Wilson Clubs, he always says how good they are and thst their Irons were the best he ever used, and with the new Dynapower driver being his highest recommendation it will make for a very good package.
The Opens are the pinnacle but the British is my favorite tournament to watch, probably because there is not much links here in the states for me to play like the courses there. My bucket list golf trip in Scotland is being built off of Rick's break 75 series.
I would not change my bag. I am a 24 handicapper. Fair weather golfer who ÀBSOLUTLEY loves golf. My bag was made during covid and a love it. A total mish mash. I would love to play Guy/Rick. I have 7 Woods, 9 Woods, mazels, Tank Chipper it's an amazing bag that suites my game!!!
Please come to pursell farms in Alabama before you go to Agusta! That is where good good spent a bunch of time! There is also ross bridge which from the tips is 8200 yards so you could do a break 85 there!
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0:00 The Players recap
22:10 Will Rory McIlroy leave TaylorMade?
38:36 What golf clubs will Rick use in 2023?
41:02 Should more golfers play from forward tees?
43:11 The golfer who reached single figures wants new clubs
46:23 My friend is a golf cheat!
56:35 Break 75 at Sawgrass
Thanks for this
Tie it in when Ian is visiting the new Glasgow store perhaps.
Is this episode 174??
If rick wants new clubs he should do a full pag fitting with TXG and record it as a series
+1000000000000000
This!!!!!
Great idea for content!
Do it for the review channel launch maybe even if it’s not main channel content?
Brilliant idea
Weirdly, the more Scheffler wins the more I like him. I find it facinating how simple and clean his game is, with a few flashes of brilliance but basically never making any huge mistakes. Not the flashiest in 1 round but over the course of a season/career it's just as exciting
He’s an ordinary guy who just loves the competition and is an easy guy to root for.
He's stated before he doesn't think about it he just steps up and hits. I think players that overthink strategy struggle.
he is a legend, hes calm and relaxed and a awesome guy
He wears people down. His demeanor is so grounded, steady and calm. Yet his game is brilliant.
I like him but...I have a hard time watching him with that sloppy footwork. It just bugs me because it's distracting, so I tend to try to watch him from the knees up on full swings. I know it's petty but it's very distracting. His short game is awesome, his putting is good and his iron game is really solid. He appears to be a really nice, well rounded person.
Watching the break 75 and then being able to see the same course did make the watching experience that much better. Its really cool to be able to see the on course angles from ricks camera view and then have it translate to watching the tour pros hit from similar spots on the course. Would love to see more of that if possible.
Ya this was what I was thinking watching last weekend. I watched Rick as well as Foreplay out at Sawgrass in the days before and felt like I knew the course hole by hole. Made the watching experience THAT much more enjoyable.
100 % Agree 👌
Absolutely agree; this made the weekend so much more fun after Rick’s round. Even if Nick wasn’t there to cheer us up haha
Spot on
Jason Day left TaylorMade not too long ago and started using a Ping G425 driver. He's made other changes to his bag and is being more successful. I think you will start seeing more golfers moving away from an entire bag full of sponsored clubs.
More successful than winning majors?
@@andymacduff2 I think the point is players need the ability to be adaptable to the changes in their game. Right now Rory is looking at what Callaway is doing with their drivers and probably wishing he was able to throw it in his bag and give it a shot. TaylorMade isn't doing anything to innovate their equipment besides the carbon face. Outside of that they have tweaked and added money bumps to their drivers and then do a GREAT job marketing the products. You could even argue the carbon face is not producing nearly the stats that titanium is still producing. Honestly if Titleist were to steal the head of TaylorMade's marketing department, then the TSR driver would be in every players hands and the carbon face driver would phase out quickly.
As I remember Jason Day had more success with TM
At his height he was getting paid something like 26 million a year by Taylormade/Adidas. Pretty sure if they were still paying him that he would play whatever they told him to.
@@chriscanzanese5063 I know I would. It's like liv golfers getting paid regardless. Your equipment sponsor pays 10 mil? Hell I almost wouldn't care where I finished.
I'd love to see Rory back with a full Titleist bag.
I think other than last year of course, his years with Titleist were when he was most dominant.
As soon as he moved to Nike it seemed like those clubs were not doing him any favors, he still had some good years but I always wondered if they would have been better if he was using different clubs. It seemed like maybe he was turning a corner last year with TaylorMade and maybe he still will this year. But we'll see.
I agree, I’d love to see him with titleist. He seems to have some struggles with his putter and and driver so hopefully he gets it fixed
He won 2 majors with Titleist and 2 with Nike clubs and Nike golf ball. He was more dominant of a player while he was using Nike equipment
@@nickjp2287 he did better with Nike but his swing and putting was lot better then it was now.
A Rick Shiels fitting with TXG for the new bag of clubs would be must watch RUclips.
Doubling down here, yes, seeing you play the TPC Sawgrass just a day before play started was an amazing way to experience the weeks golf! Do that more for sure!
Callaway have done this with the Rogue range, I found that the MAX D has improved my driving enormously.
This is what happens when a company pushes out releases every 6 months instead of taking their time and actually improving. Titleist FTW
Would like to see Rory come back to Titleist
Like coming home. .Also want the Jeremiah hat back as well 😅
Not gonna happen, they won’t pay him what he wants
Scotty's superpower is his composure, confidence, and consistency. Under pressure, he stays cool, and his swing stays hot!
I am liking Scheffler more and more. To me he is the golf equivalent like Pete Sampras was to tennis. Incredible talent, not a lot of flash, calm demeanor, very business like, but just goes out and wins while wowing you with clutch shotmaking.
He is the least wowing player ever. It’s like winning with mediocrity. Nothing flashy, just… wins… somehow
Also he does not put a lot of pressure on himself , he really goes out and feels like a 1st or 2nd or whatever place he finishes is all done calmly and routinley which deff shows he can keep this pace up and continue winning big golf tournaments.
I do not think a ton of guys can play like him in the situations he is in and share his same dimenor in doing so.
He is so grounded and simple that he might just become all time and legendary.
@@-TheDevilsAdvocate hard disagree, he chipped in many times holed long putts hits massive tee shots on the par 3s
@@-TheDevilsAdvocate That’s called making it look easy
So who does that make Jim McEnroe?
Tour Experience Golf had an interesting take on Rory's situation. Maybe he started tuning the driver too late. Scottie Scheffler apparently started working on it in December.
Watched the players for the first time live and loved it, where I normally just watch end of day highlights. 17 really adds something to the back 9
I’m a simple man, I see the Rick Shiels Golf Show drop, I click and watch like a good boy. Just in time for bed here in Melbourne too. 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
Legend
Just looked up Rory's stats from The Players, and you're right he gained +1.25 OTT, but was -1.54 SG Putting, and - 2.15 SG ARG. It seems like the stats say the driver was fine, just couldn't score around the green...
TXG also tested "rory's spec driver" and it was fine
Great discussion on clubs for tour players. I could not care less what clubs a tour player uses if they are sponsored. I would be very interested to see what top pros would play if there weren’t any sponsorships. Also great point Rick about designing clubs for most golfers. When I was junior I spent too much tine playing clubs I thought I should play instead of what would be good for my game and it definitely hurt my game
Bags would be completely different. Look at guys who have corporate deals
Mizuno
Taylormade do NOT built clubs for just for professional golfers. That is nonsense. All the golf Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM) build their clubheads based on the USGA/R&A specifications. The shaft and grips usually come from different companies. If buying directly from the OEM, they usually offer different shafts and grips so golfers can pick & choose what they thinks works best for them. And it is why it is highly recommended for all golfers to go to a fitting studio and get fitted for the clubs they wish to play.
The Stealth-2 Driver Head Rory uses is the same Driver Head available to ALL golfers. Sure, one can change the back-weight or sliding-weight, one can alter the Adapter Sleeve to affect lie angle and face angle, one can choose to play a different shaft... heavier/lighter, longer (up to 48") or shorter, softer flex or stiffer flex. They may even choose a different lofted Driver head, but it's all the same equipment the professional golfers use.
Rory uses the Ventus Black, (tipped at 1"), 60g X-Flex Shaft, made by Fujikura. I have literally found two identically tipped Fujikura Ventus Black X-Flex shaft with 2 different (Butt) frequencies. Things like that happens with golf equipment. Rory’s problems could be identified and rectified. They could start by checking the club’s MOI against his old driver.
Rick needs a in depth video about a full proper club fitting to find what he likes best. Blank slate on putter, try different shape. I'd watch that!
Putter fittings are so underrated! Rick needs a full bag fit with TXG... It'd be such a great series
Some good points about TM. TM are great at promotion though. No doubt the best in golf. I've have always wondered about how much revenue having a player on the books generates. Personally I've never chosen a pieces of equipment based on who uses it. Reviews by yourself, Sophie Walker or James Robinson for example have been far more influential. I bought my G425 from Trafford AG and recall the fitter telling me how often people have come in to try the Stealth and walk out with Ping or Callaway. So in many respects TM's shortcomings in designing a driver for the average man has driven sales for other manufactures. I agree. I agree TM save cash on tour players. Invest in demo days. Reduce the price point and design a club Pro's want to stick in their bags without paying them to do so. No better indorsemant than that is there?
Looks like there needs to be a Rick shiels/TXG full bag build series…..
I loved the M5. Played it for 3 years. Didn't see any reason to move to a SIM or SIM2...when the Stealth came out, I got fitted for a Stealth+...I hit it well and 20 yards farther than my M5...so I went with the Stealth+ last year. On the course, I found what Rick found. Inconsistency. When I hit it well, it was nice, but just a bit off and it could go anywhere. So this year I decided to try something. I got fitted for a Stealth2+ and a Paradym....took both home and tested them in my simulator. I found the Stealth2+ to hit the same speed/distance as the original Stealth+ and more controlled and consistent.....then I found the Paradym to be so much better. Much more consistent and easier to control and faster and farther than the TaylorMade. Even off hits go farther and straighter than most Stealth2 hits.
Watching the best golf podcast with some early morning breakfast is just class🔥
THANK YOU for raising the question of ‘how/why do they play with a big yardage book in the back pocket’ - I never understood that, I can’t believe they don’t find it uncomfortable/inhibiting!
Guy I’m so glad you said the yardage book thing… for me I play golf with nothing in my pockets at all I couldn’t imagine having that damn huge book in my back pocket haha
My game has been awful for weeks. Played off the forward tees yesterday, shot 15 lower. Confidence boost big time. Guys: put ego aside and try it!
Rick I’m a 25 handicap and picked up the stealth 2 plus 9 degree. Using a tensi x stiff 65 gram shaft. This has been the most forgiving driver I have used to date. Tried all the new ones this year and nothing. I replaced my rouge max Ls for the Taylor made. My miss hits still stay in play and go about 260 plus. So not sure why you a better player can’t hit this club
You're the only 25 handicap ive ever heard of that uses xstiff and carries driver 260🤯
you're a 25 hcp you don't know anything about forgiveness not being rude
SO HOW ARE YOU OFF 25 HITTING IT 260 WITH A MISS HIT??????????????????????/ THE EGO IS BEYOND REPROACH IN THIS GAME,,, YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK STUPID!
I think brands have forgotten the concept of making the best clubs which players want to use, versus paying players to use their clubs. I'd feel more confident buying a club or brand because it has genuine backing from players. One of the reasons I decided on zx7 irons over p770’s is because Brooks chose them when he was brand free.
What has that to do with your swing? I would never take a set of clubs because a tour pro uses them. Even when he is brand free. Simply because I can't swing a golfclub like a tourpro. In Brooks his case I hardly doubt that there wasn't a sponsor deal there because it was announced soon after. He did play Mizuno JPX 919 Tour brand free.
@@tomvankamperdijk4392 I think you misunderstood my comment Tom. I didn't pick the zx7’s just because Brooks used them. I was between the p770’s and zx7 and it was the fact that a tour pro “chose” them over the TM that swung my decision. Nothing to do with my swing. Both clubs are suited to my swing.
Rory would need some pretty stealthy lawyers to break his contract with Taylormade.
He may never fargive himself if he leaves.
I’m sure cooler heads will prevail and this will all SIMmer down.
I love to do food videos while smoking weed on my RUclips channel, to cure people’s boredom 💀
Would call them from a Burner phone.
He would never go rogue like that.
Sounds like Rick needs to visit the TXG boys for maybe the best collab in the golf multiverse and getting fit with new sticks!
Dude I’ve been wanting that for a while! That’d be awesome!
Scheffler is a win for the nice guys of the world. Well spoken, mature, clean cut, family man, proud of his faith.
Sometimes its fun when "bad boys" win (Tiger, Koepka, DJ) and we make jokes about them doing lines off a hooker's ass with their new trophy next to them on the hotel bed. But sometimes its refreshing seeing someone humble win. And the more he wins, the less people can say Scheffler isn't a great player.
DJ is not a bad boy...he never causes a fuss
Favorite podcast, I look forward to this every week with my morning coffee. Also you've helped me along the path to become a better golfer, and it's much appreciated.
TP Sawgrass was OUTSTANDING...have watched it 3 time Rick. As for the 12 hole at The Masters...yes it without question The Most Famous Hole in THE WORLD. The complexity of that hole, the history behind it, hence, being on of the signature holes of "Amen Corner".....say it all.
Loved seeing the course before the tournament. The camera shots and drone flyovers show the beauty better than the actual tournament.
If you're an up and coming golfer then a club deal makes so much sense. When, like Rory, you've made more money than you'll ever need why would you not want to play whatever clubs you liked? Like Rick said, he could employ the best fitter and have his own tour truck. There's more to these manufacturer contracts than meets the eye I think!
Good point,I agree completely...
The pga should become an international major. It’s insane that there isn’t a major played in Australia, Ireland or any of the other great golf courses around the world
12th at Augusta is the most iconic par 3, my opinion.
I used to play a lot of competitive local club tournaments. I stopped playing because of people cheating on the handicaps. At the time I was playing at a 7/8 handicap. I would play against folks that were 10/12 and they would shoot mid 70's and you could tell right off they were MUCH better than their handicap. It was frustrating. What I wish would happen is, for a tournament, folks would have to play to the handicaps established from tournament play.
It was a brilliant move for TaylorMade/Callaway to begin hiring influencers to help market their stuff. It feels like popular influencers such as Bob Does Sports could have the potential to move more product than a big name like Rory because they are more relatable as fellow high/mid handicappers (besides FP). If you see Joey Coldcuts cranking a bunch of great drives in a video, then he attributes them to his new Paradym driver, that could easily be more influential since most viewers are mid/high HCP. You can also hire them for pennies on the dollar compared to top tour pro's. We all expect someone like Rory to stripe the ball every time, even with hickory sticks. Most of us aren't delusional enough to think "if I buy that driver I'll hit like Rory", but seeing other high/mid HCP'ers hitting well with it could hold some real weight.
I'm convinced that these YT guys crank up the elevation and wind on their simulators because Rick never hits it on course like in the studio. 285 carry? Right. I also have caught these guys saying they're on the tips and then seeing 1-2 tee boxes behind them.
Rick is a nice guy but he's more of a 4 hcp and not a +2 as he claims. Same with Mr Short Game.
Also, the paradym fits to a more variety of golfers, low and high handicap. And delivers consistency on all aspects off the drive which is what Rory needs.
@@Handletaken4 he says at the start of his first break 75 he’s about a 3 or 4 handicap.
Please do a complete fitting process Rick! We’d absolutely love to see a complete bag overhaul, feels like you’ve just been using Ping which is fine but I’m interested to see what you’d pick now
Agreed... We need a TXG channel collab for him to get a mixed bag that smashes!
I started wearing 2 gloves over this winter just purely to keep hands warm but actually found I was much more consistent (probably as my grips aren’t great) and the right hand glove kept the club stable
Same mate ,Under Armour
@@billyfiz yeah black under armour ones I got, they’re great 😂
@Guy, the word you were looking for to describe getting an advantage in other sports is called gamesmanship. It’s absence in golf is one of the things that makes that sport truly unique and so enjoyable.
I missed this yesterday because I missed my normal workout time. But love the topics today! You both do a great service to us that aren’t able to stay up to date with everyone in golf! Keep up the great content.
The players playing LIV golf ….I don’t miss them at all on the real golf tour.
Nor do I.
I will say I’ve always found it impressive that Rick doesn’t change equipment more often. If I had brands giving me all their new gear all the time I’d probably switch clubs every time I had a bad round 😂
When Augusta gives someone permission to play their course they send out a piece of paper with your name on it telling you that you have been approved to play the course on a specific day. Rick said he got a piece of paper. Rick is going to play Augusta confirmed.
That would be awesome! And hopefully Jeff Knox will tag along as the special guest!
My immediate guess as well, and really what else could it be at this point? If true that will be spectacular and such an endorsement of Rick and his channel.
PGA are paying some live to Rick these days. No. of subs has a voice
Golfbidder challenge vs Pete at Augusta national
@@willallclasses8585 Speeding ticket came to mind
I'm amazed they don't just let the pros use whatever they want and paint them to look like the new model. This is common practice in professional tennis.
Great point, it’s similar in cricket. But I think since they are manufacturers of the club, having a competition paint over it would come with a plethora of legal issues.
rick .... for the amount of golf you play you need a top-to-bottom custom fitting experience. shafts, lofts, lie angle, everything made for Mr.Shiels. It does help
Brilliant conversation about the way clubs are manufactured and I agree that there needs to be a change. There are loads of good points in here. Though getting the average consumer to pick the right club would be MUCH more difficult. The TaylorMade Smasher 4-12 handicap would cover about the top 25% of players out there. But how many players are currently playing a shaft that is too fast for them? Lots. Getting the average player to admit where their game is and buy equipment for that game, I don't know how that would go over.
When you get your ego out of the way and just want to play better golf, you accept what the fitter tells you much more easily. I found I enjoy the game much more now that I listen to fitters and coaches more and less to my ego
Let's also not forget that Scottie uses the Pro-V1. Rors and Morikawa who both can't hit the Stealth 2 are playing TM balls. Even Eldrick is using a Bridgestone
The vast majority of golfers switch clubs once they leave a hardware contract. It’s amazing how soon they test prior to leaving that deal
Great show, love the dialogue, and how they let each other talk without interrupting
I'm 70 years old, average player, and play the red tees. I love it. No way I'm going to play tees where I need a three wood for an approach club into a par 4. I want a driver and mid to short iron, like the guys I see on TV. It's simply more fun and rewarding.
When I’m playing with friends, we give each other a club length if we are behind tree, etc. we are out there to enjoy the game and have fun.
Min Woo’s ball speeds with his 2 iron were regularly in the 170s….. I think I saw one at 176! Unreal 🤪
I tested the stealth 2 plus and I found it more forgiving than the g430. I think you need to test it for yourself. I was very surprised since so many people have bad reviews about it.
Regarding cheats in golf, I’ve seen so many ‘trophy hunters’ and handicap manipulators in the last 20 years. I was brought up to try to achieve the lowest handicap you can as a test of your game. Prizes at club competitions almost encourage people to manipulate handicaps so they can be serial prize winners
Well said. It has become that big handicap competitions are a complete joke IMHO. Given the pressure of a big event, and playing with strangers on a strange course it should be that amateur events are won with on-handicap or a little over. Not likely around here!
ALSO A SYSTEM WHICH ONLY COUNTS 8/20 ROUNDS HAS GIVEN FOLKS THE WRONG HANDICAPP... ABSOLUTE JOKE! I
Love the format chat. I recently played a Texas Scramble comp as my first one back since September. Great format to remove some pressure. So much so we won the comp by 5 shots with a gross 68, Nett 62 🤣🤣🤣
Great Podcast! I use a Crown Royal liquor bottle bag to store my "golf pants pocket things." Works great and it's very durable.
Same.. easy to replace too 👌
I agree with Rick, these major manufacturers are making clubs for pros and not the everyday golfer who has to fit in with what is offered, or play with ridiculous lumps of ugliness, thanks Rick ⭐️⭐️
Regarding the guy moving the ball from the tree base...in the USA, many courses have local rules regarding "tree wells" (a radius around the tree that is clearly cut) that specifically require a player take free relief from the area.
I’m all for a Build my Bag series for 2023 Rick. Would be awesome!!
Rick should go visit Ian from TXG and get a full fitting done and see what clubs are right for him. :)
The fact Rory ended TPC Sawgrass at +6 Rick scoring +6 is very good
I have been a taylormade guy for years. I bought a sim two years ago and I have struggled with it. I have since bought a Cobra Ltdx ls and I hit it so much straighter and it feels so much better than the sim that I will try cobra first from now on.
100% agree with Rick; cheats need to be called out at the moment. Waiting does nothing to improve the situation and may backfire when people think you're petty. There is a way to approach the cheat that isn't so accusatory. "Not sure if you know the lift, clean and place rules, but the ball needs to be placed within 6 inches of the spot it came and rest."
What a tease Rick. A brand name company making a driver for weekend warriors. That fit our handicap, swing speed and budget. Make it happen please!
Rick! I’ll tell you a putter combo that I guarantee would work for you!
Ping piper vault 2.0
Superstroke pistol GT 2.0
Stability tour shaft
Swing weight E2.7
I can guarantee it would never come out your bag. I’ve played this for several years and everyone I’ve recommended this set up to have never looked back.
Thanks for answering my question gents, love the content. And thanks for pronouncing my surname right Guy! You’d be surprised how often people say it wrong 😂
Rick needs to go see TXG and do a full bag fitting colab.
Rick NEEDS a full bag fit with TXG and the one and only Ian Frasier! Do a video series and finally help the RS team understand fittings... Especially for his putter
That would be classs
On the topic playing of playing off various tees, when you play off different tees, you have to have different shots in the bag. Regardless of the tees you play off of the score is determined by proximity to the flag and short game, thus it is not purely distance.
I like playing with 2 rain gloves all year round, feel it gives me a better grip.
In regards to the equipment manufacturers putting their R&D into the average player and fine tuning the line for a pro with the "TP" Line, isn't this what Callaway is doing ? They have the ST Rogue line for the Masses and offer a PRO version in irons and triple diamond in woods. For the Apex they market the Apex standard strong and offer the Apex Pro line for the low handicapper and Tour Player. I also see something similar from Mizuno. Is this what you were thinking?
I completely agree with the point raised around cheats and this is why I have no interest in playing competition golf with people blagging handicaps just to get better scores and chances to win
Time to go steal Rick's clubs so he can get new ones! :) He's for sure playing at Augusta.
Disagree with you Rick .. the 12th at Augusta edges out the 17th at Sawgrass as the "most famous Par 3 in golf" but just barely. Both are amazing holes and can make or break a round, but I feel like the 17th is a bit more "gimmicky" vs. the pureness of 12 at Augusta. Would love to play either! (my other favorite is the 6th at Riviera).
You should do a full bag fit with txg as a series. Would be epic!!!
We need this!! So good
Im playing the SIM Max, and still love it. I’ve hit Taylormade since I was in grade school in the late 80’s. I’ve hit others, but I always go back to TM. I feel like it’s individuals vs. the brand. I feel like if a player plays for a brand, they should be able to use whichever club they wanted from that brand. Did I look at my SIM because of who was hitting it, sure, but I was also due a new driver and that’s what I felt suited me the best for my swing and my game. No hate either way, just my thoughts.
With what you said about having a “regular” and a TP, I feel like Taylormade used to do that. They used to have TP drivers, they still call some of their putters TP (not sure they are). But yes, why not get back to that?
The news has to be another trip across the pond to do a Break 75 at Augusta to be released the Wednesday before The Masters.
I have heard of quite a few guys showing up to a club fitting with a Taylormade Stealth in mind for a driver and many walking away with a Ping. ;)
On a similar thought, having 10 Majors across the planet that includes players from differing Tours (LIV included) would bring a new interest, and at the end of the year you have a 10 player final that determines player of the year?
35:05 is the best idea i've heard recently to help sales
Rick! It's funny I have always used a 4-wood as my 260-265 club. I love my Titleist 980F. Geessss it must be 12-15 years old...
3:00 The tee times for golf are definitely a good point. I'm from Europe, but live in the US now and got into golf about 4yrs ago, but watching on TV only for about a year. Every single weekend I end up wanting to watch, but always spend time working in the yard or playing baseball or golf myself.
To "sacrifice" an afternoon on a nice day watching sucks, but it would be awesome to get an even to watch at like 6-10pm on a Sunday night!
It wouldn't be so bad if they would stream in a way that wasn't subscription required. I watched more LIV than PGA last year because of how it was broadcast...FREE and easy. For PGA, I would watch on Thur-Fri while working (just a window on the computer), and then on my phone or tablet while golfing...but that isn't an option unless you want to get a subscription service. No thanks.
Hey guys. The most famous par3....or most incredible par 3 is the Extreme 19th at Legend Golf and Safari resort in South Africa.
Some of the "direct to consumer" brands openly say that they can sell their products cheaper because they don't pay a fortune sponsoring tour pros. Inesis have a page on their site explaining exactly this, and what they spend their money on. There's definitely an opportunity for a big manufacturer to get ahead and drop their tour pros in favour of the club golfer.
Totally agree….they’d make a lot more sales if clubs were made for the average golfer with lower price point….thx guys….the normal golfer just wants clubs that feel like they are working
I did go for a Stealth 2 fitting last week. Loved how it felt and it did consistently outperform my current driver by 6 yards. But in the end, I felt laying out $600 for 6 yards wasn't worth the investment for me.
45:46 to the guy asking about what clubs … the p790s shaved off at least 3 stroke of my game, I went from an 11 to an 8 handicap within a year, granted I was playing with 15 year old clubs before but new clubs do help
Another Barry Belter guys 💪🏼
Rory would be able to get hold of plenty of original brand new Stealth heads. He's probably got stock in his garage! It's clear he is being told to use the latest and not so greatest.
I feel like Rory’s issue is like most long hitters that swing their driver almost 130mph if not faster. A number of videos have come out about the stealth 2 seeing if anything is wrong but no one in those videos swing it as fast or the same way as Rory consistently. Stealth 2 may just be a bad driver for him
Great comments from co-host about Rory. He rips LIV players for "taking the money" but he has no issues taking money from TaylorMade then being upset they won't adjust the rules for him. Used to be a Rory fan but after watching him on Full Swing, I found him as arrogant and entitled
The average sunday golfer and the local public course does not get nor expect a caddie. They are not available. Only at the Higher End Courses are caddies available.
Love the podcast guys. Always nice to see Rick Shiels guest star on The Guy Charnock Golf Show.
Jokes aside, Guy kills it running these as always.
Think Rick needs to get a full back of Wilson Clubs, he always says how good they are and thst their Irons were the best he ever used, and with the new Dynapower driver being his highest recommendation it will make for a very good package.
The Opens are the pinnacle but the British is my favorite tournament to watch, probably because there is not much links here in the states for me to play like the courses there. My bucket list golf trip in Scotland is being built off of Rick's break 75 series.
I would not change my bag. I am a 24 handicapper. Fair weather golfer who ÀBSOLUTLEY loves golf. My bag was made during covid and a love it. A total mish mash. I would love to play Guy/Rick. I have 7 Woods, 9 Woods, mazels, Tank Chipper it's an amazing bag that suites my game!!!
Please come to pursell farms in Alabama before you go to Agusta! That is where good good spent a bunch of time! There is also ross bridge which from the tips is 8200 yards so you could do a break 85 there!