iPhone 13 ProRes Video - Explained!
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2021
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It’s here. It’s time. Apple ProRes is hitting the iPhone 13 Pro and Pro Max right now! 422 HQ to be exact. 6 gigabytes be minute to be even more exact. But what does that even mean and how would you even use it?
Alex Linsday joins me - The man who knows as much about ProRes as anyone outside Apple, and who you may know from ILM and Queen Amidala’s ship, or streaming pretty much every major event in big tech - to talk all about it!
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I worked for the first HD video production company in the US back in 91/92. At the time, a single 3-tube camera and 1” open reel recorder cost well over $500k (in 91 dollars). What is most astonishing to me is that I am now able to acquire a higher quality image in such a tiny form factor for a fraction of the cost, without requiring an engineer (or three).
What a great interview. It’s wonderful to hear someone explain the real world use cases for this feature, and for the iPhone as a camera in general, and why it matters in such a detailed manner.
This is an excellent explanation of ProRes!
I think Apple is really missing an opportunity to create the BEST set up. Imagine your phone on a MagSafe tripod with a thunderbolt cable connected to your MacBook Pro... it's like a mini studio in a back pack. Set up 3 phones for different angles and you can do interviews, etc.
Wow
You should patent this
SPOT On !
iPhone 15 Pro will make this happen
Well, look at them now...
Having ProRes nearly always available for the unexpected is wonderful. So great to listen in on this conversation between two experts! Thank you, Alex and Rene!
Thanks Jeff! Have you given it a whirl yet?
@@ReneRitchie I have and like you mentioned elsewhere, editing ProRes on the M1 Max MacBooks Pro is like editing a 720P video :-) No beach balls!
Love your style and the way you deep dive into technical subjects Rene. Awesome stuff!
Yeah, it is a really good workflow they’ve setup… until you’re ready to transfer from iPhone to Mac, haha. Everything feels lightning fast… but the lightning port itself.
Question: Does a M1 handle ProRes 422 HQ well? Or do you have to use a M1X to be able to work with it?
10:30-11:16 Rene, this discussion about the lack of Thunderbolt support is important. At what point does Apple finally address this? While having ProRes on an iPhone is awesome, the throughput limitation for transferring data is maddening. What’s the point of having a Ferrari if you can only drive it on local roads at 20mph/kph? When will Apple finally address this?
Really shows how stubborn apple is, like thus give USB-C man fucking idiots
My guess is we'll get something like the ultra-high speed wireless transfer they're testing with the new Apple Watch service function?
@@ReneRitchie What is the theoretical maximum throughput they can achieve with 60.5GHz wireless transfer? Not that I'm thinking about the time when we come to a point that we can max that out from today but it'd be good to know if we at least have headroom till Thunderbolt 5 (80Gbps)
Meanwhile here i’m with my iphone 13 pro max (256gb) and it really is embarrasing this lightning port, this was my first iphone ever also (i moved from long time android usage), but this fcking slow lightning port is absolutely one of the worst of iphones negative sides, and this came with usb-c to lightning port cable, like wtf, it doesn’t even make sense, only made things harder, that I can’t charge this phone on anywhere else than on my single macbook 61wat charger (which has usb-c port) atm, I have to still go and buy like usb-A to lightning port to be able to charge on my car etc ffs…
@@ReneRitchie that sounds promising
Thx for uploading this Rene! Learned a lot 👍🏼
Thanks for watching!
This was a great video! I have a much better appreciation of the ProRes video format and practical use cases for it on an iPhone. Thank you!
Thank you for bringing a real expert in the matter. Very cool Rene
What a high quality video Rene, bring more specialists to your Chanel
Alex’s sound quality is insanely good! What’s his setup?! Gotta havit, now!
I really learned a lot from this video! Thank you very much!
It's so nice hearing Alex Lindsay speak without someone constantly interrupting him for a change.
That’s my favorite part of MacBreak weekly hahaha
@@TonyisToking Hey, I didn't name names. 😄
My thoughts exactly… he finally got to speak complete sentences.
Wunderful video! Thanks Rene
OMG it’s Alex!!! Didn’t see that coming. Great video you guys!
Who else could I have gotten for this, right?
Yo Rene, can you try parallels with the baseline M1 Pro. I need to know if 16 gigs is enough RAM to run Visual Studio
Rene, is that pro res video you showed side by side starting around the 5:04 mark of the video more choppy than the HEVC video? Why does that happen? I understand the footage is much larger and more difficult to save to storage, but I didn't think it might affect the stability of the video. Or maybe it's just a placebo and they're both the same?
I enjoyed your interview with Alex Linsday: great information. Blessings on your day.
You too, Jeff!
Amazing conversation! Top level! Great insights! Thanks 🙏
what an amazing interview!
How was this recorded? Audio and video is top notch !
Very informative, more videos like this please.
Nice. Can’t wait to try it out this weekend!
Great video, thanks!
Hi Rene. Now that you have and HDR camera that can shoot prores and HDR capable MacBook Pro maybe you can make your videos in HDR?
Alex is great at explaining the system.
Transferring files into and out of iphone and iPad is the most frustrating thing. So slow, complicated, and buggy. The only way I see fit is wirelessly between cloud services & online transfers but it's horrible and unreliable.
If anyome has tips over the best ways to transfer large photo and video files please let me know.
For his tip on using Prores Hq for 10 bit does the same apply on other cameras between all-i and long-op?
Great technical understandable explanation
Alex is low key genius!
Now I understand why someone might actually want a phone with 1 TB of storage.
What a great informative and educational video! My first thought- “Should’ve got the 1TB version!”. My follow up thought- “I’m not waiting to airdrop that file every time I shoot something”.
Ha! Took me about 3 minutes to AirDrop a 1 minute ProRes 422 HQ video
It just took 7:48 to airdrop a 4K 30 ProRes file from my iPhone 13 Pro to my 2017 iMac Pro @@ReneRitchie - maybe that time will decrease when the M1 Max gets delivered next month
I’m getting the 13 Pro in 2-3 weeks. I would love to try this feature for video production.
Let me know how it goes!
@@ReneRitchie please don’t quote me on your video streams or use my username if you talk about this, but I have a theory that the Apple “starlight” color may be a new way to pay homage to the classic beige computer colors that used to dominate the industry back in the day. Personally, I am big fan of the beige colors of the phones and watches and would absolutely love to see this color available for all of their products, not as a replacement to silver or space gray, but as a new addition to the lineup. Sorry for being a bit off topic, but seemed like as good of a time as any
How is the speed when exported with iCloud?
Can you record ProRes on the dev beta yet?
This makes ProRes available for students and makes it more convenient. Hope there's a 13 way back when i was still a student. 🙏
They need to update the Lightning connector to support USB 3. If I’m not mistaken, the 2017 iPad Pro supports USB 3 through its lightning connector. Why can’t an iPhone support it 5 years later?
ProRes is probably enough to get people to upgrade to the 256gb model, alone.
Think that's enough space?
@@ReneRitchie No but I don't have enough arms and legs to afford any higher storage tiers 🤣
@babyhammurabi on my 512gb I can record about 85min of 4K ProRes422 HQ in filmic pro. Dropping down to 422 and 422LT that number goes up to about 120mins and 150mins respectively. That’s a decent amount of storage space for one or two shoots, depending on the kind of work you’re doing.
Great interview! what microphone was Alex using? The sound is super clear!
What’s the best way to transfer the large video files from the iphone to a computer, using the lightning cable and finder? Will apple release a pro iphone with an SD card?
Looks like an ElectroVoice RE20, a very standard broadcasting mic used in radio stations for decades. Sounds like he’s also feeding it through a touch of EQ and some compression.
Will we be able to capture clear videos of ufo’s finally?
What’s good is ProRes if it would take you 1 hour to transfer a 5 minute clip over that USB 2 lighting cable?How Apple could release a ‘Pro’ phone with a 10 year old connectivity?
Just use internet bruh
@@nsbrandhouse9443 The Internet to copy 100Gb file to the cloud and then back to PC? My upload is not much better then USB 2.0 speeds and most people have very limited upload speeds on cable internet.
Love ProRes on my iPhone 13 Pro 512GB with Filmic Pro and Zhiyun Smooth 4 gimbal. But I loathe, loathe getting the content off the iPhone and onto my 14” MacBook Pro M1 Max. Decided to add Atomos Ninja V to my Panasonic LUMIX GH5 for ProRes and iPhone as a b-roll camera.
Drag and drop ProRes with iMazing. . .
This is a great primer on current codecs, well done!
All Alex!
Very well done
I was lured by the z flip3 but the poor battery made me order a 13 pro and thamkfully the 512gb model. Now apple needs to ditch the lightenIng connector
Thanks for this take 🙌🏽 didn’t knew what the heck prores is 😅
So if I film home tours, should I get the pro for this feature or no? I'd post it on Instagram afterwards.
Fassssssscinating conversation about data and codecs.
Brilliant thanks 👍
Just got my new iPhone 13pro on Monday and honestly, might start trying out ProRes and happy cause the video and photos it takes feel far better than an on my old iPhone 11
And plus more memory!
Great video! Very informative. Thanks. And, was that your daughter in the video with the sunlight behind her? What a beautiful girl. You must be so proud!
Alex Lindsay MUCH RESPECT :)
Awesome thank you
Yes there is no audio jack. Great while stuck with lightning to audio converter to capture audio.
Wait..not great at all.
i have the iPhone 13 pro but prolly will never use prores i wish it had USB-C over that
The bottle neck is lightning 🤣
Can anyone see apple releasing a cinema camera like DJI have? Or maybe a red style body camera.
this is a great free class. can anyone reffer me to a video for beginer's editing proress please
I learned a lot
I wish they could do the same to the iPhone as they did to the new MacBook Pro… (put type c)
They really need a way to get it off the phone with better than USB 2.0 speeds next round though.
Seems like it’s more likely that Apple will remove wired connections entirely on their phones than put in a Thunderbolt connection. Also, the iPhone 13 has Wi-Fi 6 which should be around twice as fast as the USB-2 based lightning. I don’t have any hard numbers, but maybe 700 Mbps to maybe 400 Mbps seems about right.
Wow this would be the Perfect Videos with you both together very nice Collaborations with videos reviewing IPhone 13 Pro very nice Cameras and anything this would be the Amazing Phone ever I’m really happy and enjoying watching all your videos Rene I’m very Fan’s of Apple Products I really hope to buy that Someday Good Evening from Philippines I’m so much enjoying watching your videos Rene I’m so excited what would be your next videos again I can’t wait to see that next 😊😱💯
It's all well and good but where does a consumer-level user store all this stuff? I'm already at 4TB or family pics and vids. Apple don't offer anywhere near enough in their iCloud packages and who's interested in spending thousands on NAD back ups?
I’m curious, I wouldn’t call my self a creator. So where would you store this massive file? Do you take it off iCloud? Because I don’t see apple making more storage available. Lol
Transfer to Mac and edit in Final Cut :)
The dude on the left’s video is way crisper than Rene’s. Makes sense he’s the video production guy.
He’s in a 12K camera!
I cannot wait to upgrade my iPhone XS Max!
Does the iPhone 12 Pro Max get ProRes as well?
No
M2 hardware acceleration of prores is beast
now we have ProRes 4K60 recording to a usb ssd!
_I was really waiting for the conversation about where all of this started, Zack Snyder short film on RUclips recorded with the iPhone 7 Plus_
Creating huge files on an iPhone needs a faster port to get the files off the phone.
As you said in the video, this is really pointless if everyone continues to use RUclips as their primary output. Does it help in post? Yes, but only if you have a lot of post to do.
Imagine putting the iPhone pro max camera into an M1 iPad pro but in an iPad mini body. How much more can proffessional and amateur can do with that.
I an viewing this on my M1 iPad Pro - so pro res comes through fine.
I thought i was the lonely one watching tech news this early 😅
It’s 4:20pm here, so it isn’t that early.
Ha, how early is it for you?
@@ReneRitchie did you just get spammed by your own impersonator?
I guess 😂
Is there a reason that Apple doesn’t just add thunderbolt support to lightning now that intel has opened the spec up?
Lightning royalty money💰💰🤑
@@vijeykumar7429 that doesn’t explain anything. They could keep lighting and the royalties and use the thunderbolt 3 spec like usb 4 does
Fitting Thunderbolt into a phone might be a tad much (needs controllers, PCIe lanes, etc). But not putting way faster speeds into Lightning or USB-C is frustrating now that we have ProRes
@@ReneRitchie I’m wondering if that work could be spent giving that spec to MagSafe then and deleting the port. The iPad Pro shows that it’s not a z axis limitation, so maybe enough space could be saved to do it. I don’t particularly care how I get my prores and ProRAW off or do data recovery and updates, so if we’re going portless, at least put the faster charging rate effort (which I think is plenty fast enough for now) into data transfer speeds
I literally pronounced that as p-roar-ez! Lmao
Lighting port: 😆
If you record 1 hour of pro res on your phone. It will take 2.5 hours to transfer it to your editing machine. Absolute madness
Apple does not need a port less phone…. They need a port with higher bandwidth to handle these enormous files
If only there would exist a faster connection than the antiquated lightning…
How about wireless transfer, that’s the future I think, I mean Airdrop exists now
@@wellszhou8286 airdrop is fast, but very unreliable. It just simply doesn’t work about 30% of the time, requiring rebooting of the phone or toggling airplane mode. Cabled connections are significantly more useful.
@@sonarun Airdop is not “fast” it’s about as slow as USB 2.0, maybe slightly faster depending on file type. The iPhone needs USB-C period.
iPhone ❤️
ProRes is just nuts. Bring it to every device. Set the people free.
It's a huge amount of overhead. Older devices don't have the storage systems to handle it (can't write the data fast enough to disk for 422 HQ) but it looks like future devices will keep getting better!
@@ReneRitchie the power being unleashed in these new devices (iPhone, iPad, MacBook) is just incredible - such rapid changes with the new silicon. Hard to fathom where ProRes will be in 3yrs on further optimized devices. 🤯
Thanks for this video, and thank you for taking the sideline. I mean I like your videos but sometimes you just mumble a bit too much, that’s just personal preference forgive me if you find that offensive.
But taking the sideline and letting the Profesional speak in an interview and help explaining it does make things easier for the layman viewer like me who likes to understand more about tech but don’t have the knowledge to do it.
Great job! Keep up the good work.
Now get rid of that lighting port so it doesn't take an eternity to transfer those files to a computer!
Or just move Lightning to USB 3.1 speeds, right?
Finally understand the protest hype! BTW, Love CuriosityStream! Nebula … the jury is still out. Too much like RUclips to feel valuable yet, different enough to feel clunky.
all is nice .. but then RUclips compresses it all again .. and we are back to square one
RUclips is a delivery system. ProRes is still really, really useful as a production system
I’m gonna take this with a pinch of salt as you can have a small specialist camera with ProRes instead of using an iphone. This could be Apple paying for advertising for the iPhones as the cameras are very much from Sony.
obviously the video / Camera on iPhone 13 is just beyond this world. Then why should I have Whatapp or tinder in a such a beautiful “phone” .
Apple could perhaps create a totally new device just for video without sim or all those other disruptions.
A dedicated video perhaps , or iPod with such capabilities!,,
You know, some video professionals come on this channel as guests and their video and audio quality is horrendous. This guest, on the other hand, really did an excellent job of having great video/audio from his side and so we could concentrate more on the message than horrendous quality that occurs with some other guests (not Gruber; his video/audio, which I understand was from the new MBP, was excellent as well). And this guest really sounds like he knows what he's talking about lol.
You are all so silly. ProRes isn't pro resolution, ProRes is a compressed format. Uncompressed video is unaltered, full-resolution video. Each frame of video is fully represented in its purest form. Compression tries to interpret the same video but in a smaller file size.
if you only use youtube, podcasts, imessage and instagram, do you really need a "PRO"? coming from a 11 pro max
No, unless you really care about battery. My 13 pro lasts a day and a half basically.
Amazing videos from prores, only to be limited by the archaic lightning chord that makes those ultra-sized files transfer at ultra-slow speeds. Hear me out apple: THE LIGHTNING HAS TO GO!
Just use airdrop it should be atleast faster than lightning
@@dreamsider can’t airdrop without mac. Also it would still be slower than the potential of usb c.
Good informative interview. However, I’m not the guy who flies to Africa to go on safari and films giraffes in ProRes so this stuff is almost completely irrelevant to me personally. I do, however, empathize with your pain over the damnable Lightning connector. That’s just ridiculous on Apple’s part.
Storage full in iphone after recording 2 mins
Yes Rene could you, and other pundits please stop talking about the "dreaded notch", and the size of bezels. Professionals, and normals need the best tech when it comes to the connection port. Apple needs to put UBS4 host mode all options on its devices like the iPhone. That would give us 40 Gbit/s data transfer rate when connected to any of the new Apple M1 series mac's.
Wait, how about Airdrop
@@wellszhou8286 unreliable.
@@wellszhou8286 Most normals do not know how to do Airdrop. Why not put the best connection technology in a device that you can?
It’s not flat and there still no pro camera controls so this update is pointless
So all these new technology nowadays and we’re just talking about camera, this phone can’t do anything else besides taking photos and recording ??
H.266 is going to be DOA thanks to AV1, quote me.
AV1 is taking forever though...
@@ReneRitchie Yes but once it‘s here it will spread like wildfire since the is no license BS going on with it. I think NASA used it even for the recent Mars footage although I‘m not 100% sure on that.
Now all it needs is a USB C ... And it will be almost perfect having to waste 2hrs to transfer a file in 2022 is simply not right.