Let's Talk Submission: A Conversation (Part Two)
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- Опубликовано: 3 ноя 2022
- Does running his bath water, baking him cookies, and rubbing his back equate to submission? The short answer? Nah. In this episode, we’re talking about how the purity of submission is displayed during the inconveniences of marriage and how true submission is a test of a wife’s trust-in God and in her husband.
Previous Episode Reference: When Your Man is Intimidated by Your Gifts (Season 2: Episode 1)
Book Reference: Holier Than Thou by Jackie Hill Perry
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At just 37years old, I suffered a brain aneurysm/ severe stroke in 2020. I was flown to the hospital in a chopper due to my critical state. After 2 weeks in ICU God healed me. I can walk, talk, run. Thank you Jesus. Great is your faithfulness
Hallelujah 🙌🏾🙌🏾 I love healing testimonies ❤
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But can you beat Goku though?
HALLELUJAH!!!
"I don't go through life without considering Preston." I LOVE IT, and I can relate this to my marriage. 💞
Agreed! That was such a good gem! 💎
"Considering" is a sneaky word to use to avoid actual obedience - submission.
Preston is a true man of character. The way he broke down honoring someone’s gift without feeling insignificant yourself. Loved it. Love this conversation.
This is so good! As a woman who's been married for 23 years, I can honestly say it's a dance. Submission won't look the same for every marriage. It's ultimately allowing Holy Spirit to lead both of you individually and collectively to submit to God 1st then each other; understanding that God holds the man more accountable for the marriage.. It can also be a catch 22- the more you support your husband's leading, the more the man will lead and lead confidently! 🙏
@Yanick - such a great point! At the end of the day, we're both called to submit to The Lord... as we do so, harmony and growth will be the result 🙂... also, congrats on 23 years of marriage!
@@MarriageInsideOut Amen and Thank You! 😊
Great Wisdom !!
I love that metaphor. It is absolutely a dance, trying to get into the groove of Oneness… it’s a beautiful practice of our individual relationships with God. It’s like we are practicing on each other our relationships with God.
Also, blessings to your 23 years!
Are you guys willing to make the show 40 or 50mins with the Perry's?!? We want more.
ECHOED!!!!
That'd be nice bit ya know they do have a family 😉
@@kimberlysnell2822 Your right, they do. No disrespect meant, but it would give them a longer time to have a conversation with each other without their kids and that certainly isn't a bad thing.
@@StarlessTerrace didn't come across as disrespectful and understand your thoughts and agree. Amazed at the amount of ministry they steward as a couple and individually with a young family.
Yess !
jackie explaining her submission to the husband was just beautiful
Your spouse is NOT your enemy. Biggest revelation I've received in my marriage with my husband. Thank you for saying that Min. Jackie!
Jackie is such a wise woman and Preston is such a Man of God. I love you both.
As a single woman in her ending 30's Im learning so much from this podcast.
Same sis🙌🏾❣️
Agreed 🙏🏽✨
This was good! I always find it weird, and it always ends up chaotic when non-believers talk about submission. It always ends up about sex and cheating and who’s worthy. It’s so off because in my own experience, the only way I am learning to be submissive is to be submissive to God in my life. Becoming saved is teaching me to trust God in all times. Trust what he’s telling me, trust where’s he is leading me, and honoring him. Submission is for Christ.
Yes, and for your spouse too
Naturally we are a stiff neck people, said The Most High Himself. We definitely lack humility and we also dislike biblical reproof.
Can't lie..... Jackie you got a good one for real!!
Amen!
Yes she does ❤️
He does too!
@@abaxter0326 @Ashley Baxter absolutely, but I'm coming from a single black woman's perspective though, lol. And mentioning one doesn't diminish the other right?
@@philiciabernard all she said was he does too😭
I’m loving this conversation. Jackie is really giving great perspective on how to submit. I love that instead of pressuring Preston, she took it to God and let God work on his heart to move them to Atlanta. This is an example of God being in the root and center of your marriage.
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“Paul wasn’t talking about cookies when he wrote Ephesians 5” 🤣
"We are Georgia Peaches now "🤣 "your bad english"🤣
yall look good cousins. 4 Kids where?🥰
But honestly, im so thankful for yall. (Writes notes in single📝)
Growing up Haitian background its typical we have to do all these things so for the man, cook,clean ,massage , keep the kids, while the men basically do nothing. This is a marriage both parties have to enjoy it. Not to say I wouldnt be willing to do these things, but again thats not submission necessarily.
Thank you for the clarification both episodes 👏🏾👏🏾
The moving to Atlanta story was a great illustration to tie this conversation together. Actually more illustrations are helpful with topics where the doctrine has been addressed in the church a great deal.
@Sh88 - Agreed! Such a great example of allowing The Lord to speak to your spouse's heart.
I wonder if this example works in the other way. I think submission has to be mutual between spouse just love should be mutual.
I’ve binged watched this podcast for three days. Jackie is the dominate one. From my perspective. For example, “okay now go ahead”, that’s Jackie leading Preston. It often occurs.
Whew! Wounded ! I was baking cookies and rubbing backs but I was acting perfect by agreeing to everything, etc. Whole time it’s daddy/abandonment issues lol
I love the idea of working towards “oneness”! This is about respect and honour, not about being right or in control. Love y’all 🫶🏽
“We have disordered understandings of what submission and headship is. So in the same way that a man thinks headship is being this assertive aggressive bully of his wife and that is not headship in the same way a women being a doormat and doing every single thing for her man is also not submissive”
Oof yes. These two episodes really gave me a better understanding of what headship and being submissive looks like in a marriage 👏
Y’all done came on here and leveled the whole social media submission conversation in 30 mins! That’s a mic drop, nothing left to be said.
I love that The Perry’s talk about what the church tends to ignore. Marriages and relationships are in a constant tug of war because of our carnal man. Keep on keeping on. God is using you mightily. I pray that God continues to use you for His glory.
This definitely needs a book we need more of this 🙌🏽🙏🏼
I also think when a woman doesn’t trust her husband to lead or be the head, she tend to take control. I think it’s because if she doesn’t feel his way is right or if she doesn’t feel he’s equipped to make decisions in a particular area, her natural instinct is to take control of the situation or decision. But I agree with Jackee, ego is a huge part of it.
It’s incredibly hard to trust when they are all over the place still searching for what they believe or who they believe in rather. They are not being led by the spirit it is not easy to trust especially when they have shown that they only have their own best interest at heart
Such a great convo... totally see why it had to be broken into two parts! One thing we've learned is to view submission through the lens/context of "protection" instead of "control"... for example, if I take shelter under a roof, I've (in a sense) "submitted" myself to that shelter (... I allow it to "keep" and "protect" me from rain or other possible danger)... the same can be said of our relationship with Christ and in marriage... by submitting ourselves to The Lord (putting ourselves "under" His covering), we can experience the benefits of his safety, guidance, and protection... I think if we can view submission through this lens, the better we can approach and begin to appreciate it as a godly construct in marriage. 🙂
As always, thanks for another great episode!
Yes exactly ❤❤❤
Jackie out here talking bout Ezer like it’s not that big 💀 Y’all play too much but for real thank you for these conversations. My wife and I have an unorthodox dynamic where she’s the bread winner and to hear this conversation about the multi-faceted aspects of submission and headship is so needed. Thank you for dispelling the negative connotations of those words and expounding upon the biblical truths beneath them. Shalom 🕊️
I've learned that submission is coming under covering to support the mission and purpose of the marriage and other relationships
I want to say thank you to this Union for first moving in this direction as following the Lord and being followers of the Lord, my husband and I have listened to this podcast together and it is opening doors and ushering us into shining a light on areas in our marriage that we have not talked about together so thank you from the Russell.
Most of it is fear. She doesnt want to crash into a wall with his navigation skills
This was so good! My husband and I are going through this right now even the headship part of it and It's not going good. I will just continue to work on me and keep praying
May God bless you guys, His plans are good His paths are that of light
Oh my goodness! I just found y’all today❤ can I say from a bred & born “Ga. Peach” lol who is really “not of this this world” Thank you for your depth of study & practical spiritual discipline applied and displayed for all to see 😂 I have enjoyed spending the afternoon with you … Standing in Yeshua with you! 🎉 ps..I’ve lived in California for the past 23 years honoring my husband.. it ain’t been easy but oh the Glory & Peace that comes with that honoring submission ❤🙌
The verse before speaks of us submitting to one another as brothers and sisters in christ … I love how we get to see you both submitting to each other .
Thank you so much guys. U guys are such an inspiration for single women who are yet to submit to their husbands visa verser. Coming from an African country this needs to seen by most African men. May God bless your family.
As a person that is not currently married (I am married to Jesus), this conversation as well as the one from last week were very enlightening. My takeaway on a personal level, was how NOT to look st the gifting of others as a standard vs really appreciating their gifts as tools to glorify God! God is really working with me in the area of comparison. I truly thank you both for your openness and for being Spirit led. May God continue to bless and guide you! ❤❤❤
I admire the quality of your podcast, you just not saying things, recklessly. These are well thought well explained, ideas and opinions with so much depth. I am enjoying listening to your podcast and I am learning too. So thank you❤️
I just recently came across this channel, and I thought I wasn't a podcast person😅 Everything is just so good, authentic and rooted in the Truth❤
She hears from God. I know you already know that. I have learend to be patient for other people's process. It's not about me. I get that Jackie, that made sense. These conversations are good and are challenging me. I will be praying into some things. My mom always told me God will tell you both the same thing, she's been following the Lord for more than 40 years. She was right. I like the submitting unto the Lord point.
As an English teacher, the ending speaks to me so much 😂
Wow. "Submitting is unto the Lord and Trusting He can reach Him"
Agreed. So good!
I struggled with the idea of submission too, especially the obey, but the revelation I got is if I believe God is good enough then his word is good even if I don't like the word or context. If I don't mind obey when it applies to obeying the Lord, I shouldn't mind it when it comes to obeying my husband, because submission to your husband is 'as unto the Lord '. As human I don't always obey God due to my sinful nature but I don't take offence either to the idea of obeying Him, likewise I shouldn't see the word obedience negative when it comes to my husband. It makes alot of sense Jackie. Submission is your disposition
Coming from a single woman, this is a beautiful, honest , and informative conversation
This really gave me, I would say, a more accurate view on headship and submission. I'm currently preparing myself for marriage, and this has brought so much light and wisdom. Thank you so much Jackie and Preston
My husband and I just got out of a situation where I was convinced a certain move for our family was right and he wasn’t completely convinced but participated anyways. No matter how much information and facts I shared he was like whatever. But I’m impatient so I was like cool, God will convince you later, time is of the essence.
Well it didn’t work out and I was heartbroken and something flip in my husband and in us. (Lots of prayer and repenting while everything is developing)
Thanks for the reminder of unity. I can still be right but if it’s without him it’s wrong. God bless you guys and thank you for sharing your heart in Christ.❤
Oneness and unity, the definition implies that two parties have something different to bring to the table. Wonderful 🙌🏽
How Lagos, Nigeria made it here 😅😂😂
God abegg.
This entire topic is such a needed conversation in the body of Christ. Thank you so much Fam 💛
19:15 made me shout! SUCH A UNIQUE QUESTION THAT ONLY CERTAIN PEOPLE WOULD EVEN CARE TO KNOW OR UNDERSTAND. Thank you Jackie!
I enjoy you two laughing with each other. Thanks foe sharing your wisdom and experiences
"I don't go through life without considering Preston." Reminds me of the scripture Proverbs 3:6; "in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight."
Love it!
This is so beautiful. I’m so glad I got to witness an example of healthy love in this podcast.
Amen 🙏🏽❤
😂😂 That last part.
So good, thanks power cups!!! 🔥👏🏽🙌🏽
I think that so many woman don't like the word "obey" because of the connotation of control and "blind obedience". that is attached to it. But I think that's part of the relearning we have to do as humans. We're not blindly obeying our spouses. We're helping them from a place of understanding why they may need something. It's not enslavement. It's serving one another out of love. AND, the verse right before telling wives to submit, it says for spouses to submit one to another. But that's conveniently separated in modern text and left out of most sermons.
Man glory to God I needed this
“You’re wounded, sis” 😆🙌🏽
As a single woman I am constantly seeking wisdom on doing relationships a more healthy and Godly way because I didn’t grow up with healthy representation. Thank you! All of this! Especially, about the video that blew the Twitter world up. I listened to her and it didn’t sit well with me lol so Jackie gave the correct words on what I understood her behavior to be and I could be wrong but the idea of submission being reduced to acts of service in his love language just didn’t mesh with my spirit lol. Good point on being careful of the motive of your submission is sooooo good! Am I playing out your idea of submission because of my daddy issues or am I honoring my commitment to God by submitting to you not just through acts of service but considering your request of me…so much more than rubbing a back and cleaning clothes. I loveedddd this!
I appreciate you two so much!!!
I love your message and your marriage coloured by humor and truth. You are doing God's work! Don't stop! Waithira from Nairobi
Jesus submitted to the Father's will yet He's our headship we can definitely learn so much from that.
Also, obedience is not always the same as submission. Someone can be obedient (aka compliant) without actually submissive. So in the “let’s move to Costa Rica” example the woman is not necessarily submissive just because she goes with it if the motive of her obedience is not right or healthy.
Y’all did y’all’s big one on this conversation! So many gems 👏🏾
So so good! Thank you Jackie for helping me unravel the understanding of submission more! God bless you both ❤
soooo good one!!!! from a single listener..... very edifying ! be blessed the Perrys!
My heart and soul are overwhelmed. 😁 This conversation is so good 🙏🏾😍
This was beautiful and much needed. Thank you.
I jus wanna say thank you. Y,all done triggered something in my spirit. Keep up the great work!
Literally just finished part 1 and refreshed my page in hopes of part 2 being published and it was✨ Love yall godly wisdom🫶🏾
Praise the Lord for your ministry and conversations on this.... Beautiful and really needed!!!
that part about submission and love often being conflated is so insightful! really loved these two conversations!
that hit my soul so hard… i think I replayed it to try and soften the blow but it just sat in deeper and deeper! My God correct me and Holy Spirit change me! SMH i feel like I need to apologize to my husband after that lol thanks 4:36
Yo! The way Jackie gets to the heart of things is Holy Ghost powerful
This was so good 🔥 Thank you Jackie/Preston🙏🏻❤️
Perry’s-Bring back then JESUS+THERAPY hoodie!! So random… but we need it.
Sold out 😩😩😩
I love love this session…thank you for this wonderful insight. God bless you both
“Thank you for being a submissive wife and not an English teacher” eye roll nd runs off. I appreciate the youtube videos for this type of visuals. Lol
Thank you again for another amazing conversation and vulnerability session.
Also, I’m glad y’all briefly touched on that viral video on “submission” and how that’s more servant love with a bit of trauma response than actual submission. I ain’t heard enough of that kinda response and I was uneasy lol
Heeyyy Jackie!! I just came from the Glory event in Jacksonville a couple of weeks ago and it was so amazing! I work for a large, wonderful, family owned company, where we have devotion every Monday and I believe that you should deliver a message to our staff. That's all that I could think about when I left. I submitted your information just in case anyone reaches out and after your research is completed as well! Been a follower of yours and Preston's since Poets in Autumn!! Thank you both for serving like you do!
I really enjoy listening to both of you! Keep it coming and I love both of you! Blessings to both of you always. 🤗
Loved when Jackie said called to be a helper as God helps us. Thanks for sharing that piece of information. God bless your family
This was sooooo good. Thank you! I, a married woman of 20+ years, needed this. Also enjoyed the humor.
So good! Yes, it is easier to submit to a man of character, who actively pursues God. I'm still praying and learning --and dying to my flesh -- after a whole lot of marriage years.
I’m so glad I came about you all channel. These last couple of days, I have just about watched every video. I appreciate you two for your vulnerability. I am thankful that God has use you two. I am gaining so much knowledge. ❤
Am learning. Love this conversation ❤️
Submission is an act of faith
This blessed me so much. God bless you both🙏🙏
Such good discussion and points in both episodes. Thank you for sharing your Georgia journey. Reminded me of a talk you did once with Nancy Lee Demoss where you stated that if he is a child of God then Holy Spirit dwells within and you can trust Him to do the heart work needed. Heart work is for Him to do, not us.
Love your wisdom!
this is so good....appreciate ya'll❤️
Today is the first time am watching this program, less than 5 minutes, I stopped the video subscribe and shared it with more than 40 people in my contacts, this is good .
I needed this clarity thank you
Part 1 was great .. Funny ... Awesome. Lets go Part 2
The way this hit! Omgggg! The "hallelujah" I yelled throughout this... Ooouuuu!!
Very cool to see how crutial it is that men have a relationship with God for real. God bless 🙌🙏
I love God's truth and how He unfolds it in so many ways. Thank y'all for allowing Him to use you in true humility. What you've shared is so helpful to my single life, Love your sister in Christ, Geraldine
Just powerful......It's heart thing for both submission and headship...
This is very beautiful 😭🙏🏾 it is very good
I agree Jackie . People make submission about just doing any and everything he ask u to do without question. If you ask a question you not submissive your combative. Oh if I have a question about something I can’t ask because why, no that’s control and imma pass .. look I’m being triggered
Phenomenal 🙌🏾🙏🏽👏🏾👏🏾 teaching and transparency was awesome 👏🏾 Thank you Both. Great subject/topic.
Jackie’s points about unity & coddling were S O very good!!!!! 🧡👌
And Preston’s one about culture influencing our perspective of gifts 👌🔥
This is so good, this is a lesson and like Gold to me. As a woman desiring kingdom marriage thank you for this ❤
This was so so so good…and funny! Love this insight
Loved this!!!! You guys are setting an amazing example for what a Christ centered marriage should look like!