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Can you post a link to the recall? More details ? The only info I can find is on the starter relay recall and this bike had that recall completed about 3 weeks before this fault occurred.

The title might give you a clue🤔😂

For me the issue was down to the particular in country agent rather than it being to do with Portugal itself. And from the rest of our dealing with Allianz, it appears their servo is very good in some parts and very bad in others…so perhaps down to poor supplier management (by both Allianz and BMW!)

Thanks for your comment…though I’m a little bit lost by it!😂

Interesting idea, and I think you are right, though perhaps even more retro, it would work incredibly well in a 50s style “triumph bonneville” type bike

I do basically agree with you, the point of the series is to show the good and bad bits, hence why there’s an opposite good bits video. I also agree that theses reason being the worst I can come up with show how good a bike it is. Personally I’ve booked holidays, bought goods etc. based on the bad reviews they have got. A lot of the reason I test rode and then bought my Cbr650r was a group test where it came in last and was absolutely slated.

You can do

Had similar other comments, yes of course I rode it, though when I do theses videos it’s often only after about 250 miles. Dealer stated the bike was not restricted and working normally, so I have to give my opinion on that basis.

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If your two wires are an earth and a live wire and that’s it. Connect the earth to any ground point on the bike or the negative terminal on the battery and then the other wire to the wire described in the video which only gives power with the ignition on….but you need to read the fitting instructions as it may use the handlebars as a ground and require both a permanent and switched live,

Sounds sensible, it is a great bike and I’m sure you’ll love it when you get it. Personally I’d wait until they are able to provide luggage (even if you are not ordering it yourself) as I think the lack of luggage will impact residuals

@@whojamaflip1 Thanks. As far as luggage, BMW in the US is offering 50% off the side cases if you buy a bike in 2024. The cases will be delivered later. I don't think I'll be able to take advantage of that and I'm not sure which side cases I want anyway.

It says at the start of the video that there is no new info if you have watched the first two videos…so what did you expect! It is meant to be a video just for people who are interested in the fault alone!

@whojamaflip1 my bad

The ignition module would be one of the bike's control module and most likely in control of the starter/ignition system, but as to location, to be honest, no idea! Its definitely not the same cause as the starter issue which there has been a recall on (as the bike had already had its recall for that) There has been some discussion in other chats over if they were actually refering to the Keyless ride module....which detects the keys and would also cause the same symptom, but the BMW dealer were very specific in thier description of the fault.

Too right!

I just cannot believe that a company these days think it ok to have so many problems that customers who have paid alot of money for is OK I personally would not help to increase their profits I think that when China gets to grips alot of the big companies will be worried and they will have to step up fast

I wouldn’t really expect teething issues on a bike which has been out for a year….its very 1070s BL rather than 2020s BMW

😱 not a good thing to hear!

My insurance policy won’t pay out if my bike is stolen and the steering lock is off.

Bikes with the keyless ignition fork locks have been known to hang up.

@MrGus4440 indeed, but I don’t think my insurance will buy that as an excuse for not having it on.

You could always park beside a Harley

I will take my chances verses being stranded.

That’s interesting, were you also able to see the location of the module? On my RT it’s very obvious, but I couldn’t see anything similar on the GS. Re stopping when you are riding, once started the system is designed to ride without the key, otherwise the spare key wouldn’t work. But it does warn the key isn’t there….not that that means it wouldn’t stop were the unit to fail!

@@whojamaflip1 Don't know about the GS but the RT is indeed obvious. Its a single unit incorporating the black button in the middle of the handlebars and the electronics are below that and face forward from the steering column. All very exposed to rain. I have no doubt that a module failure like I had would shut the engine down even while riding. I had a number of "fail to start" from off, in the months leading up to the big failure. Dealer thought it was a battery issue and replaced it under warranty first time it happened. Second time I disconnected and reconnected the battery and it then started. Both these times I got it to start after an initial dead response but it took hours of fiddling and in the end I think was pure luck with the voltage being removed and reapplied which might have jolted the "failing" module into life. A "sensor" failure within the module I wouldn't think would shut the engine down if running, as a lost key hence lost signal is something they program for as a safety measure. But a complete module shutdown deactivates the ECU as they are dependent systems. A bit like turning the ignition key off in a traditional system. the engine will stop.

I’ve heard of similar issues on car keyless fobs, but it requires a new fob to fix and it’s bloody expensive!

@@_gxmichy2720 can’t say for definite, but assuming you are in Italy, this shad website should Jaheim le you find local dealers www.shad.es

Good choice! 😂😂😂

The 1300 GS doesn’t have the button configuration in the same way as the 1250 so I have no idea if it has the module you describe or if it’s in the same place. The 1250 has a start button where the ignition key usually sits and then the engine start on the handlebars. The 1300 has no start button of this type in the centre of the handlebars, rather it uses the same button as my 1200RT uses for the central locking but the 1300 uses it as a start button, steering lock button and (I think) central locking. The 1300 is a very different bike to the 1250 and I would not be at all surprised if they have combined the ignition module and keyless module together. (After all the 1250/1200s were designed with keyless as an option whereas you have no choice but to have keyless on a 1300 so it would make sense to reduce part count ) all that said it doesn’t mean I’m saying you or the dealer is wrong…I simply don’t know!

Just had a compare between my RT and the GS, the black box is there on my RT ….but no sign on the GS so the system definitely differs in some way to the 1250s

I take your point, but the dealer specifically stated it was the ignition module. Now it may be they are using layman’s terms incorrectly to describe the fault (though I can’t see why they would), or it may be that both units failure can have the same impact/symptom , but either way Mark was repeating exactly what he was told…and unless they correct us, that’s what we have to go with.

The AT is a great bike, but you have to be tall enough to ride it…Mark isn’t!

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@ honest. I still have r80gs, k75, r1100gs and r1100s but I think nothing newer will come into my garage. Just don’t trust the brand anymore since the bikes became more about money than real motorcycling and friendship-freedom. Feck! Spit!

@@andymcnaughton7745 many would agree with you!

Thanks mate, agree with everything you say 😊

I LOVE the phrase " a self-licking ice cream cone of stupidity" 🤣🤣🤣 I completely get your point about technology, the problem is this: there are more and more environmental/pollution zones going up which stop you taking old bikes into them (EG we are going to Germany next year and there are areas we will have to avoid because my brothers 2006 Deauville is not complainant and you are simply not allowed to enter the zone with it.) so at some point I think we will be forced to become reliant on these types opf technology...or be very limited where we can go. Which considering the amount of mileage most bikes do and the environmental damage caused to replace them, is absolute dogmatic environmental stupidity. (That's without even getting to the cost!)

I think just nervous infront of a camera...

Amazed that the ignition modules wouldn't be ip65 or in enough of a position of protection from significant weather!

Agree they appear to be less good at testing now, or perhaps building to a lower quality. I was tald for example that Mercedes moved from a designed 21 year lifespan for the 190 to a designed 14 years for the C class because they thought customers wouldn't notice...turns out they did....perhaps BMW have folowed a similar route?

Not enough in my opinion, but Mark was happy.

@@whojamaflip1 How much ? What's the point of making a video if leave out the facts, surely this would help any other early GS owner who's going to run into this problem.

@Beeds5 Not my choice to say or not to say the amount. And as to the what’s the point of making the videos if I am not going to give the precise financial details you particularly want……you are somewhat missing the whole point! The videos flags up a significant fault with the bike, they flag up the issues you can face with international assistance, they flag up the issues around BMWs complaints procedure and they make it clear BMW are open to offer compensation….if that’s not enough for you…well sorry, but that’s all you are getting!

BMW provide it as part of the package as you buy the bike, its meant to provide a high level breakdown service across europe.

@@whojamaflip1 do you pay anything extra (on top of the bike) for it? Anyway, it's just like any other insurance: the goal of the insurance company is to provide as little coverage as possible, cut as many corners as possible, and spend as little money on you as possible. In case it's a free bonus for the bike purchase, you should be happy they did at least SOMETHING to help you.

I agree that insurance companies often try to cut corners for profit as much as possible....however I can't agree with you about being happy with it though..... Its not free, you may not see a specific line on the invoice, but you are paying a lot extra for a premium brand and this is part of that package, so you are paying for it in one way or another. And it forms part of your contract when you buy the bike. You wouldn't say for example you should feel grateful that they repair the bike when it breaks down because the bike came with a warrantee and that is a free bonus, you would just expect them to repair it and do it properly. The same is the case here, they offer a service as part of the deal when you buy the bike, they should then deliver that service, deliver it as promised and efficient because you have paid for it as part of buying the bike and they have made detailed promises about what they will deliver. At the end of the day, BMW say they are selling you a premium motorbike with a premium set of back ups should something go wrong, BMW should make sure they follow through on that promise or they have mis-sold you the bike. If we just take the attitude of "at least they did something" then this only encourages the behaviour from the insurance companies to cut corners as much as possible.

Indeed, and I have been suprised at quite how many similar stories have been in the comments about this type of thing.

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Thanks for the comment....must admit I'm suprised to see Triumph above Yamaha and also Royal Enfield being so high on your list...very interesting feedback.

Thanks Matey

Its a real shame to hear stories like that and couldn't agree more about not being an inadvertent R&D guy.

Can understand where you are coming from, I don’t think I’d be as forgiving as Mark.

Not just BMW….look at the amount of tech on pretty much every bike….even a Honda super cub has keyless ignition !