Just imagine how mad Radahn have to be,he resisted literally rotting from inside out just to not be slave to Miquella and then you kill him making him slave, then coming to litreally hell and just killing him again
Completely wrong, we kill Radahn to release his eternal suffer from rot madness. Causing him mad was one of Miquella plan, he wasn't choosing it. Then we kill him again to release him from being an eternal slave from Miquella. We're his Savior, twice
Imagine being the strongest demigod in the entire continent then after years of agony one guy 1/10th your size finally kills you. Then you come back to life to fight one last battle and it’s just that fucking guy again
He was never a slave to Miquella. Everyone who thinks that misinterprets the lore, badly. The Japanese version makes it even more clear that this is what he wanted, in case Freyja who knew him personally outright saying so wasn't enough... somehow.
@TheStraightestWhitest yet there is no evidence that he ever promised by his own will, also he ,,promised'' him still in childhood so it could have been careless and he just blindly accepted it as his brother, when being older he got his own rune and ambitions so he changed his mind, plus why would he hold the stars if he really wanted to become his promised consort, pretty sure he didnt care about ranni's or rykar's fate, remember he is carian too so stars have big significance for him, at last there is his fight with malenia, before he went mad because of the rot, he was most likely asked by malenia to fulfill his promise and become the promised consort, if he would wanted to become the consort, he would politely say yes and no fight would occur, yet they fought together and she infected him with the scarlet rot so he evenutally dies and it's guaranteed, still his great rune resisted the rot and he lived even in madness so he would not die, even if some lore is misinterpret cuz of inaccurate translation, there are still tons of facts and details that just completely disproves that he wanted to become the consort
Miquella isn't doing anything for his own benefit, he genuinely believes what he does will solve all of the previous mistakes. He is wrong of course but not evil.
Back in my day, the Lordvessel was a giant bowl, and we carried it ALL THE BLOODY WAY to firelink shrine! THE LONG WAY 'round! Things were different back then, I tell ya. Kids these days with their divine gates and their great runes...
It's crazy if you include all the Demi-God children from every marriage, all of them were dodgy in some fashion besides maybe Godwyn and Radahn. Messmer had the snake thing, Melania was rotting, Miquella was eternally youthful, Mohg and Morgott were Omens, Rykard fed himself to a different snake and Ranni, despite acting mostly normal, killed her physical self which could've ended poorly if you refer back to what happened with Godwyn. Absolute weirdos.
And if the (dubious given evidence) theory that the tarnished is a demi god, then marika had two normal children... one might have just been a mortal, which i can imagine ran away, causing pain or we're the child of the gloam eyed queen so REVENGE FOR MOTHER AHAHAHA
@@theenderdestruction2362 in tradition with all fromsoft souls like games, the player character is simply a nobody. The Slayer of demons, The Chosen Undead, The Bearer of the Curse, The Good Hunter, the Ashen one and The Tarnished, all nobodies, a central concept in these games
Poor Boc is certainly a victim. He is such a sweetheart but he despises himself because of how he looks, enough to even die in an attempt to appear human, just because The Golden Order preached that beings like him, should feel shame and know that they are cursed and lesser, born outside of grace for having animalistic features.
Its crazy if you really think about it, the possibility that Marika was actually the hero. The two fingers practically formed their own Golden Order under the false pretense of it still following the Greater Will. What if Marika realized this and she revolted? She realized it was all a lie.
@@alfalldoot6715 Marika understood that removing death and other things didn't do well for the world and by that she came to understood that problem was with Two Fingers. Only other person who was able to get similar understanding was Ranni. She used fragment of death rune to kill her body and soul of Godwyn the Golden. And how she got Fragment from the hound of Marika while living peacefully after that? It was help from Marika in some way. And this led to Shattering. So things happened like this. Marika became a God of the world with the help of Greater Will. Later she got to know that Greater will can't even communicate and she was following the whims of two fingers who lost their purpose long ago. She sent a part of her as Radagon and learn things from only Empire of magic which Resisted her rule, Carian. In Talismans it is mentioned that Radagon did learn the magic arts and other things Marika learned. He learned about glintstone sorceries and primeval currents and then went back to Marika. His children with Rennela were given title of Demi Gods when he became Elden Lord. Then Marika decided to start her plan of Shattering. Golden Order was all about Erdtree making every life form eternal in some way by removing death. She just couldn't add death back in and most probably Two Fingers had power over her too. So she decided on shattering the ring and got punished for this. This implied that even at her level she was not some super powerful being who could do anything. Since her powers came from Greater Will and Two fingers had a hand in it they had power over her. Simply stating. She understood that world is a mess but she can't solve it. She was also a ruthless person in many ways so didn't care about her own children so by using Shattering she sent world into chaos and doubt, and by time Tarnished came back two fingers decided to use players to mend the ring. Marika wanted a chance to appear where someone could solve the Elden Ring issue and Tarnished chosen by Two Fingers happened to be best bet.
If you think about it, Bayle started the entire game. If he hadn't fought Placidussax and grievously wounded him Placidussax and his God would probably still be in power and would easily be able to quell Marika's early armies.
While I do agree, it does make sense that Radhann was brought back. Godwyn’s soul itself was destroyed during the night of black knives and it would be impossible to recover. Miquella likely saw Radhann to be the next best option and so he attempted to peacefully coerce him into agreeing to become his consort. When that failed, well, the rest is history.
one more thing about gaius, he probably has a wife, after killing him, theres a house after the fog where there is a albinauric woman riding a wolf, that if you kill, she drops gaius leggings if i remember correctly
I fail to feel any sympathy for the horn people in the shadow realm. The ones above are actually victims of Marika, but the ones in the shadow lands are monsters.
there were still innocent people and genocide is never justified. I do understand why though that jar shit is fuucked. I just don’t sympathize with marika she is a vile person
The hornsent were just like any other group of people. Horrible atrocities against others is just kind of baked into the cake for human beings it seems. I think the dlc actually did a good job at displaying that, it’s all just one big cycle of violence at the end of the day.
Is it me or the hornessents seemed like the bad guys in all of this. They killed marikas people and destroyed her home just to stuff their corpses inside of jars. They found out that midra was messing with the frenzied flame and they stopped him great, but they didnt need to kill and torture all of his people. I think they got what was coming for them.
I think its because miquella is too far gone/beyond evil, in other endings of souls game even the bad ending they makes you as the head of the apocalypse/new age, but if theres a side with miquella ending, you literally will become a puppet of his, no free will at all
It suck but it makes sense, his death is the catalyst of everything. The game strongly emphasizes he's not just dead. He is like 100% absolutely no soul no revive no magic no anything dead. He is literally killed with the rune of death. There was never any coming back for him. Besides just imo i think he's better served as this mysterious figure that we never know much about, presumably saving his image. I mean look at Miquella, the more we know about him the less of a "hero" he was.
The fact that radahn saw Messmer and Gaius as elder Brothers and the Commander beign One of the eldest scholars of the alabaster lord, could change the order in which marikas children were born: W/Godfrey: Godwyn, morgott, mohg W/radagon: messmer, melina, malenia, miquella W/rennala: radahn, ranni, rykard This order Is also reflected by morgott, during his intro cutscene. However, even if the "AS" Is ambiguous, this could explain how Radahn's aunt, Rellana, sided with messmer. While the war against the Giants Is about to end, Radagon, One of the Champions of the erdtree during this war, could have started the First liurnian war. At the same time, the union between Marika and radagon starts to take Place while Godfrey Is banished. In this situation the four "pathenogenetic" sons were Born. Each of em Is cursed at birth: Messmer - Serpent and Fire Melina - Destined death and Fire (Lets notice that both have their Powers sealed in the eyes) Malenia - Scarlet rot Miquella - eternal childhood Talking of metyr, i think that Ymir has a good point: since she's unable to communicate with the Greater Will, the 2 fingers She births are faulty, hence theyre unable to interpret the correct messages of the outer God. This way each empyrean After Marika will NEVER act according to the GW's Plan and even Marika starts to drift from It. However, only through this problem, these beings aquired the free will, something that no other outer God follower has.
I think Messmer and Melina were actually born before Marika got with Godfrey. Miquella and Melania are the youngest since they were born after radagon had kids with Renalla and after Marika had kids with Godfrey.
Marika begins to seperate from the outer will becuase she begins to understand that the two fingers mean nothing, but radagon is like a puppet for the outer will which is why his phase 2 is the elden beast, because he represnts the outer will, not the two fingers. Marika broke the elden ring, radagon reformed it (i think)
A nice bit of attention to detail: you cant get Gaius's pants when you go to the round table hold to get his equipment from the Finger reader Lady. Makes sense since he is an albunauric and has no legs
All-Knowing Helm talks about Gideon "shuddered" when he sees "the end that should not be", probably a set-up to the Fingers being completely useless the whole time
One detail that nudged Messmer into my shortlist of favorites was how his comment after defeating us changes between phases. It went from a, somewhat cocky, ”those stripped of the grace of gold shall all meet death, in the embrace of Messmers flame” to the more demoralized ”o lightless creature, embrace thyne oblivion, as shall i” when he defeats us after giving into his curse and becoming ”as lightless” as us. I found it tragically wholesome or wholesomely tragic, not sure which one.
@GeraltofRivia22 correction: she wanted Messmer’s sword between her twin moons. I think Messmer just blue balled her for over a thousand years instead lmao
I found the dead bodies outside Midra's mansion very creepy tbh... When I first saw them from a distance, I thought they were some sort of birds.. But when I got closer and saw that those were not birds but were bodies with no head/skull and the spine sticking out.. yeah that was hella creepy
Midra doesn't but Nanaya definitely did. Her torch states as much. If Midra was not fully aware of the flame, then Nanaya was definitely tricking him and trying to turn him into a Lord by making him "Endure," the eternal agony of the hornsent's crucifixion, hoping he'd break eventually and release all that stored up torment into the world.
@@mrct592 I think she intentionally did this as a form of revenge for the people living in the manse, the slaves and all. Maybe she wanted Midra to finally acquire the full power of Frenzied lord and burn all of the land of shadows as an act of vengeance
@@raiyankhan8560 I could certainly see Nanaya as a shaman that tried to do the same thing as Marika. Take revenge against the hornsent. One became a god to enact holy vengeance and the other tried to nuke the entire afterlife.
Damn man I remember 2 years ago just started Elden Ring and got into the souls games me was so curious about the story to Elden Ring. I looked up so many videos found Vaati and found your “Lore of the Main Bosses in Elden Ring” video. I miss 2022 so seeing this title which is just the same title with DLC in it reminds me of your other video from 2 years ago. It’s a weird connection but 2022 was such a banger year for me. Thanks for the lore videos.
All this really teaches me is that Radahn was the highest level of badass that you could possibly achieve and if he really wanted to he could’ve toppled the entire Lands Between
I thought Midra was actually AGAINST the Frenzied Flame, and that he was enduring its influence this whole time, spurred on by his wife saying 'Endure'. Only after fighting us, does he essentially say 'ah fuck it, i don't care anymore. the world can burn for all I care at this point', and allows the frenzied flame to take over.
One cooler thing to mention about Rellana is, as obvious as it may be, her second sword is supposed to be modelled after Messmer’s design with the red ornaments.
Midras "weakness" was his past attachments and ultimately his kindness. we can see that he can actually become the lord of frenzied flame whenever he wants simply by pulling the sword out, but he endures until he breaks.
My only gripe would be, that its unlikely that "consort" in the context of relation between a god and their lord means spouse. Its more likely that its meaning is the obsolete version, which is a more general companion or someone to be in harmony with. I think so because a) Elden Ring likes its archaic English, b) being a spouse never comes up during any cases we know, except Marika and Godfrey and c) its seems that the really important thing is that there has to be a god and a lord representing/accompanying said god. It seems that romantic relationship, while possible, is not expected/considered. Which makes sense, considering we are talking about godhood and such, romance seems incredibly trivial, however funny the Miqq femboy memes may be.
there is something that bothers me about Bayle’s heart. Igon swore to feast upon it and the description tells us about it consuming the one who eats it. It makes me think we didn’t get the whole quest for Igon where he asks for the heart and gets consumed by it. Because there is no way our tarnished gets consumed by anything, he is immune to destined death, deathblight, frenzy (I mean he can’t be permanently afflicted) and eternal sleep, as well as magma wyrm metamorphosis (you can wipe out the whole dragon population and still not become a wyrm)
I will add that the Boss of Trina, is the horse revived as his protector, as his horse of Radahn is equal to the LOVE of Radahn, this part will stay with the LOVE part of Miquella. Makes perfect sense.
Messmer: guy with big snake inside him and mommy issues. Divine beast dancing lion: two dudes in a costume dancing Romina: quelaag 3.0 Rellana: rule 63 pontiff Sulyvahn Gaius: Radahn but bad Putrescent knight: a high skeleton riding a melting horse. Metyr: “OMG what the heck is that thing” Bayle: CURSE YOU BAYLE Scadutree: evil sunflower Midra: not mid Consort radahn: Godwyn would have been better I don’t care if his soul is dead it would have been cooler than radahn again.
Some people, Couple years ago: "woah... Wonder if we will ever fight Radahn in his prime" *Gets to fight (supposedly) prime Radahn in the DLC Also people: "BooOoO, RadAhN AgaIn? It'S sO LaMEe... ThiS BosS sUcKs!" F**k Godwyn, by the way
@@kevinferdian746 literally the only people who wanted to fight radahn again are radahn simps, not to mention that consort radahn is a bad fight to begin with( since his second phase just makes your Framerates tank). Also don’t talk s**t about Godwyn he deserves better.
WE are the villain, Miquella and Messmer are just in the way and since we have no autonomy in the dlc we are basically relegated to the role of a murderhobo
Bro just love it when they have a Fatalis Version in Elden ring Basically works the same way but completely different even tho we carved Fatalis part the hide never stop growing and soon the Hunter will Become another Fatalis
That's just fan speculation btw. There is no evidence beyond Fatalis equipment fixing itself when it gets damaged. And even that is called into question in GenU where it's revealed that they regularly replace the Pokke sword (the only thing assumed to fix itself) because people keep mining from it.
things take a dark turn when you remember about the golden epitaph and how it was made as a prayer for Godwyn's rest, given his body was alive but his soul was no longer there. not my theory tho, but i can't find the op on twitter
@@00vondough00 He has a sister who would be "willing" (I don't know if she's charmed to hell and back or legit loyal) but he has to go after his brothers.
@@en-men-lu-ana6870 Malenia is an Empryean herself so she can’t be Lord to a God. It’s possible that Godwyn was Plan A and then Ranni fucked it up by killing his soul in such a way it was impossible to bring him back.
Marika's two fingers didnt always have zero contact with the greater will. They communed with the GW just fine, until the shattering. Thats when the GW abandoned Marika and the Lands Between
an amazing video. just one tiny correction here, Bayle did not challenge Placidussax to a fight. He ambushed the Old Dragon Lord and somehow manage to take not just one, but three of his heads. They clashed and realising defeat was certain, Bayle fled. Placidussax before going into his deep sleep in a place where time stands still, declared that the drakes would be hunted enemies forever.
apparently the method he devised did not require one. since his method was slightly different from marika (as he rid of his alter, but markia did not rid of her alter radan.)
I very much liked how direct and to the point this video is... 12 minutes were enough to get an understanding of the lore.... Other RUclipsrs make 1.5 hours just for one boss lore..... Thanks man
You missed a major part of Messmirs story. He actually curses his mother right before his death. In his last moments he accepted what his mother did to him yet defies it with his dying breath. I always liked that final touch
I'm so butt hurt miquella was the fucking bad guy all along, I can only equate this disappointment too when my boy told me he thought Robb stark was gonna be the hero of Asoiaf and then he got to the red wedding and almost gave up reading the series....
really great video!! i appreciate that you explain the lore as it is in game, without adding in wild/out of character theories, it makes it really easy to understand
oddly enough the knight guarding st trina actually rides a horse like radahn and if you were to combine his 2 great swords together you get his cresent moon sword. I think there is more to that boss than you have unpacked here :)
7:24 Igon: “Curse you, Bayle! I hereby vow! You will rue this day! Behold, a true drake warrior! And I, Igon! Your fears made flesh! Solid of scale you might be, foul dragon... But I will riddle with holes your rotten hide! With a hail of harpoons! With every last drop of my being!” (After Bayle The Dread is killed) “Graaaaaargh! Bayle the Dread! You shall haunt me no longer!”
I think the ghosts in Castle Sol were supposed to reflect the idea that Miquella's bewitching would even have a hold on its victim after death. By all accounts of the story, Godwyn was bewitched and Miquella loved his brother because he was his means to power and it was a tremendous loss; Radahn was not some loyal consort, he was just another of Miquella's playthings and just like the ghosts at Castle Sol, his very soul is now owned by Miquella, which is also why Godwyn's soul death was so grievous for Miquella because it meant his bewitching was over and his soul was free, whether Ranni knew or not I don't think matters. Radagon could of been the part of Merika bewitched or Atleast the bewitching of Merika forced Radagon into existence possibly and what we see as current day is just Miquella holding together what's left bewitched... I think this whole story is just Miquella bewitched everyone he could and just said fuck it I'm on one and removed the rune of death so he could just own everyone's soul forever.
@@vaguegem8325 If going to the Shadow Realm was the plan to begin with then maybe she was aided by him to send homie there and ended up betraying Miquella at the last moment; Ranni speaks as if the Fingers will hunt her down, well maybe the Fingers are bewitched, she knows the second the fingers die Miquella will be moving on her, possibly Blithe becomes bewitched or is no longer protected from being bewitched once the fingers are dead. Maybe this explains the dead fingers on the pillar, Godwyn's fingers would have to be killed before Miquella could bewitch him, which is why Ranni has to flee once they are gone. But if that theory was true and the fingers protect them from being bewitched then how would it make any sense that Merika could be bewitched idk... But if Miquella had the means to kill Fingers first and suddenly Ranni has it, well...
@@vaguegem8325I believe she was halting the new age by doing so buying herself time... I never thought radahn was holding the stars because of ranni he was keeping miquella at bay...radahn was holding his on fate in place
@@LoveYourselfFirst100godwyn isn't an empyrean ...only ranni miquella and malenia are empyrean...theory that Melina may have been an empyrean but we just don't enough about her fully except she was burned in the womb .... likely by messmer
I once heard of a theory that Radahn had been heart stolen by Miquella, and for centuries remained so before he became the Starscourge. The amount of strength exerted holding the stars in place allowed him to snap out of this trance and begin to raise up defenses against Miquella, like establishing a Kingdom in Caelid to place distance between himself and Lyndel, and creating the Redmane Army. Even further changes could be scene in how his great swords changed from a more holier apearence to a more meteoric one. form
If the two fingers lost their purpose and the greater will abandoned the lands between, who or what is imprisoning marika in the erd tree? The Elden beast?
The writing is all over the place tbh. The visuals, the gameplay, the animation ... the overall experience ... its all top notch, no question. But their writing has always been thisi disjointed story with moving parts that are developed individaully and that actually begin mostly with cool visual concepts that are then later given their story and fitted into the whole story togather. And sometimes it works, but sometimes id does not. That is why Messmer story, character feels so random, even in the DLC, almost as an afterthought. He seems to be the overall sotrys later addition. Also, The Putrescent Night is originally tied to Gloam-eyed Queen, but now it was later sort of fitted into the St. Trina narrative. And thematicly and visually it seems off.
Big spoiler ahead, if you watched the video you already know, but just a warning. I liked the dlc but you’ve gotta admit radahn as the final boss was kind of lame It really should’ve been godwyn from a lore and gameplay perspective, I have a couple ideas on how they could’ve made that work, have us fight his soulless corpse while miquella attempts to resurrect his soul and in phase 2 we finally battle the strongest of the demigods before the shattering, with some gross fish body parts because he’s gross now. Yknow that just feels more interesting to me, I like the radahn fight enough by itself, but it’s incredibly weak as a final boss, maybe just have us sent back in time for that “prime radahn experience” because the fight was fun, just felt anticlimactic and disappointing especially when I found radahn to be super interesting in the main game, and I find him less interesting now because of how lacklustre the use of him in the dlc feels. I dunno, feels kind of like a ramble here, but I hope others agree with me here.
It’s funny cause the abandonment of the greater will is told to us outright in the intro, it just goes under everyone’s radar The narrator (Gideon?) literally calls the shattering “A war leading to abandonment by the grater will”
imo Miquella needed Radahn for his consort. Though Radahn did not accept that so Miquella insisted for his idea and used Mohg’s body and forced Radahn soul to enter it. Then we got Radahn 2.0. The idea in the video, vessel and soul was neither a ritual nor necessity. Like I said Miquella only needed consort and he insisted for Radahn which made him to combine Mohg’s body and Radahn’s soul.
Awesome video! It totally didnt realize consort radahn was fused with mohgs body. Like he even uses a similiar attack in which he swipes his sword leaving a delayed flame burst just like mohg does with his hand in one of his attacks. 🤯
Probably gonna sound weird, but the Putrescent Knight is probably my favorite boss in the DLC. It’s just such a weird design and a pretty enjoyable fight
I had a thought and maybe us, the tarnished was Marika's last attempt to create a new age after realizing the greater will was simply leading her on. She realized warriors like Godfrey were truly the only ones capable of tearing it all down and in the end she was right
I believe Radahn accepted the vow, what the vow was is still up to speculation but there is a theory I like. The reason why I believe this is from the Miquella cutscene, Miquella asks that if he uphokds his side of the vow that Radahn would be his Lord. This implies that Radahn said yes but only under a certain condition. Though one could make the argument that Miquella becoming a God was his part of the vow, but I dont believe that. What I believe is that Radahn pitied his younger stepbrother who Idolized him so, and upon hearing Miquella's "innocent request" Radahn could not brung himself to outright say no. So Radahn gave Miquella an impossible task, to defeat him, Miquella was alright with this as Radahn had to die anyways to actually get into the land of shadows. Everything else I agree with in the video though, nice quick and concise summaries. Though the vow of Miquella has caused a great deal of discourse in the community lol, there are so many different views. With the main camps being Radahn denied the vow, he accepted the vow, he was mind controlled into accepting, he accepted at first but denied it later. The fact that Elden Ring Lore has thus much discourse is what makes it my favorite (and least favorite too at times lol) lore they've done.
I subscribed because I really want you to explore and research the lore involving the Living Jars, all the Gaols in the DLC, and the Laboratory in Messmer’s Castle that display the experimentation and horrors involved.
If Romina "weaved the divine element into the scarlet rot," wouldn't the rot exist there before it came out of Malenia in the lands between? Seems likely. The pests and butterflies here weren't discarded by Malenia, Malenia just held them in contempt when she met them whereas Romina embraced them. It seems that the ones in the lands between are a slightly different type based on Malenia's rot vs. the rot originating from Romina
Nono it's Mohg's soul in radahn's Body, that's why he fights so different and with exploding flame attacks. If I'm wrong please tell me why I just want to make sure I get this detail.
5:41 this doesn’t make sense,the things that happen in the dlc happens now in present we are just a few steps behind miquella who is discarding his flesh therefore saint trina as well so it doesn’t add up
I hoped for more alternate endings from the DLC. Like the mother of fingers giving us one at least. I was also sad to discover that the idea of peace from Miquella was basically 'peace comes from me controlling everything and everyone's mind', like a mad dictator.
Honestly many did guess that Miquella was somewhat evil. It was stated that he had many outer gods eyeing him, and he somehow managed to quell the scarlet rot, which meant he somehow stopped an out god from tarnishing his sister. He learnt all of the golden order incantations and improved upon them, only to leave for the halligtree. I don't remember who, but an NPC also mentioned that he was the most fearsome demigod of all.
Just imagine how mad Radahn have to be,he resisted literally rotting from inside out just to not be slave to Miquella and then you kill him making him slave, then coming to litreally hell and just killing him again
it wasnt Radhan specifically. His great rune resisted the rot slowing it down from killing him. or at least thats what the game lore says.
Completely wrong, we kill Radahn to release his eternal suffer from rot madness. Causing him mad was one of Miquella plan, he wasn't choosing it. Then we kill him again to release him from being an eternal slave from Miquella. We're his Savior, twice
Imagine being the strongest demigod in the entire continent then after years of agony one guy 1/10th your size finally kills you. Then you come back to life to fight one last battle and it’s just that fucking guy again
He was never a slave to Miquella. Everyone who thinks that misinterprets the lore, badly. The Japanese version makes it even more clear that this is what he wanted, in case Freyja who knew him personally outright saying so wasn't enough... somehow.
@TheStraightestWhitest yet there is no evidence that he ever promised by his own will, also he ,,promised'' him still in childhood so it could have been careless and he just blindly accepted it as his brother, when being older he got his own rune and ambitions so he changed his mind, plus why would he hold the stars if he really wanted to become his promised consort, pretty sure he didnt care about ranni's or rykar's fate, remember he is carian too so stars have big significance for him, at last there is his fight with malenia, before he went mad because of the rot, he was most likely asked by malenia to fulfill his promise and become the promised consort, if he would wanted to become the consort, he would politely say yes and no fight would occur, yet they fought together and she infected him with the scarlet rot so he evenutally dies and it's guaranteed, still his great rune resisted the rot and he lived even in madness so he would not die, even if some lore is
misinterpret cuz of inaccurate translation, there are still tons of facts and details that just completely disproves that he wanted to become the consort
Greater will really said fuck this shit I'm out. Then Metyr, Placidusax & Marika all went insane lmfao.
uh placid didnt go insane he was just wiaiting for his dragon god to come back
@@Fyre19 prolly was the greater will too, he was elden lord, but dragon, seems too weird for me
@@Fyre19 but his people go insane, all dragon insane, even placidusax insane, he look like renalla when she missing radagon dingdong
@@kaso236 aint it stated clearly that it was a dragon outer god
@@raynaldo9894 i dont even know what that means no dragon went insane cuz of the greater will dieing
Miquella being kinda evil and manipulative was pretty obvious especially with how everyone was gassing him up to be the “kindest” demigod.
I wouldn't exactly call miquella evil. Definitely not good but more gray than evil.
Miquella isn't doing anything for his own benefit, he genuinely believes what he does will solve all of the previous mistakes. He is wrong of course but not evil.
not evil, but more so; lawful neutral. his actions are evil; but still technicallyy wants to bring "world peace"
It’s the whole I can help the world by ‘freeing’ then of their free will and ambition, or in this case forcing them to feel nothing but bliss and love
Miquella is like Madara from Naruto. he is trying to do everything for the greater good but his actions to do so are what bad.
Radhan:"Refuse.."🗿
Miquella:"Damn..We need a new plan.."
neither this one helped him
"Sorry little bro, I don't swing that way. Also your my brother."
@@monkeebones5607 Miquella: “Half...Half-brother..”
@Ainhoaellacuria Radahn: Actually bro, since Marika and Radagon are the same person, we are fully related.
@@buezs Miquella: "But only by father..."👁👅👁
Back in my day, the Lordvessel was a giant bowl, and we carried it ALL THE BLOODY WAY to firelink shrine! THE LONG WAY 'round! Things were different back then, I tell ya. Kids these days with their divine gates and their great runes...
(Giant) Dad is that you?
It saddens me how many people wont get this reference
😂😂😂😂
@@boskilingenfelter9515 Either him or (Havel) Mom.
Dark souls is set after Elden Ring bud, I was hoping that the castle at the end be called Anor Londo
Boggart suggested the two fingers and the greater will were broken and he was absolutely right
I had sex with boggart and I confirm this
Imagine having similar levels of insight regarding the Two Fingers as Ofnir.
Must be all that prawn.
@@SharikhKhan138 And boiled crab hahahaha
lots of people hinted at the two fingers being broken
Prawn Chad right again
The moghlester is the moghlested
Miquellested
Mohg kidnapped Miquella of his own volition.
It's miquellested, if you're going to copy someone else's comment at least do it right
He beat the allegations, but at what cost?
this comment is already tired and dry
i like how marikas first selfcest baby came out as THAT and she was still like "yknow what let me try that again"
It's crazy if you include all the Demi-God children from every marriage, all of them were dodgy in some fashion besides maybe Godwyn and Radahn. Messmer had the snake thing, Melania was rotting, Miquella was eternally youthful, Mohg and Morgott were Omens, Rykard fed himself to a different snake and Ranni, despite acting mostly normal, killed her physical self which could've ended poorly if you refer back to what happened with Godwyn. Absolute weirdos.
@@Mr_Wholegrain
Radahn being an absolute omega-chad
Total Radahn victory.
And if the (dubious given evidence) theory that the tarnished is a demi god, then marika had two normal children... one might have just been a mortal, which i can imagine ran away, causing pain or we're the child of the gloam eyed queen so REVENGE FOR MOTHER AHAHAHA
@@theenderdestruction2362 in tradition with all fromsoft souls like games, the player character is simply a nobody. The Slayer of demons, The Chosen Undead, The Bearer of the Curse, The Good Hunter, the Ashen one and The Tarnished, all nobodies, a central concept in these games
Bruh we all are villains and victims in these games. Except maybe Boc
The onion knights and solaire are also bure bros
The universe makes us all victim and perpetrator of its infinite cruelty... wait wrong game
And Pastor Miriel!
Poor Boc is certainly a victim. He is such a sweetheart but he despises himself because of how he looks, enough to even die in an attempt to appear human, just
because The Golden Order preached that beings like him, should feel shame and know that they are cursed and lesser, born outside of grace for having animalistic features.
Roderika and Hewg are pretty chil too
Its crazy if you really think about it, the possibility that Marika was actually the hero. The two fingers practically formed their own Golden Order under the false pretense of it still following the Greater Will. What if Marika realized this and she revolted? She realized it was all a lie.
Shattering the elden ring caused a civil war that killed countless, not a hero.
@@alfalldoot6715 Marika understood that removing death and other things didn't do well for the world and by that she came to understood that problem was with Two Fingers.
Only other person who was able to get similar understanding was Ranni. She used fragment of death rune to kill her body and soul of Godwyn the Golden. And how she got Fragment from the hound of Marika while living peacefully after that? It was help from Marika in some way. And this led to Shattering.
So things happened like this. Marika became a God of the world with the help of Greater Will. Later she got to know that Greater will can't even communicate and she was following the whims of two fingers who lost their purpose long ago. She sent a part of her as Radagon and learn things from only Empire of magic which Resisted her rule, Carian. In Talismans it is mentioned that Radagon did learn the magic arts and other things Marika learned. He learned about glintstone sorceries and primeval currents and then went back to Marika. His children with Rennela were given title of Demi Gods when he became Elden Lord.
Then Marika decided to start her plan of Shattering. Golden Order was all about Erdtree making every life form eternal in some way by removing death. She just couldn't add death back in and most probably Two Fingers had power over her too. So she decided on shattering the ring and got punished for this. This implied that even at her level she was not some super powerful being who could do anything. Since her powers came from Greater Will and Two fingers had a hand in it they had power over her.
Simply stating. She understood that world is a mess but she can't solve it. She was also a ruthless person in many ways so didn't care about her own children so by using Shattering she sent world into chaos and doubt, and by time Tarnished came back two fingers decided to use players to mend the ring. Marika wanted a chance to appear where someone could solve the Elden Ring issue and Tarnished chosen by Two Fingers happened to be best bet.
Nothing suggests that Marika had any motivation other than grief caused by the death of Godwyn tho
@@alfalldoot6715 Who says killing countless doesn't make a hero? That's a shortsighted view of a bigger picture.
@@orxy5316 Doesn't change what I theorized.
If you think about it, Bayle started the entire game. If he hadn't fought Placidussax and grievously wounded him Placidussax and his God would probably still be in power and would easily be able to quell Marika's early armies.
Godfrey took the heads off not bayle
@@WeWi-dh5ph You're just blatantly wrong, but at least you said it confidently.
@@nautygoesdeep nvm I should’ve never trusted the internet lmao
There's literally heads of placidussax at bayle's body XDDD
@@ane157 Right, hes got two of Placys heads still embedded into his neck, if Bayle didn't chop em off, I don't know what the hell happened 🤣🤣
midra pulling that sword out of his head, with his neck extending is such a gruesome spectacle
He needs more lore. I feel like we got a quarter of his story.
@@voraxumbra1 there’s more than this video alludes to and also much of the Midra stuff in this video is wrong IMO
was really expecting Godwyn to be brought back somehow, instead of Radhann. would have matched the whole "Eclipse" bit from the main game
While I do agree, it does make sense that Radhann was brought back. Godwyn’s soul itself was destroyed during the night of black knives and it would be impossible to recover. Miquella likely saw Radhann to be the next best option and so he attempted to peacefully coerce him into agreeing to become his consort. When that failed, well, the rest is history.
@@THE__FACELESSThe eclipse
@@THE__FACELESSMiquella already had his eyes on Radahn when they were both in their childhood. I think Radahn is just his ultimate end goal.
Hopefully, that's being saved for the next DLC.
@@alejandroblue4675 what next DLC? They are done with Elden Ring.
one more thing about gaius, he probably has a wife, after killing him, theres a house after the fog where there is a albinauric woman riding a wolf, that if you kill, she drops gaius leggings if i remember correctly
I fail to feel any sympathy for the horn people in the shadow realm. The ones above are actually victims of Marika, but the ones in the shadow lands are monsters.
there were still innocent people and genocide is never justified. I do understand why though that jar shit is fuucked. I just don’t sympathize with marika she is a vile person
They were never saints!
The hornsent were just like any other group of people. Horrible atrocities against others is just kind of baked into the cake for human beings it seems. I think the dlc actually did a good job at displaying that, it’s all just one big cycle of violence at the end of the day.
Yea, they definitely created an endless cycle of revenge and bloodshed
Then you fail to see Marika's hypocrisy
It's funny how tarnished doesn't take any sides and kills everybody 😂
Is it me or the hornessents seemed like the bad guys in all of this. They killed marikas people and destroyed her home just to stuff their corpses inside of jars. They found out that midra was messing with the frenzied flame and they stopped him great, but they didnt need to kill and torture all of his people. I think they got what was coming for them.
I think its because miquella is too far gone/beyond evil, in other endings of souls game even the bad ending they makes you as the head of the apocalypse/new age, but if theres a side with miquella ending, you literally will become a puppet of his, no free will at all
Tarnished is just chasing the bag for different builds
@@OomzeAll them weapons and talismans aint gonna find themselves bruh
Godwyn was underutilized in the base game and DLC. i was hopeful he would be part of it. You can find another corpse of his in the shadow realm
He's literally one of the endings of the base game
@@pancakes8670that’s just his corpse, the resurrection of his soul was a loose end.
Also the fia ending suuuucks it barely counts.
@@CreativeUsernameEh Exactly!!!
Yeah honestly thought he was going to be the final boss of the game, considering how close miquella and godwyn were.
It suck but it makes sense, his death is the catalyst of everything. The game strongly emphasizes he's not just dead. He is like 100% absolutely no soul no revive no magic no anything dead. He is literally killed with the rune of death. There was never any coming back for him.
Besides just imo i think he's better served as this mysterious figure that we never know much about, presumably saving his image. I mean look at Miquella, the more we know about him the less of a "hero" he was.
The fact that radahn saw Messmer and Gaius as elder Brothers and the Commander beign One of the eldest scholars of the alabaster lord, could change the order in which marikas children were born:
W/Godfrey: Godwyn, morgott, mohg
W/radagon: messmer, melina, malenia, miquella
W/rennala: radahn, ranni, rykard
This order Is also reflected by morgott, during his intro cutscene.
However, even if the "AS" Is ambiguous, this could explain how Radahn's aunt, Rellana, sided with messmer.
While the war against the Giants Is about to end, Radagon, One of the Champions of the erdtree during this war, could have started the First liurnian war. At the same time, the union between Marika and radagon starts to take Place while Godfrey Is banished. In this situation the four "pathenogenetic" sons were Born.
Each of em Is cursed at birth:
Messmer - Serpent and Fire
Melina - Destined death and Fire
(Lets notice that both have their Powers sealed in the eyes)
Malenia - Scarlet rot
Miquella - eternal childhood
Talking of metyr, i think that Ymir has a good point: since she's unable to communicate with the Greater Will, the 2 fingers She births are faulty, hence theyre unable to interpret the correct messages of the outer God. This way each empyrean After Marika will NEVER act according to the GW's Plan and even Marika starts to drift from It. However, only through this problem, these beings aquired the free will, something that no other outer God follower has.
I mean it sent the elden beast but we killed it lol
messmer and melina were the first two children of marika even before godfrey
I think Messmer and Melina were actually born before Marika got with Godfrey. Miquella and Melania are the youngest since they were born after radagon had kids with Renalla and after Marika had kids with Godfrey.
Marika begins to seperate from the outer will becuase she begins to understand that the two fingers mean nothing, but radagon is like a puppet for the outer will which is why his phase 2 is the elden beast, because he represnts the outer will, not the two fingers. Marika broke the elden ring, radagon reformed it (i think)
@@ceverex5808 yeah pretty much
When I interacted with Ansbach in the Storehouse, as soon as he said that Mogh's body had "disappeared" I knew something was off about Miquella
A nice bit of attention to detail: you cant get Gaius's pants when you go to the round table hold to get his equipment from the Finger reader Lady. Makes sense since he is an albunauric and has no legs
Theres a shack with an albunaeic woman on a wolf near the arena where you fight gaius where you can find them as a drop in the overworld
@@stardust4374they got freaky in that little shack eh?
@@nguyen-vuluu3150We killed him and we killed his wife. What is wrong with us!?!?
Lol it says in the item description of the pants that they were made as fuck you to gaius cuz he had no legs and couldn’t wear them
@@stardust4374thats his wife and you get to murder her
All-Knowing Helm talks about Gideon "shuddered" when he sees "the end that should not be", probably a set-up to the Fingers being completely useless the whole time
>Saint of the butt
>Has no butt
the irony
Bud
Her butt was a centipede.... NO, nononononononononono NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
She has a stinger surrounded by thorns right under her, where the centipede and scorpion meet.
Hear me out.
@@vergil5164 Nope. I'm drawing a fucking line.
One detail that nudged Messmer into my shortlist of favorites was how his comment after defeating us changes between phases.
It went from a, somewhat cocky, ”those stripped of the grace of gold shall all meet death, in the embrace of Messmers flame” to the more demoralized ”o lightless creature, embrace thyne oblivion, as shall i” when he defeats us after giving into his curse and becoming ”as lightless” as us.
I found it tragically wholesome or wholesomely tragic, not sure which one.
Hes basically saying after he kills you that he didn't win either.
Instead of rellana, twin moon knight
They should’ve named it: rellana, sword of messmer
It’s interesting how most bosses have multiple names or titles
Messmer's sword goes between her twin moons if you know what I mean.
@GeraltofRivia22 correction: she wanted Messmer’s sword between her twin moons. I think Messmer just blue balled her for over a thousand years instead lmao
I found the dead bodies outside Midra's mansion very creepy tbh...
When I first saw them from a distance, I thought they were some sort of birds..
But when I got closer and saw that those were not birds but were bodies with no head/skull and the spine sticking out.. yeah that was hella creepy
Miquella: Radahn please become my consort!
Radahn: Over my dead body!
Miquella: I accept those terms.
Midra didn’t want or follow the way of the frenzied flame it attacked them and Midra took in the madness to save them
Midra doesn't but Nanaya definitely did. Her torch states as much. If Midra was not fully aware of the flame, then Nanaya was definitely tricking him and trying to turn him into a Lord by making him "Endure," the eternal agony of the hornsent's crucifixion, hoping he'd break eventually and release all that stored up torment into the world.
@@mrct592 I think she intentionally did this as a form of revenge for the people living in the manse, the slaves and all. Maybe she wanted Midra to finally acquire the full power of Frenzied lord and burn all of the land of shadows as an act of vengeance
@@raiyankhan8560 I could certainly see Nanaya as a shaman that tried to do the same thing as Marika. Take revenge against the hornsent. One became a god to enact holy vengeance and the other tried to nuke the entire afterlife.
I'll be honest, I never noticed the two heads still biting Bayle, I was busy getting my ass kicked.
Damn man I remember 2 years ago just started Elden Ring and got into the souls games me was so curious about the story to Elden Ring. I looked up so many videos found Vaati and found your “Lore of the Main Bosses in Elden Ring” video. I miss 2022 so seeing this title which is just the same title with DLC in it reminds me of your other video from 2 years ago. It’s a weird connection but 2022 was such a banger year for me. Thanks for the lore videos.
All this really teaches me is that Radahn was the highest level of badass that you could possibly achieve and if he really wanted to he could’ve toppled the entire Lands Between
I thought Midra was actually AGAINST the Frenzied Flame, and that he was enduring its influence this whole time, spurred on by his wife saying 'Endure'. Only after fighting us, does he essentially say 'ah fuck it, i don't care anymore. the world can burn for all I care at this point', and allows the frenzied flame to take over.
One cooler thing to mention about Rellana is, as obvious as it may be, her second sword is supposed to be modelled after Messmer’s design with the red ornaments.
Incredible video, very informative yet brief, my favorite way of explaining.
Midras "weakness" was his past attachments and ultimately his kindness. we can see that he can actually become the lord of frenzied flame whenever he wants simply by pulling the sword out, but he endures until he breaks.
he really did beat the accusations omg.
No? Kidnapping, murder, torture, cult leader…
@@CreativeUsernameEh there is a thing called ‘joking’
@@CreativeUsernameEhwho did he kidnap besides miquella who miquellested him into doing that
My only gripe would be, that its unlikely that "consort" in the context of relation between a god and their lord means spouse.
Its more likely that its meaning is the obsolete version, which is a more general companion or someone to be in harmony with.
I think so because a) Elden Ring likes its archaic English, b) being a spouse never comes up during any cases we know, except Marika and Godfrey and c) its seems that the really important thing is that there has to be a god and a lord representing/accompanying said god.
It seems that romantic relationship, while possible, is not expected/considered.
Which makes sense, considering we are talking about godhood and such, romance seems incredibly trivial, however funny the Miqq femboy memes may be.
she was holding his backbone which is his courage, but he had none no more. its so obvious.
there is something that bothers me about Bayle’s heart. Igon swore to feast upon it and the description tells us about it consuming the one who eats it. It makes me think we didn’t get the whole quest for Igon where he asks for the heart and gets consumed by it. Because there is no way our tarnished gets consumed by anything, he is immune to destined death, deathblight, frenzy (I mean he can’t be permanently afflicted) and eternal sleep, as well as magma wyrm metamorphosis (you can wipe out the whole dragon population and still not become a wyrm)
I will add that the Boss of Trina, is the horse revived as his protector, as his horse of Radahn is equal to the LOVE of Radahn, this part will stay with the LOVE part of Miquella. Makes perfect sense.
bruh
That's some big stretch right there.
Messmer: guy with big snake inside him and mommy issues.
Divine beast dancing lion: two dudes in a costume dancing
Romina: quelaag 3.0
Rellana: rule 63 pontiff Sulyvahn
Gaius: Radahn but bad
Putrescent knight: a high skeleton riding a melting horse.
Metyr: “OMG what the heck is that thing”
Bayle: CURSE YOU BAYLE
Scadutree: evil sunflower
Midra: not mid
Consort radahn: Godwyn would have been better I don’t care if his soul is dead it would have been cooler than radahn again.
Nothing Mid about Midra has the same energy as Joker saying there's nothing Mere about that Mortal about Batman.
Some people, Couple years ago: "woah... Wonder if we will ever fight Radahn in his prime"
*Gets to fight (supposedly) prime Radahn in the DLC
Also people: "BooOoO, RadAhN AgaIn? It'S sO LaMEe... ThiS BosS sUcKs!"
F**k Godwyn, by the way
@@kevinferdian746 literally the only people who wanted to fight radahn again are radahn simps, not to mention that consort radahn is a bad fight to begin with( since his second phase just makes your Framerates tank).
Also don’t talk s**t about Godwyn he deserves better.
@@LauranceDAfirstvicar Godwyn is a chump. Bro got slapped by 110lbs unenhanced human females, LMAO!
@@kevinferdian746Godwyn was setup to return, unlike Radahn
3:13 that transition was neat
0:19 Miquella is the main villain, not Messmer
Marika is the main villain, not Miquella
Miquella is the true villain, but Messmer is the "main" villain,
WE are the villain, Miquella and Messmer are just in the way and since we have no autonomy in the dlc we are basically relegated to the role of a murderhobo
Radahn keeps catching the biggest strays 😭😭😭
All the strays for being strong and kind smh
@3:15 That transition was so smooth 👌👌
Little did miquella know.
If just got into a maid costume and gave everyone hugs and kisses he came across, that woulda saved the world, easy peezy.
Bro just love it when they have a Fatalis Version in Elden ring Basically works the same way but completely different even tho we carved Fatalis part the hide never stop growing and soon the Hunter will Become another Fatalis
That's just fan speculation btw. There is no evidence beyond Fatalis equipment fixing itself when it gets damaged. And even that is called into question in GenU where it's revealed that they regularly replace the Pokke sword (the only thing assumed to fix itself) because people keep mining from it.
@@kingofflames738 thx for telling me thought it was legit didnt go too deep into lore just the hunt itself
the most succinct elden ring lore summary ive seen so far
Placidusax has 4 heads, not 5, as seen in the Old Lord's Talisman, and only 2 neck stalks with missing heads
that was an amazing video, everything was easy to understand and flowed well. very well made. i wish i could subscribe twice.
things take a dark turn when you remember about the golden epitaph and how it was made as a prayer for Godwyn's rest, given his body was alive but his soul was no longer there. not my theory tho, but i can't find the op on twitter
Now you get it! Godwyn was plan A, Radahn is plan B!
@@00vondough00 He has a sister who would be "willing" (I don't know if she's charmed to hell and back or legit loyal) but he has to go after his brothers.
@@en-men-lu-ana6870 Malenia is an Empryean herself so she can’t be Lord to a God. It’s possible that Godwyn was Plan A and then Ranni fucked it up by killing his soul in such a way it was impossible to bring him back.
“He is the most fearsome of the Empyreans”
Wait… Wdym fearsome?
And then we found out
Consort doesn’t necessarily mean spouse. There’s probably a lot less incest going on in Elden Ring than people think.
I dunno, it seems pretty gay to me.
cope
yea sure.
I literally couldn’t give less of a sh!t either way, Elden Ring is just typically a bit more nuanced than that.
@@cjh.1920 facts dont care about your feelings gaybo
elden ring has one of the best tied-in/consistent storyline lores for a game. Its too bad I'm too busy dying over and over to care enough to find it.
Marika's two fingers didnt always have zero contact with the greater will. They communed with the GW just fine, until the shattering. Thats when the GW abandoned Marika and the Lands Between
an amazing video. just one tiny correction here, Bayle did not challenge Placidussax to a fight. He ambushed the Old Dragon Lord and somehow manage to take not just one, but three of his heads. They clashed and realising defeat was certain, Bayle fled. Placidussax before going into his deep sleep in a place where time stands still, declared that the drakes would be hunted enemies forever.
So when Miquella became a god, he became one without an outer god behind it? I thought in order to become a god you need an outer god
apparently the method he devised did not require one.
since his method was slightly different from marika (as he rid of his alter, but markia did not rid of her alter radan.)
I very much liked how direct and to the point this video is... 12 minutes were enough to get an understanding of the lore.... Other RUclipsrs make 1.5 hours just for one boss lore..... Thanks man
So everything was going right but then we came in.....
You missed a major part of Messmirs story. He actually curses his mother right before his death. In his last moments he accepted what his mother did to him yet defies it with his dying breath. I always liked that final touch
I'm so butt hurt miquella was the fucking bad guy all along, I can only equate this disappointment too when my boy told me he thought Robb stark was gonna be the hero of Asoiaf and then he got to the red wedding and almost gave up reading the series....
This video deserves more views, really well done! Love your editing!
messmer the most sympathetic boss till he is 1 shot and you die there is no more sympathy no wonder your mother left you
YOURE TELLING ME I’M THE REASON I HAD TO FIGHT CONSORT RADAHN? WHAT HAVE I DONE
Mesmer is basically vlad the immpaler
really great video!! i appreciate that you explain the lore as it is in game, without adding in wild/out of character theories, it makes it really easy to understand
oddly enough the knight guarding st trina actually rides a horse like radahn and if you were to combine his 2 great swords together you get his cresent moon sword. I think there is more to that boss than you have unpacked here :)
St. Trina/Miquella really is obsessed with Radahn.
Don't blame them tbh.
7:24
Igon: “Curse you, Bayle!
I hereby vow! You will rue this day!
Behold, a true drake warrior! And I, Igon!
Your fears made flesh!
Solid of scale you might be, foul dragon...
But I will riddle with holes your rotten hide!
With a hail of harpoons!
With every last drop of my being!”
(After Bayle The Dread is killed)
“Graaaaaargh!
Bayle the Dread!
You shall haunt me no longer!”
I think the ghosts in Castle Sol were supposed to reflect the idea that Miquella's bewitching would even have a hold on its victim after death.
By all accounts of the story, Godwyn was bewitched and Miquella loved his brother because he was his means to power and it was a tremendous loss; Radahn was not some loyal consort, he was just another of Miquella's playthings and just like the ghosts at Castle Sol, his very soul is now owned by Miquella, which is also why Godwyn's soul death was so grievous for Miquella because it meant his bewitching was over and his soul was free, whether Ranni knew or not I don't think matters.
Radagon could of been the part of Merika bewitched or Atleast the bewitching of Merika forced Radagon into existence possibly and what we see as current day is just Miquella holding together what's left bewitched... I think this whole story is just Miquella bewitched everyone he could and just said fuck it I'm on one and removed the rune of death so he could just own everyone's soul forever.
ranni killed godwyn to keep miquella from ascending maybe?
@@vaguegem8325 If going to the Shadow Realm was the plan to begin with then maybe she was aided by him to send homie there and ended up betraying Miquella at the last moment; Ranni speaks as if the Fingers will hunt her down, well maybe the Fingers are bewitched, she knows the second the fingers die Miquella will be moving on her, possibly Blithe becomes bewitched or is no longer protected from being bewitched once the fingers are dead.
Maybe this explains the dead fingers on the pillar, Godwyn's fingers would have to be killed before Miquella could bewitch him, which is why Ranni has to flee once they are gone.
But if that theory was true and the fingers protect them from being bewitched then how would it make any sense that Merika could be bewitched idk... But if Miquella had the means to kill Fingers first and suddenly Ranni has it, well...
He never charmed radahn that's why he sent malenia
@@vaguegem8325I believe she was halting the new age by doing so buying herself time... I never thought radahn was holding the stars because of ranni he was keeping miquella at bay...radahn was holding his on fate in place
@@LoveYourselfFirst100godwyn isn't an empyrean ...only ranni miquella and malenia are empyrean...theory that Melina may have been an empyrean but we just don't enough about her fully except she was burned in the womb .... likely by messmer
I once heard of a theory that Radahn had been heart stolen by Miquella, and for centuries remained so before he became the Starscourge. The amount of strength exerted holding the stars in place allowed him to snap out of this trance and begin to raise up defenses against Miquella, like establishing a Kingdom in Caelid to place distance between himself and Lyndel, and creating the Redmane Army. Even further changes could be scene in how his great swords changed from a more holier apearence to a more meteoric one. form
The spine nanya was clutching was her dead child
Pretty sure it was of a failed lord of frenzy flame, as stated in nanaya’a torch. She made it from the failed lord’s spine
No evidence for that
Maybe she was pregnant in the art
@@Austib_ she is clutching her stomach in the portraits
@@Austib_ and dies clutching the spine and holding it to her stomach
If the two fingers lost their purpose and the greater will abandoned the lands between, who or what is imprisoning marika in the erd tree? The Elden beast?
#justiceformohg
a lore video that its not 45 min great work!
Man, im missing out on these games. Art and story of the are amazing.
The writing is all over the place tbh. The visuals, the gameplay, the animation ... the overall experience ... its all top notch, no question. But their writing has always been thisi disjointed story with moving parts that are developed individaully and that actually begin mostly with cool visual concepts that are then later given their story and fitted into the whole story togather. And sometimes it works, but sometimes id does not. That is why Messmer story, character feels so random, even in the DLC, almost as an afterthought. He seems to be the overall sotrys later addition. Also, The Putrescent Night is originally tied to Gloam-eyed Queen, but now it was later sort of fitted into the St. Trina narrative. And thematicly and visually it seems off.
That midra cutscene is terrifying but I can't stop rewatching it, it's so fucking cool
Big spoiler ahead, if you watched the video you already know, but just a warning.
I liked the dlc but you’ve gotta admit radahn as the final boss was kind of lame
It really should’ve been godwyn from a lore and gameplay perspective, I have a couple ideas on how they could’ve made that work, have us fight his soulless corpse while miquella attempts to resurrect his soul and in phase 2 we finally battle the strongest of the demigods before the shattering, with some gross fish body parts because he’s gross now.
Yknow that just feels more interesting to me, I like the radahn fight enough by itself, but it’s incredibly weak as a final boss, maybe just have us sent back in time for that “prime radahn experience” because the fight was fun, just felt anticlimactic and disappointing especially when I found radahn to be super interesting in the main game, and I find him less interesting now because of how lacklustre the use of him in the dlc feels. I dunno, feels kind of like a ramble here, but I hope others agree with me here.
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It’s funny cause the abandonment of the greater will is told to us outright in the intro, it just goes under everyone’s radar
The narrator (Gideon?) literally calls the shattering “A war leading to abandonment by the grater will”
U can imagine just being on the front lines and seeing mesmer rellana and gauis charging at yall the same time💀💀
No way Miquella's GODLY CHARMS *only* failed on Radahn. Radahn without Scarlet Rot was the true rightful Elden Lord
imo Miquella needed Radahn for his consort. Though Radahn did not accept that so Miquella insisted for his idea and used Mohg’s body and forced Radahn soul to enter it. Then we got Radahn 2.0. The idea in the video, vessel and soul was neither a ritual nor necessity. Like I said Miquella only needed consort and he insisted for Radahn which made him to combine Mohg’s body and Radahn’s soul.
Awesome video! It totally didnt realize consort radahn was fused with mohgs body. Like he even uses a similiar attack in which he swipes his sword leaving a delayed flame burst just like mohg does with his hand in one of his attacks. 🤯
Love the video thanks for the simplified explanation
Probably gonna sound weird, but the Putrescent Knight is probably my favorite boss in the DLC. It’s just such a weird design and a pretty enjoyable fight
"She caused the spiders to swole in size"
mf that's a scorpion
God damn thank you so much for this faster paced video, Vaati has become too much of a snoozefest
I appreciate the ending of you running around. xD
Well made video my guy! 10/10! Keep up the great content.
I’m liking just cause of that sick romina bud weapon lineup edit
been getting heavy into elden ring recently, this gotta deserve a subscribe fs
I had a thought and maybe us, the tarnished was Marika's last attempt to create a new age after realizing the greater will was simply leading her on. She realized warriors like Godfrey were truly the only ones capable of tearing it all down and in the end she was right
I believe Radahn accepted the vow, what the vow was is still up to speculation but there is a theory I like. The reason why I believe this is from the Miquella cutscene, Miquella asks that if he uphokds his side of the vow that Radahn would be his Lord. This implies that Radahn said yes but only under a certain condition. Though one could make the argument that Miquella becoming a God was his part of the vow, but I dont believe that. What I believe is that Radahn pitied his younger stepbrother who Idolized him so, and upon hearing Miquella's "innocent request" Radahn could not brung himself to outright say no. So Radahn gave Miquella an impossible task, to defeat him, Miquella was alright with this as Radahn had to die anyways to actually get into the land of shadows. Everything else I agree with in the video though, nice quick and concise summaries.
Though the vow of Miquella has caused a great deal of discourse in the community lol, there are so many different views. With the main camps being Radahn denied the vow, he accepted the vow, he was mind controlled into accepting, he accepted at first but denied it later. The fact that Elden Ring Lore has thus much discourse is what makes it my favorite (and least favorite too at times lol) lore they've done.
I subscribed because I really want you to explore and research the lore involving the Living Jars, all the Gaols in the DLC, and the Laboratory in Messmer’s Castle that display the experimentation and horrors involved.
If Romina "weaved the divine element into the scarlet rot," wouldn't the rot exist there before it came out of Malenia in the lands between? Seems likely. The pests and butterflies here weren't discarded by Malenia, Malenia just held them in contempt when she met them whereas Romina embraced them. It seems that the ones in the lands between are a slightly different type based on Malenia's rot vs. the rot originating from Romina
Nono it's Mohg's soul in radahn's Body, that's why he fights so different and with exploding flame attacks. If I'm wrong please tell me why I just want to make sure I get this detail.
yeah you are wrong , is radhan soul in the body of mohg .
5:41 this doesn’t make sense,the things that happen in the dlc happens now in present we are just a few steps behind miquella who is discarding his flesh therefore saint trina as well so it doesn’t add up
I hoped for more alternate endings from the DLC.
Like the mother of fingers giving us one at least.
I was also sad to discover that the idea of peace from Miquella was basically 'peace comes from me controlling everything and everyone's mind', like a mad dictator.
Honestly many did guess that Miquella was somewhat evil. It was stated that he had many outer gods eyeing him, and he somehow managed to quell the scarlet rot, which meant he somehow stopped an out god from tarnishing his sister. He learnt all of the golden order incantations and improved upon them, only to leave for the halligtree. I don't remember who, but an NPC also mentioned that he was the most fearsome demigod of all.
The one thing the dlc has taught me that in elden ring, sin begets sin and evil breeds evil
Golden Mask also knew the gods were full of it.