We Just Got A BIG UPDATE On Seasonal Characters... | The Division 2
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2024
- The Division 2 team has finally dropped the much-anticipated FAQ aimed at addressing the community's biggest questions and concerns surrounding Seasons 2.0, and the introduction of Seasonal Characters. In this video we're covering the full article, and providing my perspective. Let me know your thoughts!
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Does the new information from this FAQ make you either more or less receptive towards the ideas presented in Seasons 2.0? Let me know!
Full FAQ here if you want to read through it 👉 www.ubisoft.com/en-us/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/1zLPLz9YsHDh806oFUUUhe/seasons-20-faq
I've been a casual player (re: my power level and build sucks) for maybe a year or two...getting into the game late meant I was already YEARS behind the average player, so the fact I have to start over at level 1 again every couple of months at first didnt sit right with me since I'm always so far behind I felt like I'd quickly fall behind in the season and perhaps not even finish it in time... this makes me feel a bit better as I dont really do much PvP content due to my bad builds and if everyone is a lower level like me maybe I wont feel so bad?
are we going to be able to use out exotics or during season do u farm new ones?
It cleared alot of questions up but honestly I may be alone in this opinion but I think the shd levels were a bad idea in general for the game and their balancing issues, if they capped it at 100 or capped it at the point you got all the stats maxed and just give you crafting, weapon or exotic caches once you've hit the max level then that would have been better and most likely would have curbed the outrage people are having about their 10k plus shd level characters also I'm still not on board with their new themed seasons I don't use mmrs or smgs but if they make those the focus of the season or if they make a certain gear set the focus and your starting at level 1 then it feels like they are forcing you to "try" what they want
I have to say this is a big mistake as the players who have supported this game over the years do NOT want to start over. Hundreds of hours have been spent developing a character that we enjoy playing. I am NOT interested in GRINDING another character, REPEAT NOT INTERESTED in grinding another character eac;h season. This is fing stupid and another example of the DEV's not listening to their fanbase. The whole process is a cluster truck. Way to fing complicated. I play the game to relax, not this crap. Why in heavens name would you want to add so much complexity to the game? Work your butt off to level your seasonal character to 40 only to have to repeat it again the next season, WHY?
Me too game over
It’s called a main character for a reason
As you can see the main character have 2mins of screen time
That makes their appearance more impactful to the story 😂😂😂
Yeah, it's your main...for two weeks out of every four months. Unless you want to halt progression to do a Golden Bullet or something.
My agent fought his way to the capital, spilt blood on Rosevelt Island, fought along side good friends at district union, rescued countless hostages around DC and NY, fought hunters, searched and destroyed HVT’s, and enjoyed the company of other agents in raids and incursions. Countless hours of countdown searching for the one needle in the haystack piece of gear, hours upon hours of grinding for exotics and now you want me to bench my agent for a Cherry, a FNG! I’m not sure I’m down with this.
This doesnt sound like anything the player community has been asking for. Why do I get the feeling that this is gonna be a fuck up of epic proportion?
Bc it is😢😢😢😢😢
Cap!
Because it already is. The entire announcement of this has a "fired on Friday" feel to it.
It already it the whole game has been that way for years.
Ya is a big screwing to us vets
The seasonal character only exists to bump up player times for stock holders.
bump up player times but since they will be less players playing it won't change anything 😂
Player engagement metrics. Lol
I started division earlier this year. About 320 SHD. I like the idea of my agent going through the story, trying to bring back order. Feels like me. I don’t like this idea of creating a new agent to do something else. Kind of a let down
Yes. This way, it seems that Keener is more protagonist that you. He is going to stay the whole arc and you are going to jump between characters. It is odd.
I don’t really care, the agents have no personality, no lines and don’t speak. They’re just a vehicle to get through the story. If people are that pressed, just create your new agent and make them look like the main one.
@@epcarter6You have no clue what you are talking about . It's not about creating new character dummy 🥴
Divison2 used to be a sit down and play for a bit if i got the time kind of game.
Shame. I thought i found a game i truly love to play and could fit my timetable
excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is the point of merging exp/shd levels and whatnot with my main, if it's only usable during the last 2 weeks of what? a 3 months season? that's a "no thanks" from me. and yes, i have watched the video, that answer at roughly 9:00 is stupid. if the main character is locked out of the whole storyline content and everything during a 3 month season for all but the last 2 weeks, it's virtually pointless in my view.
Four month season. There's only three per year now.
Edit: Also I agree. It's just a gimmick to force more player engagemen. Essentially shit that has nothing to do with the players or delivering anything near what they wanted.
I have a job and family so while I have loved the franchise since D1’s launch, I think my time with this franchise has come to an end. I don’t have unlimited time to grind new characters over and over again
My wife & I both work full-time and we have two kids so I feel ya. I don't see myself creating new seasonal agents season-in/season-out but what I can see myself doing is just grinding away my main agent like normal on the existing content and then in the final two weeks of the season just focusing on the new seasonal content with my main. It's not like there's really that much content in any given season to begin with so I think two weeks is adequate time to complete the new stuff with a high-level agent. One thing I love about the Division series is there's so much to do irregardless of seasonal content. I understand it can get stale over time but I love the series enough to where even 450+ hours in I still absolutely love the game (Division 2). I still do Survival in D1 too. Seasonal content is just a side dish to me.
I dont understand you guys, you don't have the time to create and enjoy a New Charakter/experience, but you Do have the time to do the same stuff week by week? Don't meen to be offensive here😊
@@Constantin1020 Grinding from 0 to 40 is not the same as doing every 4 weeks manhunt target
@@nozemi9074 that is the point, you don’t have to. Wait till the end of the season and play the main mission with your main ( meanwhile you can play everything else in the game) or create a seasonal and play the season.
@@nozemi9074 true, we will see how It will turn out, but I think the thing with the season Charakter is not about having the most op gear but rather "strugling" with wat you get, cheers mate
I think I'm going to have to tap out after this season. This series has been my absolute favorite, but this seasonal character stuff is just a bad remedy to fixing a problem they had. I hopped off of Destiny 4 years ago. Maybe it's time to go back. They seem to understand what they are and what the game is, and they seem to value the players' time better than this mess.
I'm still going to watch RG's videos, though.
Appreciate that 😄
Def come back to destiny. It’s so much to do since you’re 4 years behind.
the new destiny expansion is amazing highly recommend u try it
True destiny never did have sesonal character BUT the community started to complain that the new content was too easy. And the only way for Bungie to remedy this problem was to make the campaign missions harder. Div 2 is facing the same problem and you dont really have an easy way to fix it, so while i understand their decision to make the experience fresh.
What I'm reading is, "if you don't like seasonal content, continue to play the way you always have, and use your main character on seasonal content in the last two weeks of the season." In the meantime, they said that global events/challenges will continue to happen for main characters.
I think that's a fair regurgitation. I can't stand the thought of implementing a seasonal character model for a variety of reasons but at least we get to crush the new seasonal content with our mains in the final two weeks of each season. I just hope they don't give out special awards for seasonal characters that we'll be unable to claim with our mains during that time.
Shooting oneself in ones foot seems to be the gaming company's Achilles heel.
Looks like i won't be playing until the last two weeks of the season
They also didn't say if we have to level up each specialization yet again or unlock all the skills again, etc.
Oh damn, i didn't think about that =/
It's very very unlikely it'll happen at all cause they haven't bothered doing that since the game first came back in 2019 so why would they start now? Exactly they wouldn't
Same. I don't have FOMO so I can just grind way with my main while other people are playing the seasonal content with their new agents and then in the final two weeks of the season I'll just slam the seasonal content with my main. It's not like there's really *that* much content in any given season to begin with.
I haven't played a seasonal character in Diablo 3 or Diablo 4 and the Division 2 will be no different.
If I want the full story going forward I'll just have to be caught up through NGN lore videos.
So heres a SHD watch level to gain power. Grind 1000 for it. Now heres an expertise system. Grind EVERY item and weapon to gain power with them. Now all of it meant nothing cause you're too powerful now. Start at level 1 with stock gear. Don't worry. The one who is your main you will still be able to play with for the last 2 of the 15 week season. I hope all these new players will buy your season passes and dlc. I've played this game from the start but hat means nothing to Ubisoft. I sure as hell will not spend anymore money on this game.
Genuinely what are you doing with the current season system? Twiddling your thumbs? You yourself acknowledged you get powerful via perfect gear and SHD rank so what are you doing when a new season comes out? You have perfect gear and high SHD rank. Most of the time new gear they add sucks so what realistically are you doing?It’s boring you start the season with a near perfect character with nothing to do but farm levels for a season pass that’s 99% cosmetics and trash. Then you have boring time gated seasonal content like manhunts. And you guys wonder why the games on life support. Everyone leveled up and got their character op then quit because there’s nothing to do when seasons come out
I’m SHD 500 have near perfect gear and I don’t play anymore because seasons add nothing. 99% of the time the exotics and gear they add suck they rarely change builds so the one I have is still the best so what’s the point of playing?
@@zaiyas1408 Then why grind in the first place? Why should I grind for items in LOOTER-shooter game if i`m not going to get stronger? And also - who said that the new items on seasonal character would be good? I`m 100% sure that we will get a crap sets, weapon, talents etc.
I will leave the game after 5 years of playing and almost at 5000 SHD level. I will not leave my character behind to play with a low level character and grind all the way only to dump that character when the next season drops. It’s been fun I’m done.
Sounds like a plan. 🫡 been good serving with you agent.
they should've made it sort of an instanec so you use your main character but it reverts to a lower level and specific gear when you switch into seasonal mode
Getting the point of need to being level to 1 I think it is better idea too. At least that and let to choose some gear and weapons and skills (levelled to 1). One item each, perhaps?
Better, but still shit. Division is a LOOTER-shooter. Stripping us from playing with what gear we like is just killing the game
I'll see you on the DLC. That is if it comes out.
I think one of the biggest issues here is that the developers are implementing something quite extensive & confusing that nobody asked for.
But they haven’t (or never will) add/fix things that are smaller and likely easier to do on their end that the community has been talking about for years in some cases.
This is for the shareholders not the players.
Shareholders care about monetary gain, they don’t care if you are playing on a seasonal or main character. We don’t have enough information yet about all this to start playing the blame game.
I think even more importantly is, going by their track record, what's the likelihood that such a massive change will actually roll out smoothly? How much you want to bet that transferring seasonal character progression back to your main is going to be bugged as fuck and probably break a million things? No thanks
@@djbeema UBI: We make our game code from only the finest spaghetti. Assembled by crosseyed nimrods in the dark.
Yup. I’m done.
I don’t blame you 🫡
They're talking about modifiers but no explanation on what these modifiers are and how is everything gained during going to be transfered to my main when my main is already at max stash and inventory space.
Definitely would have been nice to get some details on the modifiers, but I expect we'll maybe see a demonstration of Y6S2's specific modifiers during those live presentations they reference.
As far as stash/inventory goes- the items on your Seasonal character will be transferred to an "interim" storage space. You then have as much time as you want to sift through that, and decide what to keep, donate, sell, etc. in accordance with however much room you have on your main. You will need to empty the interim storage before making a new Seasonal Character for the next Season, though
All I have to say is that the devs better make the seasonal rewards WORTH IT!
Naw. Historically speaking... Naw. Monetarily speaking; nope. They ain't got it, they just wrote an FAQ about how unimaginative they are and thus everyone needs to be on crutches. I mean, the same level.
Narrator: They didn't.
You will get a shiny new backpack trophy
@@MajBoothroydconsidering every recent exotic they’ve released has been DOGSHIT with the exception of ouro and st. Elmo’s. We’re getting another fire sniper 😂
@@mikerzisu9508 This is just a medalion of a dick in a butt...
Yeah... still cant get behind the idea of this seasonal character stuff. Will probably just give the game a rest for a while
So with the new season 2.0 we will be playing the same content that we have been farming for 6 years. Feels like the devs re rolling the whole community backwards to even starting at level 1 but with new mechanics. Not good at all.
Right over your head..... unbelievable 😂😂
Don't forget they can pilfer your old loot at any time to fit a gimmick as they see fit.
I can't stand the idea of seasonal characters but the "community" backlash is so over the top that I think I now dislike the player base more than anything.
This is how it's been with this game with every change. Every major change and iteration had backlash from the community.
Honestly, the loudmouths in this community are very annoying to associate with.
@@dylanmelotti4301 I am glad I didn't buy the game at release. At least I missed a fair portion of this hand-wringing.
@@dylanmelotti4301I agree that things like resolve and a bunch of other great stuff they added got backlash that wasn’t warranted, but this season character feature IS a terrible idea, and one that nobody wanted. The developers for this game tend to ignore the community (with the exception of project resolve) and add and change and twist mechanics that weren’t broken. The removing of legacy systems for example, was an awesome change. Those were BROKEN and unnecessary features. Our main character being the center of our attention, the story’s attention, the harborer of most loot, and overall most important thing in the game was a system that wasn’t broken, being changed for no other reasons besides incompetence and failure to balance the game. Simply my take on this feature is “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it” and they’re doing a WHOLE lot of fixing shit that ain’t broken.
@@MiniNadez25 but are they really removing legacy or just renaming it? You have to think about business. I believe the mastery will be legacy just rebranded “renamed.”
@@black_icon what I mean by legacy features is gear score and world tiers which were unneeded and being removed.
Lol! Yeeaaah. No, I'm good...I'm sure some others will be leaving as well as they have put hours upon hours into their character and can only get two weeks on a intermission bc they can't update their game properly with content that is enjoyable and that we actually want. Props to you Rogue for sticking by them bruh but this really ain't it with what they are doing.
9200 shd pvp and pve crazy time spent and now they come and tell to our face that they don’t give a fxck and start over just like every new player. Shame and shame again. Nice way to kick everyone away from the game
@@myaimisbad9326 Facts! This is not going to end well. I understand some creators attempting to be positive but realistically the game is dead now. Like can any content creator tell us or give us a honest (real) answer? Not something that's manufactured like let's wait and give it time to develop crap. Ppl are literally being stripped of their characters, time, and effort but we are supposed to support this BS? What was the point in grinding for SHD lvls, leveling up weapons, and ect. If you aren't gonna be powerful enough to use them on your character? Its a lot of questions that aren't being asked nor answered, but yet we still getting "Do this now" and damn "Build this now" videos. Lol! Smh!
@@antoinemoore8898too much bs absolutely no reason for the 💩 they deliver. The community has spoken they already know what the player base wants/needs but once again they bring nothing but disappointment.
i think lot of veteran will do what i am about to say. this will probably be my last season until the DLC. what season 2.0 says hell with veteran and grind we did it mean nothing and want everyone to be even. what damn point farming expertise? Want all players to be even some of us have been here for 5 plus yrs.
DZ is a no-go zone for new players even if they get a good build going - an experienced player will easily have 30-40% extra damage and armor just through expertise and watch leveling. New players get kicked from Heroic countdown and other actually hard content for the very same reason.
It sucks that the small community the game has left is such a veteran circlejerk that the devs simply do not have a way out of that issue without upsetting the players.
@@whysoslow1999Most realistic take of the situation I've seen so far
@@whysoslow1999 "vetera circlejerk" sums it up pretty well, as a casual player (idc about expertise or proficiency grind, I play whats fun) I am pretty excited for this season character stuff they've lined out
Ain't nobody quiting...stop it!
@@whysoslow1999 The 30-40% extra damage you speak of is only in the invaded DZ. The other two have balanced gear/guns so its more about the build as opposed to the power level.
I don't like the fact that you have to wait till the last 2 weeks to get access to new gear on your main characters. I feel like that hurts the whole point of the rewards track. If you have to wait that long, why waste your time doing that when you can just wait another 2 weeks and then grind for the gear in countdown.
My guess is that they want the emphasis to really be on the synergy between new gear and the Seasonal Modifiers- maybe they're that confident in the gameplay hook/potential. But I agree that rewards will be a real focal point to determine the success of the overall system
Thanks for the info! I think it does look like they didn't switched to seasonal characters just to follow trends, but actually put some thought into how it'll work. As someone playing from day 1 I'm curious to see the result. Current grind is enjoyable but mostly thanks to great core gameplay, and it wasn't exiting for a while, just something to play with brain switched off. I hope for the best at least
Hear me out... What if they make it so we have a "open seasonal map" just like sessions in GTA 5 Online.
Imagine 15 Agents joining random maps and helping each other with open world stuff.
That would be super fun.
What I'm reading:
We don't know how to balance our own game, so we're busting everyone back down to level 1 to monitor power and hold your hand.
It seems so. And considering it is a good idea. They trick is that they have let loose the game 4 years in other direction, and it is not going to be their cup of tea for an important number of people. And a test field for Division 3
Basically. Or...it's too resource-heavy to create new content (like consistent paid DLCs) so we'll just swat everyone down to scrub status and hope they think it feels fresh to be weak again.
So game design is not as easy as you're making it out to be every time they balance it the community finds a way to make a meta that breaks the game (RPM glitch, Double Companion glitch, Shotgun meta, XP farming glitch)...and people would only use that...forcing them to take action and suspend or band some players because some people would use the exploits to cheat in the game. I'm not saying that season 2.0 is going to permanently stop glitches to happen but what it is doing is putting everybody on the same playing field...so people aren't so op they are burning through the seasons track in a few hours. New players need some love too... imagine you're a new player you've reached level 40 and have made the perfect build that give you the balls to take on some of the games toughest content or go into the dark zone, only to be kicked because your level is too low or you don't have a high enough expertise lvl and get Molly wopped in the dz...and then turn around and see that it's gonna take you a long time to get to the higher lvls...would you stick around!? If you love the challenge then maybe... But most players won't and at the end of the day it is a business so they have to treat it as such while entertaining the masses. Seasons 2.0 is not that bad as everybody is making it out to be, it's just an overreaction in my opinion...
I'm predicting the loot pools will be altered as well. Anything that might upset their balance/gimmick.
@@chivo_gaming That's literally viewing it from only one narrow perspective. It's also disrespecting peoples time investment. Then again, that seems to be a theme in this life. Only the newbie customers matter, the oldies will stick around, or won't. Fuck'em.
They said no new Incursions or raids..but what about bringing in the Incursions from D1 🤔 or Survival mode perhaps? 🤔
Incursions in div 1 ware actualy epic, and survival, survival was the best game mode ever
Beta and day1 player here, I'm actually looking forward to this, if you actually listen to what is said, you can smas out SHD levels then it transfers over, its a quicker grind and will get you up there quicker
Just my opinion. If anyone feels differently that’s fine.
Personally I didn’t hear a thing that makes me want to start a new agent and regrind the campaign every season. I hate starting over and the time investment I have in my main character is substantial. That is me in this game. That’s the character that did all the stuffs! Shelving that character as a requirement to experience new content and get rewarded is a bit of a slap in the face.
I also see them trying to spin it like your main character is still relevant as straight up gaslighting. You drop your character, all its perfected builds and massive investment of time and effort for 15 weeks just to pick it up again and the end for an intermission before the next season starts?!?!
I’m not gonna do it. That’s it for me. I bought the seasons pass for season 1 and I’m not even gonna finish it. No real point.
Met some great gamers in this community, many were generous and helpful when I was learning the game. All of you take care.
Time for me to move on.
I can get the opinion but just wanted to clarify some things...
1. They already stated that you will not have to do the campaign and the seasonal characters get a huge boost to EXP to grind lvl 40 really quickly.
2. They already stated the seasonal characters stuff will transfer to the main character during the intermission so your time isn't wasted. You are just utilizing a different way of play that will allow them to focus down into a point of making content more engaging because they can fine-tooth comb it with more understanding where the player character is in its progression.
3. The main game is still going to be around. Finish your seasonal content? Go back to your main character and play the same way you always have. Once its all done you get all your progress and work on the seasonal character put right in to your character.
I get the concern and the feeling of betrayal as it isn't what we wanted but, I will still say to at least give it a shot. If it flops harder than a brick. Go find enjoyment elsewhere but don't give up before you even try.
@@Sorathedemon you do have to do the campaign again. Its level 1, albeit with accelerated levelling and as of yet unspecified gameplay modifiers
Your main character will only be of use for the two week intermission period after a 15 week season. That in my view makes the main character next to useless. Can’t experience any new content with it until a small window at the end. Also, why would I care if the stuff transfers to my main agent at the end when I can only use it during a 2 week intermission period anyway? A literal 2 weeks out of 17.
Yes, the old game will still be there but any meaningful progression through the story will be walled off behind seasonal characters.
I understand what a seasonal character model is. I don’t need to try this one to know I don’t like it.
Also, it’s a 15 hour grind to do the campaign over even with be accelerated levelling. 3 times longer than it takes me to do a mule in WONY, which I got sick of doing really fast.
Great if you’re stoked for this, but I’m not. I won’t be doing it. I’ll run some stuff this season with the one or two active clan members that are left in my group and then it’s time to retire my agent.
@@seanblanchard4353 "Finally, as a seasonal character progresses to level 40, they will not have to complete the entire campaign again. Instead, they will have the freedom to choose which content they experience without worrying about completing certain missions for specific unlocks."
@@barooboodoo you’re still grinding the campaign over and over each season. Levelling will be faster and maybe you don’t have to complete every stronghold at the end if you manage to hit 40 before that, but it’s still the same campaign missions as before and judging by what they said it’s going to be most of them.
Again, I’m not sure what the game modifiers are going to be that are supposed to make this interesting but I’m skeptics.
WONY takes me about 5ish hours to run a mule. The payout with watch points is significant, but even with that I just can’t motivate myself to play it anymore. They’re saying 15 hours to get through the seasonal character campaign run. 3X longer than a WONY run. I know myself well enough to know I’ll get sick of that pretty quickly.
I liked TD2’s campaign well enough. Good but not amazing and I certainly never saw it as infinitely repayable.
Seasonal characters just aren’t for me. It’s nothing I ever would have asked for and it seems like the majority of the community agrees. I was waiting to see what they did with seasons 2.0 to decide if I would stick with the game or not, now that I know I think it’s time to retire my agent.
I get it with the update, but just did a seasonal start over and it is not enjoyable yet.
I did a couple levels and switched bacl to my main. I would rather play with my main on Heroic and not the newbie doing missions for the first time.
The new system is not live yet, this isn't coming to the game until Year 6 Season 2 in October
I think its kinda stupid that you can only play your main char 6 weeks out of the year . The grind is officially FOR NOTHING. There is zero advantage to having a 20k SHD level character to use only a few days every 4 months.
I assume you know this and I'm just misinterpreting your wording- but just in case it was unclear, you can continue using your main character at any time you want. The Intermission periods are just when the game will *only* have main characters, and Seasonal ones will be locked out
@RogueGold yes but the same old content. Nothing new except for the 2 week period. If you want to see or do anything new.. leave your years of loot, shd, and expertise at the door.
@@RogueGold Then what`s the point of seasonal content and story itself?
I'm sorry but that 3rd paragraph is a slap in the face. "We know you spent all that time perfecting your characters builds and progression and don't worry, you'll be able to do the whole season with your main character, but only for the last 2 weeks of the season once everything's been experienced anyway." No. This is the last season I'll be playing this game. I'm angry that all my time spent in the game will be basically wasted save for the last 2 weeks of any given season. That's me done.
To me that means they only want me to log in for those 2 weeks.
Sounds like a plan. 🫡 been good serving with you agent. It’s a shame what they’re doing.
The only thing that upsets me is there isn't any incursion or raid planned.
Yeah I'm hoping later on in Year 7 or 8 (if that happens) we get another Incursion. Paradise Lost was too fun!
@RogueGold agreed. When they make something like the incursion or raids, they do such a great job. There must be struggles we don't know about.
@buddzilla187 I think the main struggle is simply resources. The Division 2 team currently has about 100 people, compared to the 600-700 on Destiny 2, for example. Revamping the entire Seasonal structure and making an all-new DLC has no doubt consumed the entirety of their bandwidth, so we'll see what they can deliver after those things are out
I may not be a huge fan of this but the time and not just hours but years I've put into this franchise...I just can't see myself walking away until I really give 2.0 a chance. I'm sorry for everyone who feels they have to step away because of this but to each their own. Thank again Rouge for keeping us updated.
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So what happens if we miss a season or don't complete the season? What if we don't have time within the intermediate 2 weeks to transfer loot? Do we lose it once the next season starts and ends? Non of what they said changes the fact that you'll have grind a new character in the same old locations. I don't wanna start a new character... And the loot? Will the only relevant loot be at lvl 40? 15 hours of irrelevance? With 15 hrs I might be able to min max one of my main character's build. It's not like my seasonal character will ever be better than my main.
Regarding the transfer storage- you can keep it there as long as you like. The only condition is that you need to clear it out before you can start a new Seasonal Character for the next Season that activates
@@RogueGoldthat’s horrible. This game is done. It was fun while it lasted. A dam shame.
For me I can look forward to seeing the new season character maybe 🤔 get new skills hopefully. Thank you for the helpful feedback and concerns on the characters love content rogue
Thank you!
At this point, it has to be clear that Division 2 is truly in its final last stages of its life span. I think all of this should also give some pause to alot of folks who are pinning all of their hopes on the Brooklyn DLC. I think even with that DLC you are going to see the limitations and boxed in nature of where the developers are at with this game. As a fan of the property of Division, a Division 3 really comes across as the only real future opportunity for long term fans and players. But even that isnt a sure bet.
I agree! Well said. God bless.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Rogue, I'm new to division 2 despite having the game for so long. I know many people don't like this change but im personally excited for it. I feel like i get to experience everyone being "new" and having to figure stuff out and actually not being skill gated to certain things. I never bothered trying the PvP because every time i tried, people are already Min-Maxed and i just don't stand a chance. The seasonal character feels like an opportunity to do cool stuff like the Dark zone and the PvP matches without the feeling of just getting swept due to someone with years of better gear and stats despite maybe similar skill level. it reminds me of Diablo 3 seasonal characters and how things transfer over.
Was waiting for this to hit! Thanks RogueGold!
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So, i guess the game is just limited to the last 2 weeks of the season for me. Thats a shame, i hope they change it
game is on sale on steam. I'm a Playstation player over SHD 3500. I always wanted to play on PC/Handheld, but never had it in me to start from the beginning. Seasonal Characters might get me to buy it on steam and use it to play seasonal characters
Game looks and play a lot better on PC. I am looking to get a clan together for seasons 2.0. I have been playing The Division 2 since release (SHD 6,000). Play off an on for seasonal missions, but am looking to start playing regularly again when seasons 2.0 drops.
Yeah gonna call it for division, damn was fun while it lasted.
It sure was fun while it lasted. Had a great time but sometimes good things must come to an end.
Do make sure to come back for the Brooklyn dlc tho. They usually make good expansions considering survival, WoNY, and some other stuff.
It is ludicrous if they think that our topped out characters are the reason to the problem with balance they are kidding theirselves. Also we will get maybe a month of our own characters in the mix and then another season will come and out primary will get benched again. Honestly every reason they have given as to why this is a good thing in their eye has really not been founded on anything but non-backed up facts. As much as I love this game this will be what drives me alway. In the end we will have the same power base on the top end and ends up where we are left currently. This will not make any new ways we play the game different. It’s all still the same as the seasonal stuff is now but also adding in seasonal characters so it’s all completely unnecessary and a huge waist of time and resources and the resources could have been put toward getting the dlc out quicker or div 3 done.
The fact that ~95% of the playerbase has been playing on maxed out characters for the past two years is quite literally the problem with the game.
What is the point of new DLCs if we are just going through the DLC on the same, maxed out, overpowered character? We beat the DLC then we are right back where we are now. Nothing left to do or grind.
Seasons 2.0 will constantly keep the game feeling fresh which no DLC or new content will do.
Well with plenty of other games to keep me occupied during that time I’ll wait for the intermission and play my main and just grind for what I want. I honestly think 2 weeks is not enough if it’s a 3 month season make it at least the final month. 2 weeks is to little for some. What if they miss out on that time.
I still stand on my hill that this is too late in the game for this to be accepted. This should be optional and those who do it are rewarded with something unique only they get.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting your wording- but you're not confined to playing your main character solely for the Intermission period. You won't miss out on anything by not being active during those 2 weeks. Those periods are just when *everybody* will be on mains, since Seasonal is rotated out, and those are the first opportunities for main characters to access the gear/content released that Season
@@RogueGold you didn’t, what i meant was what if those who just wanna wait for their main to be available is unable to during that time and do they miss out on the loot or does the seasonal stuff get added to the game base like focused loot for the gear set or chance at exotic. Or is that loot solely for the season it seems like the loot gathered from the season would be available to main once completed but didn’t see it stated or missed them confirming after the season is over the gear would drop normally.
I love the lore for division however I don’t have the time to regrind everything just to enjoy the new lore. Stuff like this turns me away because I just don’t have the ability to grind like that all over again. I played Diablo but honestly stopped after 2 resets because I just don’t like the idea of grinding my way back up to enjoy the new story. This is what I feel like is happening and it honesty sucks. I don’t have the best meta build but I get by in high level tier content I got lucky with division groups to run me through raids. I enjoy getting on and running missions or doing the season pass as is. Now I have to grind up enough to play this new stuff just leaves a sour taste. So if I can wait for the final two weeks to burn through on my main I will just hope I don’t miss out on anything. I also wish it was more than 2 weeks.
Friend took me into the game now only logins for ”the story”, he doesn’t do league doesn’t do apparel
Seasonal character would only make him play even less, or out right quit the game
Still in the air about seasonal characters. Cant help but feel they are missing an opportunity with seasons 2.0. Would've been cool for them to add these modifiers to the season in away that lets us use our existing characters. Something like heavies spwan in bigger units, move faster and buff other units during the season. Seems like they had options.
Who is to say these changes won't be coming in with the endgame re-work?
I think far too many people are forgetting there's a complete endgame re-work that we have gotten zero detail on yet.
Game is already on life-support nobody asked for this Diablo style seasoned content and most seem pissed about it this is the final nail in the coffin.
And yet you’re going to log in and play. Stop crying and stfu
Well i have not played a seasonal character platform before.
Ill stay on to check this out in this year then make an opinion by end of this year. Lets see what happens.
We need something to play with seasonal characters, new game mode like ESCORT from Xdefiant. ESCORT hub will be located somwhere underground in white house or in pentagon,.... In the Escort menu there will be fractions like division agents, rogues, true sons, black tusk, and more. After season end this character will be added to escort hub. Each character must have 1 passive skill 1 active skill, 1 ultimate skill. and some types of loadouts. This mode must have 2 options:
PVP 8 vs 8 player, played only with seasonal characters or prebulid characters and some loadouts
1. team objective trasport supply (dog) convoy from start to finish you have 5 min,
2. team don t let the convoy arrived in finish area.
After 5 min switch sides (similiar to xdefiant) adding some rewards
PVE 8 vs NPCs, 10 minutes played with main characters against all kind of Npcs like rogues, hunters, all types of legendary npcs ( maybe add new ones)
Adding some reward track for both options. Skins, clothes, specialization skins,.....
We shall see, maybe it will be fun and worth it for out mains.. vets like myself are very iffy about it
I am thinking this seasonal character slant is going to have a lore or story component as well. Possibly our main character is considered rogue? And it sounds like the seasonal character will gain XP faster? And then we transfer those SHD watch point to our main?.
Yes, you level to 40 faster- and then they said that XP gains up to a certain point with the SHD watch will be accelerated as well
Well Rogue, ill finish off the remainder of thr season or just watch the season videos. Dont think ill be bothering with D2 and return to Destiny.
Sounds like a plan. 🫡 been good serving with you agent. Enjoy Destiny 2. I heard the new season was amazing!
@@ShutterSpeedGaming it's practically the only thing close enough to Division 2. Though I still haven't played all of light fall 😂
@@kylecalder8628 play it! I heard the new season is great. Just don’t want you getting messed up like how div 2 is doing. Enjoy the game brother.
Personally this doesnt make any sense as to why they are doing this now. The player base never asked for this the only thing we all kept asking for is new content, which from the sounds of it that is not going to happen any time soon or even planned with the out right "No new raids or incursions". I am probably going to take a long break from playing Division 2 and wait to see after a couple "seasons" how this all pans out. Cause right now I dont feel like its even worth playing at the moment.
The developers can't manage the power creep anymore so they're using the Diablo system to get round it. You're right, no one asked for this. Maybe Ubisoft should've just abandoned this game at the point they intended to
In all honestly. Gaming communities do not know what's best for the games they play. Devs aren't stupid people, they're educated and they make changes based on logic, data and analytics, not emotion.
This same community threw a fit when the memento backpack bug was fixed.
i see have seasonel chartaters is a bad thing since our main chatarter has to wait for weeks to get gear from the season
Just play on your main character until the last two weeks then?
Do the blueprints and the cosmetics we have unlocked transfer to the seasonal character?
Cosmetics should be for sure yes- that's already something that's shared account-wide. Blueprints we don't yet know
@@RogueGold i mean if the cosmetics all carry over you can essentially create a “clone” of your character for the seasonal play. 😁
In short: you only get to play on your main for 2 weeks, have fun
so what is stopping people from just playing on their main character until the last two weeks of the season?
@@dylanmelotti4301😂😂 exactly what I was planning on doing Lmao
@@dylanmelotti4301 The fact that your main is time-gated from the new content until the last two weeks?
And players are stuck in the seasonal chara for the first 13 weeks if they want to grind the season pass or get new gear?
@@happy5642642 People are acting like seasonal wipes are ruining their lives.
It's not that big of a deal, man. lmao
Nobody really cared about seasonal content for the past 4 years, but now seasonal content is locked behind seasonal characters, people suddenly have this keen interest in seasonal content.
@@dylanmelotti4301 because this period is going to show the playing skill sets of the vet agents. I mean regardless where your level is at, your skills and gameplay should still be there. If you are a good player you are a good player…. 🤷🏾♂️ most vet players depend on the run of the game instead of the technique of how they play the game. There is no difference from discord. Had you ever played Discord with little skill set with a high number of players only to find out they suck at it without that level 😂😂
Even with everything explained it doesn't sound great, when they could balance things better or find another way around this, it still makes me feel like my main character was just for nothing
Sadly this is not div 1 where you got 6 gear sets and a few Brand sets+a couple of exotics. It is way more difficul to do a proper balancing in the div2 i'm afraid
Yes, seasonal characters still look fancier way for the resource mule process.
Honestly, I would be more happy if this system had meta progression.
- Like for each agent that we prepared and transferred (disposed of), we received a unique resource/currency, for a similar system with the watch or a wide pool of unique rewards. Not specialized boxes that are available in the Season Pass and modes vendors (Global Event, Countdown, Desent), and not just a couple of costumes, but a completely separate huge pool of rewards. Like, for example, Deep Rosk Galactic season passes or Helldivers warbonds, and all this is always available for opening and does not disappear at the end of the season.
- Or create a unit that can be sent on missions on a global map (USA or planet), as in some mobile games, for individual unique rewards.
- Well, and the opportunity to create a companion bot.
Well, the plot justification is already clear; rather, we will act as an instructor in training a new wave of agents or their number in the war with the Black Tusks.
So, once I get this seasonal character to lvl 40, will I be able to farm for the equipment I like? Or will they try to "force" me to use certain builds?
From what we know, you can farm/use whatever you like. But certain builds might be more optimal with whatever the Seasonal Modifiers is
From my understanding, seasonal characters will start directly into the endgame at SHD level 1, as if we just completed the WoNY DLC.
@@dylanmelotti4301 Yes, that's what I got too. That sucks. It's like a 4 months wony run - no shd levels, no materials, no gun levels. All our grinding dow the drain just to be "democratic" with new players.
@@costantin75 What would be the difference when The Division 3 releases? Will people still make the same complaints about all of their grinding going "down the drain"?
Same applies for Survival DLC, nobody made these complaints about all of their grinding was "down the drain" when we found out we couldn't use our mains in the DLC.
Wipes are just beneficial for new players coming in, but also for veteran players who have been playing on maxed out builds for over 2 years.
The game overall will feel refreshed, exciting and engaging.
DZs will feel like DZs again because we are not all geared out of our asses. Open world will render an actual challenge again because again, we are not geared out of our asses.
@@dylanmelotti4301 Friend, yes, it`s too soon to complain. Right now I`m just preoccupied. But actually, it makes a lot of difference - in Div3 or any other new game, we`ll be starting over once, while in Div2 we`ll be starting over eternally every few months. In Div1 and Div2 I never really played any of the "side games", except for the Underground (where you could take your main builds). So yes, I`m worried. I`m a hoarder - I like to hoard. Anyway, nice comment and point of view. Cheers!
Starting to think that seasonal character might well still be Division Agents. While Main will be possibly rouge ? After all thats the main drive of Y6 S1 for us to consider joining Keener so posibly two or more story arc's ?
We dont want to waste our precious time to a "temporary" character. We want our "main" agent to do the things in game like it supposed to do. we build connection to our main agent.
Preach brother. They’re ruining the game. It was good while it lasted.
@@ShutterSpeedGamingthey’re trying to fix shit that ain’t broken and ignoring the real issues I feel.
Im just waiting until the next dlc ive stuck around this long so i might as well see it through
What I want to know is who spends 90% of their play time in the 4 months of a season playing “seasonal content”? If I add up all the time it takes to finish the story missions and the rewards track it’s probably around 2 maybe 3 weeks. Ya I do the occasional global event also. But the majority of the remaining 3+ months are spent just messing about outside of seasonal content and responding to backup requests. My only true grind now is expertise which I can work on outside of seasons anyway. Sounds like I’m in the minority but the lore of my character in the story is not a big deal to me. Fun and challenging gameplay is. We need a change maybe this will work maybe not. But I’m going to give it a shot at least. Besides I’m always running new mules, that could be what a seasonal ends up replacing for me.
Welcome to Path of exile with GUNS
I can’t wait
These are my quick thoughts about. It is not incentivising the playing time, IMHO. Seems to being doing the opposite. Main character is only the 10% of the time. An Season can be done in 15 hours. For one 15 week season is it meaning to be done 1 hour by week? So the rest of the time is the same actual stuff? But only for that 2 weeks by season, right? So, this means that it is going to be a big gap between season and rest of the activities? And if seasonal character contributes to main character, why to go to a clean new character and not a main character downgrade to clean level for veteran players characters. Is it going to be like descent? Not having freedom to use what you have but that they give you? I am going to wait more news, but it is greatly breaking stuff. It has the benefit of doubt because it is my favourite game, but from now I think is not the best for the game. I understand the idea. The problem is the time and directions that they have left the game going other ways. And I don't have the certainty that it would attract new players (it is a 6 years old game, and they would need a good marketing campaign because it is not going to be a trending topic). Let's wait and see. From now, I am less move to play because at the end the things that now move me (expertise and looting) are going to be irrelevant (I don't play PvP) as they're only going to be useful 10% of the time in the main part of season (and strange passing form the seasonal to main character. It seems like cheating)
What about skills? Are we going to have to unlock our skills again?
Seasons will be 17 weeks and we only get to use them the last 2 weeks. Meaning we get to use our mains for 6 weeks total in seasonal content for an entire year.
Since seasonal characters start in the endgame, I am assuming all skills will be unlocked.
Still wanna know if the seasonal exotics and named items can be used on my main character before the end of the season bc if that’s so I’ll be very disappointed
Sounds like your main won't get them until the intermission.
@jaydodsworth6316 Main characters can't access them until the Intermission period
@@RogueGold wow that sucks, hope they make a way to transfer items over before then
What about more space for inventory stash,mailbox
i really hope this way of rebalancing means they can make meaningful modifiers to the seasonal chars
I hope so!
I understand why the players who have been doing all the seasons are upset but speaking as a lapsed player who got bored of seasons this sounds like something I wanna try out. It also gives me a better reason to at least try every new season.
I don't agree with you, but I think you've hit close to the real point. This isn't for the players who've been hanging around. IF this is the Darkest Timeline, then they're doing it because they believe they can make more money embracing a new/different audience than bothering with the one they got.
Start a new character and go though the new manhunt. It will be the same
mud cleanses and strengthens the spine and character, that is a very good thing!😉
Whelp that's when I'll play, during the intermission so that's cool I'll just keep playing other stuff until then that's a nice consolation prize.
Worth giving it a try again I just hope for Div2 sake people don't stop playing it or go back to div1
Are exotic caches broken today or am I having incredibly bad luck? I've opened six exotic caches today. Six Dr Homes.
I got a Mosquito from the Danny Exotic Cache, so that might just be a terribly bad string of RNG 😄
@@RogueGold I'm up to seven Dr Homes btw. Four SHD donations projects, 40 stars and a rewards track cache.
@@RogueGold Just got a Dodge City holster. Streak broken. I do have four Hollow Man masks in a row though. Keeping an eye on that one now. lol
So what the hell is the point of expertise then
Ill be trying this out. A fresh way to play the game doesn't sound bad. But it'll be in-between me playing elden ring, 7 days to die, destiny, and satisfactory. Got a lot of games to play
While this doesnt seem like something that is that big a deal for me at least until I can actually play it I think its a bad idea to go through with this considering the amount of people who seem to be wanting to just quit the game because of it maybe thats just me but i feel like its not a good idea
It’s not just you brother. Trust! What they’re doing isn’t a good idea 😂
I have a theory about all this, what if we go rouge in the seasonal character and thats why we cant do it in our main? If so then im down w this new system.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's an option to flag rogue at the start of the seasons, considering that's kinda the direction the story has been going.
A while back they wanted to bring in the mechanics to join other players game's in the open world as a rogue agent, but that was benched and instead we got AI rogue agents, this would be a great time to actually bring that idea back into the game.
You know what would be really cool... If the reason they're doing this seasonal character thing is because their planning a unique GamePlay feature for division 3 where if your agent dies, their gear drops, another agent gets called in and you take control of that agent.
Just a random thought,
Probably won't happen
Thank you for clarification. I'm not totally against this anymore. I'm excited, ngl
I've got 10,000 hours in Division 2, and SHD level almost 20,000. I'm sadden what the Devs are doing to Division 2. Hopefully, the Devs reconsider. I'm not going to give up yet until I see the full picture of the seasonal character. Thanks Rogue for keeping the community undated.
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I'm a bit unsure about having full recal library given to seasonal characters. That is a huge headstart that may still vary from player to player. Having "global events" happen LATER for seasonal characters tel lme they are not fully ready and Seasons 2.0 will launch incomplete or at least lacking content.
I just redownloaded the game. First, my main character that i had gotten to endgame is gone, and now I'm hearing that they're making us do temp characters for the season?
It's like Ubisoft is trying to drive me away...again.
Characters missing is never intended, I would definitely reach out to Ubi Support about that 👉 www.ubisoft.com/en-us/help
Started D2 about 2 weeks ago while seeing this changes go through. As a new player, this feels like even a let down for me and makes me not want to continue even finishing the storyline.
Same.. me too a new player and i saw that shit..
OOOOk, I think I figured out why they are doing what they are doing and why and if I'm correct all the B!T(hing and griping we are doing is going to do no good because they can't change it.
1. All a Seasonal Character is, is a Hard Core Character that can't die, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I am, Hard Core Characters are on their own different servers that regular toons can't interact with.
2. We will get additional stash space just like our Hard Core Characters mysteriously got a few months back, the Devs must have been already working on this and that is why they never mentioned it in updates, I thought it was very strange at the time but now it makes sense.
3. The Reason the Seasonal Characters will not be able to play Global Events is the new system they are implementing is just a re-named and Re-painted Global Event and instead of (whichever) Cashe' at level whatever it will be Comms, apparel, gear or whatever.
They won't be able to do Global Events is because the will conflict with each other.
The thing I don't get is how we are going to "share" whatever with our main toon afterward, me thinks that is going to get really hosed up and really p!$$ people off.
That could be what the Temp storage is for, You move it from Your Seasonal Character stash to the Temp and then from the Temp to your main toon.
Like I said, I think i get it now, the WHY? But I still don't like it, we'll see how right (or wrong) I am in a few months.
Only correction I'll add is that there are interactions between main and Hardcore characters- you can match up with them in Countdown, for example. But the infrastructure they're using to pull this off could be similar, that's an interesting parallel to draw. The increased Hardcore storage is a good catch too
@RogueGold I don't play much countdown So that part I don't know about but are you sure? Because with a hardcore character once you die, you die and the character is deleted, That would be foolish to go in a mode where you constantly die.
@Libertarian1776 Yep fully sure- have had plenty of run-ins with Hardcore toons in Countdown. They have the symbol next to their name so they're pretty easily identifiable. At least for me I die in maybe only 1 of 10 Countdown runs, so as long as you're cautious at the Extraction portion, it's still a prime way to farm even on Hardcore
@@RogueGold Yep, looked it up after I read your first comment (not that I didn't believe you) and sure enough (much to my surprise) they do intermingle, must be limited server space?
Anyhoo, I'm surprised anyone is foolish enough to do so, no way my Hard Core Toon is going in any PVP arenas, just got him up to SHD level 100, I know that isn't much but I don't use him a lot.
@@Libertarian1776 I believe you're thinking of Conflict- which while I'm not 100% sure, I don't think death in there will delete your Hardcore character? But I was referring to Countdown, which yeah you can mostly avoid death as long as you play safe
Farewell agents! I’m going to really I miss grinding and play div2 but I can’t do it “seasonal content my a$$”
Have fun. No one needed you.
o7.
Sorry to hear that, I am heading back in day 1 of seasons 2.0
🫡 been good serving with you agent. Hope you enjoy your new game. God bless.
@@Ron-Hellshutup dweeb.
I'll probably leave and then come back 2 weeks before season ends, speedrun a seasonal to 40, transfer gear etc. to main and experience the content ON MY MAIN!
I’m great at the division 1 and 2
Best thing for everyone. Just play dz, learn if you can and trust me you wont worry about this news at all. If you do dz every,you wont tell whats going on on division 2 at all. And you get your gears, components etc.
I'll just make a counter offer to UBI- Soft. Id like to personally offer to them a long leisurely hike. I think everyone can determine my ideal destination for the hike I've so generously offered to the current, and (just my opinion) un-generous staff of Ubi-Soft 😊
Haha, like the hard players wont power a seasonal character to 40 in an afternoon, farm the gearset they like in countdown or summit and go right to work, I know I could do it.
Can u access season pass with you’re main character?
Sounds like no, from what they've said. But you can transfer all the rewards earned from it to them during the Intermission period
@@RogueGold so stupid tbh what was the point of the Main Characters then? Fucking dumb developers lol
Wait so you can’t use your main character with the new season gear until the final 2 weeks??
Correct. Although that gear has been pretty crap the past 2 seasons so... 😂
@@djbeema I appreciate it but that’s not entirely true. Knee pads are being used for speed runs and breaking point is insanely strong right now
I'll be honest I'm kinda pissed my hard work on my main character has been sidelined, I'm on the fence about seasonal characters, this from someone who always bought the season pass from day 1...think that might change.
What is stopping you from just grinding your main character just like you have been now until the last two weeks of each season?