Dizzee Rascal and Rosenberg discuss the history of grime, Skepta, and the whole UK scene
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Dizzee Rascal sits down with Peter Rosenberg on Hot97 and they discuss the Hip Hop scene in England.
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Just don't call Grime 'UK Hip Hop' and we won't get mad
+BottleBrassMonkey grime and UK hip hop are totally different
+BottleBrassMonkey grime and UK hip hop are totally different, so calling in that doesn't help
Rosenberg don't no shit lol! He just mentions what's on social media! I like how he gets British artists on but ffs listen to more grime! Old school grime like low deep, ruff sqwad, roll deep, Kano, the movement, Wiley etc I even wonder if he has heard boy in da corner which is thought to be the 1st complete "grime" album
+Maxim Calixte Yeah but it's not. We know what hip hop is, how you americans slept on grime is how you slept on ukhh. You know nothing so don't speak a naive mind.
+Maxim Calixte dont talk about shit you dont have the first clue about we have rappers dut we also have grime mcs grime came from garage jungle and DnB not hip hop as dizzee once said fix up look sharp fool
the beats on Boy In Da Corner are still crazy to this day
+Nick Roe Fix up look sharp! classic
+Nick Roe sittin here still gives me goosebumps
+davGbrap yh sitting here is probably my favorate track on there. the summer that came out was a live one
+Nick Roe listened to Girls from Showtime for the first time in ages a few weeks ago and I forgot how mad the beat is man, Dizzee productions used to be so live
Yh showtime was hit and miss for me i rated a few tracks but it didn't come close to his first album
Really tired of people wantin to claim Grime is a subgenre of Hip Hop, or even that it was massively influenced by Hip Hop. They are both just different manifestations of Jamaican Soundsystem culture, and only ignorance of Britain's rich history of soundsystems and MCing culture going all the way back to way before Hip Hop was about. Guys like Saxon Sound have had a massive influence on world-wide MCing & soundsystem culture with the pioneering of the fast-chat style.
Back to my point though, Jamaican soundsystem culture became Dancehall in Jamaica. In the USA it mixed with Funk & Disco to make Hip Hop, and in the UK it mixed with House and Breakbeat to create Jungle (then DnB), then Garage House came over and we got UK 2step Garage and the MCs jumped on that, and that then evolved into Grime, Dubstep, Bassline and Funky. Individual MCs and producers may have had a few influences from Hip Hop in their own style, but the only genre it can be considered a subgenre of is Garage. You might notice there weren't MCs with American accents, but there have been a shitload spittin in patois.
Basically, Americans need to come to terms with the fact that they did not invent spitting bars over a beat, and that Hip Hop is not the overarching culture, but rather just one manifestation of Jamaican Soundsystem culture.
+Ned Lightowlers facts bro, these fools dont know history everyting stem from the jamaica even hip-hop was founded by cool herc, a jamaican.
+Ned Lightowlers All of that is true, but the easiest way for me to explain to my friends what Grime is, is to tell them it's like Hip Hop but with different beats. Because none of them know what UK Garage and 2step is. A lot of people who like Hip Hop just assume Grime is the same thing, because they don't know the difference. It's the same for me, when I'm listening to Metal, I can spot some of the differences but I'm not able to tell what subgenre I'm listening to.
Fucking glad someone said it!!!!!!!!!
Who gives a fuck where it comes from! Just know the Brits SLEEEEEEEEW DEEEEM!
+Ned Lightowlers I agree with many of your points, but with respect, I'd say a few steps are missing...
R&B birthed Disco.
Disco = House..
House + New Jack Swing = 2 Step
Late 80's Uk HipHop was extremely fast and heavily influenced by Big Daddy Kane, Public Enemy, UltraMagnetics etc resulting in groups like :
Silver Bullet, Demon Boyz, London Posse, HiJack, Rebel MC (Congo Natty),
Vocals:
Demon Boyz, London Posse and Rebel MC were the first to localise UK HipHop by adding their Jamaican or Cockney twang on their tracks.
Production:
Many of the above UK HipHop artists wanted to get bookings in Acid House Raves, so Rebel MC (Congo Natty) led the way into this fusion, by heavily relying on UK Rappers that spat fast with a yard twang (think Durrty Doogz) or by having Yard DJ's like Daddy Freedie, Tena Fly etc spitting over his manipulated HipHop breaks with a Reggae Baselines that later would be known as Jungle.
Even Liam Howlett (Rave) , Goldie (Jungle) etc were all UK Hip Hop boys lol
In summery:
it's all about where your reference point starts.
I totally get that many Grime MC's only go as far back as Stevie Hyper, thats ok, but just know that pretty much most of the components that make up Grime have already been done in HipHop.
Dizzy has clearly come to this realisation as he is traveled and starting to connect the dots.
If anybody disagrees go listen to the below artists circa 1988 -1991:
Demon Boyz, Daddy Freddy, Ragga Twins, London Posse etc.
P.S.
The Top tier Grime MC's have graduated from one line flow reload bars into Lyrical MC's, just like how Disco MC's made the transition from Rappers Delight to Nas.
Guyforkz And most of the components that make up hip hop were already being done by early Jamaican soundsystems. I don't have a problem with people saying these guys liked hip hop or had some influence from it, but I do take issue with people trying to claim grime is a subgenre of hip hop or part of hip hop culture, when it has its own history. One of the big talking points in the late 90s/early 00s was that garage and grime had pushed UK hip hop out of the limelight, clearly making the distinction then. Hip hop definitely had an influence on clothing and certain aspects of lifestyle culture, but the music itself can quite easily be traced back to the early soundsystems of jamaicans who first came here. All these genres up to grime and later were heavily related to the pirate radio and rave culture, not so much the mixtape and track culture (obviously there were tracks but that was more a way the labels commercialised to sell records).
I don't agree that Grime came from Hip Hop to be honest. Grime came from a mash up of UK Garage, Reggea, Dancehall, Sub Lo (Dubstep). Them influences were taken from the influences Hip Hop itself drew its influences from. So it's just our spin on it.
A example i can give is.... Rosenburg just said about a certain beat that was one of the best double time beats in Hip Hop, Where as over here in the UK 140bpm is not double time that is just the tempo but, 140bpm is only where we ended up as the UK Garage seen was anywhere between 128 - 140bpm. (just a side note UK Garage in the early 2000's became our chart music, then boys from council estates just put a more darker/hood vibe to it)
I'm 26 now and have listened and created UK Garage, Speed Garage, Bassline House, 4x4, Grime, DnB, Grime since i was about 12. I have to strongly disagree that grime is linked or even influenced by Hip Hop. our underground seen over here has grown organic. Before all this in the 90's we was listening to House, Dance and trance over here. Like Robin S - Show me love and Ace of Base - All that she wants.
To end lol, Yes maybe in the 70's, 80's and early 90's the UK and the US drew from the same influences to create our music but to link Grime to Hip Hop to me is just completely skipping over like a 10 year growth period, Meaning any young kids from the US watching this interview would just think. Oh Grime is just UK Hip Hop and thats that. But No there was a real growth to our seen, that in my opinion, if anything had a almost Anti US influence to it.
These are just my opinions though lol. Dizzee is a legend never forget summers as a kid rocking boy in the corner. and Rosenburg keep interviewing UK artists, Hopefully one day we can understand each others cultures fully one day.
+Anesu Chimkupete Skinnyman, who made Council Estate of Mind, isn't a grime artist. I'd disagree that Grime has no influences from hip-hop, Dizzee mentioned in this interview that he was listening to US hip-hop and crunk.
Not suggesting for a second that Grime is a sub-genre or even a derivation of hip-hop. Simply saying that Grime, in my estimation, did take some influences from hip-hop, as it does from Garage, DnB, Jungle and so on.
+AntPid89 You must never heard of Rodney P or the london posse.
Both Hip-Hop & Grime were influenced by the same things and ended up Kinda Similar -
GRIME IS DEFINITELY NOT HIP-HOP.
Lol so basically all you just said is that grime is from hip hop...
Grime isn't a sub genre of hip hop ffs. It comes from Dancehall. Sound systems, clashes and selectas, 140bpm. Rosenberg should know better by know.
Grime and Dancehall are both subgenres of hip hop.
+Cris LeRoi dancehall came before hip hop so false.
Grime its own wave, it's not a sub genre of anything
+Jay Hamilton u dumb as fuck.
Dancehall ain't a sub genre of hip hop. How can it when hip hop sprang out of reggae? Grime has dancehall influences
Grime is what hiphop used to be...untouched...untainted...fresh...raw talent
And it's NO FUCKING SUBGENRE of hiphop..I hope the fucking money doesn't ruin it....
+MEGA .MEL Forget the labels, they aren't made in the same place as the records.
^ that's what I've always said, grime's rawness (when it started out anyway not really now people are getting paid) reminded me of how I felt when we first discovered hip hop in the early 80s. I think that rawness is quite an achievement as well considering the environment/living conditions of the progenitors were nowhere near as deprived or impoverished as 80s NY/LDN but early grime still felt raw despite everyone having mobile phones, nice creps / garms, the internet and computers etc...
+merely a teacher yea thats a good point, to me its kind of like an updated hip hop, and i think eventually it'll come full circle and influence hip hop and a lot more. look how the US recently got into electronic, grime will follow, once there is a version that is a little more accessible to the states, for better or worse
+MEGA .MEL do u got any history on the grime dee jays
DJs can mean the people on decks, like Spooky, Pied Piper, and Slimzee. Deejays can also mean the guys on the mic, like So Sollid, Ruff skwad, and Roll Deep.
It's NOT a subgenre, Rosenberg. Stop throwing loaded questions at Dizzee, too.
Dizzee started speaking about SoundSystem culture which acted as a predecessor to both, which Rosenberg then agreed on. 30 seconds later 'oh, but it's a subgenre of hip-hop'. Influenced, yes, subgenre, no. Different things.
Props to Dizzee, though. Nice to see him get rep.
in the US it's a subgenre.
+Cris LeRoi nobody cares about the US. Chill.
+Cris LeRoi nobody cares about the US. Chill.
+Cris LeRoi I don't agree that Grime came from Hip Hop to be honest. Grime came from a mash up of UK Garage, Reggea, Dancehall, Sub Lo (Dubstep). Them influences were taken from the influences Hip Hop itself drew its influences from. So it's just our spin on it.
A example i can give is.... Rosenburg just said about a certain beat that was one of the best double time beats in Hip Hop, Where as over here in the UK 140bpm is not double time that is just the tempo but, 140bpm is only where we ended up as the UK Garage seen was anywhere between 128 - 140bpm. (just a side note UK Garage in the early 2000's became our chart music, then boys from council estates just put a more darker/hood vibe to it)
I'm 26 now and have listened and created UK Garage, Speed Garage, Bassline House, 4x4, Grime, DnB, Grime since i was about 12. I have to strongly disagree that grime is linked or even influenced by Hip Hop. our underground seen over here has grown organic. Before all this in the 90's we was listening to House, Dance and trance over here. Like Robin S - Show me love and Ace of Base - All that she wants.
To end lol, Yes maybe in the 70's, 80's and early 90's the UK and the US drew from the same influences to create our music but to link Grime to Hip Hop to me is just completely skipping over like a 10 year growth period, Meaning any young kids from the US watching this interview would just think. Oh Grime is just UK Hip Hop and thats that. But No there was a real growth to our seen, that in my opinion, if anything had a almost Anti US influence to it.
These are just my opinions though lol. Dizzee is a legend never forget summers as a kid rocking boy in the corner. and Rosenburg keep interviewing UK artists, Hopefully one day we can understand each others cultures fully one day.
Manny Nobody cares about the US, but you're watching an interview on hot 97.
I was on the roads when Dizzee made 'I luv u'
+Sav S Stormzy...
+ihavetheanswer Adidas creps don't ask where I got them
+iRainFromDTown don't ask where they are, don't ask if I copped em
+SimplyComplicated Where you get your Rollie from?
+Sav S I was on RUclips when Sav S made a batty boy comment
East London Boi...
Nigga you are everywhere.
+Manny lol
+mickey st james west london has good curry, but music is north, south and east.
big up west london pirate radio myth fm
ye
From South London and it's just amazing to see our guys get recognition in America for a type of sound that I don't think Americans would really bump to
Boy in Da Corner is a classic... hip hop fans must listen
Yo, Rodney P and Skinnyman were killing it back in the day. Skinnyman probably my favourite UK mc
***** Rodney P was part of Ldn Posse
***** Mad dog ? who that ? Rodney P and Bionic.... Had to listen to How's life in London today. Bionic had the better verses on that tune....
I didn't know people were still into london posse, I never forget when bionic shouted out wood green on a song, I got hyper, love them guys, real ukhh
Lev Myshkin lol. Dudes were listening to hiphop pre 2000 bruh. In particular UK hiphop. I used to buy HHC magazine monthly from 1991 till 97. I still got most of the magazines in the attic.
FukcKKKBNP Lol, I guess I should know, I was born in 91, so I don't know anything about the music those days! My parents grew up with Saxon Sound and Fatman etc, so the bit in between was something I only heard every now and then.
Really enjoyed this interview and the discussion about London culture and underground music xx
This real late with Rosenberg is the best show on Hot 97. Rosenberg shows major love to international artists.
*YOU GUYS SPOKE PURE TRUTH ABOUT LONDON.*
Grime didnt come from Hip Hop. It came from garage, which came from Drum and Bass, which came from Jungle, which came from Jamaican Dancehall. It has a lot of hip hop influence though, especially nowadays.
Grime not UK hip hop.
dizzee's not good at explaining what garage and/or grime is
+S Kay yeh i thought that on his sway one but why the hell dont they have the likes of ghetts kano and wiley the real pioneers
+ozza lowes Am I misunderstood or are you sayin Dizzee ain't a real pioneer?
Keith ThaDon no dizzee is a pioneer for sure but he dosnt have the passion for grime as kno ghetts and wiley have he said himself he aint purely a grime mc anymore
I hear you. Tbh Wiley and Dizzee are the biggest pioneers from the early crop of grime mc's. I came up in that area/era.
Nobody is. On the sway one he did a decent job, better than skepta did when he was on here.
dizzee rascal, i grew up listening to you from all those sidewinder raves and pirate radio with wiley and you truly are one of the best mc's that evolved from the early garage/grime scene. dont forget where you came from it seems like you've forgotten your roots. of course 'evolve or be extinct' but dont forget the foundation you was a part of. The tune he's talking about btw is Da Click - Good Rhymes ft Mc Creed, Psg, & Mc Viper
Yes Dizzee !
Rosenberg playing J Spades ?
No way lol
I need Wiley on hot97
+haitiandawg A weekly appearance
Every time someone mentions Wiley on Hot 97 or on other American shows the hosts have no clue who Wiley is and doesnt seem to bother to ask either. You see it in this interview as well.
Has everyone forgot about jungle
thank you! how can they forget jungle.
So sad my man can't give Wiley his props.....Wiley is the Grime godfather.
Dizzee, the legend
How he not mention the 90s rap group from the UK "London Posse"!?
true
Thanks for the remind.Every should at least know gone money mad.
GANGSTER CHRONICLE 1990 (sick album) classic uk hip hop Rodney p bionic godfather uk mcs
Because he doesn’t know. Nice that he referenced Hijack. London Posse, Demon Boyz even Cookie Crew were a part of hip hop. I think he undersold how big hip hop was in the UK before his time.
I find it crazy that Dizzee is actually younger than Skepta...
When Dizzee is talking about Wireless. I'm that guy. I was so gassed when he came on jumped 10ft in the air n sprinted to the front. He saw me and it is still one of the biggest performances I've ever been to.
THERE'S A VIDEO OF IT ON MY CHANNEL!!
I'm glad UK is getting recognized or starting to
It's nice to see a UK MC who knows the history of their art.
Wiley must be watching this thinking "what the fuck"
Great interviewshould try to get more Grime Artist like Jme, Chip and Stormzy is overdue
Dizzee never mentioned Asher D, he came before him, so solid etc
+Remi .PH probably cus they had beef. he spoke about them in his interview with Sway the other day
+Temparz well sway tried to get him to talk about it
+Remi .PH why would he talk about them man , when he got shanked over that drama
21 seconds tuh tuh tuh
+Temparz What was their beef about?
Was it about food or money or McD?
Dizzee made the best grime album of all time, and he still disrespects the grime genre by agreeing its a sub genre of hip hop. And I would have thought you knew better by now, Rosenberg, than to even think that is true.
+Espen Steen it clearly is a subgenre of hip hop, they are rapping over a beat. without hip hop, grime music WOULDNT exist
💯
+J P Williams As if Reggae toasting never happened. Dancehall, blues parties, shabeen's, dnb,. Rapping doesn't necessitate hip-hop. I love hip-hop, but seriously the close-mindedness to other musical forms from some fans is so irritating.
+J P Williams Grime is more influenced from dancehall than hip hop. If it was a true subgenre it would have popped in America time ago lol only reason Americans are taking an interest is because Kanye/Drake are tbh
Without the blues, funk and soul, hip hop wouldn't exist. Doesn't mean hip hop is a sub genre of funk. Stupid logic.
This guy did the madness back in the day. He paved the way for many mc's
Dizzee has a new album coming out, life is good, my favorite musician ever, fucking legend
to be able to explain Grime the person you're explaining it to NEEDS to know what UKG and Drum n Bass are
if they dont
then you'll struggle just like Dizzee did lol
its not a sub genre of Hip-Hop in anyway
the only similarity is theres emcees spittin over a beat
thats it
I completely get what he's saying about younger generations. I'm 16 and have listened to him for time. love all his music, grime and dance. I was at that wireless show and Ive never been more gassed than when i clocked dizzees track come on and how it proved that he is the OG of grime to my generation
Grime is garage and dance hall mixed together FACTS, at one point Dancehall was the leading music for black people in the UK in the 80 & 90s, fuck shit-hop
Wretch 32 & Avelino Fire In The Booth was ridiculous!
Dizzee knows his shit and you can hear it in his music. Such an important point-- "hip-hop" originally emerged from a panoply of influences, so we shouldn't see it as some sort of pure, isolated genre. It's a cosmopolitan, worldly music and Rasket is one of its best ambassadors-- and real humble dude, respect.
Solid Interview with My Favorite Artist from the UK.. SAME thing that is Happening with Gentrification in London is Also Happening in LA. In 10-20 years ALOT of Los Angeles will be Predominately Expats due to the HIGH costs of Living Here as well.
Glad to see Rosenburg took the time to interview Dizzee, UK Legend
grime and UK hip hop is two different things that overlap depending on the song/artist
I was rocking dizzy super heavy in the A 07-08
i wake up everday is a daydream, everyfing in my life aint what i seems....true OG big ups to Dizzee and Rosenberg from Australia!!!!
East London!! Nigga we made it! Liiiive-O
Making it to hot97 in 2016 after it fell off years ago is making it to y'all?? Britain must be wack lmao
chill man, it's not that deep
_My_ style of rhyming words over rhythmic percussion is sooooooooo much different and soooooooooo much better than a lot of other shit. FACTS
Rosenberg knows! Wretch's FITB bars was something else.
Brand new day such an underrated tune
GET ROLL SAFE ON HERE
lots of gems about the history of the genres! props!
Dizzie a legend out here, when he dropped 'fix up look sharp' he had everyone moving!
annoyed me straight off hes calling grime"uk hiphop".
That boy wretch 32 is a beast for real I'm glad he mentioned him.
why do they keep calling Grime a sub genre of hip hop. Grime is not a subgenre of anything.
+Cameron l 10 l its just a bunch of young London boys that found a new sound and we loved it in the uk
Why didn't Dizzee correct him on the Wretch 32 thing???? It's Three Two not Thirty Two...
I remember buying Boy In Da Corner from Virgin megastores for like £9.99 and playing it in my Walkman on school trips. Classic.
It's Wretch Three-Two, Not Wretch Thirty-Two
You act like Americans know your British people.
OPTIC23100 Yeh, but Rosenberg should.
interesting that he mentions "what's your fantasy" as an influence on his production... always thought that the string sounds on "i luv u" were similar
can't believe my man didn't rep klashnekoff, jehst and lewis parker in that 2001 vibe... kicking down doors for uk hip hop at the time when eski boi started doing his ting..
"when garage came thru... stopped buying records..."
^ respect.
this was a really good interview
Big up hot 97 for this
Good Interview!
Hear the bang, See the spark!
dizzee and shotty horroh r my favourite uk artists! mad respect on this interview dizzee x
Real UK OG, rar Rosenberg knows alot more about the UK scene than i thought
I used to listen to Dizzee when he dropped Holiday
I feel like as long someone's rapping over something, everyone suddenly needs to jump up and say "woooo Hip Hop this Hip Hop that".
there was a time when Dizzee was critically massive then pop massive then he just seemed to disappear
Fuck yes he's working on another album!
'I remember when I used say it *I luv u* never scared always saying it *I luv u*'
Cool interview.
rosenberg props for ur dedication 2 the scene
Was hoping they'd mention Dizzee UGK collabs, would of been good to hear how that came about
Anyone notice Rosenberg was wearing a WWF now WWE RAW IS WAR jumper
So cool herc didn’t start hip hop but brought the sound system culture
J smith he didn’t bring that either
The Justin timber lake beat at end plz?
Yeah that's actually loads of UK Hiphip earlier than Grime, it's just well seperate - Skinnyman, Roots Manuva, Task Force, Foreign Beggars, Mark B etc etc
Raskit is all over American radio right now!
dizzee done grown up n actually givin wiley his props on a global venue
Unknown MC = Kamanchi Sly from Hijack....he's fucking wicked man , from back in the day
Rodney P and London posse deserve some props pre dizzee.
When he did the french i died.
How the fuck isnt grime a sub genre of hip hop lol , even in early grime days the clothes were american, anyone who denies a massive american influence is just biased lol
Dan South
whatever lol
Calling the British police "the Feds" enough said lmao
Dan South
Its not even anything to be ashamed of lol i just dont get why we reject the fact that Americas music has had subtle influences on ours. Its no big deal.
"Unknown MC . i forgot his name but he was in a group called Hijack",,😂
if grime is a sub genre of hip hop then folk music is a sub genre of death metal
dizzee is a legend and definitely a leading figure in grime… NOT UK HIP HOP … sorry rosenberg please get the semantics correct but I'm not surprised you probably been briefed by certain folks….
good show Dizzee Rascal
Was listening to boy in the corner the other day, still 🔥 AF RT. Big up dizzee, been kicking down doors for the UK scene for a minute now 🔫💯
Grime is not a Hip hop sub genre!!
Rap is not a genre - It's a vocal style.
Hip-Hop is a genre of music - Grime is a genre of music.
Done.
Rapping is apart of hip hop though.
Dizzee been on his ting from day..
Dizzee needs to do some rock/grunge/hardcore type shit. That part in "sirens" is sick. You know what I'm talking about. ..
This is a much better interview than Sways, big up
GRIME IS NOT UK HIP HOP OR A SUB GENRE OF HIP HOP.
this video 📹 was worth it, seeing dizzy rap in French 18:05
UK legend in the building🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
the grime sound came from uk garage. they used to call it grimey garage. everyone knows that.
Slick Rick is from the UK. OG