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I can promise you it’s RL 26, I have a couple of pounds RL 25 and met the velocity exactly at the lowest charge. We also bought a couple of the first boxes of the Hornady 175 Eld-x and hit 3080 fps out of a 26” barrel and same hole group at 100 yards. Subsequent ammo lots went to crap, couldn’t get accuracy and couldn’t get the same velocity 2875. Same exact experience as you. Have tried other powders but couldn’t duplicate the RL 26/25. And yes if you don’t want to reload there is no need for the 7 PRC

So if I’ve got a 7 PRC with a 26” barrel running 175 ELD-X’s in Peterson brass with h1000, should I go above max book load as long as there are no pressure signs to achieve 100% burn?

Any plans to try the lrx loadings in the other 7s? The 152lrx in the 280ai?

Ordering this kit for sure

Just a suggestion... have you considered using a ShotMarker instead of the paper or gongs? You could have that running on the screen in real-time along with everything else. The ShotMarker is a very handy way to save time and keep your data organized. The other suggestion would be to use wind flags of some sort. Even just a plastic electric fence post with a strip of surveyor tape ribbon on it is worth having in the field of view near the target and a few other places on the range, YMMV

I finally got my first 100 rounds shot through my new 7 PRC 24” barrel. I shot 80 ELDX hand loads going 2800 once it settled in. Using ADG brass and H1000 (AR2217)cleaned the carbon out and then shot another 20. Loaded up a test ladder using the now once fired ADG brass, H1000, and Berger VLD 180gn Hunters. I reached max book load with no pressure, doing 2919fps. So loaded up another 5 going up in .5gn increments. I got ejector marks and a slightly stiff bolt lift at 2g over max. Going 3018fps. I really didn’t see a flat spot in the graph more a steady increase. 16 fps was the smallest increase so I loaded up 6 more going back from the load under where I hit pressure and tested them again. On the initial test of 15 shots I didn’t get 2 sequential shots landing any closer than 3/4”. They were all over the place. Then repeat test wasn’t much better. I did get 2 land 1/2” apart but it was mostly vertical but only 9 fps apart. So I think I’ll load 10 up in between them and test that? What do you reckon?

Going to test 7 rem mag with Retumbo. With my chamber and water capacity around 67k getting 3244 fps. Got 9lbs of it so might as well try it out. 26.1875” barrel. 8.5 twist. 60k would be around 3157fps

Also, would it be acceptable to just shoot a 10 shot string? Maybe I missed it or dont remember but is there a specific reason for two separate group?

bought same ammo for my new howa 7mm prc

So, we're discussing vertical POI shift and (mostly) ignoring wind calls. In this situation, how much of an impact is aerodynamic jump having, in group size and poi shift, since you're only using rough wind calls?? I think the rough wind calls are realistic to the average shooter in the field, but for precision wind calls(for readers who don't know) involves a vertical element too. Minute of whitetail under 200, these things aren't really an issue. When you start trying to play the under 1moa game, consistently, especially at longer ranges, especially counting poi shift(which you should), most people will be surprised how much a 3-5mph wind can affect your testing, even at 100. I'm just curious if it's enough difference to make a difference in this application?

I ended up watching this video in chunks of the course of the day. I apologize if you talked about this in the video. What do you attribute those vertical shifts between groups to?

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Another awesome video! Have you changed your mind about he viability of a proof barrel with a 28 Nosler?

Blast off 28 Nos is crazy. Muzzle brake is a necessity.

diggin that tripod, whats that?

Is it normal to long range hunt prone? I would at least see if it groups of a tripod

Just started reloading this spring, it's so nice to see real world results. Let's me know what I'm seeing is real and I'm not the one out in the weeds.

So I bought factory seconds 160 CX and a brand new box to compare. The base to ogive was very consistent on the factory seconds. Tips were slightly mushed. The new bullets varied in length by .004 and the base to ogive varied in length by .004. Here is where it really gets odd. I measured to jam on both bullets. They were different by .019 of jump.

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Bog used cheap bearings

in a previous video comment section you recommended to me to try N170 in my 28nosler for the purposes a mild and accurate load yet I see you did not mention it in this video. I see retumbo and H1000 seem to be a common powder as well. Curious what advantages you have seen with N170 based on your reccomendation? thanks in advance and keep up the awesome work. I am learning a ton!

i enjoyed your video finally info and facts not brass polishing i use the hornady olg on all my work ups doing the steps that you use you can make the average rifle shoot great hunting loads also i have purchased several of your products and have been 100% satisfied

Tim, awesome stuff and thank you for sharing! Every video I am learning so kudos to you, Sensei! You are improving my skills and I am applying these lessons to a new .308. It's already paying off... keep up the great work and I look forward to the next video!!

I know that this is old, but you saved my 300 NMI rifle. The rifle has been a pain. I finally got a load worked up with N565 that frequently has single digit ES figures. Recently it went to crap. After watching this video I ended up about .012-.015 Longer than my original load and things finally came back together. This morning my 500 yard cold bore was 1 inch high and dead center left to right. I was ready to give up on this problem child. But this really helped me bring it back together.

Group size is the most important factor woth regards to external ballistics as it relates to hitting at long range. Certainly more-so than ES/SDs. The majority of what it takes to shoot tiny groups is in the gun. If you have to fiddle fuck with ladder tests trying to shrink your groups, your gun is broken. Essentially, pull a load out of your butt and a good shooter will print tiny groups. Tip, a 10# rifle is grossly too light to shoot well. Especially in the real world in real conditions. We're not all going to do 50hr video series on what we know but i appreciate your effort. Im sure in practice you pick the best powder on sight, find the top and are Essentially done.

"Without a range finder you have no business shooting beyond 200 yards. Period." Exactly right. Ive western hunted every year for 30+ years, taken lots of game from 15 to 300 yards and I cringe at the youngsters who think they can just come out west and shoot elk at 1000 yards based on what the e-tools tell them. Thank you Tim for your ethical, non-egotistical, fact-based stance. You are spot on. Physics always win and most of us dont understand the mix of physics at work. Every "long-range" wanna be needs to watch and heed this video!

I’ve got brass I’ve reloaded 15 or 16 times keep waiting for a head separation but to no avail - anyway I take new Hornady whitetail and fire form the brass to my gun the reload 150 cx to 2900 7 rem mag - I haven’t killed anything yet but holy smokes they re accurate to 600 - my range finder does go farther but I’d put $ on em ‘ h 4831 sc almost maxed according to Hornady 11th but no signs easy extraction- I’m walking everyday hoping on an elk

Bam .. life long 7mag reloader - subscribed… worse I’ve been a h4831 guy forever

As usual great content. I have a little off topic question. Long range deer cartridge 257 weatherby vs 26 nosler, which do you recommend?

Good formula. Good to have a line in the sand to test to. Took your advice for the 7 saw. Going to go with the 160 CX. GRT is predicting 2887 as a pretty doable load. Going to buy a box and test to see if it lives up to that. H4350.

I currently have a 7 saw 26” 8 twist barrel with a type 2 chamber. Wanting a good mono bullet for it. Have you looked at the Cayuga bullets?

I've been doing the OCW method and it seems to work for me, but I do like this method. It's basically the OCW method with less rounds fired. I like the tinkering aspect of reloading though. It's not like the deer I shoot at less than 100 yards will know the difference in the AL woods, but I do want to get to more long range shooting. I loved giving it a shot out at the NRA Whittington Center range in NM on their silhouette targets. I'm a 7mm fan and in the process of building a 7 PRC on a Weatherby Vanguard action.

Another great video. Pick something up on everyone. Update on the 270 LRX load. Took it out for mule deer. Shot a buck at 323 broadside and a doe at 350 hard quartering to. Both one shot kills. Both were pass throughs. Both went less than 20 yards from where they were shot. Bullet is awesome! Highly, highly recommend IF it will shoot in your gun and you can keep the velocity up.

Barnes has always been my go to for hunting ammo. Those bullets are the truth I feel like they are one of the only manufacturers who aren’t over embellishing their velocities as I’ve always found myself to be near or right at box even with slightly shorter barrels then the test variant. Like you I’ve not been impressed with the Hornady ammo. I generally don’t like ELDX just as a hunting bullet but I’ve more or less been forced into it since it’s been the only option until lately. I haven’t tried the CX in my 7 PRC but if shoots anything like my 6.5 CM and 270 then it’ll be abysmal. Been waiting patiently for Barnes factory loads and I’m glad it’s finally here and performing well to boot. Can’t wait to get me a few boxes.

so does the difference in group to group dispersion go to show that what hornady says in their podcasts is correct?

Thank you very much find your video highly educational and easy for the average guy to understand.I also learned about Gordon’s reloading tool from you.I have a question to ask if I could I just had a 33xc built and I have three different powders I would like to Run , H 1000,N565,N568 and maybe 50 BMG. I want to run a simulation on Gordon’s but there is no profile for a 33xc what do you recommended to do Thanks For Your time and help ,Ed

Great series Tim. You know you could rename this series to: "Teach a man not to be a follower", or "learn to think on your own". Keep up the good work!

Dale was consistent which is good

I disagree I’ve shot 300 rounds of 7 prc precision hunters and I’ve had velocities range over 100fps and 1.25_1.5moa. Hand loads with h1000 consistent 2900fps and .55” groups

I shoot a 7prc 24 inch barrel and a competition 6.5 creedmoor, i am going to spin up a new barrel on my 6.5. Any suggestions.thank you for all the effort you put in for all us shooters. God bless

I don’t have a lot of time to do this much work. For me this series has shown the value and cost effectiveness of custom equipment that is calibrated by a professional; you get what you pay for!

You were going to compare 7 rem mag to 7 prc long distance… Why SKIP the 7 rem mag???😊

Thanks again Tim! I shoot/hunt/load in the SE USA primarily whitetail hunting out to 350 yards but I still try to implement most of what your teaching just a few different components. Thanks again. Hopefully 7mm will continue with some continuing Education.

Really cool to see the process…… the unbiased work/ investment in time that is greatly appreciated!! The 7 PRC was never meant to replace a gun someone already owned… the manufacturers own podcast stated such… seems like a great option for those that want a new 7 mm. I bought mine based on truth and not on the hype or was I steered away by the negativity around the cartridge. Your integrality shined bright throughout the series… excited to see the other results and the reloading series.

Great job as always. Love the hat! Love the Bob. Why no 160 LRX given how well it did on prior video?

Love applying these methods to my load development. Can’t get enough of this series!! Excellent work. Keep it up!

Be interesting to run a Garmin beside the Lab Radar to see any differences.

So much great information. Today I will chat about ammo. I have had what I would call, disappointing groups w Hornady’s Precision Hunter in my 7RM, 6.5 PRC, 6.5 CM (Tikka Tac A1) and 6 Creed in Ruger Precision. Groups between 1.5 - 1.75”. Smaller calibers love the Match ammo, but in my 6.5 PRC, a few times I needed to extract a loaded round, the round gets stuck in the chamber (or the bullet in the rifling). I doubt the bullet, because I have been following your method of load development and in hand loads same 147 ELD Match seated at same length as factory, does not have that issue. Took the rifle hunting in August and ran all 40 factory loads through the action and sorted out the ones that got stuck. No other brands of 6.5 PRC had this happen. I have more loads to test now that farming is done on the farm. And am anxious to run them to 600 yards as you have done. More excellent effort and content.

Positive compensation 😊 on the es vertical to actual vertical....???

Excellent, as always. Fantastic series.