If you guys find any inaccuracies with this video, please drop a comment and let me know so I can attach them to this comment! - The Greater Will was not an outer god. Apparently he's in his OWN TIER, so we've got like... four layers of god tiers going on here. - Messmer was actually OLDER than Radahn, so he was born before him. Who is the dad? Nobody knows. - Caelid only seemed to get the scarlet rot outbreak AFTER Melania's fight with Radahn!
About Messmer's parentage, I'd say that Radagon is his father because Radagon's leitmotif can be found in Messmer's ost but without the melody that symbolizes the Elden Ring since Messmer is spurned from grace. But he definitely is older than Radahn so this makes the timeline a little fuzzy.
@@chrisdepountis3430 Probably a bastard child, born to Marika and Radagon before she married Godfrey. Another possibility is that Messmer is Godfrey's son, but the only connection I can make between the 2 of them is the fact that Messmer's soldiers have a stomp attack that's reminiscent of Godfrey's.
messmer is almost certainly the son of radagon (red hair, fire, name), and older brother of melina, both having one closed eye and a kindling inside them.
@@humbleservant7797 I thought the red hair made it too obvious. Plus I'd say it's a reasonable point since the same goes for most characters' themes in the Dlc. They share leitmotifs with other characters they're connected to (Rellana with Rennala, Midra with the nomadic merchant theme, Bayle with Placidusax's 2nd phase, Romina with Malenia). I guess the other two characteristics that hint at Messmer's father being Radagon would be the red hair, as you mentioned, and the fact that he too suffers from an ailment like Miquella and Malenia.
@@Bori.1776 i agree. It'd seem Mesmer and Melina were the first childs of Marika, potentialy even before or right after her ascencion as a God at the gates of divinity
What item describes that? If it is Gaius's remembrance, it says that both him and Messmer were as elder brothers to the lion. As elder brothers, not literally elder brothers to him
Fun fact: if you go by the lore of tower of suppression that is present right between the Lands Between and if you place the shadow realm map according to the description on the cloud in centre of the lands between, you will see the gap filled almost perfectly and the Shaman village is right beneath the Royal Capital Leyndal. All the divine towers in the Lands between also seems to encircle the tower of supression according to the map.
Mohg shared his omen blood with miquella, in an attempt to grow him into his own consort for his dynasty. This "accursed blood" was what was needed for miquella to enter the land of shadow, which is why it is also the access point for us to transport there as well. So Mohg wasnt an arbitrary pick "hoping for someone to come along and kill him", miquella could access the realm of shadow by charming mohg to kidnap and share his blood with him
So is omen blood and hornsent blood the same thing? Or are they separate things tied together by the crucible? What does this mean for Dungeater's ending? Does Gold Mask know his dlc lore particularly when it comes to Metyr when mending the golden order?
@@gublaman Omens are just Hornsent that are mysteriously born within the Grace of Marika (Base game). They are called Omens because they are a reminder of what happened in the past and what the future could be.
That is true but I still find it odd that Miquella was essentially waiting for someone to kill Mohg after he entered the land of Shadow, as he needed the body as a vessel for his consort... If no one came along and killed Mohg, Miquella's plan was screwed... And it's even more amusing that Mohg is in what seems to be the most out of the way, obscure to reach place in the entire lands between
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@@rawgamesnippets9412 he sent Malenia after Radahn (because maybe Radahn was not cooperative, and that is why Malenia marched through Godrick), he didn't expect her to fail. My guess the plan was to use Malenia to kill Radahn and then Mohg as well, but Radahn was stronger than expected and Malenia nuked herself out of the equation. So it was not up to a random nobody to kill both, but his most trusted ally who actually happens to be the best fighter in the lands between. This makes sense for me, the plan just went sideways.
The Goldmask ending isn’t just restoring what came before. Corwhyn constantly claims that Goldmask must have gone mad with blasphemous thoughts after he discovers the truth of Radagons identity. When you read his mending rune it says something along the lines of an order without the fickle will of any gods. Goldmask is removing the greater will (and probably other gods) and their influence from the world, allowing you to become an Elden lord that isn’t a puppet of some god. Though it isn’t the flashiest, it’s probably the ending that Ansbach would have wanted when he says “do it for us”. Probably my favorite or second favorite behind Ranni’s
The greater will isn't a outer god and is never described as one. Also the greater will is not part of the golden order. The golden order follows the principles of the greater will but it doesn't have direct connection to the greater will. The greater will is basically the will of the universe. The golden order is connected to the elden beast which is a outer god. So what gold mask does is removes the influence that the outer gods had over the world. Gold mask finds out that the golden order isn't really following the greater will like they claim to be. The dlc expands on this idea with metyr who mentioned that she hasn't been in contact with the greater will since the elden beast landed. Aka he makes the world follow the will of the universe and follow the laws of nature compared to the agenda of a outer god.
Sadly it is a pretty terrible summary with cause and effect switched around like crazy, wild speculations partly presented as fact and the timeline of certain events just completly out of whack. Its a nice write up but not much more.
I always wondered why varre was the first npc you meet when you start the game but now it makes so much sense. Miquellas plan relies on you killing Mohg, and by placing varre where all tarnished end up in the lands between he leads you in the direction of mohgwyn palace. If every tarnished starts out at the first step one of them will eventually follow varre to Mohg and kill him
That would make sense if you weren't told to not use the relic until called upon. You weren't supposed to meet mohg until his dynasty was complete and varre just resented the golden order and turned on their own people in spite. Varre specifically states to not use it until called upon
One thing i can say, I think Mogh and Morgot were banished cause the Omen are more than likely related to Hornsent, which are the people who cut up Marikas people in her village and put them into jars
Yeah I think so too! I interpreted it as her growing up with the horns being seen as a blessing from the crucible. So naturally Marika would see it as a curse, and her getting children with the characteristics of the crucible might be a sign of its' influence seeping through her new order, which would probably scare and repulse her, so they were sealed away.
I'm no expert but pretty sure there's lore about the previous rot vessel that was sealed in the Lake of Rot by the blue dancer. Also pretty sure Rellana LEFT her moon when she joined Messmer, and was later found by none other than Ranni.
I've watched many, many videos to claim to explain the lore to this game. Some 2 hours long, some 4 hours long. They all confused me even more that i already was. This video is the first one that gives me some actual understanding of what this game is actually about!! So thank you. From a non gamer that just likes stories ❤
It’s implied that part of the reason for Marika finally ordering Mesmer to kill the honrsent was due to the hornsent at some point cursing Marika and the golden order believers with the omen curse after she betrayed them. When they did this is not directly stated I think, but that in addition to her already large hatred for them is implied to be the reason.
Honestly, most of Marika's problems line up with some ancient society that she and Godfrey stomped down at some point or another. Messmer's Abyssal Serpent? Well, before Rykard moved in, there was an Ancient Serpent Cult living in Mount Gelmir that venerated and supported the God Devouring Serpent, so it probably got stomped, leading to Messmer's problems. The Omen curse has an obvious source, but the Scarlet Rot being the way it is can be traced back to Messmer torching the Church of the Bud, leading to Romina becoming the way she is now and the Rot taking on a new form.
What made me happy with the dlc is that it made Marika much more of an interesting character. In the base game she was too vague. Also Messmer, his bossfight, his knights, his legacy dungeon, his lore. All of them are s tier in my mind
I'm all for leaving some things unanswered and vague, but with this game, I'm honestly convinced, that even Miyazaki himself doesn't have most of the answers we're looking for.
yeah there was an interview he did that basically kinda confirmed that there's no "cannon" type story - a lot of it is vague and left open to interpretation. Miyazaki said he watches some lore videos and finds it interesting to see how people interpreted it
Thing is this is GRR Martin's fault. Every fromsoft game has always been vague but never the type to not actually answer, it was more of a, find it type of story telling not like Elden Ring where even if you find everything it doesn't answer shit. I'd argue Miyazaki is a better lore maker than Martin, also what's with all the incest and miquella thing with Martin anyway?😅 And you know it's him adding it when all these years Miyazaki never added these types of plot points to any of his games. I wish Elden Ring was developed by Miyazaki alone and not with his interference
I love how godfrey calls himself the FIRST elden lord. It perfectly fits with the narative of the order of light trying to delete the acient history. When new mondarchy was established on dust of other, always the XXX the first came into play. Nothing say that you are the first "new normal" better then that hahaha
I have no proof, but I feel like it would make sense to suggest that both Marika and Radagon were both shamans, and its how they were able to seemlessly switch between bodies.
Great video! But I wanted to point something out: it's confirmed in item description that Messmer was an older brother to Radahn, so he was born before or while Radagon was still married to Rennala. So probably Messmer crusade happened while Godfrey was still Elden Lord (maybe it's the whole reason why Godfrey lost his grace, since he had crucible knights as his personal guards and was close to Morgott - it seems he had no problem with the crucible). We're still not sure who was Messmer's (and Melina's) father. Maybe it was Godfrey himself and their red hair is due to the duality that Marika was suffering when she was split into Radagon or maybe it was Radagon himself in an extramarital relationship while Marika was still married to Godfrey - another potential reason for him losing his grace.
Don’t forget the wandering Mausoleums and graves also have the bodies of Marika’s soulless children that she abandoned. So in reality she’s got like 20+ kids
That's honestly never confirmed... It's more likely that it may just be other members of the golden bloodline. Like Godrick and Godefroy. Godwyn's children and grandchildren and great grandchildren etc. Since Godrick is described as a distant relative.
I saw another video that is hypothesizing that those are actually us, the tarnished because on the beginning video the walking mausoleums can be heard.
39:50 Miquella is quite literally only one or two steps ahead of you the entire time… he’s at the Scadutree base where younsee the Avatar when you arrive at the Scadukeep and his Great Rune breaks.
They missed an opportunity to have Rannie show up if you had completed her quest to help you fight Miquella and Radahn. Two Empyrean’s and their chosen simps.
Great video, a few notes: the crucible is akin to the primordial soup, but made of flesh, where all life was born from, and it wasn’t just horns that were associated with them but also wings, spikes, tails, etc, all present as “aspect of the crucible” incantations Regarding fingers, I find it funny that 2 are holy, 3 are blasphemous but 5 are the amount of humans and most bosses The trolls are descendent of the defeated fire giants, and they communed with their god of flame through their eyes in the chest, that’s why trolls have holes in their chests where the eye should be and can’t use fire magic
It specifically states that he is awaiting the return of his god. He's even reaching towards the heavens in a spiral like the tower with the gate atop in the DLC.
@@CrusaderCitadel Right, but like the Spiral, that ‘god’ likely refers to the Greater Will or some outer dragon god. I just mean that Placi is a god/lord in the same way that Marika/radagon are.
47:00 Hard disagree, the age of order is a modified configuration made by goldmask which would remove the gods out of the equation. By changing it this way any physical holder of the elden ring would disappear removing the need for Empyreans to replace the current god. This would effectively make it so the greter will would have to immediately intervene when willing to do things or use the fingers as prophets to relay messeges to its followers so can do it instead. In short the perfect order would have turned the golden order into the current religions we have. Also the fingers would have a new found purpose in this configuration
One interesting thing of note is that it seems like Marika's people, the Shaman, were first the Numen. A race said to be from somewhere else. So the Hornsent may have just been xenophobic. Which is awful. But pretty common.
Or the description of numen being from another world just refers to the land of shadow. After Marika rose to godhood, it seems she used the elden ring to shift her and the hornsents home "continent" to a separate plane and after removing death from the ring, basically used the now transfixed landmass as a dumping grounds in place of an afterlife. I'll be honest tho, bc of Miyazaki's world building and design style, quite a bit of connecting pieces are missing in favor of ambiguity and interpretation thus leaving them more for gameplay reasons. How do we and the others get to the land of shadow? How did Miquella acquire Mohg's corpse? If he already left his body behind, how was Miquella divesting his flesh again at the crosses? I can usually ignore lore gaps as long as they don't have direct influence on gameplay and the played story.
I feel like your description of Goldmask's ending as "more of the same" is unfair. Goldmask removes Marika's influence over the Lands Between, quite possibly by convincing the Greater Will itself (though the DLC calls this into question, as the Mother of Fingers wasn't even talking to the Greater Will, so it seems odd that the Greater Will would talk to a random monk). Goldmask also indirectly destroyed the Golden Order (which holds at the core of its belief system that Marika is the one true god), but left the Elden Ring intact. In other words, he used admin privileges to make the Elden Ring a read only file, then killed himself so Marika couldn't get the password to his account. No more Shatterings.
...false. She was an empyrean, same as Marika and the Gloam Eyed Queen. Marika "won" the candidacy to godhood, and Grandam resents her for it. Grandam even calls her a whore, implying Marika may have slept her way to the top.
@@youngbloodbanana3376actually this isn’t made up, i’m not certain that she’s an empyrean but she most definitely hates marika and did call her a whore
Worth pointing out that the Erdtree is confirmed to have come from the Crucible, and item descriptions refer to the Crucible as "the Erdtree's primordial form"
I feel like when the Lands of Shadow were broken off and hidden (if that's true), Merika also did the same to Farum Azula. She knew the old Dragon Lord was sleeping there and placed Maliketh there to watch the portal and keep Destined Death away from the Lands Between. Melina simply found a loophole that her mom left which is her ability to teleport you places.
All of Marika’s cursed children have names that start with an M, Godwyn does not and was clearly the favorite because of it. The only question is, who was his father? Really?
Consort can and usually does mean spouse or romantic partner, but it can also just mean associate or partner in general (example from Merriam-Webster: "the criminal and his consorts"). So it's possible that Miquella is referring to that. My guess is that the word is used in the game precisely due to its possibility of being used in 2 different ways. DLC SPOILERS AHEAD!!! ==================== ==================== ==================== Personally I believe that Miquella is using it as the non-romantic variant due to the fact that he can make anyone love him anyways, and as such wouldn't really require a promise. I also believe that Radahn did make the promise of his own free will and in the DLC is still there of his own choice, mainly due to the fact that at one point in the DLC Miquella's Great Rune is broken and his spell on everyone is broken, which would include Radahn. Sure, after he come back out of the Gate of Divinity as a god, he might place Radahn under his spell again, but that only happens about a third of the fight in, meaning Radahn was at the very least waiting there for Miquella and protecting the Gate of Divinity of his own choice, and at that point I find it hard to believe he wouldn't go as far as actually being Miquella's consort of his own choice as well. As for Miquella's plan, it's far more complex than you seem to think. Nothing was truly left to chance. Radahn made a pact with Jerren to ensure that Radahn would get killed sooner or later, the only caveat being that it had to be an honorable death since he was a warrior. Mohg was also going to be defeated sooner or later as Miquella was guiding the Tarnished that we meet in the DLC to Mohgwyn palace. Malenia was also part of the plan, which is why she marched on Radahn in Caelid and attempted to kill him using her Scarlet Rot Bloom (and failed). It's also very likely that Mohg and possibly Varre were manipulated to allow for Tarnished to enter the Mohgwyn palace far easier than it realistically would've been. I mean, think about it, why would Varre be giving out a medal that teleports you to an underground palace that's otherwise only accessable from the Mountaintop of the Giants if at the same time he and Mohg don't want people to arrive there before the Mohgwyn Dynasty is established? And this kind of manipulation is very characteristic of Miquella where only small nuances are manipulated to make his influence undetectable, which we also clearly see in the NPCs in the DLC. The Hornsent still hates Tarnished and only puts up with them because they're serving under Miquella's banner. Sir Ansbach remains somewhat loyal to Mohg, or at the very least retains a certain level of respect for him, but still follows Miquella who has disrespected and disgraced Mohg with his manipulation. Even the fight between Malenia and Radahn was probably purposelly planned to happen at the time when the demigods were all fighting each other to get their great runes so as to make it undetectable that Miquella was planning anything. Mohg's kidnapping can also easily be chalked up to those same motives. Frankly, Miquella's plan was near perfect and the only mistake he made was not expecting that someone would possibly be able to defeat him and Radahn together. As for the timeline of Miquella entering the Land of Shadow, I believe this happens before we even arrive to kill Mohg. It's not unprecedented for a demigod's body to be alive but their spirit dead, or vice-versa, so it's possible that Miquella's body in the cocoon is technically alive, but his soul had already passed into the Land of Shadow. That does raise the question of how Miquella could've been discarding the "flesh of his body" throughout his journey in the Land of Shadow, but I think it's not really his "true" flesh and is more akin to the shadowy substance that we see the commoners in there made of. It could also be him severing his "ties" to his physical body, basically making it impossible for him to return to it unless he becomes a god. I think this has some evidence for it too since we never find any actual body parts of Miquella, but we do find St. Trina and Miquella's great rune that he discarded, in which case the lack of actual body parts would imply a more metaphorical or symbolic discarding of his flesh.
The Erdtree civilization and Golden Order aren’t the same thing. The GO was created only after Marika sealed Destined Death, which was much later than the creation of the Erdtree, after the Gloam Eye incident. Afaik we don’t know if this happened during Godfrey’s tenure, but it’s likely this was either after his banishment or shortly before it. Godfrey is very much associated with the early Age of Plenty and Crucible, before the Erdtree becomes the golden spectral tree we know in the game. He technically might have been Lord for a short time during the early Golden Order, but he very much is not associated with it.
I thought Miquella entering the egg like state ages ago allowed him to enter the land of shadow. Killing Mohg and Radahn just set into motion phase 2 of his plan where he brings Leda and company to protect him while he ascends with promised consort Radahn.
I absolutely love your storytelling style. It’s a lot how I like to and just feels more like you’re having a conversation then listening to a lecture. Both equally viable, but one feels more natural.
1:52 The Greater Will is NOT an Outer god, the Shadow of the Erdtree confirms this as well. The Greater Will CREATED all life and existence of the Elden Ring universe. The Greater Will is more Abrahamic God and less Cthulhu, that is why the other gods are called Outer gods, because they had no part in the creation of the universe. The Greater Will is a capital GOD, the Others are lower case gods.
@@LeonCamero Wow why am I only getting notifications of this now? Anyways yes that's one theory or they were form out of the mindless chaos that is well space. Like how many of the NPCs talk about the Moon, it's not stated to be an Outer god but it may as well be, it's a freak of nature. And I didn't think I would be saying all of this today.
It's pretty cool (for me) that I managed to complete Ranni's ending without guides on my first playthrough. I'm quite sure the other endings were available for me (except the frienzied flame), but I actually liked Ranni's views on how things should be. This is what inspired me to finish her questline, taking me almost 30 hours to complete.
Great video! Not sure if someone had mentioned it yet but Scadu is pronounced like Shadow. It's an old timey way. Kinda like how gaol is pronounced jail in the game.
@@Iluemeirarra Heard about the shadoo tree pronunciation a couple days ago, but went through with finishing up the video anyways. Didnt know that about the Gaols though! Thanks for sharing :)
From what I understood, Marika had plucked the rune of Destined Death first , then the Gloam-Eyed Queen got her hands on it and was using it to kill Gods. So Marika had sent Maliketh to get it back and guard it
Just wanted to say, I'm not against the added comedy, it did make it more enioyable at times, but there was maybe 25% too many jokes. Espescially at serious story beats & things that require explanation.
This was an amazing video! My only note is that you can get the frenzied flame from the three fingers and burn the Erdtree, then complete Millicent's quest, and become cured of the flame to pick different endings and Melina would survive. But you never see her again, so I can see why this information didn't need to be mentioned.
So basically: Round 1: Frenzied Flame vs Greater Will Results: The individuation of life and FF ceaselessly trying to burn everything back together again. Round 2: Wyverns vs Dragons Results: both leaders being dismembered and a city permanently being suspended by a storm. Round 3: Hornsent vs Shamans Results: Divine Gateway made of shamans and assorted Hornsent bodies. Local shaman achieves apotheosis via the gateway with the assistance of a barbarian and an extraterrestrial. New shaman-lead empire established. Round 4: Erdtree grown out of Crucible does nothing to prevent people from being born with crucible features and top shaman is already losing her noodles. Results: The genocide of Hornsent and Fire Giants, the persecution and enslavement of everyone with crucible features, including the tarnished for occasionally having omen children. Radagon successfully dicks his way into a peace treaty with Carian royalty. Round 5: A Song of Gold and Shadow - A Game of Runes. Results: Outbreaks of Deathroot and Scarlet Rot, tarnished officially back in style, local god is put under house arrest. Local tarnished decides fate of entire realm.
The intro for this video legit gave me chills. Radhan is so freaking awesome it doesn't make sense 😭 booting the game up again just to halt his advance one more time!
This is easily my new favorite lore video around and I have watched EVERY THING from vaati to smoughtown and this is the easiest to understand most entertaining lore vide I’ve seen. Thank you.
Just wanted to say you did a great job making this video. Sure they might be a couple inaccuracies, but for someone who finished the DLC and was left wondering wtf happened is this it, your short, information packed and comedic video was top tier. Thanks so much man, appreciate you
Oh no.. this video got quite the number of inaccuracies x.x Like, come on we all onow Malenia made Caelid what it us today. She nuked the place woth rot and Caleid is the aftermath of this. Considering something that well established is wrong in the video, im kinda worried about taking ut fully serious,_,
From what I understand the crusible was everything before life. Nothing existed but one day it broke for some reason and all life was born. The flame of chaos ending is restoring the crusible in some way, by getting rid of division and melting everything into one again.
This was such a well made video. Not only quality wise, but explanation wise. The concepts, as you mentioned in regard to the actual "Elden ring", are really weird and intricate. But the way you explain them along with the visual aid is extremely easy to understand and follow. Cheers!
you can let melina burn the tree down, then inherit the frenzied flame and you dont hear her saying shes gonna hunt you when you do the ending. all you get is the burning tree and world.
Not even the worst video, but the need to take the spotlight and try to be too funny is completely out of place. It’s Elden ring, people don’t need hyuk hyuks to find this captivating.
Two things I wish they added to the game. 1) After Miquila/Rahdan fight, being able to summon Rani so she maybe a God. 2) Additional dialoge for Melina in the DLC, or more dialoge after the tree is burt and the flame supressing needle applied.
Love this! A couple *maybe* corrections that don't really matter: Caelid wasn't infected with rot until the fight between Malania and Radahn. And, Miquella's cocoon was how he was feeding the Haligtree.
22:00 “Dude! Melina, Melania, Marika! How the f*** is anyone supposed to f***ing remember this s***!” I’m glad you went through to create a lore video but this was the best part of the video.
Dropping a comment in the first two min. What you did showing a maxed out tarnished shrinking back to that speck of guidance from grace. This game is more than we deserve. 😅
A lot of the trolls in the were actually slaves or mind controlled in the lands between. That stone in there stomach takes the place of where the second face should be.
the gold mask ending isnt restoring the golden order to what it was but rather restoring it to what it SHOULD of been, all of marikas mistreatment of the others would not exist, its simply making the golden order perfect
36:25 - It seems more likely that Miquella had to travel to this underground realm of the Nox because that was the only path of access to the Land of Shadow. We see Leda taking that same path, there's also much evidence linking the Nox with the land of shadow (the finger slayer blade and Metyr's wound, as well as the matching architecture). It also seems likely that the Nox themselves originated from Marika's numenfolk of the shamans. And the giant ants also connect the Haligtree to the Nox. I believe that these ants played a role in the weird Nox technology. We see this in the placement of Numen runes. We also see the eggs around Haligtree, and Miquella's egg, all are woven from that ant slime. Somehow these special Nox ants and their eggs were a critical component in the process of creating new life (albanaurics, mimics, etc) and also a method for rebirth into the land of shadow.
This is perhaps the strangest drug addled 1970s hippie fever dream I've ever seen. Even Frank Oz couldn't have come up with anything as bizarre as this lore.
Great video! Loved the editing and crediting of fan arts! I have a timeline problem with Melina / gloam eyed queen and destined death. The finger reader tells us the rune of death, aka destined death, is "the forbidden shadow plucked from the golden Order upon its creation". So if Melina is indeed the gloam eyed queen, which she does seem to be, and Mesmer is his older brother per his kindling's item description, they both should've been alive when Marika ascended and created the golden Order. It's also possible that the golden Order was created after Marika's ascension, but it was definitely way before Godfrey's war on the fire giants. I believe Melina and Radagon are the first childs of Marika, potentially from Radagon because they might had began (Radagon and Marika) as separate beings
What's interesting to me about Radahn is that the final dlc cutscene, at least to me, implies that Miquella charmed Radahn into agreeing to be his consort. I think this because of the charmed sound we hear once Miquella talks about the gentleness of his order. However, the weird thing is, did Radahn not know he had to die to become his Consort? Because if he did then why did Radahn even fight Malenia to a standstill? Or does Miquella's charming powers also wipe the memory of those charmed so he wouldnt remember until he was resurrected? Questions on questions and it makes you wonder how much of all this From (Miyazaki and GRRM) actually thought about the details of this DLC when they were developing the base game. I have hope that they actually planned this all along, but who knows!
Honestly amazing writeup. I've always had the same question regarding Marika being alive or not in the ending and its crazy vague. The Sacred Relic Sword says a God that should have lived was used to make it, so either Marika/Radagon or the Elden Beast but that also begs the question how a dead person can house the Elden Ring and be a God at the same time. Confusing stuff to be certain. Its never made clear either way so who knows.
I do have to say that Melina and Messmer are most likely Marika's first children i wish it was more clear cut but Messmer definitely was born sometime before Marika' ascension to the creation of the Golden Order as he saw the genocide of his mother's people, Melina was definitely after the Erdtree was created as she herself states " i was born at the foot of the erdtree" and Messmer' kindling refers to " like his younger sister bore a vision of fire".
Some wrongs points but very entertaining! Caelid was fine until Malenia bloomed and brought the scarlet rot to the place. Messmer was born far earlier than any of the other demigods along with Melina, since he was like an older brother to Radahn. Godwyn was the perfect golden child and went on to become the worst form of diseased undeath possible which is pretty ironic.
I’m offended you’d call the Frenzy Flame ending the worst when Dung Eater literally just wants folks to suffer in excruciating agony. All I did was get burned and burn the tree down. xD best ending aside from Ranni’s.
You forgot the Perfect Order ending, to mend the Ring but remove the influence of gods from being able to influence it to their will, both that and the Age of Stars endings are probably what would most likely be considered good/canon. Also a few topics and characters are missed or glanced over in this analysis, but it was good nonetheless and helped add some more insight and possible connections.
IDK if anyone said it yet, but Grandam is just and old term for grandmother, so Grandam is actually the grandmother of the empyrean, not an empyrean herself. It's probably the grandmother that Marika mentioned at the village
I like to think that the reason marika can split into 2 is because she was the only successful(?) saintess that they were able to make. It stated how they can basically combine well with others so my thought is that she found some way to separate as well.
I just got Elden ring because my best man bought me a ps5 as a wedding gift. Last time I played games really was bloodborne in 2017-2019 do it has been a huge task trying to gather all the lore and piece together the stories while playing alone. I’ve just been organically playing but god damn is it overwhelming hahaha.
Wow man I've just watched this video and I've just watched your " see you later" video. And man extremely well done for your first time doing this. Hats off to you man
If you guys find any inaccuracies with this video, please drop a comment and let me know so I can attach them to this comment!
- The Greater Will was not an outer god. Apparently he's in his OWN TIER, so we've got like... four layers of god tiers going on here.
- Messmer was actually OLDER than Radahn, so he was born before him. Who is the dad? Nobody knows.
- Caelid only seemed to get the scarlet rot outbreak AFTER Melania's fight with Radahn!
About Messmer's parentage, I'd say that Radagon is his father because Radagon's leitmotif can be found in Messmer's ost but without the melody that symbolizes the Elden Ring since Messmer is spurned from grace. But he definitely is older than Radahn so this makes the timeline a little fuzzy.
@@chrisdepountis3430 Probably a bastard child, born to Marika and Radagon before she married Godfrey. Another possibility is that Messmer is Godfrey's son, but the only connection I can make between the 2 of them is the fact that Messmer's soldiers have a stomp attack that's reminiscent of Godfrey's.
messmer is almost certainly the son of radagon (red hair, fire, name), and older brother of melina, both having one closed eye and a kindling inside them.
@@chrisdepountis3430im glad you are that analytical but that just sounds like a bad reason to start with. Maybe start with red hair ?
@@humbleservant7797 I thought the red hair made it too obvious. Plus I'd say it's a reasonable point since the same goes for most characters' themes in the Dlc. They share leitmotifs with other characters they're connected to (Rellana with Rennala, Midra with the nomadic merchant theme, Bayle with Placidusax's 2nd phase, Romina with Malenia).
I guess the other two characteristics that hint at Messmer's father being Radagon would be the red hair, as you mentioned, and the fact that he too suffers from an ailment like Miquella and Malenia.
The writers weren't on coke. It was just George RR Martin doing his best to avoid writing Winds of Winter.
lmaoo
Can't blame him 😂😂 he was wanting to do something fresh for a change lol
The canonical ending is the one from the show.
@@jaykelley103 really? I never finished reading the last 2 books out or the series 😅😂
@@jaykelley103 only some of the story beats not the same entire journey though. like fAegon from Essos or Arianne
Mesmer and Melina were likely born before Radahn, an item description described Mesmer as an older brother to Radahn
thanks for the correction :)
Very likely before Godwin and the omen twins
@@Bori.1776 i agree. It'd seem Mesmer and Melina were the first childs of Marika, potentialy even before or right after her ascencion as a God at the gates of divinity
dragon deez nuts
What item describes that? If it is Gaius's remembrance, it says that both him and Messmer were as elder brothers to the lion. As elder brothers, not literally elder brothers to him
Fun fact: if you go by the lore of tower of suppression that is present right between the Lands Between and if you place the shadow realm map according to the description on the cloud in centre of the lands between, you will see the gap filled almost perfectly and the Shaman village is right beneath the Royal Capital Leyndal. All the divine towers in the Lands between also seems to encircle the tower of supression according to the map.
That is an awesome fun fact 😀
Mohg shared his omen blood with miquella, in an attempt to grow him into his own consort for his dynasty. This "accursed blood" was what was needed for miquella to enter the land of shadow, which is why it is also the access point for us to transport there as well.
So Mohg wasnt an arbitrary pick "hoping for someone to come along and kill him", miquella could access the realm of shadow by charming mohg to kidnap and share his blood with him
OHHHHH
So is omen blood and hornsent blood the same thing? Or are they separate things tied together by the crucible?
What does this mean for Dungeater's ending?
Does Gold Mask know his dlc lore particularly when it comes to Metyr when mending the golden order?
@@gublaman Omens are just Hornsent that are mysteriously born within the Grace of Marika (Base game). They are called Omens because they are a reminder of what happened in the past and what the future could be.
That is true but I still find it odd that Miquella was essentially waiting for someone to kill Mohg after he entered the land of Shadow, as he needed the body as a vessel for his consort... If no one came along and killed Mohg, Miquella's plan was screwed... And it's even more amusing that Mohg is in what seems to be the most out of the way, obscure to reach place in the entire lands between
@@rawgamesnippets9412 he sent Malenia after Radahn (because maybe Radahn was not cooperative, and that is why Malenia marched through Godrick), he didn't expect her to fail. My guess the plan was to use Malenia to kill Radahn and then Mohg as well, but Radahn was stronger than expected and Malenia nuked herself out of the equation. So it was not up to a random nobody to kill both, but his most trusted ally who actually happens to be the best fighter in the lands between. This makes sense for me, the plan just went sideways.
The Goldmask ending isn’t just restoring what came before. Corwhyn constantly claims that Goldmask must have gone mad with blasphemous thoughts after he discovers the truth of Radagons identity. When you read his mending rune it says something along the lines of an order without the fickle will of any gods. Goldmask is removing the greater will (and probably other gods) and their influence from the world, allowing you to become an Elden lord that isn’t a puppet of some god.
Though it isn’t the flashiest, it’s probably the ending that Ansbach would have wanted when he says “do it for us”. Probably my favorite or second favorite behind Ranni’s
The greater will isn't a outer god and is never described as one. Also the greater will is not part of the golden order. The golden order follows the principles of the greater will but it doesn't have direct connection to the greater will. The greater will is basically the will of the universe. The golden order is connected to the elden beast which is a outer god. So what gold mask does is removes the influence that the outer gods had over the world. Gold mask finds out that the golden order isn't really following the greater will like they claim to be. The dlc expands on this idea with metyr who mentioned that she hasn't been in contact with the greater will since the elden beast landed. Aka he makes the world follow the will of the universe and follow the laws of nature compared to the agenda of a outer god.
Can’t say I was expecting this, but I will gladly take a lore summary for this collapsed library of a game
“Collapsed library of a game” is the absolute pinnacle of metaphors for this game 👌🏻✨ 10/10 my friend
Perfect metaphor
bro what a perfect metaphor 😂😂.
Sadly it is a pretty terrible summary with cause and effect switched around like crazy, wild speculations partly presented as fact and the timeline of certain events just completly out of whack. Its a nice write up but not much more.
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I always wondered why varre was the first npc you meet when you start the game but now it makes so much sense. Miquellas plan relies on you killing Mohg, and by placing varre where all tarnished end up in the lands between he leads you in the direction of mohgwyn palace. If every tarnished starts out at the first step one of them will eventually follow varre to Mohg and kill him
That would make sense if you weren't told to not use the relic until called upon. You weren't supposed to meet mohg until his dynasty was complete and varre just resented the golden order and turned on their own people in spite. Varre specifically states to not use it until called upon
@@AriesLR_ I low-key feel like that's why mohg wanted to catch hands. He was like yo bro I told you to wait for a bit.
One thing i can say, I think Mogh and Morgot were banished cause the Omen are more than likely related to Hornsent, which are the people who cut up Marikas people in her village and put them into jars
right on. and they hated anything to do with the hornsent
@@NeddyTheNoodle Such a soulless curse the golden order did, to Mogh and Morgott. Cursed her children into the slayers of her own people 😂
Yeah I think so too! I interpreted it as her growing up with the horns being seen as a blessing from the crucible. So naturally Marika would see it as a curse, and her getting children with the characteristics of the crucible might be a sign of its' influence seeping through her new order, which would probably scare and repulse her, so they were sealed away.
Pretty sure there wasn’t scarlet rot in Caelid until Malenia put it there.
I'm no expert but pretty sure there's lore about the previous rot vessel that was sealed in the Lake of Rot by the blue dancer.
Also pretty sure Rellana LEFT her moon when she joined Messmer, and was later found by none other than Ranni.
Also Miquella helped Freyja meaning he was there after the bloom
@@nickfrost4518oh yeah well if she left her moon then why does she have TWO
@@GetOutterMeHouseI was gonna say that 😂 .
I was gonna say by that logic she has 3.
Yes, this dude has all kinds of timelines jumbled and cause and effect backwards, kinda like watching racoon hopped on fentanyl ...
I've watched many, many videos to claim to explain the lore to this game. Some 2 hours long, some 4 hours long. They all confused me even more that i already was.
This video is the first one that gives me some actual understanding of what this game is actually about!! So thank you.
From a non gamer that just likes stories ❤
@@BehindTheFrames im so glad! Thanks for watching :)
💯% agree.
Dont feel bad about not understanding the story, ive beaten this game 8 times and im here becauee im still clueless
Best explanation for me to put everything together in my mind before it was bit and pieces but it more clear now. Thank you
I saw a 3 part lore series that totaled over 35 hours in length
It’s implied that part of the reason for Marika finally ordering Mesmer to kill the honrsent was due to the hornsent at some point cursing Marika and the golden order believers with the omen curse after she betrayed them. When they did this is not directly stated I think, but that in addition to her already large hatred for them is implied to be the reason.
Honestly, most of Marika's problems line up with some ancient society that she and Godfrey stomped down at some point or another. Messmer's Abyssal Serpent? Well, before Rykard moved in, there was an Ancient Serpent Cult living in Mount Gelmir that venerated and supported the God Devouring Serpent, so it probably got stomped, leading to Messmer's problems. The Omen curse has an obvious source, but the Scarlet Rot being the way it is can be traced back to Messmer torching the Church of the Bud, leading to Romina becoming the way she is now and the Rot taking on a new form.
What made me happy with the dlc is that it made Marika much more of an interesting character. In the base game she was too vague. Also Messmer, his bossfight, his knights, his legacy dungeon, his lore. All of them are s tier in my mind
His build is not s tier looks uncomfortable to walk around
@@MrSlayerkid117 scoliosis never stopped him
All we knew base game is she had a penchant for being an unfaithful wife (miyazaki staple) and a genocide happy rule.
I'm all for leaving some things unanswered and vague, but with this game, I'm honestly convinced, that even Miyazaki himself doesn't have most of the answers we're looking for.
Either that or the translation issues are exceedingly bad.
@@NeddyTheNoodle Can confirm it is just as vague in Japanese
The stuff with Miquella is honestly just stupid. How does he abandon his flesh if his corpse is already stuck in the egg in Mohg’s palace?
yeah there was an interview he did that basically kinda confirmed that there's no "cannon" type story - a lot of it is vague and left open to interpretation. Miyazaki said he watches some lore videos and finds it interesting to see how people interpreted it
Thing is this is GRR Martin's fault. Every fromsoft game has always been vague but never the type to not actually answer, it was more of a, find it type of story telling not like Elden Ring where even if you find everything it doesn't answer shit.
I'd argue Miyazaki is a better lore maker than Martin, also what's with all the incest and miquella thing with Martin anyway?😅 And you know it's him adding it when all these years Miyazaki never added these types of plot points to any of his games.
I wish Elden Ring was developed by Miyazaki alone and not with his interference
In lore there was also a Great Demigod Hunt where Godskins apparently hunted down lesser demigods and skinned them
A fun weekend with the boys
Just a little Horsing around
just a prank
@@justcallmeleonardo the average tuesday with my homies be like.
It's no wonder the surviving demigods attack you on sight, they must be totally paranoid
I love how godfrey calls himself the FIRST elden lord. It perfectly fits with the narative of the order of light trying to delete the acient history. When new mondarchy was established on dust of other, always the XXX the first came into play. Nothing say that you are the first "new normal" better then that hahaha
The Dr.Disrespect face on Mohgs was absolutely foul💀😂
I have no proof, but I feel like it would make sense to suggest that both Marika and Radagon were both shamans, and its how they were able to seemlessly switch between bodies.
Great video! But I wanted to point something out: it's confirmed in item description that Messmer was an older brother to Radahn, so he was born before or while Radagon was still married to Rennala. So probably Messmer crusade happened while Godfrey was still Elden Lord (maybe it's the whole reason why Godfrey lost his grace, since he had crucible knights as his personal guards and was close to Morgott - it seems he had no problem with the crucible). We're still not sure who was Messmer's (and Melina's) father. Maybe it was Godfrey himself and their red hair is due to the duality that Marika was suffering when she was split into Radagon or maybe it was Radagon himself in an extramarital relationship while Marika was still married to Godfrey - another potential reason for him losing his grace.
Don’t forget the wandering Mausoleums and graves also have the bodies of Marika’s soulless children that she abandoned. So in reality she’s got like 20+ kids
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That's honestly never confirmed... It's more likely that it may just be other members of the golden bloodline. Like Godrick and Godefroy. Godwyn's children and grandchildren and great grandchildren etc.
Since Godrick is described as a distant relative.
I saw another video that is hypothesizing that those are actually us, the tarnished because on the beginning video the walking mausoleums can be heard.
And our tarnished might be one of these individuals due to clues from when they wake up
Vile strumpet 😂
39:50 Miquella is quite literally only one or two steps ahead of you the entire time… he’s at the Scadutree base where younsee the Avatar when you arrive at the Scadukeep and his Great Rune breaks.
Only in a fromsoft title can you fight a space amoeba tree dragon to save a god woman from a tree
True and based
And you can do so dressed like a dancer wielding a finger on a stick.
They missed an opportunity to have Rannie show up if you had completed her quest to help you fight Miquella and Radahn. Two Empyrean’s and their chosen simps.
That wouldn't of made any sense whatsoever tho
Great video, a few notes: the crucible is akin to the primordial soup, but made of flesh, where all life was born from, and it wasn’t just horns that were associated with them but also wings, spikes, tails, etc, all present as “aspect of the crucible” incantations
Regarding fingers, I find it funny that 2 are holy, 3 are blasphemous but 5 are the amount of humans and most bosses
The trolls are descendent of the defeated fire giants, and they communed with their god of flame through their eyes in the chest, that’s why trolls have holes in their chests where the eye should be and can’t use fire magic
thanks for sharing! :)
2 finger + 3 finger = 5 fingered peoples. Could imply humanities ability to do good and create life or do evil and burn it all down.
Also, the classic Orthodox Christianity split between using two or three fingers was clearly an inspiration.
Ok but no one has ever told me why miquella’s arm is so fucking big
IMO, the arm in the cocoon isn't Miquella's.
I never thought about that lol
eternal youth my ass
@@BlackFenoif it is his body tho, then some one has to explain how he discarded his flesh in Shadows, when his flesh is in the cocoon.
@@humbleservant7797 Yeah, true.
Having multiple heads, maybe Placidusaax is both the god and the lord. Similar to how Radagon and Merika are both in the same person. Just an idea.
This comment is edited and yet Marika is misspelled
@@KaliTakumi that is because I misspelled it and did not edit that word.
8@@KaliTakumiyou feel better about yourself now? You must have a lot of free time
It specifically states that he is awaiting the return of his god. He's even reaching towards the heavens in a spiral like the tower with the gate atop in the DLC.
@@CrusaderCitadel Right, but like the Spiral, that ‘god’ likely refers to the Greater Will or some outer dragon god. I just mean that Placi is a god/lord in the same way that Marika/radagon are.
47:00 Hard disagree, the age of order is a modified configuration made by goldmask which would remove the gods out of the equation. By changing it this way any physical holder of the elden ring would disappear removing the need for Empyreans to replace the current god. This would effectively make it so the greter will would have to immediately intervene when willing to do things or use the fingers as prophets to relay messeges to its followers so can do it instead. In short the perfect order would have turned the golden order into the current religions we have. Also the fingers would have a new found purpose in this configuration
One interesting thing of note is that it seems like Marika's people, the Shaman, were first the Numen. A race said to be from somewhere else.
So the Hornsent may have just been xenophobic. Which is awful. But pretty common.
Or the description of numen being from another world just refers to the land of shadow. After Marika rose to godhood, it seems she used the elden ring to shift her and the hornsents home "continent" to a separate plane and after removing death from the ring, basically used the now transfixed landmass as a dumping grounds in place of an afterlife. I'll be honest tho, bc of Miyazaki's world building and design style, quite a bit of connecting pieces are missing in favor of ambiguity and interpretation thus leaving them more for gameplay reasons. How do we and the others get to the land of shadow? How did Miquella acquire Mohg's corpse? If he already left his body behind, how was Miquella divesting his flesh again at the crosses? I can usually ignore lore gaps as long as they don't have direct influence on gameplay and the played story.
Great vid but i think you missed a crucial part in the rise of the golden order, which is the war between them and the dragons
I feel like your description of Goldmask's ending as "more of the same" is unfair. Goldmask removes Marika's influence over the Lands Between, quite possibly by convincing the Greater Will itself (though the DLC calls this into question, as the Mother of Fingers wasn't even talking to the Greater Will, so it seems odd that the Greater Will would talk to a random monk). Goldmask also indirectly destroyed the Golden Order (which holds at the core of its belief system that Marika is the one true god), but left the Elden Ring intact.
In other words, he used admin privileges to make the Elden Ring a read only file, then killed himself so Marika couldn't get the password to his account. No more Shatterings.
Grandam is like a high priest. She's the crucible religion's version of finger readers. Not an empyrean herself.
...false. She was an empyrean, same as Marika and the Gloam Eyed Queen. Marika "won" the candidacy to godhood, and Grandam resents her for it. Grandam even calls her a whore, implying Marika may have slept her way to the top.
@@OdysseusKingsource?
@@xan42O "i made it the fuck up "
@@youngbloodbanana3376actually this isn’t made up, i’m not certain that she’s an empyrean but she most definitely hates marika and did call her a whore
Worth pointing out that the Erdtree is confirmed to have come from the Crucible, and item descriptions refer to the Crucible as "the Erdtree's primordial form"
Dont think the miquella/radahn god/consort thing was meant to be seen as incestual. As the Japanese text refers to radahn as King.
but this is a GRRM story in its roots so who knows lmfaooo
@@Innersixeyeshaha that fucker loves to write some fucked up weird shit in his works lol. Not surprised if that’s the case😂
incest was a HUGE thing for kings and queens, I think within the context of the wider story and inspirations it makes perfect sense
I feel like when the Lands of Shadow were broken off and hidden (if that's true), Merika also did the same to Farum Azula. She knew the old Dragon Lord was sleeping there and placed Maliketh there to watch the portal and keep Destined Death away from the Lands Between. Melina simply found a loophole that her mom left which is her ability to teleport you places.
All of Marika’s cursed children have names that start with an M, Godwyn does not and was clearly the favorite because of it. The only question is, who was his father? Really?
All of the demigods either have a G, R or M. George R R Martin
Consort can and usually does mean spouse or romantic partner, but it can also just mean associate or partner in general (example from Merriam-Webster: "the criminal and his consorts"). So it's possible that Miquella is referring to that. My guess is that the word is used in the game precisely due to its possibility of being used in 2 different ways.
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Personally I believe that Miquella is using it as the non-romantic variant due to the fact that he can make anyone love him anyways, and as such wouldn't really require a promise. I also believe that Radahn did make the promise of his own free will and in the DLC is still there of his own choice, mainly due to the fact that at one point in the DLC Miquella's Great Rune is broken and his spell on everyone is broken, which would include Radahn. Sure, after he come back out of the Gate of Divinity as a god, he might place Radahn under his spell again, but that only happens about a third of the fight in, meaning Radahn was at the very least waiting there for Miquella and protecting the Gate of Divinity of his own choice, and at that point I find it hard to believe he wouldn't go as far as actually being Miquella's consort of his own choice as well.
As for Miquella's plan, it's far more complex than you seem to think. Nothing was truly left to chance. Radahn made a pact with Jerren to ensure that Radahn would get killed sooner or later, the only caveat being that it had to be an honorable death since he was a warrior. Mohg was also going to be defeated sooner or later as Miquella was guiding the Tarnished that we meet in the DLC to Mohgwyn palace. Malenia was also part of the plan, which is why she marched on Radahn in Caelid and attempted to kill him using her Scarlet Rot Bloom (and failed). It's also very likely that Mohg and possibly Varre were manipulated to allow for Tarnished to enter the Mohgwyn palace far easier than it realistically would've been. I mean, think about it, why would Varre be giving out a medal that teleports you to an underground palace that's otherwise only accessable from the Mountaintop of the Giants if at the same time he and Mohg don't want people to arrive there before the Mohgwyn Dynasty is established? And this kind of manipulation is very characteristic of Miquella where only small nuances are manipulated to make his influence undetectable, which we also clearly see in the NPCs in the DLC. The Hornsent still hates Tarnished and only puts up with them because they're serving under Miquella's banner. Sir Ansbach remains somewhat loyal to Mohg, or at the very least retains a certain level of respect for him, but still follows Miquella who has disrespected and disgraced Mohg with his manipulation. Even the fight between Malenia and Radahn was probably purposelly planned to happen at the time when the demigods were all fighting each other to get their great runes so as to make it undetectable that Miquella was planning anything. Mohg's kidnapping can also easily be chalked up to those same motives. Frankly, Miquella's plan was near perfect and the only mistake he made was not expecting that someone would possibly be able to defeat him and Radahn together.
As for the timeline of Miquella entering the Land of Shadow, I believe this happens before we even arrive to kill Mohg. It's not unprecedented for a demigod's body to be alive but their spirit dead, or vice-versa, so it's possible that Miquella's body in the cocoon is technically alive, but his soul had already passed into the Land of Shadow. That does raise the question of how Miquella could've been discarding the "flesh of his body" throughout his journey in the Land of Shadow, but I think it's not really his "true" flesh and is more akin to the shadowy substance that we see the commoners in there made of. It could also be him severing his "ties" to his physical body, basically making it impossible for him to return to it unless he becomes a god. I think this has some evidence for it too since we never find any actual body parts of Miquella, but we do find St. Trina and Miquella's great rune that he discarded, in which case the lack of actual body parts would imply a more metaphorical or symbolic discarding of his flesh.
Technically, Godfrey is the First Elden Lord of his Order. He is the first Elden Lord of The Golden Order.
The Erdtree civilization and Golden Order aren’t the same thing. The GO was created only after Marika sealed Destined Death, which was much later than the creation of the Erdtree, after the Gloam Eye incident. Afaik we don’t know if this happened during Godfrey’s tenure, but it’s likely this was either after his banishment or shortly before it. Godfrey is very much associated with the early Age of Plenty and Crucible, before the Erdtree becomes the golden spectral tree we know in the game. He technically might have been Lord for a short time during the early Golden Order, but he very much is not associated with it.
I thought Miquella entering the egg like state ages ago allowed him to enter the land of shadow. Killing Mohg and Radahn just set into motion phase 2 of his plan where he brings Leda and company to protect him while he ascends with promised consort Radahn.
Never thought i'd see an Elden Ring lore vid from you, great vid too :D
22:44 killed me 🤣
I absolutely love your storytelling style. It’s a lot how I like to and just feels more like you’re having a conversation then listening to a lecture. Both equally viable, but one feels more natural.
Nah the jokes are bad and ruin the epicness this is not how u tell a story
Frenzied Flame ending is metal af and therefore the coolest and best ending.
1:52 The Greater Will is NOT an Outer god, the Shadow of the Erdtree confirms this as well. The Greater Will CREATED all life and existence of the Elden Ring universe. The Greater Will is more Abrahamic God and less Cthulhu, that is why the other gods are called Outer gods, because they had no part in the creation of the universe. The Greater Will is a capital GOD, the Others are lower case gods.
So does that mean The Greater Will created the other outer gods orrr did they already exist
@@wastoodistracted866 probably created by mistake as the 3 fingers says.
That's the crucible not the greater will
@@LeonCamero Wow why am I only getting notifications of this now? Anyways yes that's one theory or they were form out of the mindless chaos that is well space. Like how many of the NPCs talk about the Moon, it's not stated to be an Outer god but it may as well be, it's a freak of nature. And I didn't think I would be saying all of this today.
Didnt think alexander had that big of an appetite
Perfect. I have something to drive home to tonight.
It's pretty cool (for me) that I managed to complete Ranni's ending without guides on my first playthrough. I'm quite sure the other endings were available for me (except the frienzied flame), but I actually liked Ranni's views on how things should be. This is what inspired me to finish her questline, taking me almost 30 hours to complete.
Great video! Not sure if someone had mentioned it yet but Scadu is pronounced like Shadow. It's an old timey way. Kinda like how gaol is pronounced jail in the game.
@@Iluemeirarra Heard about the shadoo tree pronunciation a couple days ago, but went through with finishing up the video anyways. Didnt know that about the Gaols though! Thanks for sharing :)
@@NeddyTheNoodle Anytime. Loved the video. You got a subscriber! :)
From what I understood, Marika had plucked the rune of Destined Death first , then the Gloam-Eyed Queen got her hands on it and was using it to kill Gods. So Marika had sent Maliketh to get it back and guard it
Just wanted to say, I'm not against the added comedy, it did make it more enioyable at times, but there was maybe 25% too many jokes. Espescially at serious story beats & things that require explanation.
One hundred percent. How many times do we need to hear someone full throated yell "swallow my nuts!"?
This was an amazing video!
My only note is that you can get the frenzied flame from the three fingers and burn the Erdtree, then complete Millicent's quest, and become cured of the flame to pick different endings and Melina would survive. But you never see her again, so I can see why this information didn't need to be mentioned.
Elden Ring have really, really complicated lore, nice video...
The server company analogy helped me understand just what the hell the Greater Will is and how it relates to lesser gods. Thanks for that
So basically:
Round 1: Frenzied Flame vs Greater Will
Results: The individuation of life and FF ceaselessly trying to burn everything back together again.
Round 2: Wyverns vs Dragons
Results: both leaders being dismembered and a city permanently being suspended by a storm.
Round 3: Hornsent vs Shamans
Results: Divine Gateway made of shamans and assorted Hornsent bodies. Local shaman achieves apotheosis via the gateway with the assistance of a barbarian and an extraterrestrial. New shaman-lead empire established.
Round 4: Erdtree grown out of Crucible does nothing to prevent people from being born with crucible features and top shaman is already losing her noodles. Results: The genocide of Hornsent and Fire Giants, the persecution and enslavement of everyone with crucible features, including the tarnished for occasionally having omen children. Radagon successfully dicks his way into a peace treaty with Carian royalty.
Round 5: A Song of Gold and Shadow - A Game of Runes. Results: Outbreaks of Deathroot and Scarlet Rot, tarnished officially back in style, local god is put under house arrest. Local tarnished decides fate of entire realm.
The intro for this video legit gave me chills. Radhan is so freaking awesome it doesn't make sense 😭 booting the game up again just to halt his advance one more time!
This is easily my new favorite lore video around and I have watched EVERY THING from vaati to smoughtown and this is the easiest to understand most entertaining lore vide I’ve seen. Thank you.
that means a lot! thank you so much :)
I think it’s cause he adds a bit of humor making it easier to not get overwhelmed with just lore, get a lil break lol
Just wanted to say you did a great job making this video. Sure they might be a couple inaccuracies, but for someone who finished the DLC and was left wondering wtf happened is this it, your short, information packed and comedic video was top tier. Thanks so much man, appreciate you
thank you. I've had a lot of responses that dont quite understand just how new I am to this franchise. I appreciate the acceptance!
Oh no.. this video got quite the number of inaccuracies x.x
Like, come on we all onow Malenia made Caelid what it us today. She nuked the place woth rot and Caleid is the aftermath of this.
Considering something that well established is wrong in the video, im kinda worried about taking ut fully serious,_,
I did learn it all in the span of 40 days haha. Never played a fromsoft game up till this point. Thanks for pointing out the problems :)
@NeddyTheNoodle that's fair! Still a bit rough.. x.x
What’s with the God of Rot being locked in the Lake of Rot then?
From what I understand the crusible was everything before life. Nothing existed but one day it broke for some reason and all life was born. The flame of chaos ending is restoring the crusible in some way, by getting rid of division and melting everything into one again.
This was such a well made video. Not only quality wise, but explanation wise. The concepts, as you mentioned in regard to the actual "Elden ring", are really weird and intricate. But the way you explain them along with the visual aid is extremely easy to understand and follow. Cheers!
you can let melina burn the tree down, then inherit the frenzied flame and you dont hear her saying shes gonna hunt you when you do the ending. all you get is the burning tree and world.
Cailied wasn't cursed with scarlett rot till Malenia Nuked it
Also there's a few timeline mistakes and misconceptions you had that aren't exactly true
Please lemme know of any more misconceptions so I can let others know :)
@@NeddyTheNoodle ill have to rewatch the video I can add whatever I come across in a future comment
Obsessed with this video, thank you so much for compiling everything we lore diggers crave so nicely like this 🙌
Bro is not VaatiVidya lmao
Jokes aside it's cool to see you branch out into other games
Ton of work. Thanks for pulling it all together!
Not even the worst video, but the need to take the spotlight and try to be too funny is completely out of place. It’s Elden ring, people don’t need hyuk hyuks to find this captivating.
True but it's more entertaining this way
We don't have to need it to enjoy it
Great Argument, however: Nuh uh. There are enough serious elden ring lore vids around, we need some sillyness
Why do you hate fun
bro said “wahhh it’s Elden ring take it seriously dude it’s not to be joked about!!” u straight up sound like a loser lmfao
Finally someone that broke it down in the best simple & comedic manner
Two things I wish they added to the game.
1) After Miquila/Rahdan fight, being able to summon Rani so she maybe a God.
2) Additional dialoge for Melina in the DLC, or more dialoge after the tree is burt and the flame supressing needle applied.
Love this! A couple *maybe* corrections that don't really matter: Caelid wasn't infected with rot until the fight between Malania and Radahn. And, Miquella's cocoon was how he was feeding the Haligtree.
Great as usual man! The Nitrado poke cracked me up man, well done =)
thnx!! hahahaha
22:00
“Dude! Melina, Melania, Marika! How the f*** is anyone supposed to f***ing remember this s***!”
I’m glad you went through to create a lore video but this was the best part of the video.
I haven't played a SINGLE FUCKIN' SECOND of this game, but the lore is something that's got my interest in a chokehold.
Dropping a comment in the first two min. What you did showing a maxed out tarnished shrinking back to that speck of guidance from grace. This game is more than we deserve. 😅
you forgot gold mask's ending which is actually pretty good!! I did it and liked it! i did the Ranni ending on another playthrough so yea, a thing.
Thank you. I’ve been trying to figure this out forever. Bonus points for making my adhd happy with randomness. 👌🏻🤷🏼♂️😆
A lot of the trolls in the were actually slaves or mind controlled in the lands between. That stone in there stomach takes the place of where the second face should be.
the gold mask ending isnt restoring the golden order to what it was but rather restoring it to what it SHOULD of been, all of marikas mistreatment of the others would not exist, its simply making the golden order perfect
36:25 - It seems more likely that Miquella had to travel to this underground realm of the Nox because that was the only path of access to the Land of Shadow. We see Leda taking that same path, there's also much evidence linking the Nox with the land of shadow (the finger slayer blade and Metyr's wound, as well as the matching architecture). It also seems likely that the Nox themselves originated from Marika's numenfolk of the shamans.
And the giant ants also connect the Haligtree to the Nox. I believe that these ants played a role in the weird Nox technology. We see this in the placement of Numen runes. We also see the eggs around Haligtree, and Miquella's egg, all are woven from that ant slime. Somehow these special Nox ants and their eggs were a critical component in the process of creating new life (albanaurics, mimics, etc) and also a method for rebirth into the land of shadow.
Miq:" ... Promise me you´ll be my consort"
Rad: "Sure, Over my dead body sonny boy."
Miq: "Thats a vow, dear brother :D"
Rad: "... Hold up."
Real.
This is perhaps the strangest drug addled 1970s hippie fever dream I've ever seen. Even Frank Oz couldn't have come up with anything as bizarre as this lore.
Melina is not the Gloam-Eyed Queen, who was a Queen Empyrean and rival to Marika for the godhood. There is a big difference in timeline.
Great video! Loved the editing and crediting of fan arts!
I have a timeline problem with Melina / gloam eyed queen and destined death. The finger reader tells us the rune of death, aka destined death, is "the forbidden shadow plucked from the golden Order upon its creation". So if Melina is indeed the gloam eyed queen, which she does seem to be, and Mesmer is his older brother per his kindling's item description, they both should've been alive when Marika ascended and created the golden Order.
It's also possible that the golden Order was created after Marika's ascension, but it was definitely way before Godfrey's war on the fire giants. I believe Melina and Radagon are the first childs of Marika, potentially from Radagon because they might had began (Radagon and Marika) as separate beings
What's interesting to me about Radahn is that the final dlc cutscene, at least to me, implies that Miquella charmed Radahn into agreeing to be his consort. I think this because of the charmed sound we hear once Miquella talks about the gentleness of his order.
However, the weird thing is, did Radahn not know he had to die to become his Consort? Because if he did then why did Radahn even fight Malenia to a standstill? Or does Miquella's charming powers also wipe the memory of those charmed so he wouldnt remember until he was resurrected? Questions on questions and it makes you wonder how much of all this From (Miyazaki and GRRM) actually thought about the details of this DLC when they were developing the base game. I have hope that they actually planned this all along, but who knows!
What I wanted is if you brought ranni's doll she mirrors miquella in the promised consort fight cause it should 100% be a show down
Honestly amazing writeup. I've always had the same question regarding Marika being alive or not in the ending and its crazy vague. The Sacred Relic Sword says a God that should have lived was used to make it, so either Marika/Radagon or the Elden Beast but that also begs the question how a dead person can house the Elden Ring and be a God at the same time. Confusing stuff to be certain. Its never made clear either way so who knows.
Dont forget the fact that the Radahn we fight in the DLC is Radahn's soul inside Mohg's body (which is another reason why Miquella needed Mohg)
I do have to say that Melina and Messmer are most likely Marika's first children i wish it was more clear cut but Messmer definitely was born sometime before Marika' ascension to the creation of the Golden Order as he saw the genocide of his mother's people, Melina was definitely after the Erdtree was created as she herself states " i was born at the foot of the erdtree" and Messmer' kindling refers to " like his younger sister bore a vision of fire".
Some wrongs points but very entertaining!
Caelid was fine until Malenia bloomed and brought the scarlet rot to the place.
Messmer was born far earlier than any of the other demigods along with Melina, since he was like an older brother to Radahn.
Godwyn was the perfect golden child and went on to become the worst form of diseased undeath possible which is pretty ironic.
I’m offended you’d call the Frenzy Flame ending the worst when Dung Eater literally just wants folks to suffer in excruciating agony.
All I did was get burned and burn the tree down. xD best ending aside from Ranni’s.
this was a good video, always wanted to get into the lore but never knew where to start easy to follow ! like the direction of the videos ❤
You forgot the Perfect Order ending, to mend the Ring but remove the influence of gods from being able to influence it to their will, both that and the Age of Stars endings are probably what would most likely be considered good/canon. Also a few topics and characters are missed or glanced over in this analysis, but it was good nonetheless and helped add some more insight and possible connections.
IDK if anyone said it yet, but Grandam is just and old term for grandmother, so Grandam is actually the grandmother of the empyrean, not an empyrean herself. It's probably the grandmother that Marika mentioned at the village
You did an amazing and often very funny, job. Thanks for this video!
best story summary ive seen yet. GOOD JOB!
I like to think that the reason marika can split into 2 is because she was the only successful(?) saintess that they were able to make. It stated how they can basically combine well with others so my thought is that she found some way to separate as well.
Huhhhhh? Well it’s a pleasant surprise to see you on Elden Ring. Love your Ark survival stories btw :)
Miquella: Two Half Brothers make a whole one, right?
I just got Elden ring because my best man bought me a ps5 as a wedding gift. Last time I played games really was bloodborne in 2017-2019 do it has been a huge task trying to gather all the lore and piece together the stories while playing alone. I’ve just been organically playing but god damn is it overwhelming hahaha.
14:13 is so real
Wow man I've just watched this video and I've just watched your " see you later" video. And man extremely well done for your first time doing this. Hats off to you man
Thank you kindly! Expect more videos just like this, very soon
Great video. The jokes made the storytelling more entertaining than a regular lore video. Keep it up!