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Thumbs up appreciated :) It does make quite a tale, even if it’s a sob story!

@@whojamaflip1 Not really a 'sob story' - a set of 'snafus' that would drive most normal people insane. Since Insurance companies rely on stuff "not happening" as a business model (and that is what BMW Assist is - Bolt on Insurance) - they put together plans that are rarely tested : I wonder how many times BMW have had to recover a bike from PT - Probably could count on one hand.. ? ... (perhaps)

@Flub-A-Dub the policy covers both bikes and cars, and the office in UK definitely knew their Portugal counterparts were rubbish….so Allianz should have enough info to deal with their agents. As for sending you insane…..as you say, for a normal person it’s a problem. But for Mark….perhaps a tad too late????

I do basically agree with you, this episode might have better been described as “things that niggle me about the….” The R1250RT is definitely one of the best bikes I’ve ridden.

Having just got back from a long tour on a GS and having done one on a RS in the past Mark, the owner of both, would probably choose the RS….but only because of two things A: BMW can’t provide luggage for the GS at the moment B: the GS broke down on the tour and BMW have yet to complete it’s repatriation! (Video about that to follow!)

@@whojamaflip1 Well that sucks! I have an RS and I'm thinking of trading for a GS. I have a 35" inseam and the RS is tough on a long day even though I love riding it. I'm aware of the luggage situation so I'll go aftermarket. The break down isn't encouraging though. Thanks for the reply.

If it wasn’t for the breakdown I’d say GS over the RS, the GS has a more compliant ride and better wind protection. Plus the engine is a step forward. We think the issue with the GS is likely a fried bit of electrical post v heavy rain and I can’t find any reports of similar breakdowns on line (actually very few reports of faults) so hopefully not a common fault. But until the bike is back and repaired we won’t know.

Really interesting comment, thank you. As the owner of a R1200RT I agree with much of what you say, but also think the new r1300 GS is a very interesting bike. I think anyone who buys an Rs, RT or GS is buying a very good bike!

@@whojamaflip1 the 1300 doesn’t appeal to me at all and is grossly over-priced imho. Having seen one, I dislike the looks too. The 1250 RT is genuinely a step up from the 1200. Smoother, torquier and even more refined. I’ve ridden both many miles as a volunteer blood biker. Only the RS and 1250 RT do it for me😉

The looks of the 1300GS are definitely marmite! Having ridden a 1200rt, 1250rs&gs and a 1300gs, engine wise I completely agree with you about the 1250 being a step up from the 1200, but the 1300 is another jump forward…..I’m really looking forward to trying the 1300rt when that comes out!

Nope, afraid not

Once I’ve added the C90, no. But that’s because my choice of bikes suits my needs and space available…..if any of those change my choice would change too. For eg I would love to have a yamaha niken and a Goldwing….but can’t justify either at the moment!

I’ve seen a surprising number of people using them for light to medium off road, they do appear capable in that way. Glad you are enjoying it.

What a great comment, thank you!

Interesting summary, having ridden the pre 2021 DCT versions for over 40k miles, I would imagine you are getting the best out of the bike…it really suits the DCT box

Perhaps you may have missed the point of the video? I think you’d rather this one… ruclips.net/user/shortstVge5lEBGEw?si=-IrUgLQZLZL3ch21

Nope, my 2016 was one of the last of the bikes and they never fitted cruise. I don’t think you could even get cruises on the adventure version which continued until about 2021. This is in the UK, but I think it’s the same thing for all markets. There are some after market options, but they are either really basic (potentially dangerous) or very expensive.

Not very loud TBH, it only really starts to scream/make noise around 9000 revs

Don’t have good enough equipment to get the sound at the moment 🙁 you’d just get lots of wind noise!

That's fine​@@whojamaflip1

Some will, quick shifter or not I didn’t like it.

I would imagine a lot of what you say is right, I’d also assume the position of the radar for the blind spot mirror is involved too. Whatever the reason…..it’s shite!

Agreed , never found a way to resolve that. My current bike has this type fitted VSYSTO Motorcycle Dash Cam D6RL... www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09KTGHK4M?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share But I have the same issue with wind noise and it doesn’t permanently save clips like the Blueskysea does….couldn’t find the B1Ms available at the time though.

Not going to disagree with you there!

Thanks, hope it helped 😀

😂😂😂 sometimes it can be! Not allowed to take the bikes into the living room though 😟

According to the website it’s H0NC72IF….but that’s just me checking now, I did the video a long time ago and didn’t take note of the part number

If you don’t think that (if nothing else) both the screen and BMW connect app are rubbish, either you are blinded by the £13k plus just spent on the bike…or you’ve never ridden one!

Yup, Other half is a phrase which means husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend

So it is your friends bike ? And how many bikes you own currently?​@@whojamaflip1

Are you married or still a bachelor

I’m married and we currently have three bikes, the GS, a R1200RT and a Honda CBR650R, though I am planning on buying a Honda C90 too soon

C90 was amazing 😂​@@whojamaflip1

That must be sarcasm???

Couldn’t agree more 😀

Actually the Citroen GS has a slightly less upright position to the RT, if I had the GS I think I’d have handle bar risers to make it a little more upright.

@@whojamaflip1 Most unusual - it seems to point toward the Citroën GS being a move towards a tame cross between adventure & sports (which you seemed to allude to) - not really an purist "adventure" like the older GS's

Indeed

From what I know Honda have made limited changes to the frame between this and the previous 650R so there is a chance it would all fit back one gen, not sure how much change there has been between the 650F and R…I’d want to have a long discussion with the Honda parts guy and look over the two parts diagrams before purchasing !

They couldn’t look more solid!

😂😂 It’s not meant as a don’t buy the bike , I think it’s a great bike with no really major flaws. Though the range and app were disappointing particularly for me.

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Thank you for your helpful constructive criticism 😂😂😂😂

Good suggestion….. but I’m a bit odd…..I don’t like aftermarket exhausts or tail tidies…..I know, Motocycle God is preparing my place in hell now 😂

​@@whojamaflip1what watch you are wearing ?

And want to have a good full face helmet Any suggestions?

@nivasgamini2885 it’s a £25 Casio bought in 2018…. I’m not spending money on watches when there are bikes to buy! (You might note from my exquisite outfits, the same goes for clothes!)

Re helmets- So much down to head shape, I have a very round head and have a SCHUBERTH C5, but have had comfortable Shoie, HJC and Caberg helmets, all of which are good quality IMO

As far as I remember you don’t, but if you go on the givi website they normally have the fitting instructions available so you should be able to see there.

@@whojamaflip1 Just finished the lower guards...the lower guards are what require the exhaust to come off, not the top. some parts are definitely annoying, but at least everything went together just fine...the hardest part is getting that damn exhaust back on by myself, it is so cumbersome.

Definitely a pain in the backside, glad you are all sorted though.

I’m filming beside the bike in my garage…of course I’ve ridden it 😂 My comments are not right or wrong, they are an opinion of how the bike felt to me, I make it clear that you need to try the bike to see what you think. But I completely agree lots will love the bike and engine….the fun of biking however is that every bike is different and everyone’s taste is different, every other review I’ve seen praises the engine which is why I was surprised to find it disappointing and thought it appropriate to highlight just this one point as a word of caution to try before you buy.

Sorry, should also have said, def not an A2 hornet, I even asked the garage I borrowed it from.

You are right about the figures on paper, but……Sorry my summary was “you should ride the bike to see what you think”. Performance figures don’t tell you how it feels, I’ve described how it made me feel and flagged that as a warning to others. I have owned multiple NCs which have similar levels of torque and less bhp and been more than happy with them, I’d be more than happy with this engine in an adventure bike…..I personally didn’t feel the engine and bike sat well together. If you have ridden the bike and you still disagree with me…you would only be further proving the point I was trying to make as it’s all about how it makes you feel. 😁 Also on a side note, the higher you are in the rev range the less important the torque figure.

@@whojamaflip1 I own the bike, I use it my commuter. And your still mistaken

I’m sorry but I can’t be mistaken about how a bike made ME feel 😂 What you mean is you don’t feel that way about the bike. 😉 I’m glad you are happy with the bike and I have no doubt lots of people will be, that’s the beauty of biking, it’s so much about personal preference.

@@whojamaflip1 it’s ok as a commuter and it has a bit of character for a parallel twin. I reckon it’s favourably comparable to anything else in its section of the market. However, if it wasn’t for its reliability issues, the original 790 duke would be a good choice

Couldn’t agree more, it is a really good bike….hence why the engine was the only thing I picked fault with. Personally I think at the price point it’s a brilliant commuter/fun at the weekend type bike.

I honestly don’t know, I had the bike to about 13,000 miles and though the dealer never complained about the bars getting in the way, I don’t think a air filter change would have been due until 16,000 miles.

@@whojamaflip1 no worries! thanks for the reply!

It’s the bloody letters GS that triggers it, BMW have only used G/S since 1980 and GS since 1987….whereas the Citroen GS came out in 1970….BMW are just name thieves !

@@whojamaflip1 ... they just stole the name & you only get half as much - forgot about 2 of the wheels and a useful thing like a rain protecting roof ... not a real advancement on the 1970's 🤣

Thanks 😀

Indicators on the RS are a particular big bear of mine, but it may just be me 😂 For such a good bike, it’s just such a shame, but you are right they are bright. Didn’t drop or damage the indicators so can’t comment on if they are as fragile as they look! I think the rear lights/blinkers on the R1300RS are a joke, we have just spent £350ish improving them on our R1300GS, but the indicators ones in the hand guards are brilliant!

Not at all, 80mpg in mixed use and normal riding is easily achievable, I’ve had multiple NCs and if you thrash the hell out of them you’ll get high 60s, but any normal riding will get you to 80mpg no problem.

Re point 2….most bikers across Europe and the US are over 50 so it appears to be designed pretty well then! Plus is a “real biker” only someone who has say 80bhp or more? 90bhp? Where does real biking start?

I loved mine, but not sure your summary and mine would match!

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You are right of course, any aid must be for the disabled. No doubt you ride a bike without electric start because that’s for people without the strength to kick start a bike. 😂😂😂

Sorry I didn’t manage to help you avoid breaking a clip! Hopefully yours is like mine and it’s invisible that it’s broken once back together. Haven’t tried removing the nose cone yet…..something to look forward too! 😬😬😬

If you are holding the fairing you move it towards the front of the bike….it is very stiff and fragile so be careful ! It maybe if you loosened the front fairing around the screen/headlight it might be a bit easier but I haven’t yet tried to see if it’s possible.

Re the aspect ratio of this video, its because I shoot the "5 reasons to buy/not to buy" videos primarily to make into shorts and shorts have to be filmed in portrait as they are meant to be viewed on phones. The shorts also can only be 1 minute long so they are heavily editied down. Rather than waste the extra material, I used the full material to make a longer version as a "normal" video....but by that point I was stuck with the portrait content (I don't have a way to shoot with a safe area so I can produce both at the same time) I agree its not the best look and on my more recent videos I've switched to generally doing it as a landscape seperate piece of filming for the longer reviews. As to the the G310R, I don't think anyone would be wrong to buy one if it suits thier needs, I found it great fun to ride and put about 200 miles on it it the day I had it......and for the use you have it sounds like a good choice.

I do mostly agree with what you say, it’s one of the hardest bikes I reviewed to find negatives about and it is to an extent nitpicking, none would stop me buying the bike.

Problem is you will be paying BMW labour rates so it’s bound to be relatively costly. Personally I think it’s kind of a half BMW (not in size, but quality cache etc) so not convinced it’s worth BMWs pricing

Couldn’t agree with you more 😀

I did loads of touring on my 2016 & 2019 750x with an upgraded seat and thought it was great for touring, but I think the post 2021 bikes suspension is too harsh for touring. In trying to make the bike more sporty, they have taken away a little too much comfort for me.

Barely it's a problem - disassemble the sit and buy memory foam - any handyman can make you the best sit in the world! :)

Agree changing the seat inners is a good path……but “Any handyman “….only if you want to make your bike look like it’s been hacked about by a 4 year old. You need someone with real skill to make a seat which feels and looks good.