My 30 kwhr EV has now lost 5 battery bars out of 12 ( 42%) degradation and an equivelent loss of range in 8 3/4 years and circa 40 k miles. My EV myth is outside my house on my driveway, a pretty inconvenient fact actually.
The Leaf has a very bad battery design! Lacks battery cooling. Fryes the battery and results in high degradation.. Lacks possibility to stop charing at 80% for daily use: The battery is charged at 100% almost alle the time. This hurts the battery severely.
@atleyri this doesn't acount for the well documented degredation of other EV's like i pace, id3 ( look at battery life channel, 10% degradation at 2 years on the id3 ) all modern EV's with modern chemistries, modern cooling and battery management. The fact of the matter is all batteries degrade with time and use cycles, some more, some less, whereas ice cars don't. The fuel tank is the same after decades sometimes and very cheap comparatively to replace if it doesn't last. I owned a 1977 mgb roadster in chartreusse RVN 564 R if you want to look it up on tax checker, it is still on the road 47 years after manufacture. I also own several other vehicles, two of which are a 20 year old Mazda MX5 and a 17 year old Mercedes E Class avant-garde diesel. Both cars work perfectly, the ranges are as new with the Mercedes being 650 miles brimmed at highway speeds. No comparrison to my EV, which is degrading fast and at some point will not be economically viable to repair. Even if my EV is a degradation outlier on a standard deviation graph, it is certainly not a myth or the only one.
You bought the WORST EV in the 30kWh LEAF, my old 24kWh eNV-200 at 6 years old still hadn't lost a single bar. Maybe the fact they put battery cooling in the van and not the car was the reason and that everyone now builds with battery management systems
This deserves more views. If there is one that absolutely puzzles me is the Environment part. How stupid can one be to believe that from extraction in middle of the sea or in some remote area, transporting oil by sea and then refining the stuff in a facility the size of a small town that runs on ELECTRICITY (made from burning oil), only to then load it on trains and move it to storage and petrol stations... is less polluting than modern battery tech.
the reason you do not notice as much the difference in miles due to cold in a petrol car... simple since they are so much less efficient to start with the extra to heat the car and such is a smaller percentage per mile. also Electric needs to heat its battery. you can minimize this when home charging by heating the interior and such while still pugged in
I must have been really lucky then to own an EV for 12 years and 120'000 miles that showed no significant range loss, BTW when I sold it I got 1/3rd of the price I paid and its still going today with zero issues
7:30 The reason why you don't hear about petrol fires is that they only happen when a car crashes, the fire dept comes along and puts it out and it's no big deal. When an EV catches fire it can happen spontaneously and requires a lot of special equipment because the fire can last for days. An EV fire can go from mild smoke to a blazing furnace in a few seconds, a thing that simply does not happen to petrol. If your petrol car catches fire it's extremely rare that you cannot simply exit the vehicle in time to be safe. In an EV you potentially have literally just seconds The problem is not THAT an EV can catch fire, anything can catch fire. The problem is the speed at which the fire grows, the heat it produces and the fact that it cannot be put out. Your counter arguments sound A LOT like marketing, fanfiction and propaganda and VERY little like actually well researched facts. I mean, the fact that you blame news about EV fires on the news being anti-EV propaganda betrays your lack of honesty here.
@@AndyGardner-z6e Good point, but the thing is you Do Remember those incidents because they were unusual for an ICE car and rightly in the news, as 70% of ICE fires are deliberate arson by joy riders and insurance claimants and so don't get reported. The trouble with EV fires is that they are almost every manufacturer and model, from Porsche to GM to BYD because of their inherent battery runaway chemistry issues, and not limited to a component batch issue with, I believe, a heater rheostat and pollen filter on one manufacturer as with the Vauxhall issue. Until battery technology changes the incidents will continue to increase and we will get another Tesla Lisbon airport fire type incident but where sadly many people are involved rather than just cars.
and the trolls will come again when the truth is told. As for cost, well last night. 71KWH 10 hours charging and octopus will pay me around 60p, winner wiiner
cars in 20 years will do more like 400 000 miles / 500 000 km, so the battery is not enough another point is that anything tied to battery has to be done in specialized shop, it can not be done in your own garage and more to the point, look how long will the battery degrade after 8 years, you have to basically completely replace it, and who wants to invest 10 - 15 000 into a 8-10 year old car ? nobody, so that is the whole point, it is currently not as economically effective as ICE cars when looking at the 20 year cycle, it might make sense for the owner(s) in first 8 years of life but then the car is worthless
Sorry, but you can’t relay debunk myths just by storytelling. Like, the high voltage battery in my VW GTE had to be replaced after one year - which story does that tells. Non, would be my guess - we need bigger data. Not just one’s own conviction. Zero emission is still only locally lower pollution - just be honest about exporting parts of your emissions.
My VW GTI lasted 2 months and the engine needed to be replaced, then 1 month later the gearbox. I argued my case and got a new replacement, this had a water pump issue, it then had an oil leak, actually it had oil leaks continually. Petrol cars are terrible are they not.
First point is they do last BUT also degrade with use and time. Over 3 years you will see up to 10% drop in range no matter how you charge. Rapid charging will degrade the batteries faster. Replacement batteries within the 8 year warranty are recycled batteries so NOT new ones and only warrantied for the original 8 years even if replaced at year 7. EV's have no emissions BUT the electricity used to charge them is from burning gas or coal in many countries. Cobalt is used to make petrol in the refining process as well. Lithium batteries can catch fire or fail and recently a German electric fire engine on charge burnt the fire station down. Remember the issues Boeing had with battery fires on their aircraft caused by batteries as well as Galaxy phones ? Lithium batteries are more likely to fail due to excessive heat from charging too fast. If you can't charge at home an EV is more expensive to run compared to a petrol car and insurance is higher.
Sorry .. you really do not know what your talking about. It appears your a poster boy for some EV manufacturer maybe ... but if you take the time to really look into all of this, your way off target. For example, battery life is on average around 5 years based on current market feedback. Yes sure .. a battery may last 10 years, but its capacity is at a point that makes it 'travelling range' completely useless. Regards fires ... there is stats of how many cars in China catch fire EVERY DAY. It is a problem. The media will not report it .. or plainly lie about it. There is an agenda at work. Yes .. environmentally friendly to some extent. The EV needs to work and last a certain number of years before it breaks even with petrol. Currently, the battery does not allow this break even point to be achieved really.
Where do you get your information that batteries only last 5 years? Most manufactures have an 8 years warranty. Have you ever seen an EV on fire in real life I haven't. I did a freedom of information request to BMW about how many i3's had gone on fire worldwide and the answer was 11- very low.
@jimf4748 My EV started to lose battery bars at 5 years old, it is now 8 3/4 years old and has lost 5 out of 12, with only circa 40 k miles covered. Read the warranties, they are only 'at manufacturer's discretion ', with degradation on mine they would only bring it back to 9 battery bars by replacing / repairing cells, not a new battery. It would have had to be regularly serviced all it's life, including a battery health check and a battery health check upon presentation at your expense for warranty claims or they can just riggle out.
You're spouting utter BS. Plenty of high mileage EV's with over 2/3/400k miles on original battery and motors. The great bit is that the batteries outlast the life of a vehicle and can then have a 2nd use as static storage, then finally recycled where 95%+ can be recycled. How much burnt fuel can be recycled?
@@FredFox-m9v When I sold my 24kwh Leaf at 7 years old it still had 12 out of 12 bars. It was rarely rapid charged. Mine was serviced at a Nissan dealer from new. I think Leafs are the worst for degradation
My 30 kwhr EV has now lost 5 battery bars out of 12 ( 42%) degradation and an equivelent loss of range in 8 3/4 years and circa 40 k miles. My EV myth is outside my house on my driveway, a pretty inconvenient fact actually.
The Leaf has a very bad battery design! Lacks battery cooling. Fryes the battery and results in high degradation.. Lacks possibility to stop charing at 80% for daily use: The battery is charged at 100% almost alle the time. This hurts the battery severely.
@atleyri this doesn't acount for the well documented degredation of other EV's like i pace, id3 ( look at battery life channel, 10% degradation at 2 years on the id3 ) all modern EV's with modern chemistries, modern cooling and battery management. The fact of the matter is all batteries degrade with time and use cycles, some more, some less, whereas ice cars don't. The fuel tank is the same after decades sometimes and very cheap comparatively to replace if it doesn't last. I owned a 1977 mgb roadster in chartreusse RVN 564 R if you want to look it up on tax checker, it is still on the road 47 years after manufacture. I also own several other vehicles, two of which are a 20 year old Mazda MX5 and a 17 year old Mercedes E Class avant-garde diesel. Both cars work perfectly, the ranges are as new with the Mercedes being 650 miles brimmed at highway speeds. No comparrison to my EV, which is degrading fast and at some point will not be economically viable to repair. Even if my EV is a degradation outlier on a standard deviation graph, it is certainly not a myth or the only one.
You bought the WORST EV in the 30kWh LEAF, my old 24kWh eNV-200 at 6 years old still hadn't lost a single bar. Maybe the fact they put battery cooling in the van and not the car was the reason and that everyone now builds with battery management systems
@@FredFox-m9v Nissan leaf... costs £23,000 to replace the battery
@jimmys6566 They are selling brand new 39 kwhr Tekna Leafs ( the whole car ) on autotrader for £18760. N Connecta's are even cheaper lol.
This deserves more views. If there is one that absolutely puzzles me is the Environment part. How stupid can one be to believe that from extraction in middle of the sea or in some remote area, transporting oil by sea and then refining the stuff in a facility the size of a small town that runs on ELECTRICITY (made from burning oil), only to then load it on trains and move it to storage and petrol stations... is less polluting than modern battery tech.
Most people dont understand the whole supply chain for petrol, they just see it at the pump
@filippxx much better then to mine then build the 100kWh battey.... only to charge it using fossil fuel generation if electricity
the reason you do not notice as much the difference in miles due to cold in a petrol car... simple since they are so much less efficient to start with the extra to heat the car and such is a smaller percentage per mile. also Electric needs to heat its battery. you can minimize this when home charging by heating the interior and such while still pugged in
"Battery lasts between 10 - 20 years" ... crazy statement. That is a ridiculous range and down to luck... not a design parameter.
I must have been really lucky then to own an EV for 12 years and 120'000 miles that showed no significant range loss, BTW when I sold it I got 1/3rd of the price I paid and its still going today with zero issues
@AndyGardner-z6e yes you were; and nearer 10 than 20
7:30 The reason why you don't hear about petrol fires is that they only happen when a car crashes, the fire dept comes along and puts it out and it's no big deal.
When an EV catches fire it can happen spontaneously and requires a lot of special equipment because the fire can last for days. An EV fire can go from mild smoke to a blazing furnace in a few seconds, a thing that simply does not happen to petrol. If your petrol car catches fire it's extremely rare that you cannot simply exit the vehicle in time to be safe. In an EV you potentially have literally just seconds
The problem is not THAT an EV can catch fire, anything can catch fire. The problem is the speed at which the fire grows, the heat it produces and the fact that it cannot be put out.
Your counter arguments sound A LOT like marketing, fanfiction and propaganda and VERY little like actually well researched facts. I mean, the fact that you blame news about EV fires on the news being anti-EV propaganda betrays your lack of honesty here.
LMAO...... Tell that to a Vauxhall Zaffira owner
@@AndyGardner-z6e Good point, but the thing is you Do Remember those incidents because they were unusual for an ICE car and rightly in the news, as 70% of ICE fires are deliberate arson by joy riders and insurance claimants and so don't get reported. The trouble with EV fires is that they are almost every manufacturer and model, from Porsche to GM to BYD because of their inherent battery runaway chemistry issues, and not limited to a component batch issue with, I believe, a heater rheostat and pollen filter on one manufacturer as with the Vauxhall issue. Until battery technology changes the incidents will continue to increase and we will get another Tesla Lisbon airport fire type incident but where sadly many people are involved rather than just cars.
EVangilist! ;-) hahaha, good one! Satire :-)
Great video, but I'm still liking my diesel truck, ain't buying a electric truck
Just so you are clear, it doesn't add length to your tinky winky.
More people should know this for a better EV adoption.
and the trolls will come again when the truth is told. As for cost, well last night. 71KWH 10 hours charging and octopus will pay me around 60p, winner wiiner
@@ianrob4760 love it !!
@@ianrob4760 no... you paid Octopus
cars in 20 years will do more like 400 000 miles / 500 000 km, so the battery is not enough
another point is that anything tied to battery has to be done in specialized shop, it can not be done
in your own garage
and more to the point, look how long will the battery degrade after 8 years,
you have to basically completely replace it,
and who wants to invest 10 - 15 000 into a 8-10 year old car ? nobody,
so that is the whole point, it is currently not as economically effective as ICE cars when looking at the 20 year cycle,
it might make sense for the owner(s) in first 8 years of life but then the car is worthless
Sorry, but you can’t relay debunk myths just by storytelling. Like, the high voltage battery in my VW GTE had to be replaced after one year - which story does that tells. Non, would be my guess - we need bigger data. Not just one’s own conviction. Zero emission is still only locally lower pollution - just be honest about exporting parts of your emissions.
Ev batteries are designed to work for 10 to 20 years. But some don’t like in your case.
My VW GTI lasted 2 months and the engine needed to be replaced, then 1 month later the gearbox. I argued my case and got a new replacement, this had a water pump issue, it then had an oil leak, actually it had oil leaks continually.
Petrol cars are terrible are they not.
@@tigertoo01 say who?
@@simonwiltshire7089 you know who. I just said it lol 😂
First point is they do last BUT also degrade with use and time. Over 3 years you will see up to 10% drop in range no matter how you charge. Rapid charging will degrade the batteries faster. Replacement batteries within the 8 year warranty are recycled batteries so NOT new ones and only warrantied for the original 8 years even if replaced at year 7. EV's have no emissions BUT the electricity used to charge them is from burning gas or coal in many countries. Cobalt is used to make petrol in the refining process as well. Lithium batteries can catch fire or fail and recently a German electric fire engine on charge burnt the fire station down. Remember the issues Boeing had with battery fires on their aircraft caused by batteries as well as Galaxy phones ? Lithium batteries are more likely to fail due to excessive heat from charging too fast. If you can't charge at home an EV is more expensive to run compared to a petrol car and insurance is higher.
Ironically spreading myths on a myth video
@@jasonhutcheon5991 After working on Lithium Ion batteries not myths mate its called science so most probably beyond you.
Who’s paying this guy ??
Sorry .. you really do not know what your talking about. It appears your a poster boy for some EV manufacturer maybe ... but if you take the time to really look into all of this, your way off target. For example, battery life is on average around 5 years based on current market feedback. Yes sure .. a battery may last 10 years, but its capacity is at a point that makes it 'travelling range' completely useless. Regards fires ... there is stats of how many cars in China catch fire EVERY DAY. It is a problem. The media will not report it .. or plainly lie about it. There is an agenda at work. Yes .. environmentally friendly to some extent. The EV needs to work and last a certain number of years before it breaks even with petrol. Currently, the battery does not allow this break even point to be achieved really.
My EV started to lose battery bars at about 5 years old, now lost 5 out of 12 at nearly 9 years old.
Where do you get your information that batteries only last 5 years? Most manufactures have an 8 years warranty. Have you ever seen an EV on fire in real life I haven't. I did a freedom of information request to BMW about how many i3's had gone on fire worldwide and the answer was 11- very low.
@jimf4748 My EV started to lose battery bars at 5 years old, it is now 8 3/4 years old and has lost 5 out of 12, with only circa 40 k miles covered. Read the warranties, they are only 'at manufacturer's discretion ', with degradation on mine they would only bring it back to 9 battery bars by replacing / repairing cells, not a new battery. It would have had to be regularly serviced all it's life, including a battery health check and a battery health check upon presentation at your expense for warranty claims or they can just riggle out.
You're spouting utter BS.
Plenty of high mileage EV's with over 2/3/400k miles on original battery and motors. The great bit is that the batteries outlast the life of a vehicle and can then have a 2nd use as static storage, then finally recycled where 95%+ can be recycled.
How much burnt fuel can be recycled?
@@FredFox-m9v When I sold my 24kwh Leaf at 7 years old it still had 12 out of 12 bars. It was rarely rapid charged. Mine was serviced at a Nissan dealer from new. I think Leafs are the worst for degradation