Turbolifts in the Cerritos Pylons? - Mike McMahan Interview (Lower Decks)
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Interviews like this prove the critics who say Lower Decks is made by people who don't know Star Trek to be blatantly false. It's not going to be everybody's cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that the team behind the show don't know or, inexplicably, hate Star Trek.
Great job as usual, Trekyards. Big thanks to Mike McMahan for taking the time to participate.
Manic great comment 👍
The more i see and hear from Mike McMahan the more I like him. Man, I would so want him to show run a live-action Trek show!
With the way CBS executives are now it's best to have the show in animated. live action shows have way more studio interference. Guys Like Mike can have more creative freedom because TV executives traditionally don't really care about animation enough like regular tv.
I knew there was reason for that big ass warp core.
I was wondering that too. The more i see the care in this show, the more faith i get.
It would make sense that they would need massive power output for certain establishing projects. It would also mean they could maximize more systems in combat if required. Thanks for the comment Natani.
They have enough ops to run Regula 1 lol...they might not be able to run a sonic shower when they are all busy the one time!
Man this guy is amazing! I'm glad he's in charge of lower decks
"Working with the Okudas" I wish the other shows would have done this too.
I remember reading an interview that the Discovery people wanted the Okudas for S1 but they declined because production was based in Canada and it would be too much to travel back and forth, especially at their age.
Kurtzman was trying to staff the Star Trek discovery team with as many experts on the franchise he could but being a Canadian production limited who chose to return and help out .one left because Amazon prime funded his show. He did hire Rod Roddenberry to replace him.
I love watching them nodding and grinning because they are impressed by Mike's technical knowledge for this Trek stuff
YEP! No one else on modern Trek from JJ to Disco to Picard could have answered these questions and given REAL answers.
This is why i say..best Trek since 2005!
That man really seems to know his ship.
While there are a few non-Trek elements to Lower Decks. Out of the entire New Trek shows, Lower Decks has been the most consistently Trek show of them. It shows how much love the cast and crew of the show love Star Trek. Mike should definitely be given Kurtzman's job.
It's a great show. I think the characters should takes some stuff more serious. Even if it's an animated comedy the characters should be more serious when they need to, not all the time.
@@lubricustheslippery5028 well, have you seen some of the dumb stuff in Star Trek TAS, because that was um, not the best.
@@flowerlord0 No I haven't watched TAS. I have watched all series and movies at least two times. And some fan made stuff.
This guy should be given Kurtzman's job. We need a Trekkie in charge of Star Trek.
I have to say, since hearing the first part of the interview, i’ve been checking out every podcast with Mike McMahan. Sincerely happy that he’s in charge of a Trek series. I know it’s just an entertainment franchise, but it means a lot to me to see him involved. Thank you Mike Mcmahan and Trekyards for putting this discussion together. 😊
Rod Roddenberry chose well.
Huge respect for this showrunner. I was so skeptical about Lower Decks but it has quickly become my new favorite Trek BY FAR. Michael’s obvious love of Trek is why!
winters coming and Trekyards will carry me through it.
We hope we do!
Winter is coming Game of Thrones reference
yes it is :) The most famous one
i feel that he is the Trek version of Dave Filoni from star wars clone wars , he understands the universe hes in and why and how it works
It makes sense that the turbo lift goes to engineering and now we know why the warp core is so big, info we love it.
It is so great how open Lower Decks is on the design and production process -- can't wait for the art book! 😁
I would buy the Star Trek Lower Decks Technical Manual. :D
The Cerritos Manual would certainly end up on my shelves too!
@@slighter and the Simon & Schuster STLD interactive technical manual on CD.
The first with drunken crew commentary.
I really appreciate his comment about artistic versus precision when drawing the ship and when trying to guess the size of the ship based on external elements.
It’s similar to when tv shows try to guess either the precise elevations or floor number an item is on based on knowing precisely the other variable.
They immediately assume the precise height of each floor and ignore variables like oversized lobbies and whether or not the building has a 13th floor or in much larger buildings if it has an oversized industrial floor as you go up it.
@Trekyards When you break interviews up like this can you create a playlist of the interview? This interview shows that the STLD team actually cares and it would be great to share the whole interview around.
I've enjoyed each part of this interview.
I love these episodes with Mike McMahan. He seems like a great guy, and clearly loves Star Trek.
Give this man a live action show hes giving me a warm fuzzy feeling with his love for Trek and knowledge 🖖🏻🖖🏿🖖😍
Good work. I hope there will be more interviews like this in the future.
Why can't Mike be in charge of Star Trek shows in general?! :(
Well that was just effing awesome!
Someone who cares and MAKES Star Trek for us!
This is the real deal!
Of course they are gonna get a little goofy and push the boundaries.....it's animation! I loved his explanation why.....artistic vs the hardcore Trek guys is what it comes down too when this is being made every week. I don't mind the eff ups as long as we get an HONEST answer and acknowledgement. I didn't feel lied to one single time in these 8+ minutes either.
Thank you two, Captain and Commander, for getting the attention Trek Yards deserves and having him on the show!
We love you two and support you completely!
Long live the California Class!
Great answers! I've been very with this interview. It's made me like Lower Decks more than I thought I would.
This was AWESOME!!! Love the amount of thought and love put into the show. Lower Decks is great!! More interviews with Mike please :)
I dont love the look of the ship but hearing that thought was put into it makes me respect it at least. Itd be hilarious if Eaglemoss did a model of it. Theyve certainly done models for ships that have much less screen time.
Could this guy be the Dave Filoni of Star Trek?
This show grew on me with every passing episode.
It's really cool that he has been so accessible to talk about the show and the ship!
Get this dude’s cannon and Seth MacFarlen’s live action knowledge on a live action trek show and youre guaranteed some of the best trek of all time....
He's like the Dave Filoni of Star Trek; he actually GET'S IT and respects it
I wouldnt even mind bad robot as production company, mcfarlanes stuff always looks a bit cheap
He really knows his Trek. Very refreshing
the design of the Cali class absolutely gives the look and feel of a 'workhorse' ship
Mike impresses me more I hear from him... dude is clearly a fan or at the very least... a giant nerd like a lot of the community
Indeed!
he should be the Kurtzman of the new Trek for sure!
@@timmccaffrey8307 Unfortunately that would be a lot of work to take on but i do agree!
This man is a delight to listen too :)
Really enjoyed these talks with Mike McMahan you guys did! And love the intro too! 🖖
You guys have done a great service getting McMahon. I hope this helps your channel and fans understand that a lot goes into these shows.
Thank you so much Mike for all these details you gave us, you're a big ST fan and Lower Decks is the best Star Trek show from the last 20 years!
This is so much fun having Mike here and explaining the different aspects of the Cerritos. Mike, thanks for giving us a really fun look at different parts of the Federation that we would never see if it were live action. You can push the creativity juices way out there to the point the fans do not even recognize the franchise, however, your show pushes the humor whilst keeping actual canon in place.
As always, please continue making it so 🖖🏼
Really nice to get confirmation on this stuff.
Only thing that I didn't buy was the gap in the pylon, as it doesn't actually save on hull plating vs just covering the empty space.
However, the shielded turbolift would make sense here; power conduits and most mechanicals reside in on portion while the lift is in other part heavily shielded.
The ship size is interesting. He may have given a hint by saying that it's his crappy version of the Reliant. So her saucer may be between the Enterprise B & C rather than C & D, which would also shorten her length. She's not significantly longer than Voyager it would seem.
So the pod does have the warp core and is definitely bigger than some initially thought, and the core is oversized relative to the size of the ship. Might even be the size of a Galaxy or Nebula class warp core. Lots of re-rendering about to happen.
She's a big old pickup truck with a motor that puts out a buttload of power but won't win any drag races. But she'll run all day with all the accessories powered on no problem.
Take a look at the Cerritos saucer next to the Miranda. It doesn't quite fit, but the grey area at the bottom rear section almost looks like a Miranda saucer was flipped over and dissected.
This show is more canon than Disco and Picard combined.
This is great stuff!
First, this guy is a real fan. And, it's obvious that he really cares and has really thought about this show.
Second, he gave solid answers to the questions given. Even the pylon cutouts make some sense, not so much using less construction material, but rather constructing less 'empty space' to avoid unnecessary stress on the ship... cool.
Thanks for bringing us this interview with Mike (and thanks to Mike for doing it)! I like the explanation of how big the warp core is, as well as the other details that he and the staff have thought through around the history and possible past refits of the ship. Lots to geek out about!
I know it's supposed to be a joke kinda ship but it's really nice and well designed? It's really nice to look at. Is now one of my favorite ships.
“The Great Glass Elevator” now there’s a deep reference.
Now this is a clued up Showrunner. He is amazing.
I'm loving that Mike knows his shit. So refreshing!
I absolutely love this guy's passion if Trek. Where is this enthusiasm for the other shows? You can literally feel this absence from Disco
McMahan knows his trek, good lord! Thanks guys!
Well, this is interesting. So, the Cerritos is considerably smaller than a Galaxy-class (he indicated even smaller than what Samuel indicated). My initial impression was that this was a kitbash of a Galaxy saucer. Apparently not. Now that puts some things into better perspective. Hmmm.... :)
We never thought it was close to a Galaxy Saucer, but its nice to have it confirmed! :D I love that he called out the video we showed him and im so thrilled its a smaller ship..unlike the JJ Trek or Discovery Trek which upscaled everything 2-3 times
@@power543 Yeah. It'd be interesting to see what he thought about Discovery... the ship, the show. But I suppose he isn't allowed to talk freely... :(
@power543 - Samuel, I love this guy! Because he KNOWS this ship! It’s not just a drawing he approved. He cares about how it works, how it’s laid out, and how it lines up with Trek traditions. And if he breaks a rule, he does it with thought and reason-and is able to justify it-because he actually KNEW the rules before he broke them.
Remember when that Aeries Class was chucked at the Cerritos last episode? An Aeries is pretty small, much smaller than a Constitution.
@power543 - That means I was actually wrong when I reviewed the trailer. My assumption being that the Cerritos was essentially a Galaxy kitbash, my very minor concern was that the Cerritos looked TOO impressive, too formidable to be the “least important ship in the fleet.” I said that it needed to be tiniest crappiest ship they could find-something that an Oberth crew would laugh at-to really drive home the point. But now that its small size has been verified, I am very pleased to stand corrected. I still think it should look a little crappier, but at least now, it makes more sense.
I really am pleased that Mike McMahan seems to be someone really passionate about the project, passionate about the ships, thoughtful about the ship and the show in general, and just overall seems excited about everything. It makes me appreciate the show more.
Great guy and proper Trekkie
Wow, this is a man who has his sh*t together! Answers for days. FOR DAYS!
I love his answers and how he thinks and how fleshed out his thoughts are. You see he has star trek in his blood. 💙
Love the series so far, Mike! Absolutely loved the humor!
Lower decks is really turning in to a wonderful Star Trek vehicle.
I've got to say I love how in depth they've been going with the design work on this ship. I would not mind a technical manual.
A star trek show that keeps the size of the sip in mind and knows a definite size is this a first for trek?
Well the last time that was done was Enterprise :) Its not happened in JJ, Disco or Picard...so nice to be back!
@@power543 They had issues with this even with more classic Trek... just look at the size of the Defiant.
@@kadajawi6567 Yes i know they did :) but it was 9/10 consistent especially when moveing into CGI.
The Defint was constent in all of its CGI shots, unless they speficically wanted to make a point but that also involved messing up the light rig etc. The Defiant size issues mainly came when they did the minature work as they could re-scale it as they went.
The CGI side was consistent almost always.
Fascinating
A lot of great answers, great video.
excellent interview questions and answers....
Agreed!
God I love that a massive lifelong Trekkie (and like, the HARDCORE nerdy kind) is running this show
I just had figured that the engine pod was a nod to how impractical the turbolift routing would be on something like an Oberth-class. At least the California class has thick enough pylons in relation to its size so the elevator doesn't have to show up sideways!
His working knowledge of the technology behind the ships is impressive.
I am really impressed that he is putting so much effort on building the Cerritos. And this what Trek fans (like myself) want. And when you're taking advices from the Okudas...You know that Mike means business!
In short , the California class is like the Pick-up truck of Start fleet ?
OK. I now sold on watching the show. Why this and not Discovery? Because it's clear that someone took the time to actually think out what a Federation ship should both look like and how it should function. Someone who actually loves the Trek lore. Nerds, you have won this day.
It would take a pretty good shield to protect that turbolift from the radiation and heat created by the warp engine, I'm glad they did kind of think about it though
That's a nice ship.
The more this guy talks, the more I respect this show
Despite my faith in this guy, I was still surprised I had to rewind to fully grasp one of his explanations since I wasn't at the highest volume and he spoke fast (the warp core explanation). To be able to pull such a relatively detailed, sensible scenario (compared to these days of Trek) out of nowhere caught me off guard. Such a joy to listen to him.
Only criticism / doubt is the pylon / strut explanation. Yeah, that's the normal logical explanation for why such things exist; not necessarily why the California class out of all ships needs it. It's a small ship after all; there would hardly be any material savings compared to larger ships. Why don't they have them? The cut out makes it seem there are two struts internally; a forward and a rear one, in each pylon, so do other ships not have two? Why is this one seemingly heftier?
This Can Be Pronounced to control vibration and stresses. Having no material in one place forces loads and stresses to travel along paths where material does exist. Look at an I-beam girder: take three 2X4s, stack them one on top of another with their ends put on two cinder blocks. When you stand on them, they’ll bow under your weight. Now, take those planks and glue and nail them into an I-beam shape. Put it back onto the cinder blocks, and it’ll support your weight perfectly well, and probably mine too.
@@sivalon1 Good info to add, but as I said, I understand that just fine. It doesn't explain why this ship needs such a design while a larger, more massive ship hasn't.
@@ThisCanBePronounced the California class is an engineering type. This means oversizeed/over engineered engines, warp core, nacelles, structural elements.
@@martindinner3621 Hm, I can go with that.
Hi all, I am thinking this is what all Star Trek series should have a connection to the creator or at lest one one the KEY persons so to get it from the main man. Wonderful to hear that this series is listening to the fans.
as long as they avoid the oberth situation where the size isnt clearly defined they do a good job already
"When working with the Okudas."
Their first conversation - let alone all of their work - was probably more work on canon design aesthetic than was one on Discovery and Picard combined.
Anyone who saying he dont watching the show because this is another Kurtzman show, are WRONG! Star Trek Lower Desk is a real star trek fan, Mike McMahan is show!
Exactly. It's like not watching The Mandalorian because of what they did to the Star Wars movies. We NEED to watch these kind of shows, to show the meatheads in Hollywood that we want good stories, not lectures on political correctness.
FolgoreCZ Are you high? Lower decks is full of identity politics.
@@khyronkravshera7774 Mind giving me an example? Identity politics (at least in the context I ment, there is probably a better term to use) is a different thing to tackling social problems. There is nothing wrong in doing so, if it is done in a good way. I don't care what race or gender the character is (Mariner, Sisko, Jameway, Uhura, etc.), as long as he or she uses and is shown using his or her knowledge and skills to overcome obstacles and achieve goals. What I despise is being told that the character is just the best, not being shown anything to support that claim and have him or her (let's be honest, her) just glide through the story while having everything given to her and not having to overcome any obstacle on the way (Burnham, Rey, etc.) That's what I ment by Identity politics. I haven't seen that in Lower Decks yet, maybe we were watching different shows.
The first time I saw the California Class my mind immediately thought of the Ptolemy class star ship.
I know it'll probably be a least a year if not more but I eagerly await the Eaglemoss Cerritos
So glad to see that Lower Decks is in good hands well done Mike McMahan.
Working with the Okudas......Qaplah!
One of the things about Star Trek nacelles was that you couldn't be near them during warp. The warp field kills living beings. The nacelles were always placed away from living or working areas.
So, you have to take a turbo lift through the nacelles during warp? That will kill you.
I was thinking that they would just use the transporter to get to the engineering pod. Problem solved.
They must have addressed that safety concern in Starfleet sometime after the Tos era. The oberth class ship from the TMP era has the same setup of the secondary hull being connected by the pylons to the saucer and the turbolift would have to pass Through the nacelles on that ship to get to and from the saucer to the engineering section
Awesome job well done superior commander and super captain Foley Foley Foley can Badgie. Teach you a lesson today
These talks are awesome!
I've always assumed that turbo lift shafts at least in the TNG era were laid out like Pneumatic tubes that can bend and curve and the cabin itself has its own gravity plating and inertial dampers. The episode 'Contagion' when La Forge was being thrown around the cabin I think the dampeners were failing and causing Geordi to be toused around the cabin and the lift itself was functioning normally.
I had noticed the way it looks like the red section of the nacelles had been swapped out at some point to a more compact shape. If you follow the lines they may have originally been more Enterprise B shaped and they were swapped out for a more primitive Enterprise C style.
I live that these guys love you guys
NCC-755xx tells me it's a contemporary of Voyager so 2270s. And a quick-build ship like the California class would be kinda falling apart like Cerritos seems to be after 10 years.
This ship looks like their trying to design a space station that can convert it's self into multi defense crafts. So when it gets down to a reason they can move the station and not lose it's assets.
You can really see on Sam's and the Captains faces how immensely happy they are when listening to Mike's perfect answers 😅
Put this man in charge of all Star Trek
So its been eleven months. How long is this thing?
Hey i have a question, im currently building the cerritos but im a bit stumped on the placement of engineering. i found the side blueprints of the ship and based on that and what engineering looks like in the s how im thinking its located in the saucer section under the bridge. do you know if this is true or not? im hesitant because i feel like engineering should probably be located in the lower hull
Tough little ship.
This is a ship that I saw, and liked. Then looked at it more, and have come to hate. That's usually the other way for me where ships grow on me. It's because of the light of course.
The round nacelles kinda fit into a pre-tng, post TOS movie era. The windows just perplex me, and I can't tell what are windows and what are just stupid excessive glowy bits that look like windows.
It's a shame because I really did like it. It's just that the more I see it, the more it looks like some very basic fan design of bits from all eras. And I like simple, but this just not look well thought out.
Oh well. Maybe it'll grow on me again.
Wouldn't it be incredibly dangerous to have a Turbo Lift that close to the antimatter stream in the nacelle?
Not only would anything that touches the stream be instantly disintegrated, but the amount of radiation it gives off wouldnt be too good for anyone's health, hence why Federation ships typically have nacelles far away from the Primary and Secondary hull.
They clearly found a way to shield the turbolifts. The much older oberth class ship has the same set-up
@@generalgrievous696 actually, according to the math people have done based on the Oberth's size the pylons are too small to house a Turbolift system.
The commonly accepted theory is that the two sections of the Oberh are connected via transporter.
@@stryletz well that's only if you're going to go by the smallest possible size for this ship. The oberth class has gone through the magic sizing change dilemma like the defiant class in all it's appearances. There are several possible sizes proposed being 120 m 150 m 220 m and 300 m. The ship has also been shown conflicting in Canon from having two decks on the saucer to having over four decks on the saucer. the ship in Canon is depicted as having 13 decks with deck 13 being the engineering if it was the 120 m version of the ship that would be impossible especially having a Canon crew complement of 80.
The other dilemma that we run intuitive fan argument that a turbo left going past or through the warped cells would be deadly automatically ignores the fact that the old birth a ship designed in the motion picture era when Gene Roddenberry was still steering many things creatively is that the ship design which first appeared in the search for Spock would not even have been possible according to the original rules that Gene Roddenberry laid out that the nacelles could not be near or attached to the saucer module because of the warp field that it would put off so some things by then had already been adapted in universe to even have that design in the first place.
Now according to the 13 deck layout of the ship that's Canon there's no possible way for the majority of those decks to fit into the saucer section going with the 120 m variant you would have to go with the 150 m to 220 m variant proposed to even have a possibility of all that space otherwise the decks would be too small for people to inhabit.
The last point is that the idea of having site to site transporters as a widely accepted fan theory is an interesting theory that I think is cool, but next to impossible given the technology of the era. During the TOS and motion picture era site to site transports were described as very dangerous and potentially deadly since transporters weren't as accurate back then. we didn't start seeing regular site to site transports until late next generation early Voyager DS9 era when technology had advanced to the point where it was safe enough otherwise it was mentioned before many times that the risk was too great of materializing inside of a bulkhead or wall
One of the episodes of trek yards covering this very class of ship mentioned that possible workarounds exist, but that you would have to have a much larger size oberth even to make the decks work in which case the larger design could fit a small turbo lift that would go from the primary to the secondary Hull or have Jefferies tubes and ladders that go to and from there if you went with the smallest 120m size but Again you have the impossible to ignore elephant in the room that you can't reconcile the decks if you went with the absolute smallest length And height.
I am shocked he knows Star Trek he knows de wae
Why was he not in charge of the star Trek instead of kertsman
replace Kurtzman with this TRUE TREK NERD IMMEDIATELY.
ship Ncc-1700
Very very close to the Yeager in theory!
Nope. The Cerritos is a dumb design. It would have been fine if there was a centrally mounted dorsal between the two hulls.
I'm glad that someone in series creation is thinking about questions like how the primary and secondary hulls are joined. I invite Trekkers to enjoy a completely free novel, just google Star Trek Lost Destiny.