PRORES HQ on iPhone 13 Pro - Crazy Video Quality OR Just Huge Data?
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Whos using Prores on your iPhone?? Crazy to think I'm even asking that question 😂 Prores.... on a phone....
Matti please do a camera comparing Between 11 pro max and 13 pro max. Any difference?
Please do it.
we want content that is not just gear related. we want films, vlogs, whatever... just some people want other than gear reviews (not that their not good, just variety is good too :)
Honestly neither look that great, they both look like a cell phone, and I couldn't see any real difference between the two! That being said, for being a cell phone, it is nice to see how far we've come and you could get away with a lot of vlogging etc with it! I'm still on the Samsung S20 Ultra and the 8k 24 is amazing so I may be a little biased.
Hey Matti can you please tell us what is that handle you are using with the phone?
Matti good job 👍. Love from Nigeria Africa
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idk but seems less grainy with prores in my opinion
Real talk, I didn’t see any difference until Matti zoomed in.
I definitely saw a difference from the start. Maybe I just know where to look? It was very noticeable for me though.
I think it's the export format Matti used. I've seen other videos where the difference is WAY noticeble
@H M Relax bro it still just looks like phone footage. Codecs can’t overcome the limitation of small sensors
First of all FANTASTIC video as usual Matti. As someone who has now made a lot of videos on ProRes during the beta process I see sooooo many people not understanding what it actually is. So many comments about how the dynamic range is the same, colors the same etc. ProRes is not some new color science or a new version of HDR. It simply is a codec that films in much higher bitrates so that thinks look sharper, cleaner and as you pointed out more natural especially in high moving shots (like ur low angle example of feet walking) ProRes helps not have such ugly compression artifacts. ProRes also is known for handling noise much better which in my testing is sometimes yes and no. So for anyone reading this rant, ProRes is NOT intended to change color tones, dynamic range or look completely different than non ProRes footage. It simply saves much more detail that the amazing iPhone can capture instead of compressing it down as much. Hope that helps someone. Huge fan Matti, always a joy to watch your videos.
Yeah, I hate the file sizes ProRes creates, but it's a breeze to edit in vs Compressed HEVC Video. That being said, I only have a 128gb 13 Pro, so ProRes is a no go
Since you know so much about ProRes. Is there a noticeable difference between 1080 and 4K when you’re filming in ProRes? I’m not a content creator or anything, so I don’t really need highest quality, but I just wondered if there’s a noticeable difference. Thank you
@@BeatsWithKev wait until you hear about MotionCam RAW DNG SEQUENCE file Size.
ProRes quality is not really apparent UNTIL you start pushing the colour around with heavy grading.
H264 and H265 will start to show stepping when you really stretch the grade.
High Texture shots of rushing water and a field of wheat or trees show how the compression of H254/5 fall apart as well.
That why ProRes is the acquisition codec for professionals. A simple out-of-the-can comparison is an incomplete analysis.
Also where ProRes shines is in the edit as its significantly faster to edit with across all systems.
This was a rushed examination of ProRes and did not give a meaningful review of what it's capable of giving a professional.
The ability to scout a shoot with this phone and possibly staying with the initial shot from the phone because the conditions were ideal.
Makes it usable because we now have the headroom to grade so it looks close to the cinema camera enough that you can't tell it's B-Roll from an iPhone.
Shoot one hour of ProRes 422 HQ and see how long it takes to move over to your Mac.
You need two, one to shoot with while the other is moving files over on set. So your not standing around twiddling your thumbs waiting to shoot more.
I agree with everything you said about this video.
I disagree with this being “close enough” to a cinema camera look. The iPhone sensor is tiny, and it looks completely different than a larger sensor on a cinema camera.
@@vistasuprema I disagree a short cut could be hidden easily in the mix. As I said close to a cinema camera not as good as though. 10bit colour can be matched better between different gear. 10bit 422 has 1.075 Billions colours vs only 16 million colours in (8bit’s) tiny little gamut.
That is the theory, but does that really work in practice with the iPhone? - @limelight care to make a video demonstrating this in practice? :P
@@DigiDriftZone you can’t fake shallow depth of field. I don’t care how good the software is. If you’re shooting at t2 and toss an iPhone shot in the mix, it’s going to stand out.
@@DigiDriftZone working on it got my iPhone 13 Pro Max yesterday finally.
I tried ProRes on iPhone 13 Pro in 1080p. I saw a big difference. A still from 1080p ProRes footage looked almost like a regular photo.
‚Big difference‘ 😂
Yeah this is something that the average user, or even those with a trained eye will not be able to tell the difference. Until they zoom in, or start messing with color correction, and then the difference becomes apparent. It really is specifically a PRO feature, it does not and should not matter to people who are just shooting home videos or something. Video editors will appreciate it though.
ProRes is good, BUT ProRes HQ? On a smartphone? On a painfully SLOW Lightning connection!?
That's just transfer time nightmare waiting to happen.
Airdrop is really fast these days
Thanks Matti, I wasn’t aware the update was here. Assuming I won’t use it much at 256g internal storage but still a cool option.
Bro I’ve learned so much from you in the past few months!! I just want to say thank you!! 🙏🏾Keep doin ya thing!!
@H M ??
@@KyleSharpton this dude is a psychopath, ignore him.
Interesting! Thank you for sharing it. ✌️
Do a video with high demand for both temporal and spatial resolution. Something like flowing whitewater or an old school tv static screen would seriously showcase the extra bitrate required to capture all the raw detail involved.
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Thank you, looks like with PRORES HQ quality is better.
I give zero shits about video on an iPhone...but I will always watch your videos just for the storytelling inspiration. Those subtle unboxing shoutouts while still doing the video was so good. Thanks for the continued lessons on how to improve.
I use ProRes to film in iPhones 13 pro max , HDR 4k 30 FPS , the results were huge and I love it , especially after working on original ProRes video and exporting it , it seems it’s keeping the quality better than normal native HEVC
what's your iPhone's capacity storage?
@@roodbari 1 TB
@@roodbari 101 ProRes videos in my photo library use about 700 GB of storage
@@faizf wow 🤩 great , I've 256
@@roodbari after I edit that ProRes videos i will delete it or copy it in external memory , after every project delete the original file , here’s you can use ProRes videos in better way , thanks 🙏
I nearly can't see any difference in RUclips. Probably you can see more detail in your computer. It doesn't to me to use a 20x data codec for so little improvement. Thanks for sharing!
Some info on time to transfer ProRes to computer or external ssd would be helpful. Just how long does it take to transfer 20 minutes of ProRes using lightning connection?
Dang looks so good. There is no excuse for wannabe filmmakers to start
There’s definitely a noticeable jump in quality when it comes to aliasing. The footage really breaks on the non pro res when you’re moving fast and panning around trees. The leaves get all mushy and artifacty. Prores doesn’t.
Very interested in this!
Fantastic video as always. I don’t see a striking difference…
thanks for sharing bro
I have used it, but, not sure I see the use for it right now.
Now that we have universal control we can transfer high gigabit videos to our macs. I do this from my phone to my iPad to my MacBook seamlessly. It’s a nice touch to give my phone a capability I just can’t have anywhere else yet
Its crazy ! and so good ❤️❤️❤️
typical question... how to send pro res videos to windows pc .... no itunes... just usb connection only can see internal storage , if dont want use icloud , just usb drag and drop a video to windows? any trick to move videos to the internal storage folders ? or its just icloud or .......
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So.. I’m good on just regular camera stuff and using Filmic ?
Hi, do you have a link to the device you have your iPhone mounted to?
Curious about the comparison with the Sony Xperia Pro 1 especially since they are supposed to have an update coming out after the release as well.
I can see the subtle difference, but I don't see it as significant enough for the data hogging!
Got my iphone 13 pro max last week but haven‘t tried all the features :) next week i am in sri lanka for a travel video and i am defenetly mixing in some iphone footage😉
Sri Lanka is bankrupt
Honestly I feel like phones don't have enough dynamic range and sensor size yet to take advantage of 10bit 422 hence I see no difference. Cool step in technology though.
I mean, it looks slightly more saturated and maybe a very small amount of improvement in dynamic range? However, the footage still looks way over sharpened, which makes it all look bad anyways.
Please guide whether iPhone 13 will be enough for travel reels (instagram) and decent pictures? Or an investment worth 13 pro will do (only for that purpose) no professional youtube videos and all. Waiting for your reply.
That's a professional youtuber right there didn't even bother to ask for subscribing and liking .
What people forget is more FPS =/= better on cameras as it does on games, for example. In the case where you chose a lower camera FPS, it actually let's more light in due to the shutter being open longer, go figure, but the thing most people forget is that a lot of movies and content they consumer, is actually sub 30fps and has a certain influence on the feel and tone of a movie. Things can be perceived as unnaturally smooth with higher fps and is obviously good for slow mo, but, conversley, some may perceive lower fps as a tad choppy when compared. It's both subjective and entirely dependent on what you are going for based on what you need it for. A 30 fps disparoty really isn't that big of a deal- and 60 certainly isn't enough to pull off decent post process slow mo.
@Nathaniel Walker the whole point was that a high frame rate isn't the same as gaming, but people believe a higher frame rate is better because of gaming sensibilities which obviously are different. Yes, there are scenarios mentioned where you might want a higher fps for obvious reasons, but it isn't necessary in every application besides those aformentioned. I'd understand for sport/ motion related content where you want a clearer picture, or slow mo possibilities in post production, but the majorty of movies are sub 30fps and nowhere near 60 since that would look way too smooth to some causing a soap opera effect and artificial, not to mention the less fps the longer light has to hit the sensor, meaning more light is subsequently captured and the byproduct being a more cinematic looking scene.
Hey google says with 256gb you can record 4k 60 prores . Mattii did you only have 126gb?
on minute 5:12 to the end what camere ur using please ?
Without external storage of some sort prores is very hard to use. If they ever put thunderbolt on iphone that would change things.
What is the tripod and iPhone holder you have on your video? I don't see that links on your description. thx.
You’re freakin’ awesome!!! Thank you for inspiring me!
@H M go away
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It’s soo hard to find time to watch these awesome videos. Never join a uni man😂
is it true that you can activate proRes in iphone 13 128 gb or dou you need a bigger memory? i found that somewhere
You shouldn’t notice no difference at all… prores is just for editing. Results can be noticed after editing color, compressed formats can’t handle well the edition
Even in my old 27 inch iMac it could be barely understood . even the smallest difference was there was in the grasses and a little bit in the colour of the road
Great🔥🔥
Hey Matti really working on the 1 min vlog video for mattifilmfestival in i hope i finish shooting it tomorrow. Well you were right talking to a camera is very weird 🤣😂
is the new prores on the iphone pro res in the native app have they done the update so you can do what you mentioned different proress?
also what GB on the phone would you get 256gb or 512 or do u really need the 1tb for good photo and video pro res
how much is 2 hours of filming take?
thanks
Why is no one mentioning that Pro Res 4K at 30FPS is only available on the 256GB and higher models, the 128gb models are clocked at 1080p 30FPS, think its an important thing to mention? Or am I missing something, below is a direct copy paste from apples spec sheet, a little more clarity would be super helpful on this.
"ProRes video recording up to 4K at 30 fps (1080p at 30 fps for 128GB storage)"
Just use Blackmagic camera
Sweet dreams or a beautiful nightmare. That beat reminds me of that song. Idk why.
Great video, thanks. What did you shoot the footage of you talking at your desk with (what camera and what settings)? Also, can I send an insulin pump to your address (because you're going to need it if you eat all that candy)?
How does prores 1080p vs normal codec 4k compare?
I I couldn't find Prores option in my iPhone 13 Pro Max LLA USA version 🤔
I’d love to see your take on the Sony Xperia Pro-I compared to the iPhone 13
@H M Pump the hate brakes fox and friends! Nothing wrong with Sony. Nothing wrong with any brand if it gets the job done well.
iPhone 13 Prores Color Grading Tutorial? Please 🙏🏼
Nice vid 👍 @Matti Haapoja: what grip you’re using? Can’t find it in the text bellow the video.
Prores looked better but not THAT much better... definitely not worth the file size at all IMO! Awesome comparison dudes!
@H M For sure.... 😳
@H M Is this factual information?
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Just bought my 13Pro 256 And figured pur Thai ProRes eats a Ton of data.
Thought i have to return my 256 to get an 512 one.
After your video i cant really see any differences for me.
So i Save that extra money and keep my 256
WHATS THE GIMBAL YOU USED?
I can see the difference, it is sharper at a glance and puncher
Sir is prores feature is working in 13 pro 128 gb varrient
Look at the 0:40 and 0:35 marks. Obviously from the same footage, yet ProRes is on the left in the earlier frame, on the right in the later frame. How are we supposed to make judgements when we can't count on frames being accurately identified?
Significant differences are negligible at best, the average people would not be able to tell.
There is no difference if you have to super super focus to see it :D
I'm watching it on my 4k monitor, and honestly non pro-res looks clearer since it's 4k
Yep..same here seeing it with 4k with my tablet...
which glasses is he using?
Does the end user notice the difference ?
If not go for a best on storage
I would notice
Thanks Matti, on my phone I couldn't see the extra detail, I could notice slight increase in red saturation, kinda reminded me of the older canon look, which I was less of a fan of actually.
I think it will be great if you have to film a film on your phone, but for vlogging, you would probably not need it switched on. Still a nice feature to see and cant wait to see samsung and sony responses to this.
Lol
I am currently using Filmic Pro.
Nothing is different from prores
First I thought the prores is the non prores one because i zoomed my phone when i watching this video didn’t noticed😝
Supports on 128gb?
Let’s be real though. At the end of the day, if your main (or only) camera is your iPhone, it really isn’t worth the upgrade. My entire channel uses the 12 Pro Max as a main camera and it cost me $1200 USD. To switch over to the 13 Pro Max for the sole purpose of ProRes, that would cost me $1600USD since I would be forced to get the 1TB version because of file size. I would get a $800 credit for the upgrade so ultimately … this ProRes upgrade would cost $2,000! That’s slightly cheaper than a Canon R5 body that would be a complete game changer.
ProRes just matters if you have the correct equipment to view it. Specially if the color subsampling is yuv422 and 10-bit color. Most screens just support until 8-bit and it also matters what kind of panel do you have. Also, you won't see any difference here on RUclips because all of the videos here are encoded as VP9 codec (some H264 especially lower quality) and the important informations of the video are now gone. Even if you upload a 10GB video here, RUclips will just compress it to just 500MB so what's the sense? You can never compare the two until you try it yourself with the correct equipment.
You're right 👍
I don't think any sane person wants to use prores as a delivery codec, it's similar to editing on RAW, you're not going to send anyone raw photos. This is giving you an immense amount of information to color, and mask.
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I didn’t think anyone in the world actually ATE BLACK LICORICE!??? Until now? 😩😂
dona video about cinematic mode
Genuinely surprised someone in your profession missed the point with prores.
I can definitely see the difference when it's in 4k
You totally set yourself up to say “we Finnished all the candy“ at the end there.
Dat Arc’teryx Cerium jacket tho
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Pro res 1080 vs 4K standard. Which is better? Pro res 4K is not supported on my phone only 1080.
Like if I am on a location or trek what should I use pro res 1080 or standard 4k
Dont drink redbull - thanks for sharing your thoughts on prores
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6:35 hah i like that it's written in Danish on that chocolate bar "Tyrkisk Peber"... translating as Turkish Peppers. Looks yummy!
The ProRes codec also looks cool :P
Yes you’re right, if you are a video conscious, you will definitely see the difference
Is it me or does the prores also look smoother...
Holy smokes, you folks are in Newmarket, haha.
_I don’t think you guys understand prores; it’s for editing purposes, in ProRes All of the colors, contrast, shadows details, etc. are all unlocked or uncompressed, when editing any color in a video recorded under ProRes you are actually editing the tone of that color, instead of adjusting its volume, such as what most people do when editing a finalized video [H.265]._
_ProRes is like recording a video in log with color/contrast correction LUT. All that’s needed when editing is to soften the video and add a color grated LUT. Also, Perez is easier to work with when editing large files on an 4gig Ram and low performance multitasking, CPU_
I’m still not sure the ProRes is worth all that data 🤔
Filmic pro is king👑
It looks almost exactly the same.
On RUclips. With the actual files on your computer you can see the difference. If all you do is upload to RUclips/social then it’s pointless (I used it for an event video and in the end it didn’t matter)
@H M you’ve left this comment several times. Where’s your proof of this?
@@bobstewart2196 yeah that definitely makes sense.
This is as useful as those videos comparing a phone to a cinema camera right out of the box, you're barely going to see the difference out of the camera similar to taking a jpeg photo to a raw.
Really wish you could return externally to an SD card!
Idk if it's just youtube's processing but I didn't see any difference. Then again, I'm on a 1440p monitor so I'm not watching in 4K.
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For general use it really doesn't seem like it makes a difference. In reality the only person who is really going to notice is the creator -- if the content is good the audience won't know or care if it was shot in prores or not
That Tyrkisk Peber is just so good Chocolate Haha 😂Greetings from Estonia! Who cares about IP Prores when you have Fazer