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could be, either way, they've acknowledged an issue and are allegedly working on a fix which is solid

think of the 5080 as just a beefed up 1080. more waveforms, more effects, higher fidelity. in vst form i'd just grab the 5080. if hardware, id go 1080

no doubt, it's basically worthless from the front panel. have to use a pc/mac editor to unlock it's full potential!

It's brutal :( I can understand in many ways why manufacturers would go down this route, but it really does seem to alienate / cause more issues for the consumer at the end of the day. Korg did it right with their classic releases in VST form. I stand by getting a physical JV/XV if you can over the VST

great bit of kit! like a spaceship in your home. incredible how far tech has advanced on the music front...

Serum is great! it's akin to a more traditional "VA" type synth, with most synths in that realm being a bit more easy to operate over a rompler. most of the controls you need to shape the sound are right there in-front of you. pretty straight forward. I think what makes sample based synths so confusing is the pages and pages of menus you have to navigate, add in layering - each patch is essentially the entire signal path multiplied 2, 3, or 4 times. it's a LOT to keep track of - though at the same time i think that speaks to the possibility being incredibly vast. ultimately i think it comes down to being able to use samples as oscillators, and layer those up. i dont recall if serum lets you load in user samplers, but if it does - you could create some similar sounds

@ oh right, no Serum doesn’t allow you to load samples as oscillators unfortunately. I’m sure that makes a big difference in making pads sound like the ones you make with these romplers. Anyways I appreciate your stuff a lot very inspiring!

Cheers! Glad to hear I'm not the only M1 user seeing this, validates that I'm not THAT crazy. I mentioned in another comment, but sounds like Roland is aware and is working towards a fix

Haha yea man I hate anything subscription....brutal precedent to set in this industry especially. Pigments is great! Really fully featured, great UI, easy to understand

If you don't want to pay subscriptions, have actual hardware!

@@resistan-y1h yeah but those old romplers are getting pricy, and take up a lot of space which I don't have. I think modern soft samplers sound pretty good if you use original 90s samples. The filters and effects in Pigments are excellent, does the job for me. There's even a plugin which emulates the DA converters in the old S950 if you want to be picky. 😉

Not to mention the scummy payment model

Can't argue with that. I only use my hardware variants these days, occasionally bust out the VST if I really need a sound and dont feel like flipping all the gear on

M1 MBP!

I liked your DSP tidbit towards the end 😉 still an incredibly cool produc none the less

It's truly a massive shame, coupled with the auth model they use on lifetime key products. Hoping they take feedback into account and adjust :)

Sorry to hear you're getting the same, I've seen similar reports from M1 users on KVR and RUclips! I saw someone from Roland comment on a KVR thread that they allegedly are making progress towards a fix, but have no ETA currently. This was like 3 days ago, so that's promising! But yea, definitely not paying money for Zenology Pro as a "fix" LMAO 😂

@@Thought-Forms Oh, that is good to know! I have to check the forum. Frankly the bad performance has kept me from purchasing any other Roland Plugins until now. Anyway thx for the video. It makes understanding the interals of these old romplers much easier :)

its all i do mate, i need help

Good stuff, grats on the pickup! 💪

@@Thought-Forms BTW, as I could select two instruments "for life", I also chose the D-50 (which also has been mentioned in detail on this channel)!

try before you buy ! B^€

Roland, unlike Korg, has big problems with CPU load

yea yea, the JV/XV lineage is all over those old games. ace combat had a bunch of the flangey pads off the series. great sounds!

@@Thought-Forms Yeah i could hear Jet Pad 2 a lot of times

I have this same question..even mono doesnt make the bells stop panning left & right. Am I just missing something?

Just took a quick look, On Keep :-) specifically there is a 3-TAP PAN DELAY MFX set, you can turn that off. Then under TVA each tone is panned left and right, with some filter modulation which makes it appear to be kind of flying around. set panning for both to 0. lmk if that works

@@Thought-Forms Thanks for your reply -- I actually mean that the Keep :-) patch is randomized as in, everytime you hit play, there seems to be a pool of 6-7 or so, random different waves it plays the notes effects-wise, if that makes sense. Mfx and all extraneous stuff turned off. I guess there's no way of making it play something consistent. There's a song I made a remake of, on my channel (Get Another Boyfriend), that has this patch in it, but I left it out, because I couldn't get it to do what it was doing in the original song's instrumental lol

DO IT

Agreed, good deal! Alternatively go for a jv1080, about similar price. Love my xp50 (same as jv1080)

Hell yea. Mate you can get 2080s for DIRT cheap, the value is crazy. I prefer other gear over Roland's stuff in general, but if I could only get one "vintage" synth from the 90s and was on a budget, it would be the 2080

@@Thought-Forms whats your top 5?

Of course! Not a lot of how to's on this one, so figured it was due time we get people to dive back in on this great synth. Hope you found useful mate

@@Thought-Forms Absolutely, already made my first patch! :) Thanks again, I couldn't decypher how this thing works without your help. The UI was a bit confusing, especially the envelopes.

💪thank you g!!!

use and abuse that thing

Too bad nobody ever talks about the 5050….

thank you mate!

Solid! I did the same on the Play For Life promo a few years ago, have lifetime keys for the 5080/D50/JD800. Sadly, a necessary evil to go through Roland Cloud ecosystem for these things. They're such good synths we put up with it....(or as mentioned, a physical 2080 is such a good bargain these days)

​@@Thought-Forms Yeah, similarly I was tempted by an original D-50 (apparently the keybed is excellent, as well as the actual synth side of things), but the thought of having to fix/maintain it put that idea to rest. And D-05 Boutiques are going for silly money (though they do come with the presets from all the official D-50 expansion cards which is cool)!

Does one have to actively subscribe to Roland Cloud to use their stuff? It's not enough to buy a lifetime license for a specific synth like this one for instance?

@@Vingul No, they do offer "lifetime keys" for some of the VSTs (not sure if all of them) - so for example, I have a lifetime key for the 5080 and no active subscription to the roland cloud. However, you still have to open the Roland Cloud "Hub" app every month to re-authorize the VSTs you bought a lifetime key for. The Roland Cloud hub is a gigantic PITA

​@@Thought-Forms Man, that's still really lame then. I'd rather have a program on my computer and/or hard drive and leave apps like that out of it. Thanks for the explanation.

@@Vingul I have the lifetime key as mentioned. I dont like the fact you have to be logged in with the agent running as well, otherwise the vst will glitch out like a demo version. That being said, the quality of the sound with these "romplers" are good. Just dealing with the Roland cloud bit for security is lame. I bought the full license, let me use the software without being online. Nameen?

@@datapusher- Definitely nameen, it’s an insidious development which I frankly find sinister. It’s like buying something to own it and you kind of do, but somehow not quite. You’re dependent on the system, maan. Not that I can’t understand why you put up with it or anything. It’s just that loads of things are getting more like that these days.

LFG. non-stop padmania!

We live in a padmania world 😁