In Defense of Cho Chang: Why She's Not As Bad As Everyone Says
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To defend the “Cho always cries” argument you should’ve simply quoted the passage in which Hermione literally explains to Harry and Ron why Cho always cries. Hermione explained all her feelings and Ron answered with “No one person can feel all that at once”. Then Hermione got angry and told him not everyone has the emotional range of a teaspoon. It was a very good explanation though
Technically speaking Rom isn’t completely wrong. Having to feel that much is overwhelming.
@@AnInkStick Hahaha sure. That’s why it’s understandable that she was crying all the time. And also comparing her to Harry is harsh cause women tend to cry more than guys anyway
Agreed. Different people have different level of endurability. Many girl are strong who doesn’t show emotion. Doesn’t cry much. But that Doesn't mean a can't cry. And calling her cry baby Because she chose to show her emotions? My God what's happening to these people!
@@AnInkStick Which was exactly the problem - ie exactly the reason she was crying. I mean. . . that's what crying is, isn't it? It's when you have too much of any emotion to properly contain anymore? Edit: I just noticed that somebody already said this. Sorry about the redundancy.
Yeah, it was an AMAZING explanation. She could've had a future as a psychoanalyst if she'd wanted it.
Hogwarts definitely needed some grief counsellors. Cho's boyfriend had just tragically died, so you can't blame the poor girl for constantly being upset and weepy. They'd been together for over a year, and her depression isn't a sign of weakness, but of realism.
The Problem wasn't that she was weepy. The Problem was that She was always weepy. I mean Harry just witnessed a mfkg full-blown Murder, that too just a few feet from him and yet you don't see him bawling every second. Cho in comparison only witnessed Cedric's Corpse, yet she was bawling the every minute she got. In addition to the trauma he faced, Harry in his 5th year was practically hounded, ostracized and labeled a loony liar. Cho again in Comparison was relatively Popular and had her friends with her. Hence she doesn't get any sympathy from me (atleast the Book Cho).
Cho and Cedric were only together from the Yule Ball until the latter died. The Yule Ball took place ay Christmas, Cedric dies in June, that's only 6 months.
That's the point, they don't understand anything about mental health back then
@@ruturajshiralkar5566 man said only
Hogwarts doesn’t even have basic electricity, you expect them to have mental health services? 💀
Cho definitely seems to be misunderstood. I never realised that she'd already graduated from Hogwarts around the time of the great battle, and though she wasn't obligated to do so, she opted to stay and fight. Even after her awkward break up with Harry, she's still willing to be friendly with him.
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@Wednesday not Tuesday fr bro how do u hate cho but like Draco Malfoy
@@brockgage12people only like Draco cuz of the actor who plays him.
She was established to be one of the few that literally believed Harry, and got angry when the Ministry tried to punish him for it.
I think Cho and Harry could have worked out if they started dating at a different time. When they dated both of them were messed up over Cedric but in very different ways. Cho was sad and wanted to talk about it, and Harry was traumatized and ignoring it. Therefore, Cho came off as weepy to Harry and Harry came off as callous to Cho. It wasn't necessarily that their personalities were incompatible, it was that their ways of dealing with tragedy were incompatible.
this is really well put!
Real
Trauma and Grief are really powerful emotions that can carry people away. Cho clearly was affected by Cedric's Death. She really doesn't deserve the hate she gets from our fandom.
I agreed
I agree umbridge deserves the loves she get
@@Moesie huh?
@@Moesie she is not umbrige she cho chang
@@janmendoza180 no she umbridge
I think it’s awful when people compare response to trauma’s. Everyone experiences things differently and yes this is fiction, but it’s really telling when someone judges someone for crying as a traumatic response fictional or not. Crying is a healthy coping mechanism, it’s a release of tension and anger and sadness and is much better than repressing your emotions or releasing them through unhealthy ways.
I lost my partner a few years ago and I remember being numb at some points and then other times crying till exhaustion. Sometimes now that sadness lingers within me.
Everyone goes through pain and trauma differently and I feel like people do not realise that. It’s very easy to judge someone for something when you’ve not experienced it yourself…
And lmao ppl love Draco and Snape and obsess over them and try and defend them at every turn but then immediately hate Cho who isn’t half as bad, morally as they are 💀😂
Agreed. "It's not the oppression Olympics" Tabbes once said. Indeed people experience things differently. Snape was treated terribly in his past sure but he did his absolute most to bully and torture Harry, a little child, for years and years. It was so wrong of Snape. Cho was just a kid and things didn't work out with Harry, that's all.
It’s easy to compare trauma when you don’t know what trauma is.
@@di3486 well said
Lol Snape bullied teenagers for literally nothing and Draco was a bully to Harry and muggleborns, compared to them, Cho is way better
Thanks
Cho: expresses real human emotions instead of being someone who shields her feelings like SO many people in the franchise.
People: *Ugh I hate her so much, such a crybaby.*
@Sad at this point people will hate on most characters over draco and Pansy, like I know he has his issues but people treat Ron as someone unforgivable for being an insecure teenager over those two.
@Sad yeah people really hone in on Ron’s mistakes in goblet of fire and the deathly hallows and call him a bad friend and obviously it’s not great but it’s just being a normal teen, Ron always struggles with insecurity and usually has it more inwards and tries not to show it and would always be the first one to jump in to defend his friends, those 2 moments is just when it becomes too much and he has a moment of weakness but he still cares for harry and always worries and come straight back. I think the Weasleys in general get hated a lot for their negative traits but they’re realistic and the point of them in my opinion is that they try their hardest and they still have flaws but always come back and learn when they’re proven wrong.
No matter what people say Ron is a good friend, Harry loves Hermione a lot as well of course but there’s a reason why Harry is way more upset when Ron and him aren’t talking.
It’s the unreliable narrator trap. Bc that’s all Harry saw, that’s all we internalized. I think it literally takes us growing up and looking beyond just what Harry is telling us or feeling to realize that certain characters were justified in their behavior.
I'm a Slytherin but I have NO idea why people like Pansy so much. The fandom seems to have just created this cool slytherin baddie image of her because she hangs out with Draco. Otherwise, she barely gets screentime in the movies and her only lines in the books are insults way meaner about Hermione than anything Cho said.
@@musicfanatic075your comment is severely underrated.
It doesn't make sense why people compared Harry's trauma to Cho's.
They both handle trauma differently, every character does, and every real person does. It's not a competition of who can handle trauma better. It shows how different people express it, all the sadness and depression.
I always found the hatred towards Cho was unwarranted. Her boyfriend was murdered and saw his corpse brought back with Harry refusing to tell anyone what happened the year after and all she wanted to know is what happened so she can get some sort of closure so she could move on. Honestly, I used to think she was annoying for always crying when I was a kid but I now understand as an adult I feel like us as the reader, we weren't mature enough for Order of the Phoenix at the time.
Also (bc Morgan brought up Harry leaving his date with Cho to do the interview with Hermione and Rita Skeeter) Cho was rightfully upset and Harry was being insensitive and just didn't understand women.
@@AlexRasdfghjkl that interview is definitely more important than a date, don’t you think? She was not rightfully upset.
@@kpopnimation I could be wrong but I don't think Harry told her it was an interview but that he was just supposed to meet Hermione. I'm pretty sure Harry didn't even know why he was meeting her exactly until he got there. She definitely would have been interested in going with Harry to the interview since she ask him during the date about what happened.
The part I didn’t like was when she defended Marietta, and insisted that the mark on her was unreasonable, even though Marietta’s betrayal was much worse than any prank pulled by Fred and George. It can be reasonable to defend a friend, but not when said friend does something THAT bad. It’s like if Remus knew that Peter betrayed the Potters, and defended him for it.
@@kpopnimation But Cho didn't know why he needed to do the interview, we know why but from Cho's perspective it appears that Harry is blowing off their date to be with another girl.
The fact that people forgive Draco over her is crazy! She had so much trauma that was thrown on her within the span of a year! She’s definitely misunderstood
But Draco’s hot
@@Bob25477 Draco Malfoy is a little c**t.
@@Bob25477so? His personality is shitty af.
@@Bob25477because Tom Felton played Draco! That's why people loves Draco so much in the movies. If it was someone else, then he would be hated as well they hated Cho or even Dolores
@@Bob25477can't you tell Draco is not Tom Felton?
She’s a teenager going through so much! If Draco can be forgiven, then she certainly should.
Draco was only forgiven because Tom Felton is hot
@@jashan_jj and he was miserable during his time being a Death Eater and he had a redemption arc and became friends with Harry during the Cursed Child (regardless on anyone’s opinion on it.).
@@jashan_jj facts. Because if he was played by an average looking actor, I guarantee you Draco wouldn't have any stan or apologist 😂
@@kbraven7007 ahem ahem a redemption arc which was off screen or off page
@@kbraven7007 he cooperated with harry they didn't became friends, it is different. I am sorry when exactly he had a redeption arc?
I do think the Harry-Hermione friendship was pretty unusual for Hogwarts in being both very close and completely platonic. I’m sure there were other casual male-female friendships, but none of them seemed to spend as much time as Harry and Hermione. There had to be tons of rumors that Harry and Hermione were romantically involved, and it’s not surprising that Cho felt that way. And you never, ever cut a date short to go see another girl, even if it’s just as friends. I don’t blame Cho at all for getting angry, and the petty jealousy is only natural for a 16-year old girl.
It’s crazy the length people go to defend and forgive Draco, but then don’t do the same for Cho. I always notice when it comes to characters like this fans usually have a harder time forgiving female character than male ones
This!
They literally baby Draco as if he wasn't a massive piece of sh*t but they get mad at Cho for crying about her dead ex bf...
Draco and Snape get so many people excusing them when neither one of them were remotely redeemed by the end of the story
I think it’s a combination of many factors that has nothing to do with gender. People always had a weird soft spot for “broken bad boys” and “broken bad girls” like Draco and Azula. While they’re nowhere near “good” they do have a fascinating kind of glamour. Cho on the other hand is just a needy girl who (understandably) cries a lot. Also, we see things through Harry’s perspective, and he doesn’t have the highest opinion of her. Characters like snape at least have complexity while Cho was just a (again, understandably) weepy teen.
I also agree. I see many female characters getting hated for being who they are. For example, if a girl does not know how to fight but has other skills like being a sleuth or emotional support she will immediately be called "useless". If a girl has somewhat of a sassy personality she will immediately be called several expletives even though male characters might be downright nasty but that's somehow ok. (For some people that is, of course. I know a lot of others judge fairly.) I understand it could get annoying to read if a female character was SUPPOSED to be a fighter but she is incompetent and *always* losing (sometimes you need them to win) but hating a character for being who they were supposed to be is like hating a pen for being a pen instead of a sword.
@@TehWhiteTiger I hated Snape being in charge of Harry's private lessons where he had a field day torturing this poor boy without remorse. He didn't even seem human to me anymore, just a monster with no conscience. Like I get you were treated terribly in your past and that was so wrong but why are you taking it out on this child that has nothing to do with it? And Snape had years and years to lick his wounds... it didn't justify his torturing of Harry. (I say torturing because it just wasn't bullying anymore.) I know trauma leaves people scarred for years and sometimes forever but it still doesn't justify all this evil.
Like I said about Cho in your video of all the couples in the series, Cho was rather possessive of Harry. She didn't want to lose him like she lost Cedric. The reason why she didn't want him to be around Hermione was mostly because, in my eyes, that she had a thing for him, but we know it wasn't the case. Of course, on the other hand, Harry did started to have a thing for Ginny, despite the relationship she had at the time. So...we can't truly be mad at her for it. Had they talked about this more, then things might've been a bit smoother and happier.
cho: *did not bully anyone
everyone: BOOOOO!!!!! WE HATE CHOOO!!
snape, malfoy & dursleys: whole purpose is to make harry suffer
everyone: omg draco soo cute, snape is a tragic character, durleys have a reasonable hatred
Exactly, I think the movies are partly responsible for this lol
@@ponderer467 Cause the movie shows Snape protecting the kids from lupin when he transformed, but never bothered showing some of the many classes where he threatened trevor
Shapes death was very sad I hate Vernon but like the others at the end and draco was bullied by his dad and they all got forgiven (bar)Vernon: because they made it Wright in the end
@@poppybrannigan8585 Draco wasn't bullied by his dad, at all. That was in one DELETED scene in the movies.
Bruh, who tf is defending the Dursleys? Last I remember, the entire fandom hates them
Thank you for doing this one! I had a friend in highschool who died and his gf was so traumatized. So anytime I hear really strong hate towards Cho I feel really sad cause I keep seeing my friends gf during the morgue, the wake, the funeral, and whenever we saw each other after. I didn't read or watch Harry Potter till after that and as a young adult Cho immediately reminded me of that girl. I know most people don't have an experience like that, but it's impossible for me to not feel a pang when I see Cho hate as a result of my personal experience and associations. I know it isn't personal when people hate on her, but I really appreciate both the last and this video a lot. ❤ Thanks!
That's really tragic, I'm sorry.
thats would be hard to go through
I never hated Cho. There’s a small detail people tend to forget, during the Battle of hogwarts, Cho came back even after graduating and supported Harry. Cho was meant to show Harry to the Ravenclaw’s dormitory before Luna volunteered. She was a good character. And then there’s the near entire fandom yelling that they hate Cho and love Snape and Draco.
Luna didn’t volunteer. Ginny told Luna to go with Harry instead of Cho. Lmao 🤣
It's such a shame after the 5th book Cho gets sidelined. She and Harry don't talk with each other for pretty much the rest of the series due to the awkwardness of their relationship and the events around it, aside from her offering to help Harry into Ravenclaw Tower. It would have been nice if they had talked with each other after the rumors around Cedric and Voldemort had worn down and leave on better terms with each other. Also Cho and Harry's relationship failing felt like it was mainly due to bad timing with Cedric dying and both of them going through trauma at the time rather than say they were too similar or didn't have much in common. I wonder how their relationship would have turned out without the trauma and the rumors.
I'm honestly shocked these people didn't even bother seeing it all from Cho's perspective.
And even with the Veritaserum in the film, she was forced against her will to rat out the DA, so it wasn't really her fault, it all Umbridge doing something illegal to gain information.
@Crazy Introvert T-Girl I know that, I'm just stressing how in the films, it wasn't entirely Cho's fault she snitched.
Cho was actually who I wanted to see Harry end up with. Yes their relationship had a very rough start, but with time and a little effort they could have easily worked past it. She is definitely a misunderstood character and definitely did not deserve to be vilified.
Same here! I wish Hermione and Ron had pushed Harry to talk about Cedric with Cho because she was his girlfriend and had a right to know what happened. That courtesy would have done A LOT.
@@MrJordwalk I completely agree. It would have been fair for her to hear it from him and talk things out with him. He saw what happened, she just needed that closure.
Same! Like Harry had a crush on her for two years and all of the sudden he loses feelings for her and likes Ginny? Like their relationship was so random.
@@Crystal-111 let's be honest, JK only put them together cause Ginny resembles Lily and Harry resembles James. in reality, they have no chemestry and, like you said, the way Harry suddenly falls for Ginny makes no sense lol
@@SYEJ92it makes sense in the books
Frankly I think she dealt with Cedric’s death much more maturely and better than Harry did. He legit just doesn’t wanna talk about it cause it makes him sad, but she DOES wanna talk about it and imo that’s the way to go.
She’s just 1 year older but like INSANELY more mature.
I think it’s a bit different tho, considering Harry actually saw him die
Bro’s analytical skills are in the shitter
Yeah, I fell like girls mature a bit faster then boys. like look at middle school boys lol
@@DaveyFish1 agree. And cause he saw cedric die at the hands of voldemort
@@DaveyFish1 also considering Harry saw his rival die and Cho lost her boyfriend.
Love the videos. I don’t think Cho was bad, I just think she was sad most of the time
She lost the boy she loved, no character beside Harry went through something nearly similar...And Harry lost his parents when he was still a baby so it doesn't really count
Absolutely agree,she is definitely not bad,she is always sad because she lost Cedric.I watched the film(Harry Potter and the goblet of fire),the saddest people when they saw Cedric’s dead body was Cho,Harry and Cedric’s dad.Also,if they took cho’s Suggestion instead of Ginny’s,would Dumbledore not get in trouble for the DA(Dumbledore’s Army)and would the DA not be in trouble?if cho did not force her friend to join the DA
@Sad I agree
I would like to note that the actress that played Cho Chang one time said that she found a website that was dedicating to hating her and Cho Chang, which made her upset. The controversy of the character got even worse when people start debating if Cho Change is a racist character or not. Literally, her ethnicity is being debated because of her name. Along with the debate, people are wondering if JK Roweling is racist or not.
Her character is absolutely not racist. It’s mostly based on her name that self-righteous White liberals get angry and think it’s an Asian stereotype but I’ve literally known Chinese people named Fang Wang! These people need to cool it!
That debate has certainly come to life a lot more since Rowling's…. Controversial comments…. People have started looking at the work more closely and starting to notice a lot of stereotyping, which would be common for the time they were written, but no less controversial looking back with a 2020 lens (especially when the Author herself starts saying controversial things herself.)
@@intergalactic92 the politburo when you miss one plenary session:
Harry, before coming to Hogwarts, had no friends due to the influence of Duddly and his gang, his shabby, hand-me-down clothes which were way too big for him, and probable lack of proper socializing due to the Dursley's constant bullying of him.
Ron was Harry's first real friend, who could relate to being poor, having used possessions, and being overlooked. Cho was his first crush, and he had no idea how to talk to girls. He was awkward in interacting with any girl he wasn't already friends with (basically, any non Gryffindor). He also couldn't communicate with Cho well, and their personalities clashed. Due to his communication issues, he was insensitive to Cho's feelings, which didn't help their relationship much.
In the books Ginny and Hermione were always going to get the boys, but Rowling needed to contrast these girls with Lavender Brown and Cho Chang. Part of the problem is that there was quite a bit of heat and chemistry in the movie kiss between Radcliff and Leung, (unlike with Bonnie Wright) but In the books Harry describes the kiss as "wet". Unlike in the books, director David Yates built up Cho's character and romance with Harry and then made her the traitor to the DA. After this build up and tear down, Cho (and her East Asian fans) really deserved a scene showing how she resisted Umbridge's interogation and then a moment with Harry where they could process their grief over Cedric's death and end their romance. Instead we got a Cho Chang that was a bad mix of Hollywood and Rowling's book, with no resolution, that left the fans despising her.
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“East Asians fans”?! Enough with the Asian supremacy! Why? Because they need to see “representation” meanwhile they can turn on literally ANY Asian movie and see ONLY Asian people in them! Some also have racist stereotypical depictions of White people but of course that doesn’t outrage White people or the Asians watching these movies.
She is not even a traitor, she Is forced to talk with veritaserum and it's never aknowledged😂😂
Exactly
I really don't get why so many people are so against a person crying, it's a normal thing to do if you are upset, and especially for teenagers whose emotions are more out of the control then adults.
It’s not that she cried it’s that she continues to cry all the time
Because people are taught that crying is a weakness.
Actually harry himself fell apart from Cho for that reason. It's mentioned in the books that one of reasons harry liked ginny was that she didn't cry much, even when he broke up with her or was going away to find hocruxes.
@@gatorboy21king Cho had a good reason to cry “all the time”.
@@gatorboy21kingher boyfriend was literally murdered
it is too funny how people are so quick to forgive draco even tho he's literally an arsehat but then characters like ron and cho are hated 😭
Ikr, this famdom is crazy at times
I would say the difrence is what role the character has and what happens to them Draco is an asshat but he gets his comeuppance regurley and is later stuck serving a man who kills anyone who isn't serving him plus he is supposto be an antaganist so it's more understandable while Cho's I guess irrelevance after her romance with Harry just kinda leaves a more negetive if she spends to much of the time just crying even if it is understandable as to why
@@Saturday476ikr Draco’s character in the movies is one of the biggest examples of Pretty Privilege
I hate the fact they kinda abandon her in the movies after it was clear she was forced to tell them about the DA. She would never do that by free will.
Certainly, there are some good things about Cho Chang's character that Harry Potter fans appreciate:
1. She is a loyal friend: Cho was a loyal friend to Marietta, even though Marietta ultimately betrayed Dumbledore's Army. She also supported her fellow Ravenclaw Quidditch teammates and was friendly with her classmates.
2. She is a skilled Quidditch player: Cho was the Seeker for the Ravenclaw Quidditch team and was shown to be a skilled player. She also helped Harry when he was practicing for the Triwizard Tournament, showing her dedication to the sport.
3. She is brave: Cho was one of the first to stand up to Umbridge when she became Headmistress of Hogwarts, and she was willing to fight against the Death Eaters in the Battle of Hogwarts.
4. She is a complex character: While Cho may have made some mistakes and had some flaws, she was also a complex character who had experienced loss and heartbreak. Her emotions and reactions were realistic and relatable, making her a more realistic portrayal of a teenage girl.
It's important to remember that every character in the Harry Potter series had both good and bad traits, and Cho Chang is no exception.
Perfect Comment! I've noticed how complex the characters are in the book, even some of the minor ones like Cho, Cedric, or even the Dursleys.
Almost every character feels important, and as I said in MovieFlame's hot take character ranking, being able to create characters with smaller roles than the hero who are just as memorable is the mark of great storytelling
While justifying Cho's jealously you could have given the example of how Ginny got jealous in the Deathly Hallows when Harry wanted to see the diadem of Ravenclaw and Cho volunteered but Ginny stopped her from going and sent Luna instead.
@Wednesday not Tuesday Duh. But Ginny is awful.
@Wednesday not Tuesday Because no one wants to talk about Ginny. 👍 God knows I don't.
Fr finally someone who said it
Like what did Ginny think she was gonna do
@{Miku•Bae} Be a ho duh!!!
And it was in the middle of a fucking war.
It just baffles me that people are so quick to forgive Draco ( a racist ) and Snape ( who bully his own students) but can’t find it in their heart to understand a traumatized girl like Cho 😐
Ikr...like even I'm a Draco apologist...but like hating on a teenager because she crys alot because she lost her boyfriend..and has to live with the judgment and trauma that comes with it afterwards....like ????HYPOCRISY??
I'm convinced Draco stans have read way too much fanfictions to the point where they have painted him as a whole different character than the true pos he actually was in the series xD
And they now consider that as canon lol
@@pxxv5370 1)they think they can change him / 2) they have a crush on Tom Felton or 3) they are hardcore Dramione shipper and see themselves in Hermione 😭
@@ymir2957 I sympathize with both Cho and Draco. I won't go into the details about Draco since that's not what this post is about, but the amount of hate Cho gets mainly because she "cries too much" is completely stupid and irrational. She's a young teenage girl who tragically lost her boyfriend to the most feared wizard of all time and to top it off, she saw his corpse right in front of her! It's like they're basically saying "get over it" or "it's not a big deal" when she is clearly going through a traumatic experience and is in need of therapy. And even if she wasn't going through a lot, everyone is allowed to cry whenever they want, no matter how big or small the situation is. It's not a weakness to cry, it's a strength, and I really hate it when people call her "a crybaby" and put her down for it.
@@ymir2957 or after the series and during Cursed Child we see him change, along with him being a good dad and that probably made the Draco bandwagon happy
I never understood why people disliked Cho so much for simply “always” crying. Her character and situation is a perfect example of people comparing hardships like it’s some sort of competition. Just because someone else had it “worse” than you doesn’t mean you can’t grieve about it. She’s also a perfect example of people giving female characters a hard time, yet everybody was okay with Harry having anger problems or they were defending Draco.
Cho only “crime” was that she was a teenaged girl dealing with grief. Society hates girls (Actions like acting girly or emotional is seen as negative.) While she isn’t my favorite, I understood where she was coming from, I was a teen girl at one point in time too.
Ok but also you should never use someone only as a crutch, especially when it’s painfully obvious they don’t want to be one. She was using him like a emotional trash can for her grief, just dumping all her sadness and negativity onto him that Harry doesn’t want to deal with.
@@kpopnimation Agreed but at the same time when you’re grieving & dealing with PTSD you tend to act irrational. This is a flaw for sure but aren’t ALL characters/humans flawed? Just because you have a few doesn’t mean you’re terrible. Cho was a normal person who just didn’t know how to deal with her emotions, like most people. Plus she had no one to talk to.
Most that hate Cho are women, the kind of insidious women that enjoy putting other women down just to feel dominant.
@@kpopnimation I don't think she used Harry as a crutch. As said in the video, she already had feelings before starting her relationship with Cedric, which meant that once Cedric died, once she felt ready, she could try and make things work with Harry. It was wrong of her to dump her pain and sadness on him, but talking to Harry about Cedric wasnt why she got with him in the first place. She clearly thought that Harry may have been able to relate or tell her more information about Cedric's death, but once again, that wasn't why she started a relationship with him.
@@kpopnimation At the same timespan, Harry was using his friends like emotional trash cans of which he could vent his anger at as well. Your point being?
I love how you choose to make videos defending characters and spreading positive messages in responsive to negativity. Keep it up - would love to see a similar video for Ron too!
I honestly love Cho, she feels like a real person with flaws and feelings, unlike some more important characters in the series
I think the reason people hate Cho is because the books are written from Harry's perspective, and Harry is, of course, frustrated with Cho as soon as she starts crying about Cedric.
Spot on. Too many people act like a clueless fifteen year old boy when talking about Cho, because that's how she was obviously and intentionally portrayed. From Harry's perspective.
GREAT VIDEO Morgan as always!!! I've always felt bad for Cho Chang's character. I hope she found peace and love in her life.
THANK YOU!!!!! the poor girl was going through the worst time of her life. her boyfriend was killed, he never got justice, ll her friends left her except for one and she was unable to process it. sure, she had her unlikable moments but give the girl a break. harry and cho werent in the right mindset to be in a relationship at the time.
Cho is not the best character but she receives WAY more hate than she deserves 😅
Edit: by the way, her bringing Cedric up was completely justified. Shows her trust in Harry and honestly, shows how positively she saw Harry, maybe even thinking he was more mature than he actually was.
Definitely 👍
I always admired Cho for going back to Hogwarts for the battle in Deathly Hallows because she had graduated and wasn’t particularly close with Harry. She was loyal when she didn’t have to be.
Yes but what if loyalty to Harry was not what took her back? What if there were loved ones that she had that were involved in the battle? What if she had very deep personal reasons for being a part of the battle and for going back that actually had nothing to do with Harry? This is what pisses me off about J.K. Rowling's writing. Everything is reduced to a binary. Defend Hogwarts and if you don't you are "bad" or "on the wrong side". Always defend Dumbledore no matter what sort of an arsehole he was, no matter how many children he abused and put in harms way, and no matter how much he groomed and exploited Harry. And if you don't defend Dumbledore, you are a bad person and on the "wrong side". Added to this binary, this lack of nuance about what perhaps may motivate people to do the things they do beyond basic hero worship, that really has, as an adult, annoyed me about Rollings writing. I mean, there are some minor characters in the story that could have had such a massively nuanced role and could have really brought some depth and new want to the story if they had been in the hands of a more skilled author. I believe that in the end, Cho Chang could have been one of them. And for the record, so could have her head of house.
@@milanka882 in my comment I never specified who she was loyal to.
@@milanka882 Shut. Up.
Thanks for this! As an HP fan who most identifies as a Ravenclaw who also struggles with depression, a lot of this needed to be said. Grief is deeply personal and is nothing to be ashamed of.
I love your analysis, many of the reasons people hate her are misogynistic, like her crying, most people perceive crying as a weak emotion but anger that men showcase is not considered one, but as you pointed out crying or being angry after a loss is normal. Also, Ron's behaviour is like when guys ask girls to name five songs of the band in their t shirt.
I completely agree with you- it's so unfortunate how little Cho's recognized. You brought so much more justice to her character by this video, so thank you Morgan.
Having someone died that close to you at that young of an age is tragic. I had a ex boyfriend die when I was 19 and it was very emotional hard.
Cho really was a great character in my opinion…She wasn’t bad at all according to the books. The first reason was totally barbaric…Everyone cries sometimes……not because they are weak because they have been strong for too long..and according to the books Cho wasn’t the one who snitched on the DA it was someone else and that person got what they deserve…So guys I really don’t understand why Cho deserves this guys. And if I was at hogwarts(which I have been 2 whole years late for) I would talk to Cho and help her during this (even if she didn’t know who I was) because she deserves support not hate.
I feel like you can recognize that Cho wasn't good for/to Harry and not take that personally and hate her as a result ? I've worked with traumatized teenagers & you know that saying that hurt people hurt people ? With teens you can kick that up to 100. In that context I think she acts pretty admirably most of the time. She's so sympathetic in my opinion.
I really liked Cho. Maybe not the very first read, but I actually enjoyed reading her sections in the books.
In the case of the quidditch thing, I think she was already dealing with Cedrics de@th, and she was also probably competitive. You know how when you're sad and something small goes wrong and it bothers you way more than it usually would? That's what I think happened. As for the rebound relationship thing, she was finally able to date Harry, but as Hermione said, that made her feel guilty and confused and all the other stuff, also, again, her boyfriend just died. With all that combined, I don't think she was ready to have a relationship.
She used to be my favourite character & other people changed my opinions so I’m really grateful for this video plus she lost her boyfriend what would you expect
Edit: thank you for 8 likes
All I have to say is thank you for defending Cho it’s a full time job defending her character in this fandom I actually really like her
Harry was raised in a horribly abusive environment and carried those scars as much as losing his parents. He definitely suffered from PTSD. Harry suffered as much as Cho had, I'd argue even more, unless her home life was as terrible.
I agree with what you said. Cho deserves better, of course she is going to cry a lot after Cedric's death because they dated and Cho was a teenager. I think also the movies did her dirty too as in the books, Cho didn't betray the DA, she would never do that because she would probably want to defend herself from the people who killed her dead boyfriend.
First, in love with your vids morgan
Even i agree with you abt Cho, like people who have only watched movies , are surely going to her as the movies did wrong to her. I prefer her in the books
Hermione agreed that harry is not able to understand emotions of people. It's mentioned many times in the books. Like if anyone is crying or emotional, he would just stand there at complete loss
So Cho is a good character
I literally don't understand how the film 'taints' people's impression of her more than in the book cos it was literally stated in the film that Umbridge used veritaserum on her. In my experience, her book counterpart always felt more hated than her movie counterpart
@@ashhabimran239 in film they should have shown the interrogation or the aftermath
Everyone reacts and copes from hardship differently so you can’t fault her for crying. However, I DO fault her for dating Harry when she clearly wasn’t ready. She needed time to grieve, process and mourn. I’m sure if she just told Harry she needed time he would understand, because if he truly like her, he would have waited for her. It’s a shame they couldn’t bond over Cedric’s death. I don’t blame her for wanting to ask questions as to exactly how Cedric died, but I do blame her for thinking of another guy during their DATE. No wonder Harry was angry. Again, she wasn’t ready for a new relationship, she just rushed into a new one. You might argue that she herself wasn’t aware she needed time or aware that Harry is receiving the rebound impression, but she must have known that taking Harry to a romantic cafe when really she just wanted info on Cedric was wrong. Thats the definition of leading someone on. That’s like looking forward to a date and then when you get there it’s actually an interview.
She should have told him straight out “ hey I need to talk about Cedric with you.” Get that out of the way, AND THEN go on a date. (And not the same place Cedric took her). Which was another mistake Cho made. Why would you go on a date to a place full of memories with Your ex when you’re trying to start fresh?? I’m sure there are many places they could have gone.
Also, I think her comment about turning down another guy was strange, as if she needed to provide proof to Harry how loyal she is to him or something. I could already see potential for trust issues. This shows us, the readers, how shaky their relationship is from the start. The fact that she said that just to get back at Harry for telling her he’s meeting Hermione shows how immature she is.
For anyone that dates Harry, they have to understand that he’s basically a celebrity. So of course there’s always going to be ugly comments and peer pressure. The question is Can she handle it??. Heck even the adults are in on the gossip, Just wait until you make The prophet front page! If your relationship is truly solid and you truly love each other, you will stick around no matter WHAT the world says. Like are your feelings for this person so shallow that you’re going to let comments from students get to you?
Back to the rebound idea:
I think Cho had a genuine crush on Harry and didn’t mean to use him as a rebound in the beginning, but at some point HE WAS the rebound, the plan B, the extra. That point in time being Cedric’s death. If she had dumped Cedric and gone out with Harry while he was still alive, then Harry is not a rebound. That’s different. However she only came to him after Cedric died so yes she was seeing him as a Cedric 2.0. It’s a question of at what point in time are you looking.
My other problem with Cho is that she’s too controlling. Harry says he’s meeting Hermione, he even INVITES her to tag along, and she still gets all bent out of shape. It’s not like he was keeping it secret. It’s not like he gave Hermione a compliment, he literally was just meeting her. Is Harry not allowed to have friends now that he’s got a girlfriend?? Is he forever forbidden from having friends from the female species? Another red flag for trust issues. This proves to me that she doesn’t trust Harry at all despite him being completely open about the meeting.
I don’t like the idea of Harry and Cho together because now he can’t even be himself. The whole bit about Hermione giving Harry advice is ridiculous. He shouldn’t have to put on a pretense that he thinks Hermione is ugly or say anything bad about her. I won’t support bad mouthing your best friends just to falsely win someone’s heart. A relationship built on lies never lasts, so what’s the point in starting? Cho needs to accept Harry for all that he is including his real feelings towards others. Even if he did take Hermione’s advice, it’s not like she can babysit their relationship forever.
It is not Cho’s fault for the DA falling apart, but she is guilty of defending Marietta. When she’s arguing about this with Harry, she says “Well….we all got away didn’t we?” 🤦♀️ My girl that’s not the point! Your friend needs to face the consequences of her actions. My problem with Cho is that she excuses bad behavior because “She’s a lovely person really”. As if having a tragic enough situation is enough to excuse any behavior.
What annoys me most is Marietta sold all of them out including Cho, and she’s perfectly ok with this?? She’s going to overlook someone who stabbed her in the back like that?. Pssshh.
Cho is not a bad person but I definitely dislike her.
It's a shame that I had to scroll so far down to see such a sensible comment instead of "society just hates girls" and other such nonsense.
The Harry Potter series has *at least* ten prominent female characters, both good and bad, who are adored across the entire franchise for one reason or another;
Cho just happens to be one character, among many, that is more disliked than liked in both mediums.
@@Sp3c9000 film should've shown the interrogation tbh
When I first saw Cho Chang on the screen, I saw how similar she was to my first childhood crush. I admit I was very disappointed with the ratting out D.A. part on the film. However I had learned overtime to look past her mistakes and see the real character of Cho Chang. She was a real sweetheart of a person who lost the man she loved, Cedric Diggory. She deserves all the support we can give her. I hope you all can see that.
So true
You are always so polite with how you voice everything about the comments so you deserve a round of applause, Morgan. 👏👏👏
Omg FINALLY, someone who acknowledges that Cho isn't that bad! She was just having a hard time dealing with her grief, and Harry wasn't the right person for her, and she wasn't the right person for Harry during this time. Reading the books, I rather liked her, so I never understood why people always hated her so much.
I completely agree. I felt neutral about her when I first read the books at 11 but now I’m more positive. If you just look at her outside, she’s not that complicated but if you dive into her story, she’s really interesting which is something I love
Hey Morgan, I'm a couple days late but I loved the video! Great work as always!
Finally the video is here. I have been waiting for this forever
Thank you!!! Even Hermione empathised with her struggles, the fandom is being very unfair, I've always lovedd her and found how everyone treatsed her completely uncalled for
Real
I’ve never hated her character, I’m reading OOTP right now and I only thought that she acted like your average teenage girl (in regards to how the first date went) but that’s just immaturity and she can grow out of it. Aside from that, there’s plenty reason to have compassion for her story because as you mention, she probably felt really alone and had no one to talk to while Harry had two friends to unload on, which they even tell him “Please stop taking your anger out on us”. The movie kinda did her dirty because when I first watched it as a kid, I didn’t understand that she was under a potion when she ratted them out.
Yoo! Glad you still making videos! Havn't checked your channel in a while and the first video I see coming back you're "fighting" with comments section XD.
I’ve learned from your videos that the characters I dislike most are more popular than I would ever suspect and vice versa. Thanks for sharing this.
How could anyone be sure there is absolutely nothing between Harry and Hermione? When Hermione later dates Ron - the other best male friend, and even JKR said she wanted to change Hermione’s love interest to Harry. So there are always something between these male-female friendship and JKR admitted it. Ron and Krum were also got jealous or suspicious about Harry and Hermione, but Cho got the worst hatred. 🙄
I'd actually like for you to do another one of these videos for ginny weasley. I see a lot of movie only fans hate her character which is a shame because she's my favorite from the books.
one of your best intros ever im cryingggg
Great video😊❤
My problem was never with Cho. It was with the relationship between her and Harry. I never thought they would work out, especially after their date. While they were both physically attracted to each other, they weren't compatible emotionally. They both needed different things that the other couldn't provide. The best thing to come out the relationship though was to it taught readers a lesson about crushes. Oftentimes when we have a crush, we develop an idealized perception of them that stems from us being physically attracted to them. We fail to see reality, so when we actually get to know the person oftentimes we're left disappointed because they don't meet the expectations we set up in our heads. Basically the moral of the story is to be careful when developing crushes. I think its a fitting lesson for the story of Harry Potter as he is experiencing his first relationship and crush alongside readers of the same age.
I think a lot of people look at Cho through the lens of adulthood but she’s a teenager. Emotions can be complicated enough even as an adult. I think she definitely needed a counselor or therapist but other than that, she’s fine.
I actually really like the Veritaserum change! Some things are misunderstandings. The fact that Harry didn't extend the same benefit of the doubt to Cho that she did to him was a really interesting way for the relationship to fizzle out, and it was a way to streamline their relationship's problems in the book, while giving Harry more ownership of his relationship's failures. I just wish the movie reflected on this aspect, or showed how Harry grew with his next relationship with Ginny.
thanks and keep up the amazing work! :)
for those who didn't read hp books: cho's FRIEND betrayed DA, but it's true that cho defended her with excuse that she was afraid of her mom losing her job, although ron's dad was in quite more danger of losing job. about hating harry's friends: she was just jelaous to hermione and offended by ron who thought she was fan of some quiddich team because they were the most succesful of all teams. beeing jelaous to hermione also explains bad date. and she cries because she is so much stressed and sad and remember: she isn't gryffindor to withstand all of this pressure.
@SonicCollectionsPs2Noises Yeah, that’s so petty and plus Cedric was more worried about what’s going on, not having a girl talk with Harry, Peter Petigrew and Voldemort. Plus he was more worried about getting themselves out of there or at least Harry and having his body returned to his parents. Romance was the last thing on his mind.
Exactly!!!
Actually when I read Harry Potter, I did not find Cho so hateable. I just found her very annoying when she defended Marietta. But she compensated it by coming to fight against Voldemort. I was actually taken aback by how much people hated her cuz I did not see anything she has done to evoke this much hatred 😔😔
Great video that really puts forward your opinion movie flame fabulous job Morgan
Thank you for your videos
I agree, I never understood the people who excused Draco's behavior but hated on Cho. Granted, she's not the best female character in the series but I think in a lot of ways, she's the most real.
Cho fought at the battle of Hogwarts against the death eaters. I do not think that she was a bad person.
As someone who’s watched his mother die right in front of his eyes and two best friends die in front of him, I can relate to how Cho is portrayed
This was your best video in a while!
One thing I wonder about is why in the Deathly Hallows she was so eager to assist Harry to go to the Ravenclaw common room, she didn't even look at him the year before, and now all of a sudden she jumps at the chance to be alone with him, and is disappointed when she was denied that chance by his current girlfriend? I always thought she might've been trying to get back together with him
She was trying
To people saying that Harry didn’t cry but Cho did: Harry doesn’t really show his emotion through tears that often. But he did have plenty of emotional outbursts in OOTP
That's quite a defense you put together lol Well done!
I appreciate this video so much
I have always felt neutral on her but she has moments that just felt. So BIG without actually being super impactful, and not in a great way. I very much understand her trauma being very recent and intense, but I just wish either the school, or herself would try to find healthy ways to cope. She was in a happy relationship, lost that person in a violent, sudden way. And longs for that joy she had again, and likely why she is so quick to get into relationships. But going to my phycology classes this can be SUCH a dangerous way to try and cope.
You are so susceptible to manipulating others without knowing it, and being manipulated to try and please the other person. As well as projecting what a relationship HAS to be. Each relationship is unique and there is not cut and dry way for love to be expressed and felt. And though she is using this as a way to cope which enables unhealthy behavior, she is at the same time keeping the wounds of the trauma open without addressing it. The first date shows this with her mentioning Cedric as much as the date itself. She needs to confide in someone but is not letting the other person consent to it, and is unable to unpack it due to the other person being put on the spot, and envious/angry that they have been able to find solace of some form. And it just loops and forms toxic relationships, both romantic and platonic, and digs a deeper and darker hole where the trauma bleeds into more parts of life than what already triggered PTSD and emotional responses.
Its a very real, and painful response to losing an important relationship from death. And it was never properly addressed in Cho's case, ending up severing some very important relations that she might've needed to get through her pain, that might've stayed if she coped/got help in a healthy way. The DA in some form was a case of positive and active coping, and even if it was small and not the most clean unpacking, seeing Cedric's photo brought resolve for improvement rather than depression and emptiness, and let Cho talk to Harry about Cedric WITH him. Instead of talking about Cedric TO him. It's a big difference
I hate to say it, but I think that writing about what you were talking about is well above J.K. Rowling's capabilities as an author myself. I mean, it would have been neat to see Joe actually go to an adult and cope healthily with her trauma. I have often address this in my fanfiction. I mean, she literally has the best head of house in the school, why didn't she go there? Well maybe she did, and maybe he helped her, and I would say that would be the case, but However, I think that writing about this is way above J.K. Rowling's level of skill when it comes to authorship. Oh don't get me wrong, she is a brilliant wordsmith. But good wordsmithing can often mask bad authorship.
It was bold of you to say that pitying draco makes less sense than pitying Cho. I never thought about that point at all, super interesting
Morgan keep up the good videos
Cool video. You should do more where you compile comment statistics. Its neat
I feel like sometimes fans, especially adult fans forget the students are teenagers.
Like Lavender gets a lot of hate because of being an overly clingy girlfriend to Ron but c'mon she's 16, people generally don't have life and relationships figured out at 16.
I can't hate her or Cho for who they are, their characters and decisions make sense to me
Until I saw the thumbnail, I honestly wasn't even aware of the hate that Cho received. Now I haven't read the entirety of the books so i couldn't say much about every book, but having watched the movies growing up, it took a bit for me to understand what happened when it was revealed Cho ratted out the DA. Of course that wasn't okay, but then as I got older, I finally understood the scene when Snape revealed that Cho was forced to rat them out via truth serum. I gotta read all those books eventually so i have a better understanding of the world and its lore as a whole. But yeah, never had a reason to hate Cho personally.
Good morning! I can't wait to finish watching the video!
let's goooo new vid
you forgot to add one point here. When cho's friend ratted them out, cho still took her side; she almost defended her. She even went on to say that hermione's spell was stupid, when in reality it was a genius move. That one comment from Cho to defend her snitch friend made me hate her more than her jealousy or tears
Honestly this is the only legitimate criticism of Cho Chang
She said Hermiones spell was stupid because of jealousy. She always thought there was something between harry and Hermione. That was the biggest problem in their relationship.
She's actually one of my favourite characters
You should do what if videos i’ll be behind that idea fascinating to me what could’ve been and what should’ve been.
OMG TYSM FOR DOING THIS
I am kind of surprised one of the reasons that people hated Cho is because of how she convinced her friend to join the D.A
Harry saw Sirius die and that still is way more affective and also he saw Dumbledore die and he could not do anything about it. He was so close to both these characters and he even lost Lupin and Tonks so he has lost a lot!
Bro your so underatted
oh yay new vid!!