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I always considered him a Minotaur and just left it at that never gave much thought until now 😂

I had this comic as a kid I was legitimately afraid of mangog

I also remember the Star Trek: The Motion Picture happy meal! It's the earliest happy meal I can remember as a kid; I can barely remember the "mysterious V'Ger" entity on the box. 🙂

Thanks for the recommendation! Really scary movie! This film falls in to what I think is a small group of films I like to classify as "Movies that pivot hard halfway" to the point it's almost a different genre. And the two halves of the movie are almost full movies in themselves. Examples of the genre: From Dusk till Dawn, Bridge to Terabithia, Life Is Beautiful, Death Proof, The Prestige, Psycho.

The name is reminiscent of "Magog," an Irish giant who combined with his brother, Gog, to form a larger giant called Gogmagog.

I’m looking at marvel essentials and the off balance panel looks fine, I think the colorist screwed up the composition by making the nurse yellow. I love thorsday.

Theres a Heroclix of Mangog. He, Fin Fang Foom and Galactus are huge.

Great video. I do have to add, there are a lot of Star Trek urban legends among the fans. One of them is regarding turning the show into a movie because of Star Wars. Not actually true but it is often repeated. Paramount wanted to bring back Star Trek all throughout the 70s because of how successful the reruns were, but couldn't figure out how. Then they finally did, with Phase II, to be the flagship show of a new Paramount Network. But the financing fell through for the network with the company they were partnering with, shortly before production began. That led to turning it into a movie because they spent millions on developing the series already and didn't want to just flush it. Incidentally, most people probably know this, but Paramount wanted to start a network in the 90s as well and have a new Star Trek show as the flagship, except it actually worked out as UPN and Voyager. By the way, another Star Trek legend is that in the original series episode when Kirk kisses Uhura in the first ever tv interracial kiss, which Star Trek is very proud of, it was particularly brave for the producers because NBC affiliates in the south refused to air that episode as a result. Except according to an executive at NBC, not one affiliate actually threatened anything and they didn't care.

That giant in the green to the left looks like Steppenwolf

I haven’t read it but the novelization of Flash Gordon is also reputedly a bit smutty.

If Mangog is inspired by Magog in the Bible, in the book of Ezekiel, the pagan Magog people live "north of the World", and metaphorically represent the forces of Evil, which associates it with Apocalyptic traditions.

Thanks for bringing back the long form comic sermons!

The novelization came out almost a full month before the movie, so I walked into opening weekend already having read it. As a result, the gaps in the movie were filled in in my mind, so I never had a problem with the first film at the time.

Who is Mangog?

The following has SPOILERS ahead. So if you have every intention of seeking this novel out to read through 45 years after the fact then read no further... 5 4 3 2 1... I will start off by saying, to pad out the spoilers ahead that I saw the movie as a kid at 8 years old. Then I tried to read the book, as I also had the comic adaptation to follow the pictures with. However the adult jargon really went over my head in the first couple of chapters. I couldn't recognize anything I was reading on the page from my memory of the movie and the comic to compare it, so I abandoned trying to read it at 8 years old. But 5 years ago I finally found the novelization at my local library after I had finished another trilogy of Shatner's "Shatnerverse" novels of a resurrected Kirk in the next generation. The adult themes are just so OMG to say the least. Wait til you find out who else was on the transporter pad with Commander Sonak when it malfunctioned and scrambled their molecules. SO... Decker's comment to Kirk about he would sleep with a torpedoe if it would save the galaxy was in relation to Kirk getting him to rekindle any sexual relations it was assumed he had had with her before. However, in their past Decker never had sexual relations with Ilea. Because Deltan relations would mind meld the 2, essentially making their mind as one as much as sexual relations make a human couple one flesh. So Decker was essentially saying I'd have sex with a torpedoe if it would help. But having sex with this probe would not rekindle anything because we never went that far. However... please stop reading if you care to not be spoiled... Decker has sex with the Ilea probe. Her duplicate anatomy causes them to mind meld during sex. And just as he feels he is mentally and physically One with his true love, the Probe goes back into a logical and mechanical demeanor. In which Decker on a spiritual level truly feels the rug yanked out from him and he was prone to go insane for not being with her. Fast forward to the decision to manually trigger the final sequence, it was because Decker figured this was his last chance to truly fully be joined with the true Ilea who must still exist within the memories of V'Ger, this is when he tells Kirk "Jim, I WANT this. As much as you wanted the Enterprise, I want THIS!" So is this context we understand why Decker would take this leap of faith to rejoin Ilea. He would stand to be a broken shell of a man if V'Ger transmitted the data without joining with the creator first. It was an absolute bonkers of a concept, enough to have made me want to start my own RUclips channel if I had the savvy to follow through.

Sexuality was dealt with very bluntly in 1970s Hollywood, which made films for adults who favored realism over grandstanding.

I was 5 when the movie came out and my Dad took me. I still remember that experience whenever I watch the DVD. I have a few of the action figures and the model kits as well. Christmas 1979.

I wish modern Star Trek was more like this book.

Star Trek The Motion Picture The Novelization is ok..... Star Trek The Motion Picture The Photo Story was waaaay better. They should have been combined.

A bonkers idea: AI the best parts of the novelization into ST TMP

1 hour long audiobook Conan the barbarian audiobook 1 hour 6 minutes basically the movie in an audiobook I highly recommend it, it's badass!

There’s a great series of videos on RUclips by a channel called Totally Awesome Films that chronicle the making of all the TOS movies. The video about The Motion Picture production is bonkers, especially the special effects issues they had. Highly recommended it.

The book is really good. However, Wrath of Khan novelization by McIntyre was also very good. More personal angles in the Khan Novel - you develop some sympathy towards Khan in the end.

One nitpick of the series though is that there is a royal family at all that Mari and Argon are a part of. Though it isn't mentioned much throughout the whole series, Mari's family name is Rann as well. But we also learn that Dalan and Sepsis Rann (Arcturus' parents) are executed soon after Arcturus departed for his 1000 year journey. Then much later in the series, we find out that Arcturus was their only heir.

Yes it's a great novel.

The dialogue, it's very Ditko. Responsibility of a given ability, lest be taken away.

You think this is bonkers, there is a novelization of “Zardoz” out there.

The thing that elevates this above most novelisations is the name Gene Roddenberry on the cover. While people can debate it's canonicity obviously, it is nevertheless an insight into what Star Trek's creator saw Star Trek as. Whether that tallies up with what made it to screen or indeed what fans see Star Trek as is pretty immaterial to that point. If he were completely unshackled by executive interference and able to put "his vision" on the screen without those and other practical constraits, this is what Star Trek would be.

"The Enterprise Flyby" and the final Warp-out are beyond epic.

It's a fascinating book for the most part. The ending isn't great. Given the difficulties in production, I think the ending was settled so late in the day that it pretty much becomes a 'he said, he did' job at the end. But Roddenberry is certainly the one behind all the sexual stuff. I mean... there are 'shagging booths' for crewmembers to have sex other during quiet patches on duty!! :D The stuff about 'New Humans' is intriguingly Borg-like. All the six novelisations of the original series films are superb, with a great deal more depth and many more characters. Saavik, in particular, is a really complex character.

As someone who has written a Star Trek book (reference guide to Star Trek the animated series) I checked with my connections and it would seem that yes, Gene Roddenberry did write the novel solo. I don’t think I’ve read it since the 80s and I’m sure as a kid it probably didn’t land as well as it would today I should go back and reread it.

I'm pretty sure Roddenberry wrote it precisely because of all the sexual content. He wrote the screenplay for Pretty Maids All in a Row, which has some pretty creepy sexual content that would not fly today. I'm quite sure it wasn't Alan Dean Foster because, having read several of his novels, it just doesn't read like his style. It's also interesting how Roddenberry tries to establish some world building at the beginning with his description of Earth politics and the character of Starfleet members. Totally out of whack with later canon.

So Roseberry was kind of a creepy pervert

Movies + books = early, syndicated enlightenment

The books in general from what I have heard are kind of unhinged lol like the book about how captain Kirk has sex with the borg queen or something like that.

You should check out the first edition novel of Star Trek generations if you can find it it still has the scene with Kirk getting shot in the back and a lot of other things different from the movie

Foster was probably pulling info from the Star Trek: Phase II show bible to flesh out the characters. It was intended for the 24 episode reboot before it was repurposed for the movie - some of the stories were reworked for TNG. The sexual stuff was probably straight from Roddenberry. He kept insisting that the TNG writers room (headed by Fontana and Gerrold) include how heavily hung the Ferengi were - they put him off with "the censors will never allow it."

The characters of Decker and Ilia transition directly to Riker and Troi in The Next Generation Same backstory of a previous relationship. Beside being first first officer their names are similar - Willard Decker and William Riker. Ilia has the pheromones and Troi has empathy.

If I remember correctly Alan Dean Foster wrote the book with the knowledge that Roddenberry's name would be on it as author.

I'm going to take perhaps rightful heat for saying this but I ses Gene Roddenberry as a hack writer thet created something that others made great. Everything he touched was very pretentious and lame. You could tell he thought he was a genius

I certainly don’t know but I’m guessing ADF wrote this, just like he wrote the Star Wars novelization “by George Lucas.”

I read this in high school back in 2001 or 2002.

The uniforms in this dreadful Star Trek movie #1 were bland and boring leisure suits.😡

Gmijoe comics were great until about issue 24. At about issue 8 started the first multi iaaue atory with dr. Venom and the nerve toxin.

I read that when i was like 10 I think.

“Reporting for duty, sir.” That made me laugh out loud.

I still have that book on my shelf at home. I remember liking it when I was a kid in 1979 and I'm curious to give it another read as an adult.

I HAVE THAT PAPERBACK! Bought it new at a school book fair ($1) and kept it with me wherever I lived. Read it several times BEFORE I saw the movie. I'm looking at it on my shelf right now - it's next to my _Han Solo's Revenge_ paperback!

I remember reading this in '79 and thinking that Roddenberry was making Spock a bisexual who was keen on Kirk...😒

IMHO, the greatest novelization of all time was the book of 'National Lampoon's Animal House'. It's a far more coherent story than the movie because so much was left out of the theatrical release. If it were all put on screen, it would be a three hour long movie, at the least. Runner up is the original John Hughes 'Vacation '58' short story that was the basis of 'Vacation'. The story is far funnier. It culminates with Clark Griswold shooting Walt Disney in the leg. Then there is the 'O.C. and Stiggs' stories that appeared in National Lampoon magazine. There was a movie made by Robert Altman that is an incoherent mess. Which is to say, a Robert Altman movie. Sometimes that works, as in his version of 'M*A*S*H*', which was a VERY different story than the movie.