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Ah! Another new writer to get to know. Much obliged!

21k subs. ! Please, update Instantaneous Grammar A-S-A-P!!! 🙏

I'm so glad you like him! I think he's one of the few that approach the Greek myths with the reverence they deserve.

He also forgets to change his sails and then his father kills himself.

I really love this topic.

Just subbed. What a great RUclips recommendation!

It is incredible that we can glean these insights into the culture of ancient peoples from what remains of their writings.

Thanks dude.

It's pronounced me-ha-e-lee-this. Accent on lee. You are welcome 🙂

Thank you so much for doing Thucydides absolutely cannot wait! I also have the Landmark series call Thucydides !! So...... off we go, yipee !!!

Thucydides' life is also more complex than Herodotus' one. Both from a sociopolitical point of view at the time (the rise and fall of Athens) as well as from a military perspective and even a physio-psychological one. He was a soldier (a general) and a huge failure on this role, suffering from what we would call now modern-day PTSD (all his friends died before him during the war), a survivor of the Athenian Plague (an epidemic of the time) and an exile (persona non grata) from his beloved city. Most probably with an ''inferiority complex'' towards Herodotus who preceded him (as mentioned in his prologue). So, he indeed suffered during his whole lifetime and most probably died before finishing his work. So, in other words, a truly messed up Athenian :) Kudos to you, Erica, for taking up this fascinating subject matter!

When will you be starting the summary series for this and Herodotus?

I find it interesting both Thucydides and Xenophon were Sparta-philic . They were both aristocrats and Xenophon would work for Sparta. Thucydides is both the father / grandfather of history depending on how one views Herodotus. Great writing.

The Thracian link to Thucydides is based on, as you rightly mentioned, his father's name Olorus. Olorus was the name of a Thracian king a generation and half earlier who was the brother-in-law of Miltiades, the Athenian who won the battle of Marathon. However, what the connection between two Oloruses was remains a mystery.

that herodotus/thucydides parallel makes a lot of sense to why it took so long for him to be valued. we do the same thing with music and shows and other entertainment now, making pieces of entertainment “cult classics” years after they were written off. we haven’t evolved one bit since their times. 😂

Barbara Tuchman could write, you should read "The Zimmerman Telegram"

Where does one find a copy of his translation of herodotus? was looking at Amazon and I dont see it there??? didn't see it on his webpage which you so graciously provided. got to say I'm definitely interested in that! (also left a not to the marketing dept on the page, because seriously, good translations are hard to find. also why I like Ben Dykes Latin translations)

A follow up question would be "who was xenophon"? I'd like to know that...

Thank you for your amazing channel and all the content, you talk about! Very informative

Thucydides the son of a thucid ( mother ) & pirate (father) had 6 trireams @ the wars out braek thats why he was recalled from his ostrada & made an admiral on the island of samothrase near the mouth of the stymin river Thare was a Manhattan sized island thare up river was mines of electrum not pure gold Thu was in charge of keeping these resources out of the hands of the Luokonians he failed Cleon the butcher gets it back Thu will consider him & 2 billionaires from Asia minor the most responsible for the wars graer length

Fantastic setup! I think the ‘contexting’ videos are a terrific idea, it really helps to make the subject accessible. As it happens, a prof that I greatly love and admire unfortunately had no great way to approach Thucydides, and I remember it being the single most difficult text to get into. Perhaps it was just the translation (Rex Warner, Penguin), but it was just so slow and dry, I got nothing out of it. Seems like you’re going to do much better on this one, keep it up 🙌

Suspect that a general or anyone who does extensive planning, tends to be more plot driven, than "character" driven. just thinking out loud.

"The strong do what they want and the weak endure what they must". As some Americans would say "boy, howdy"

When I first read the History of The Peloponnesian War (mandatory reading in Greek high schools) I always thought that for the Melian dialogue the author was trying to convey the essence of what was said, and the actual people involved used a more diplomatic language to veil their threats, because the text is so brutal. Then the invasion of Ukraine happened

“The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.” - Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, 410 BC

I've heard Thucydides pronounced differently.

Good guy that Thucydides; the more serious, analytical historian to Herodotus’s pop history. Both are necessary and valuable. Great intro video, looking forward to the next.

I'm watching this at 430am❤ because here in California it's very early in the morning 🌞😅

Thanks again for all the great, insightful content. 👍🏻

Pretty in Pink!

Bravo again, Erica. The U.S Generals (ΣΤΡΑΤΗΓΟΙ) study ΘΟΥΚΙΔΙΔΗΣ, among others... A Greek friend, Nikephoros.

I have a rule: don't date ancient people.

Thank you for the spectacular interview! Dr. Finkel should be recognized as a universal historical treasure; he is a gem of Western civilization. When I hear him speak, I feel like dropping everything else in my life just to study cuneiform writing.

Thank you for this introduction and helping us to understand Aristophanes' comedies! Any chance of sharing a link or showing some of the illustrations to Lysistrata drawn by Aubrey Beardsley when you talk about the play? Just curious...

Hands down the most beautiful woman I've ever seen 📚

Which translation is your favorite?

Thank you so much. Excellent and very entertaining 🎉👏👏👏

I liked that “the best of the Minoans” was NOT a fighter, despite their belief system giving fighters the most pride. He saved the women from rape. He saved the men from battlefield injuries. He saved the Greeks from being wiped out. He tried to save Achilles time and time again. The “best” is a cultural and time dependent construct. But I see your points on lgbt gender roles.

I appreciated Patroclus being an anti-war humanity advocate as a narrative balance to Achilles and the other warriors. He made a good foil and narrative device for Miller’s message. I wish he could have been a bit more bold though in stating these ideals. Alas we are still following a pre set myth and so the message is meant for the readers, not the characters (except after their deaths).

First time finding you. I love the math you can pull out of the symbol in the coner of your video

Good stuff. Would be better if the woman would stop giggling.

Great dialogue 👌 👏 👍 I'm typically a devil's advocate here, but Eric is the man and a great educator who I've learned so much from and followed many generations throughout his career.

Herodotus means a lot to me, since he was the very first ancient author I ever read. I found a copy of Herodotus in a second-hand bookstore when I was...maybe 14? I was absolutely captivated by it and it is largely due to him that I found my passion for Classical history and began reading the other ancient authors. Today I am a third year undergrad studying Classical History and Archaeology. I will always be thankful for that day.

Magnificent interview. Thank you for taking the time to share a conversation with a true Legend. I suddenly had a thought I was listening to a real Gandalf. I could listen to him, and you, all day.

We just came out of the dark ane and now we have to go to the bronze age. Look, man, I'm going to the Golden Age right now.

such a great book

Great video! I loved Dr. Cline’s 1177, and I didn’t know there was a sequel.

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Hammurabi's Shoes is a faaaaaaar better title.

Wonderful interview - your guest is brilliant, and you are a fine interviewer, and pretty brilliant yourself. I thought a lot of deep, profound things were said, by both of you, but I have to be honest. One of Professor Hall's at least implicit messages is that suicides lack courage, and this I find deeply naive, and deeply offensive. No one has more of a right to anything than their own life. There are 1000 more things I could say, but I'll just leave it there, so as not to babble on.