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I’ll have to try it out. I ran a few games of DF since the Beta but it’s just not really sticking for me. I’ll try to give it more time over the holidays

@@timelessgamer_UK yeah I only can play armor to have fun it it. It's just not very well polished. Just remember though if you do give the AP shells a try in the IFV there's little to no splash so you have to direct hit Infy to do damage. That said it's a 2 shot most the time

I’m away from home at the moment but it’s an Alienware 34” ultra wide 4K monitor. Bought it… 3 years ago?

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We need Titanfall 3 more then ever

Amen. I tried again the other day, there’s just no way around Heli play is a mile off BF as it stands. It’s not a question of practice, needs a hell of a lot of work

Really pleased you found it useful - the TOR is definitely my favourite. Happy Railing o7

Better all round gun I agree, especially since the 50mm got nerfed

Drive on the right side of the road, as in the correct side of the road. Then came the big letters across the screen and the words Driver is on the Left. This is not the case for us in a very large part of the world who instinctively look for a driver on the right hand side of the vehicle. I can’t tell, are you serious with this comment? I mean I’d just like to know before going any further with this.

I’m afraid so! The DNA is 99.99r identical

Thanks man - I just shouted out what I see as the most pressing issues to resolve & that despite what others might be trying to tell us, DF is a poor copy in these areas. Team Jade have just poorly executed a BF2042 clone. It’s right there for all to see.

Any video which expresses a view will attract thumbs down. Just goes with the territory. For some, the moment I suggested 2042 might not be so bad after all? I probably lost them. Equally when I suggested DF might be IP infringement - bet a few ppl probably slapped thumbs down right there and then. What can you do?

I didn’t cover that Specialist as I was looking exclusively at Engineer. I only had very limited play time & didn’t want to rush. What I can say though is for the time I’ve been playing, I’ve not been rushed or C4’ed once. Guess word isn’t out about that yet - or nobody could get through all the smoke & gunsights on them to get anywhere near me 😅 I’ll keep an eye out for it

@@timelessgamer_UK hahaha yeah the game is still in its infancy, so we will see how people find new ways to beat things, in the alpha i seemed to be the only one rushing tanks with that c4 dash guy.

I don't think that's the issue -- but I can give it a look and let you know privately if I found any settings which might help.

@ i would be interested to know. i think we have to keep in mind that battlefield has had decades to get vehicles right with this being the first for these developers. not saying we go easy on them, they need to try and implement feedback on the vehicles for sure but it was never gojng to be perfect

@@jilesbraeden completely agree, and maybe (just maybe) this video will make it to someone who's in a position to consider it. Never know! I will say though that on a personal level (I don't bring my 'politics' into vids but I don't mind speaking freely in the comments section), I am not deeply impressed with the Devs' lack of originality. However we're still in Beta and there's a chance to fundamentally rethink a few things before the go-live. I would love them to convince me this will be more than an often poorly executed clone of 2042. Let's see. Vehicles would be a great place to start.

@ i agree with alot of the points in your video, so i also hope that it is seen and acted upon. in my honest opinion though with how “unoriginal” (not using the term to hate on delta its just the truth) delta force has been dosent exactly bode well for future, if delta force keeps along this path it will just be like battle bit, a moment in the spotlight, i believe battlefield 2042 could seize that moment to launch some big advertising and grab all the leaving delta force players after that spotlight is over. i will just follow the player base and find something fun in either of the games. time will tell, i just hope that either way i have a good battlefield game ( absolutely loved tanks in bf5 so far nothing has come close to that feeling )

I am 10,000,000% with you about BFV tanks. Absolutely the best. I made a few vids but ppl didn’t seem interested, but I still rock them all the time

totally fair in real life, but I'd suggest in the name of balance the game should allow players an opportunity to 'out-skill' their opponents. In real life an F35 / SU57 would obliterate absolutely everything on the field before anyone even saw or heard it (I'm no military guy but pretty sure that's how it works). They don't fly around chasing ppl with machine guns or hydr pods but damn it's fun we get to. Consider the change Dice made in nerfing the TOR railgun to stop it being a one-shot kill weapon or having projectiles mysteriously slow above a 6 degree elevation. It made the game better, because it gave opponents a shot at winning. I don't mind one unit having an upper hand over the other due to it's function, but 'certain failure' isn't good gameplay. Just my take.

I found that the only real danger to my vehicle is a Javelin, the Atlas launchers are only minimal. Once you feel 2 or 3 hits just back up and pop a smoke, I usually get away. Much more so than BF, if you commit with a vehicle and go for the objective, there’s going to be a Javelin or two waiting for you. If you happen to be in a lobby with Engineers, it can be rough. But overall yes these DF vehicles are slow and feel like moon buggies. Given how much “inspiration” was taken from BF elsewhere, they should go and have another look…

I’d cheer you if you did - everyone likes a good shot. My problem with the downward drag is the inconsistency & it makes taking cover nearly impossible. It also means we’re always going to be flying high, so tank players will never get their shot!

True, but a lot of the time Beta is representative of the final product. That’s why I said this now and not during Alpha. Just getting some thoughts out there on behalf of the Vehicle boys & girls 🫡

I’m no physicist but the BF “pull” when you get low aligns to the landing gear dropping automatically. I had assumed it was a mechanic to make it easier for players to land. Whatever it is, it’s predictable and that’s the key thing. I know when it’s going to kick in and what will trigger it. The problem with DF is I can’t for the life of me understand where the bite point is for when this effect comes into play. It means I can’t get low or try to hide in structures because the flight characteristics (particularly lift) goes to hell. I can move to hide behind a tower and all of a sudden total loss of lift and I’m crashing. The only safe thing to do is to stay high. What’s interesting is the NB in DF doesn’t seem to have this issue…

They didn’t try too hard to disguise what’s going on, did they 😅

I had no idea 😅

@@timelessgamer_UK i thought it was a render issue at first. but no i see them fly directly towards a huge group of people and just stop existing. if it was a render issue i would have gotten at least some hits or something to indicate it did hit. but no they just *poof* out of this world.

The MBT and RAM (tank destroyers) were fine, I didn’t have a lot to say about them. My gripes were certainly not in the same league as the Apache and Engineer. There wasn’t anything to differentiate them though - they were just Ok. I think on the AA gun they’re trying to stop it being “all purpose”, I’ll have a play with it and see. Overall I think a lot more work needs to go into ground vehicle control & feedback. They don’t feel enjoyable to operate as it stands

Now that the final product is starting to take shape, personally I don’t see DF as a product which can displace BF. What’s scarier is the reality that a company can rock up and “borrow” your IP so liberally. What I do think will get Dice’s and EAs attention are the string of high profile fails & financial losses in the gaming sector of late, and the clear message people won’t put up with a shoddy launch. The next title needs to be impactful & well delivered to beat off the bargain basement copycats who will inevitably turn up within a few years. I’ll keep an eye on DF but I have to say, now I’ve seen it (and assuming the Beta is representative of the final product) I’m not massively interested in it. What’s it brining us? Can’t see the value proposition right now, but I will keep exploring some of the unique game modes.

You’re absolutely right I ought to have mentioned that - there’s no customisation or factional variations like there is in BFV. Good point! I was too focused on how banal the gameplay was…

2042 at least has 5 pairs of vehicles that are different for each faction (MBT, 3 Helis and Jets) DF only has worse versions of some US vehicles and other copycats. I think not-LAV is the only not 2042 vehicle, since it's a mix of BF3-BF4 LAV and Brawler from 2042

Yup. Maybe an American tank having slow fire rate (due to manual reloading) but more damage and Russian designs would shoot faster but weaker since they have autoloaders. Or smoothbore being less accurate but high velocity. The functions/role could be similar but slight differences to equipment. If one vehicle class is obviously superior like Russian vs American APCs you could have the better ones spawn less which reflects reality where militaries might choose a basic vehicle to have more of them. They should have fighter jets but I kinda get why they don't, they would be too OP or very unrealistic given the size of the maps. Aircraft made sense during WWII or WWI where planes were smaller, slower, and had less protection and relied on hit and run, a modern jet could level the entire map and fly from one side of the map to out of bounds in less than 5sec on full afterburner. Instead maybe do remote controlled drones for one side and an older fighter for another side?

Thanks for the immensely kind words - I always try to call it honestly as I see it, as I don’t want people wasting their limited time…or at least, know what you’re going into. I for one shall be sticking on BF, only popping across to DF of friends pull me that way now and then. I’ll check in if they do anything major on patches. Cross play will be a massacre at first, but if there’s SBMM maybe that’ll spare people the worst of it! At least for the first few nights!

@@timelessgamer_UK i'm the one who asked you on your previous video if you were planning to play DF. because i knew you would give a fair and balanced input about it. the other creators are so bent to hurt BF2042 and Dice that they're willing to go over the very things you describe, or is it an incentive in the form of YT engagement or money i can't tell. but it's really difficult to find honest people speaking with their hearts and not wallet. keep it up

@@XavierAncarno yeah there's a lot of people looking for the clicks & endorsements, and I understand that. Hype sells. I mean I myself turned around a video in record time for me (4 days with work & family, it usually takes me 2 weeks from an 'idea' to fruition) because I didn't want to miss the launch weekend, but that doesn't affect what I'm going to say about the game. Got a lot of down votes on this one, mainly because ppl just seem to want to stick it to Dice (even if it's not rational or particularly productive for the next BF title). What can you do?

Let's see what BF6 brings -- I think Dice got the message from the community, even through I wasn't personally there for BF3/4. DF just ain't it, terrible controls. Feels like playing Superman64

@timelessgamer_UK LMAO superman 64😂😂.

Hell, BF Vietnam even

Poetic moment

I’d suggest that making the Apache faster / more responsive, and introducing cover in the maps (tall structures, multi storey buildings and natural terrain) would be what we need to even it up. Let us use skill to dodge shots / break line of sight. Right now it’s just too damn easy to take out an Apache

I can’t see myself getting invested in a title where the vehicle play is so poor. Vehicles are the reason I ditched CoD and moved to be a BFer, but game series I’ve played since Titanfall

The Nightbird imbalance is even more pronounced in DF. Almost nothing which can stop it except another Nightbird. Reaaaaally frustrating… I turned to the dark side for a few rounds but hated myself afterwards

I think BFV is my favourite of the titles I’ve played, I’ve never seen anything before BF1. I found aerial gameplay truly horrific in DF, I try not to be too full on in video commentary but in the comments section I don’t mind calling it what I think it is - bloody awful. Ground vehicle play is at least tolerable if a little bit like driving on the moon. Whomever programmed the Helis need to be sat down and told to go back to the drawing board. The game itself just feels a bit bland to me, but it’s early days. I will give it a shot - especially extraction mode - but as it stands I can’t really see DF as more of a distraction from time to time versus something I can get into. The stationary AA guns in DF I found to be quite ineffective - thank God they didn’t copy BFV on that one!! We’d be cooked the second we appeared 😂

@@timelessgamer_UK even if they are ineffective, they are still some kind of threat. I had a situation when I barely destroyed AA tank in Apache and I was already retreating to reload flares and suddenly Im dead by stationary AA. Probably if I played longer, there would be more situations like this, but for now, its probably enough Delta Force for me.

On the face of it agree - I will explore the Extraction mode but otherwise why play this? Cheap copy of something which is £4.99 on sale. Season 7 BF2042 and BFV bury this game. But, I wanted to see for myself!

I just googled what the Vortex Ring State is - learn something every day!

I’ve got to check this out, will look on my lunch break - sounds great! Yeah I mean you need to suspend realism in favour of gameplay. There’s not a lot of fun to be had in a rocks paper scissors match up, you’ve got to let the players Joust - even if someone has the upper hand in the engagement. Certain death isn’t interesting!!

@@timelessgamer_UK The rock-paper-scissor thing depends on the specifics. There was almost never a time where you couldn't find an isolated target for your A2G fighter to shoot; either at that base (by repositioning and keeping in mind where the AA threats are, because they can't reposition as fast as you can), or by moving to another base (because PS2 takes place on enormous shared continents with each "base" being a bit like an entire Battlefield map). Also, rocketpods (the A2G weapon) do put serious hurt on Lightnings (the AA tank). It's just their TTK against you is considerably quicker than yours against them. I think the only change they made that I really disliked is removing "rear hits" for aircraft specifically (I think it might all be the same armor when it comes to A2G specifically). That's unfortunate, since you used to be able to take risky low flyby rocket shots and 1-magazine-kill main battle tanks, which was amazing (and if that guy knew you were lining it up and he was decent, he'd just tankshell your face, 1-shotting you, so it's not like it was _that_ important for them to remove it).

That would have been a fantastic take on the tank hunter experience - I didn’t even think of that.

@@timelessgamer_UK And the "balance" is that while you are hovering behind the obstacle you are a stationary target.

That would balance out the horrible mobility. The real Apache is mobile but still a glass cannon that needs support cuz any shoulder fired missile could one shot it. Helicopters irl are very easy to shoot down but also very deadly since most vehicles aren't heavily armored from the top (which is why javelin flies up then down)

Pretty much. Don’t see the value proposition of the game to be honest. Aside from the better in menus music I’m at a bit of a loss for why I’d continue to play this

lol i could not agree more with the first statement

The key message of this video is DF isn’t a shadow of 2042 when it comes to vehicles or Engineer fun. It’s just an inferior product, and I am not impressed. Some will call me a Dice Shill but whatever - prove me wrong 😅

@@timelessgamer_UKThen call me a dice shill as well, I’ll take 2042 over the mobile phone equivalent of it any day :p

I’ve seen you fly in BF, I know you know your stuff - trust me, give it a try and you’ll see how damn hard it is to get any sort of performance out of the DF Apache. There’s so many frustrations! In terms of Wildcat power - I always prefer a little bit of “unreality” to let a game be a game. Sure an actual AA battery would annihilate anything that flies but we’re in a game - let the gamers Joust. The Wildcat since getting APS holds the upper hand, but at least us pilots are in with a shot if we can be good!

I’ll try to live up to the praise! Honestly the Heli play is tragic by comparison, they need to invest some time here. Engineers is fun but too scripted - there’s no RPG / M5 shot at an aircraft, no SOFLAM or strikes from the sky. I’d they want to challenge BF, they’re going to need to really work on this. Right now it feels very off to me. Let’s see where they take it. You playing?

Get that

I don’t rate battlefield. But it’s good for gamers that battlefield now has a competitor will see the benefit of the competition

(and runs a lot better too!)

Thanks! But doesn't BF2042 also have kernel level anticheat?

@@timelessgamer_UK Yeah your right, ill be honest, Its because its a chinese company so their data is basically the governments from what i hear.

@@timelessgamer_UK Not from a company under the umbrella of the CCP

Thanks - the hours are clearly paying off! They’re probably my favourite thing about the game. Way better in the Jet these days too

Yeah I mean it’s not a very good attempt at disguising copying someone else’s homework is it

I’ll shit my hat if they patch in a pondy and an rpg in one go

I’ll make a bet with you now, mark this comment - they’ll do it. They’ll f*ing do it 😅

@@timelessgamer_UK We shall see

I’ve not checked this explicitly, but in PvP I’ve seen the AIs die when the human players bailed out. I think their programming lets them go down with the ship