You would have to own both. Give me a DSG S3 for daily city driving. Especially for when you just can't be arsed and just want to be cossetted and comforted on your journey home from work. And the Civic Type R for dry sunny weekend days with maybe a track visit or two. The perfect car for blasting away the cobwebs and heightening the senses and making you feel truly alive in the moment as you frantically stir those gears and revel in the whole visceral experience of it all.
The Audi doesn't look like a hatch. It looks like a crossover that's been squashed. And the Civic doesn't look like a hatch either. It's more of a fastback.
Let me put this into perspective: The greatest, most agile, reliable FWD track car with one of the greatest manual transmissions or a Golf in a suit? I have of course already expressed my choice but, Civic Type R for sure. Edit: Just to be clear, I couldn't even force me to watch the Audi part for this video to know more about it. I tried but just went to the Type R to get my excitement up again.
Fair review, if you need to commute, then carry a wife, and/or golf clubs, parents, offspring, bulky purchases, rubbish to tip, or do other mundane stuff but still enjoy a good drive, it’s the S3. And that’s why I’ve just ordered one. Young, unencumbered by family, no commuting drive, then the Type R makes a case for itself.
When I had to replace my totaled 2016 VW Golf R (a lady ran a stop sign and t-boned me), I figured I'd buy a 2024 VW Golf R as a replacement. The $15,000 mark-up my local dealers wanted wasn't going to happen, and I was able to buy a "new" 2023 Audi S3 for an $8000 discount. Yes, it would have been nice to have another manual like my 2016 Golf R, but I love the S3. Did I know about the Honda Civic Type R? Yes. Would I consider buying one? Not really. It's styling is too much of a boy-racer for me. But my "inner boy-racer" is sure curious about the upgrades for the 2025 Audi S3.
What is the reputation for reliability and cost of ownership of Audi vs Honda in Europe? In the US, Honda has a reputation for reliability and low cost of ownership and Audi has the opposite reputation which is important for resale value in the US. I am wondering if Audi has a different reputation in Europe.
I bet your opinion would change on a Wet n Windy December day stuck in traffic. As good a drivers car as the Type R is it's not as usable everyday in any weather. As a one car garage the S3 wins hands down IMO...
That is subjective. My daily is an STi RA - way more raw than the civic but I opt for that over our golf or mini almost every time because it does 'daily' but with 320bhp and at 1260kg, it is a hoot on the way. And even with a lightened RCM flywheel it is easy enough in traffic.
I agree mate , owner of s3 aswell and only 1500Kg for a 320hp AWD that’s pretty light for a 4.7 second car , again though for any performance car it’s all about upgrading your rubber and brakes under extreme driving situations
My daily drive for the last year and a half is an FL5 (actually currently my only car), and I don't get comments like that. No issues with it whatsoever, rain or shine. In comfort mode it's comfortable when cruising, fast (yes - even in the pouring wet), reasonably economical. It's very torquey so you can pretty much leave it in one gear unless coming to a stop. Clutch is light and linear, so it's not annoying. The only slight issue is the turning radius which is pretty awful, so parking in a tight spot can be a reenactment of the famous Austin Powers scene.
You can actually take passengers in the soulless german box and not have to apologize ten times per kilometer for braking their backs. Tricky one indeed.
@@pauln0371 If you need for it to be sopping wet to justify a use case for the Audi over the CTR, then I'd suggest it's not the one to go for. But hey ho.
Day-to-day, season-to-season it would be the Audi without doubt. The Honda would be a great second car primarily because the novelty of the manual gearbox, great as it is, would soon wear off in normal driving.
My M3 was stolen so costs meant a step down. I had 3 Golf Rs prior to the M3 but the mk8 interior and infotainment you wouldn't accept on a £20k car let alone £50k. The Civics problem is its great fun only 10% of the time. The rest of the time which is 90% of ownership it falls down. Interior is low rent, infotainment is poor, sound system poor, no sunroof, no leather and on motorways the noise and gearbox drive you mad, it also chews through tyres. I went Audi in the end, the S3 is better for 90% of general ownership, the quality is better and the infotainment and B&O sounds are in a different league. On a track the Honda is better but you don't live on a track, motoring journalists judge cars too much on the Nordschleife because a car is 1/10 quicker. On a wet/blind poorly surfaced typical A/B road the Audi disappears from the Honda. My M3 would decimate the Honda. The Audi in the real world is the better quality ownership proposition for 90% . That's why I got the new S3 to replace the M3
The Civic Type R gets under the skin of admiration and hooks you into an immersive multi level experience of driving enjoyment. The Audi satisfies surface level admiration alone. This eventually becomes boring and forgettable.
I GUARANTEE you, from a guy who owned manual transmission Hondas for 18 yrs, the Mazda3 manual transmission shifts like butter. The same gearbox as the MX-5/Miata. Also the GR Supra is a superior shifter.
I saw £50K hatchbacks and not bothering to see anymore, WHY don’t you car magazine reviews ask the manufacturers how they can warrant these crazy prices,it’s all old technology ICE not new, suspension not mew, no wonder I’ve read over 80% or more of new car sales are to companies.
A few reasons. One is to drive down sales. Sounds mad but when they report that no one is buying cars like these anymore it gives them the perfect excuse to stop making them and push everyone towards the one size fits all SUV which will preferably be an EV. The other reasons are EV R&D costs and they are still filling losses sustained by the pandemic financial black hole. It's horrific to be honest
@@robsmall6466 "One is to drive down sales ... perfect excuse to stop making them" I think it is more so that these high CO2/km cars are (really) bad for their fleet WLTP CO2/km average, and that is why they don't want to sell too many of them. For every one CTR or every one S3 they need to sell *two* zero emission BEVs to get back to the required CO2/km target. Under the similar CAFE system in the USA, Dodge were paying $200m p/a in fines for all the V8 Chargers and Challengers they were selling. Hence now they have discontinued those cars.
@@TassieLorenzo Definitely government legislation at play. But I guarantee they will say that no one wants them anymore and use those low sales numbers as a reason. Plenty of drivers are interested in this car type as they have been on sale for decades. Freedom of the every day man being reduced again
Fantastic review and content, definately earned a new subscriber.....for me its got to be the honda, its a drivers car and puts a huge smile on your face and thats what Hot hatches are all about
Type R great for warm, dry climates where the sticky tyres work and you don’t have to tip-toe around when they are not up to temp… but for the U.K… 80% of the time it is too cold or too wet to explore. Not the car’s fault, but reality. And on a damp, cool day, it will be more fun and less scary to have an AWD S3 or M240i.
How accomplished these cars are "on a flowing B road in any weather" doesn't exist anymore as our roads are badly pot hoted and either clogged with Sunday drvers or with 40/50mph zones... so the only place to really enjoy cars is the track. Hence the Type R is the obvious answer. The old accesssible hot hatch argument is becoming more and more irrelevant as it's for a world that doesn't exist any more.
You won’t be upset with either and most people will make their choice by the brand they prefer so are biased in their views, awd vs front wheel drive if you like driving then the awd is the better choice but then do you want auto or manual as that will influence it but I have driven plenty of RS models on the track and there is nothing wrong with the Auto plus it changes gears quicker. Personally if you’re after a hot hatch then spend a bit more and chose between the RS3 and A45s
Unfortunately the comparison is a bit moot simply because one is a manual. If we’re talking fun (which presumably is what you look for in a performance car), a manual is an automatic +50% in adding fun
I have that Civic Type R and I can tell you that it's fantastic to drive, the gearbox is amazing but the seats are absolutely useless if you are planning on doing a longish journey. The 45 litre fuel tank is another downside, you would need to be a saint to get more than 25mpg.
Honda gearboxes are generally well engineered but you can only tell us what it's like to use. As it's cable operated there's no way it's a engaging as the box in a Mazda MX-5. I'd love to own both but the dull Audi does nothing for me
The MX5 has a good gearbox, but the FL5's shifter is far better. Unless you knew you would never guess in a million years it was cable operated. It feels like a direct link. Very mechanical and precise.
Another great review but not sure about the two cars as a comparison. One an Asbo with attitude and the other an under the radar daily that does most things well in all conditions for the more discerning customer/driver. After spending 2.5 years with my 8Y hatchback, which has been the best daily I've ever had. I'm now a couple of weeks away from the new edition 8Y and very excited to get the extra fun that will bring as seen by most journalists and myself on a test drive. Keep up the great honest reviews and lest see which car holds its price better in the 3-5 years time.
@@CARmagazineTV opinions are all good. I own an FL5 and I just can't fathom feeling that the steering in comfort mode is "heavy"... I enjoyed the comparison . Rock on!
A "love letter to enthusiasts" shouldn't cost nearly as much as it does. Also a good hot hatch can also be a good daily. Civic will break your back every opportunity it gets. Nothing to compare indeed. P.S. i30n is nearly as good and half the price
As a track car on a perfect day, I may choose the Honda, but in the real world, day in and day out, rain or shine, Audi S3 all day. For everyday application, barring 10 days a year to track the car when the weather is perfect, Honda is a hyp and a fool's choice. Let's get real here.
In UK it rains all the time. Try accelerating, turning, or both on wet pavement in a front wheel drive car. If you like a Type R, all the best to you, but don't argue a losing point. Type R may be an ok track car. It may even be one of the best front wheel drive cars out there for the price point, but that's all it is, a "great front wheel drive car" for track under perfect conditions. Otherwise, it sucks. You can get hyped up by the sales pitch all you want, but it doesn't change the facts. Type R is a one-dimensional front wheel drive car (one trick pony).
@@ThrottleBody It really isn't. It doesn't even have a 'hatch' body shape, it's more like a saloon. I'll absolutely agree it is a fast road/track car though. When I drive them, I just do not feel 'special', the interior is a let-down, the ride is great on a snooker table road, but is very annoyingly uncomfortable on a normal road, and in this era, the car is really not fast enough. For that 1% of the time you find yourself on an empty, very smooth, twisting piece of road, yes the Civic is fantastic. How often does that happen ?
The Civic is like a boxer dog jumping around chasing their tail and constantly barking for no good reason. The Audi is more like a labrador, family friendly intelligent happy to play as well as sit and relax. Maybe I'm just of that age now where a labrador is more my type of thing
The problem is that the Type R costs 20k euros more than the S3. Considering that it’s an Audi, I think it’s a no-brainer. Correct me if I’m wrong, but an Audi will likely hold its value better than a Honda. 🤔
From what I've seen last couple of years, Type R was matching the RS3 in terms of price with the surcharges by dealerships. All that for a car that will send you straight to the chiropractor after every drive. Last gen Civic was a more usable car that was half the price and performed just as well.
Oh boy.😮😂😂greedy dealerships are riding wave of Honda F1 racing success with RedBull Racing F1 and soon partners with Aston Martin F1 racing 🏎. However, for front wheel drive, there is nothing else this good and reliable and beat many others. If you don't like it...don't buy it, but also nobody needs to hear or read garbage.
@@TheKingkingg There's nothing else that's good and reliable? And you're telling me about hearing and reading garbage? Goddamn son you need to learn when to shut it.
Honda's a great car, but FWD is no bueno, especially when you start modifying it for big power. Audi isn't meant to be a ricer, but a gentleman's sporty car.... Apples and Oranges and all that. As good as the Honda is (and I really like the interior), I just could never see spending 50k on one.
We can definitely agree to disagree. As I got older, I realized life is much sweeter when you only have to compromise 2% of the time and get exactly what you want the other 98%. Regarding skills, most likely, I started driving long before you were born. You Honda fan boys make me laugh. 😂 You get caught up in the hyp and repeat everything you hear as if it's a fact.
The Audi S3 is $97k in New Zealand while the civic type r is $72k. The Golf R is $80k which is much better. Still, i bet the type r will hold its price better and has something truly special. If i am spending 100k i want something luxurious or special. Audi is meh on both especially when looking at the price.
Like what? How is a 5 year old car better, faster or even anything like comparable. If you want new you gotta pay, or everyone would just wait 10 years before buying anything 😂
Who would get any of these cars over a m340i .. blows my mind these even get sold with that car in this category. But seriously that audi is ugly asl😂😂
@@CARmagazineTV I said m340i not 340i. U can get an older m340i like 2022 or so for the same price as these. It's faster I every perfromance metric and better looking.
Audi's most bland and boring design yet. Bet it will depreciate faster than an FL5. Cars like these are a dime a dozen. I don't think it will be remembered much about anything.
Which car gets your vote?
Neither. 50k for these is CRAZY. You can get a used M5 for that.
Type r all day
@@turtlephilly have you ever ran a m5 💸💸💸? They are 50k for a reason
Money not an issue, civic. Audi"s are as beige as a car can get.
Honda between this two , but other vise Hyundai i30n :)
5 years ago I bought a new M3 Competition for £50k. Car inflation is beyond out of control.
Wait really 😳
Bullshit
Mad these are 50K on what used to cost 30K
Exactly why won't be trading up..
How much do you think pickups and mustangs cost now?
welcome to the world of currency debasement
@@potatochobit that’s not the point. The point is that EVERYTHING has gone up in cost and it’s not justified that we’re paying so much.
Car price inflation is insane. I had an S3 Saloon 10 years ago and it was just a little over £30k…
You would have to own both. Give me a DSG S3 for daily city driving. Especially for when you just can't be arsed and just want to be cossetted and comforted on your journey home from work. And the Civic Type R for dry sunny weekend days with maybe a track visit or two. The perfect car for blasting away the cobwebs and heightening the senses and making you feel truly alive in the moment as you frantically stir those gears and revel in the whole visceral experience of it all.
That Civic Type R is so good and looks a lot of fun. I think I'd have trouble trying to drive it economically. Lol
You would. I average 22 mpg in mine.
Im still around 28.4 in mine. Longer trips and lots of shorter trips. No I don’t live in boost the whole time, but it is a great car to use daily.
The Audi doesn't look like a hatch. It looks like a crossover that's been squashed. And the Civic doesn't look like a hatch either. It's more of a fastback.
FL5 continues to wipe the floor
Shame it looks so tacky, this new civic is done with a bit more class.
No big clumsy plastic fake vents here.
@@garyhall7183 You do realize the new one is the FL5 model right?
The FL5 is the current model, and is more subdued with actual vents. Or perhaps they are referring to the German?
Both great cars, heart vs head choice for me. Leaning towards S3 for day to day life.
Let me put this into perspective:
The greatest, most agile, reliable FWD track car with one of the greatest manual transmissions or a Golf in a suit?
I have of course already expressed my choice but, Civic Type R for sure.
Edit: Just to be clear, I couldn't even force me to watch the Audi part for this video to know more about it. I tried but just went to the Type R to get my excitement up again.
Fair review, if you need to commute, then carry a wife, and/or golf clubs, parents, offspring, bulky purchases, rubbish to tip, or do other mundane stuff but still enjoy a good drive, it’s the S3. And that’s why I’ve just ordered one. Young, unencumbered by family, no commuting drive, then the Type R makes a case for itself.
When I had to replace my totaled 2016 VW Golf R (a lady ran a stop sign and t-boned me), I figured I'd buy a 2024 VW Golf R as a replacement. The $15,000 mark-up my local dealers wanted wasn't going to happen, and I was able to buy a "new" 2023 Audi S3 for an $8000 discount. Yes, it would have been nice to have another manual like my 2016 Golf R, but I love the S3. Did I know about the Honda Civic Type R? Yes. Would I consider buying one? Not really. It's styling is too much of a boy-racer for me. But my "inner boy-racer" is sure curious about the upgrades for the 2025 Audi S3.
Crazy pricing!
Keep voting blue
What is the reputation for reliability and cost of ownership of Audi vs Honda in Europe? In the US, Honda has a reputation for reliability and low cost of ownership and Audi has the opposite reputation which is important for resale value in the US. I am wondering if Audi has a different reputation in Europe.
The honda is well above this Audi and is special.
I bet your opinion would change on a Wet n Windy December day stuck in traffic. As good a drivers car as the Type R is it's not as usable everyday in any weather. As a one car garage the S3 wins hands down IMO...
That is subjective. My daily is an STi RA - way more raw than the civic but I opt for that over our golf or mini almost every time because it does 'daily' but with 320bhp and at 1260kg, it is a hoot on the way. And even with a lightened RCM flywheel it is easy enough in traffic.
Buy a corolla, it'll be even better for you....
You just need to work on your driving. If you live in the UK, the reality is we hardly ever have weather where AWD is actually necessary.
I agree mate , owner of s3 aswell and only 1500Kg for a 320hp AWD that’s pretty light for a 4.7 second car , again though for any performance car it’s all about upgrading your rubber and brakes under extreme driving situations
My daily drive for the last year and a half is an FL5 (actually currently my only car), and I don't get comments like that. No issues with it whatsoever, rain or shine.
In comfort mode it's comfortable when cruising, fast (yes - even in the pouring wet), reasonably economical. It's very torquey so you can pretty much leave it in one gear unless coming to a stop. Clutch is light and linear, so it's not annoying.
The only slight issue is the turning radius which is pretty awful, so parking in a tight spot can be a reenactment of the famous Austin Powers scene.
The best hot hatch out there with character to boot vs a copy and paste soulless German box. Tricky one.
You can actually take passengers in the soulless german box and not have to apologize ten times per kilometer for braking their backs. Tricky one indeed.
Try driving it in the wet with any gusto then come back to me...😂😂😂The S3 would be gone....
Well said...
@@pauln0371 If you need for it to be sopping wet to justify a use case for the Audi over the CTR, then I'd suggest it's not the one to go for. But hey ho.
@@steerj07 says the man with a Seat Ibiza as his profile pic…
Day-to-day, season-to-season it would be the Audi without doubt. The Honda would be a great second car primarily because the novelty of the manual gearbox, great as it is, would soon wear off in normal driving.
My M3 was stolen so costs meant a step down. I had 3 Golf Rs prior to the M3 but the mk8 interior and infotainment you wouldn't accept on a £20k car let alone £50k. The Civics problem is its great fun only 10% of the time. The rest of the time which is 90% of ownership it falls down. Interior is low rent, infotainment is poor, sound system poor, no sunroof, no leather and on motorways the noise and gearbox drive you mad, it also chews through tyres. I went Audi in the end, the S3 is better for 90% of general ownership, the quality is better and the infotainment and B&O sounds are in a different league. On a track the Honda is better but you don't live on a track, motoring journalists judge cars too much on the Nordschleife because a car is 1/10 quicker. On a wet/blind poorly surfaced typical A/B road the Audi disappears from the Honda. My M3 would decimate the Honda. The Audi in the real world is the better quality ownership proposition for 90% . That's why I got the new S3 to replace the M3
CT-R for me every time.
James another great video cant wait for you to test Porsche Taycan Turbo GT :)
He has: ruclips.net/video/okYc93JEevs/видео.htmlsi=uc0aKSz8D-gnZaF5
The Civic Type R gets under the skin of admiration and hooks you into an immersive multi level experience of driving enjoyment. The Audi satisfies surface level admiration alone. This eventually becomes boring and forgettable.
To drive or to be driven.
That is the question.
I GUARANTEE you, from a guy who owned manual transmission Hondas for 18 yrs, the Mazda3 manual transmission shifts like butter. The same gearbox as the MX-5/Miata.
Also the GR Supra is a superior shifter.
I have a FK8 TR I prefer it’s looks, but love the gentle drive of the new TR . I now new to keep the FK8 and buy the new TR some how 🤷🏻♂️
I saw £50K hatchbacks and not bothering to see anymore, WHY don’t you car magazine reviews ask the manufacturers how they can warrant these crazy prices,it’s all old technology ICE not new, suspension not mew, no wonder I’ve read over 80% or more of new car sales are to companies.
A few reasons. One is to drive down sales. Sounds mad but when they report that no one is buying cars like these anymore it gives them the perfect excuse to stop making them and push everyone towards the one size fits all SUV which will preferably be an EV. The other reasons are EV R&D costs and they are still filling losses sustained by the pandemic financial black hole. It's horrific to be honest
@@robsmall6466 "One is to drive down sales ... perfect excuse to stop making them" I think it is more so that these high CO2/km cars are (really) bad for their fleet WLTP CO2/km average, and that is why they don't want to sell too many of them. For every one CTR or every one S3 they need to sell *two* zero emission BEVs to get back to the required CO2/km target.
Under the similar CAFE system in the USA, Dodge were paying $200m p/a in fines for all the V8 Chargers and Challengers they were selling. Hence now they have discontinued those cars.
@@TassieLorenzo Definitely government legislation at play. But I guarantee they will say that no one wants them anymore and use those low sales numbers as a reason. Plenty of drivers are interested in this car type as they have been on sale for decades. Freedom of the every day man being reduced again
Honda Civid Type R and another car.
Fantastic review and content, definately earned a new subscriber.....for me its got to be the honda, its a drivers car and puts a huge smile on your face and thats what Hot hatches are all about
Thank you!
I've been thinking about replacing my m4 comp for one of these.
Type R great for warm, dry climates where the sticky tyres work and you don’t have to tip-toe around when they are not up to temp… but for the U.K… 80% of the time it is too cold or too wet to explore. Not the car’s fault, but reality. And on a damp, cool day, it will be more fun and less scary to have an AWD S3 or M240i.
How accomplished these cars are "on a flowing B road in any weather" doesn't exist anymore as our roads are badly pot hoted and either clogged with Sunday drvers or with 40/50mph zones... so the only place to really enjoy cars is the track. Hence the Type R is the obvious answer. The old accesssible hot hatch argument is becoming more and more irrelevant as it's for a world that doesn't exist any more.
So if "Quattro is the best AWD system", why did they copy Acura's SH-Awd torque vectoring system?
Well...not. They copy the Focus RS Twinster awd. It was the first Hot hatch with that system.
You won’t be upset with either and most people will make their choice by the brand they prefer so are biased in their views, awd vs front wheel drive if you like driving then the awd is the better choice but then do you want auto or manual as that will influence it but I have driven plenty of RS models on the track and there is nothing wrong with the Auto plus it changes gears quicker. Personally if you’re after a hot hatch then spend a bit more and chose between the RS3 and A45s
Unfortunately the comparison is a bit moot simply because one is a manual. If we’re talking fun (which presumably is what you look for in a performance car), a manual is an automatic +50% in adding fun
Subtlety is a virtue!
I have that Civic Type R and I can tell you that it's fantastic to drive, the gearbox is amazing but the seats are absolutely useless if you are planning on doing a longish journey. The 45 litre fuel tank is another downside, you would need to be a saint to get more than 25mpg.
Audi with dsg for me , Have gti mk8 and love the dsg so much😊😊
98k Australian Dollar for a Civic? tell him he's dreamin
I have one, they are $62k here
$73600 in Australia mate.
Drive away no more to pay
In the UK you really are getting ripped off.
In Australia only 38000 English pounds
Sorry 37000 English pounds
@@MichaelBridde ah yeh I see about 73-74k
Either way for a civic? pass
Honda gearboxes are generally well engineered but you can only tell us what it's like to use.
As it's cable operated there's no way it's a engaging as the box in a Mazda MX-5.
I'd love to own both but the dull Audi does nothing for me
The MX5 has a good gearbox, but the FL5's shifter is far better. Unless you knew you would never guess in a million years it was cable operated. It feels like a direct link. Very mechanical and precise.
Another great review but not sure about the two cars as a comparison. One an Asbo with attitude and the other an under the radar daily that does most things well in all conditions for the more discerning customer/driver. After spending 2.5 years with my 8Y hatchback, which has been the best daily I've ever had. I'm now a couple of weeks away from the new edition 8Y and very excited to get the extra fun that will bring as seen by most journalists and myself on a test drive. Keep up the great honest reviews and lest see which car holds its price better in the 3-5 years time.
It's funny people complain about the price rise but hello how much was your house 10 years ago??
Yes but in another 5 years, your house will continue to increase in value whereas these cars will be worth under half…..
@@gregtufnall6276the audi sure. Fk8s are still selling for more then new
Why Test them together one is manual the other auto just completely different cars
Mazda 323 GT-R the king of fun.
lol, nope
I love my Civic type R and my Integra type S which is a better competitor to audi
You MAYBE own toy versions of these
@MyRealName not because you can't, means nobody else does. My wife uses type S and I use type R. Thanks for your input.
The presenter says the CTR steering is too heavy for liking. The steering is adaptive?
In the lightest setting it still has a little too much weight, in James’ opinion.
@@CARmagazineTV Subjective opinion.
Yes, opinions do tend to be subjective 😉
@@CARmagazineTV opinions are all good. I own an FL5 and I just can't fathom feeling that the steering in comfort mode is "heavy"... I enjoyed the comparison . Rock on!
One is a cool. Finely tuned hot hatch. The other is an annoying carbon copy of any estate agent driving up the motorway into his next meeting
Crazy prices and a dull Audi
20 years ago a civic type r was sub £20k-£50k is just insane £10k is Honda taking a tip for themselves
Nope, it’s just the market. When you consider what it can do, the Audi is the overpriced one imo.
@@ThrottleBody Honda has a manual transmission hard to beat really
So you're comparing car prices of today with car prices of 20 years ago? Do you think houses cost the same today as they did 20 years ago, or food?
@@Aki_Lesbrinco houses today are cheap as chips compared to 20 years ago
You could buy them for 15-16k brand new from Honda dealers (EP3)
Was the Audi on standard dampers or adjustable,
Standard.
One will get stolen, the other won’t because its for real drivers 💪
One is a boring Audi and the other is a Japaneses love letter to enthusiasts. Nothing to compere here, totally different cars
A "love letter to enthusiasts" shouldn't cost nearly as much as it does. Also a good hot hatch can also be a good daily. Civic will break your back every opportunity it gets. Nothing to compare indeed.
P.S. i30n is nearly as good and half the price
@MyRealName really? Been dailying the FL5 for 1 year...back still hundreds😂
Only real answer is the m340i.
@@G82Watts 🤣🤣🤣🤢
@@G82Wattstotally different segment of car
I’ll take an Integra Type S. The wing on the CTR, yikes
As a track car on a perfect day, I may choose the Honda, but in the real world, day in and day out, rain or shine, Audi S3 all day. For everyday application, barring 10 days a year to track the car when the weather is perfect, Honda is a hyp and a fool's choice. Let's get real here.
@@TomShirazi plenty happy fools out there, you go buy your S3 and move along
Already done. 😂
@user-se8lu5qy6c thank the pope
Not really. If you’re in the UK AWD really isn’t necessary.
In UK it rains all the time. Try accelerating, turning, or both on wet pavement in a front wheel drive car. If you like a Type R, all the best to you, but don't argue a losing point. Type R may be an ok track car. It may even be one of the best front wheel drive cars out there for the price point, but that's all it is, a "great front wheel drive car" for track under perfect conditions. Otherwise, it sucks. You can get hyped up by the sales pitch all you want, but it doesn't change the facts. Type R is a one-dimensional front wheel drive car (one trick pony).
Being similar price and power doesn’t make them comparable in the market. They were made to do things entirely differently. This is fairly pointless.
Both fantastic, but neither has that extra special 'something' which makes you REALLY want either.
Speak for yourself…civic definitely has it. It’s as close to a gt3 hot hatch as you’re gonna get.
@@DjNikGnashers I just know I don't want to own a BMW
@@ThrottleBody It really isn't.
It doesn't even have a 'hatch' body shape, it's more like a saloon.
I'll absolutely agree it is a fast road/track car though. When I drive them, I just do not feel 'special', the interior is a let-down, the ride is great on a snooker table road, but is very annoyingly uncomfortable on a normal road, and in this era, the car is really not fast enough.
For that 1% of the time you find yourself on an empty, very smooth, twisting piece of road, yes the Civic is fantastic. How often does that happen ?
@@van_der_lindeDA Without giving any objective reason for that, the statement just makes you sound like a pathetic, hating, troll.
@@DjNikGnashers I disagree, as well as the reviewers 😂
How many cars sold Honda with Civic type R and Audi with S3 in Europe? :)
The Civic is like a boxer dog jumping around chasing their tail and constantly barking for no good reason.
The Audi is more like a labrador, family friendly intelligent happy to play as well as sit and relax.
Maybe I'm just of that age now where a labrador is more my type of thing
The problem is that the Type R costs 20k euros more than the S3. Considering that it’s an Audi, I think it’s a no-brainer. Correct me if I’m wrong, but an Audi will likely hold its value better than a Honda. 🤔
It's just a money.
All in all, both of those will hold value in long term. I believe in very long term Honda specially.
Both sound and look good, but too expensive 😇
What's average repair costs of an Audi compared to the Honda, Liability vs Reliability 😊
I have an s3, I understand the criticism, it’s still a cracking car for an everyday family car.
Audi for the logo
I’d take the S3
From what I've seen last couple of years, Type R was matching the RS3 in terms of price with the surcharges by dealerships. All that for a car that will send you straight to the chiropractor after every drive. Last gen Civic was a more usable car that was half the price and performed just as well.
Oh boy.😮😂😂greedy dealerships are riding wave of Honda F1 racing success with RedBull Racing F1 and soon partners with Aston Martin F1 racing 🏎. However, for front wheel drive, there is nothing else this good and reliable and beat many others. If you don't like it...don't buy it, but also nobody needs to hear or read garbage.
@@TheKingkingg There's nothing else that's good and reliable? And you're telling me about hearing and reading garbage? Goddamn son you need to learn when to shut it.
@MyRealName you have been rather annoying....if you don't like it don't buy it, if you have a feminine back then best use public transport
Honda's a great car, but FWD is no bueno, especially when you start modifying it for big power. Audi isn't meant to be a ricer, but a gentleman's sporty car.... Apples and Oranges and all that. As good as the Honda is (and I really like the interior), I just could never see spending 50k on one.
Both nice but am into ma Hondas Can't justify upgrading from my fk8 yet..
We can definitely agree to disagree. As I got older, I realized life is much sweeter when you only have to compromise 2% of the time and get exactly what you want the other 98%. Regarding skills, most likely, I started driving long before you were born. You Honda fan boys make me laugh. 😂 You get caught up in the hyp and repeat everything you hear as if it's a fact.
Can't deal with FWD. Not for a sport saloon. Sorry.
Me either!
@@thomasheuer1916 skill issue. Plus, it’s a hatch.
that s3 looks rad. we never got the hatch in the states. at least you're not comparing the type.r to the elantra n like some idiots.
They are in the same group of performance.
i think the audi is alot more capable for regular people in the streets and very easy to tune to smoke any honda in the stop light
Japnese cars >>>> German cars
Audi is always more fun and refined than Honda civic.
I’m an Audi fan but I would take the Honda
Honda is my choice ❤❤❤❤❤for love to be a driver not idiot with 100 touchscreens
As an Audi owner, i hate that i would choose the Audi.
Audi s3 is faster and has a real interior
The Audi S3 is $97k in New Zealand while the civic type r is $72k. The Golf R is $80k which is much better. Still, i bet the type r will hold its price better and has something truly special. If i am spending 100k i want something luxurious or special. Audi is meh on both especially when looking at the price.
Bloody glad I live in England for once then😂😂😂
@@pauln0371 I think they’re talking in New Zealand Dollars which 100k is about £46k.
$72600 in Australian dollars
Sold my FL5. Awful build quality.
Why on earth would you want a hot hatch with an automatic gear box?? Am I missing something?
Bloody hell, I am not paying 50k for Audi when I can have the best manual from Honda.
The answer is: VW Golf R
@jc74435 😂😅🤣 been trying to find a review stating golf R is better than Type R....still nothing
@@jc74435 😩😩😩🥱🥱
check used values in 3 years..
@@RafeRehman-d6k Honda will hold value better
Yeah honda will still be 40k, Audi prob 25k
Automatics are boring
Honda shoud do auto and 4 wheel drive . Manual won’t beat automatic
@@RaunakSingh-y2p not a chance. Front wheel drive and manual is the honda way. Audi is ridiculously dull and isn’t class leaving in any area.
Yeah, auto in a hot hatch.. is the problem
one is an overpriced kitcar, the other is a value for money 4wd all around car!
@mikealanzo naaaah that copy of a comment didn't work...🤣
@@mikealanzo what an L of a comment 😂 honda is the better car and will last longer too 😂
Civic ride is way to stiff for every day
Honda Civic Type R or Audi S3? I prefer Mercedes-Benz A 35
@@lucassitanggang5154 😂😂 probably the worst one out of the 3
Honda is a significantly better car.
50k for a civic lol no thanx
The only drawback for the Type R is, it is manual .
Imagine driving that in London traffic . Everyday leg day
@@markomarin3414 work on your legs then 😂
Utterly predictable passive anti Audi
Between 300 hp manual vs auto, obviously honda with its manual takes the win in terms of fun!!!
£50k 😂. So so so many better cars albeit used for that sort of money. You’d have to be crazy to buy these new.
its 200k GBP here in Singapore....LOL... sad for us
Like what? How is a 5 year old car better, faster or even anything like comparable.
If you want new you gotta pay, or everyone would just wait 10 years before buying anything 😂
😂 jurnalist.
Honda will run for evertheaudi will not
Both look shit and are to expensive but atleast the type r is a proper drivers car so it gets my vote.
Who would get any of these cars over a m340i .. blows my mind these even get sold with that car in this category. But seriously that audi is ugly asl😂😂
Both are better performance cars than the 340i. As nice as it is!
@@CARmagazineTV and spotted to our left is a bmw fanboy
Yup. M340i better looking, sounding and faster.
@@AnnoyedGlobe-sf9yo did you read the reply from CARmagazine?
@@CARmagazineTV I said m340i not 340i. U can get an older m340i like 2022 or so for the same price as these. It's faster I every perfromance metric and better looking.
Which one will make you feel like a truck driver 90% of the time
Audi’s design language is getting really ugly.
Audi's most bland and boring design yet. Bet it will depreciate faster than an FL5. Cars like these are a dime a dozen. I don't think it will be remembered much about anything.