Tesla Model 3 V3 Supercharger Test: How Long Does It Take To Charge?
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- I took my 2021 Tesla Model 3 (dual-motor, long-range) to a V3 Tesla Supercharger and recorded the charging session from 0% to 100% state of charge. I then compare the results to the V3 Supercharging session I did last year with my 2019 Tesla Model 3.
0:00 Intro
2:25 Supercharging recording begins
2:48 Reached 32% SOC in 10 minutes; 100 miles of range added
6:00 65% SOC and 200 miles of range was added
6:20 80% SOC in 31 minutes
7:25 100% charged in 63 minutes and begin to analyze results
9:12 Comparing the results to my 2019 Model 3 V3 Supercharging results
13:00 Comparing the charging curve to the Audi e-tron
14:06 Wrapup
Check out my 2019 Tesla Model 3 V3 supercharging video: • Tesla V3 Supercharger ... 
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Hands down the best electric charging channel on RUclips. Low and behold
Thank you!
agreed
Amen!
Tom is a pro!
I don’t have an EV yet, but it got to be a Tesla.
It looks like 10 -50 is the best for travel.
With kids, you can’t make a pitstop faster than that.
You said it, Robert! Everybody should get out and stretch once in a while and a gas station is a nasty place to do that in, even highway rest stops are usually cleaner than gas stations. When I was younger, my goal was to drive with as few to no stops at all. These days I am happy to stop every 100 miles or so, even if it is just for a bathroom break. I'm sure that your kids would report you to the authorities if you didn't give them breaks to film some TikToks!
10? Longer trips you will be stuck at charging station for 45 min. Not ideal for such expensive car.
Thanks Tom, interesting charging curves! 0 - 80% in 1/2 hour, and 20 - 80% in 26 minutes (32 - 6); that’s what I’ll keep for reference.
When speaking to non-EV owners, it's best to refer to miles instead of percentage. Some legacy EVs had only 60-80 mil range so 80% in 30 mins means only 48 miles. But 30 mins to achieve 300 mi in a Tesla m3 is substantial !
Great explanation of the charging curve which highlights that peak rate is not the most important number! Thanks, Tom.
This is how you report the data while just sticking to the facts. Great analysis.
Tom, this is interesting, but Miles per Time is what really matters, functionally. Your time to 100 and time to 200 miles is great. Can you add miles per minute graphs? Even though your 2021 is charging at a lower rate, it's probably similar or better in terms of miles recovered over 30 minutes, which is what really matters on road trips. Thanks!
Tom "Terrific" gives us another outstanding analysis on charge time. He is spot-on for what people look for when considering an EV: relationship between range and charge time. I appreciated the graph shown, but would like another one showing charge time and miles of range. We have some of the data points as 100 mi at 10 mins, 200 mi at 23 mins, and 300 mi at 30 mins. My goal is to perform the exact same test on a 2021 ms LR to learn if Tesla has made any improvement in charge time.
Charge time is only important when you are in a hurry, such as a road trip. After nearly 4 years of charging, 90% of mine has been overnight at home not caring how long it took. Average charge time was about an hour.
Thermal throttling is the biggest reduction I have logged in the Model 3 Supercharging. If I come in with a 32°c battery vs 45°c, the 250kw will drop off much sooner at 45°c. Usually when bat temps hit 54°c it throttles back.
Loved the dynamic chart annotations. Nice work!
Great job Tom. We are lucky to have people like you, willing to share your knowledge and experience with us.
Thank you!
Wow. What an excellent analysis video. Keep it up Sir!!
100 miles (160 km) in 10 minutes...i can only dream of that with my e-Golf
0-80% in half an hour is awesome! If not sharing, what's the time difference on V2? Considering V2 outnumbers V3 by quite a bit, could be interesting for a comparison?
I haven't timed that yet, but plan to.
Tom, awesome content 👍 man your graph is so nice too .. I think 30min is about right on my 2018 model 3 performance I normally get 30-32min from 2-3% SOC, with that said I don’t get the range you do base on your range test as I drive a bit harder and always in the 75-85mph speeds even on road trips lol still good to see close consistent charging speeds over the model years ..
As for the eTron range I have to disagree and I hope one day you will do the test to see what I am about to say,; Yes model 3 and Y has better range and more efficient than the eTron however that is to be expected because The eTron is a totally different class of EV not to mention much heavier, So comparing with the model 3 or Y is kind of pointless ..
We owned the model X P90D and our real world range was almost identical to our eTron and with the overall faster charging speed of our eTron vs our previous model X we saved close to an hour going on the same road trips from NY to SC over 750miles in very similar conditions vs with our previous model X .. anyways from our experience our eTron is a fester road tripper than our previous model X ..
remember efficiency is mainly for lower operational costs but at the end of the day how quickly you can complete a long trip with similar vehicle type is much more important.
Again Tom I truly trust all of your tests 👍 and hope one day you can put together a head to head eTron vs Model X test together.. great content as aways Tom!
Great explanations ... very useful information. Cheers man new sub
Another good mileage and recharge test, Tom. 👍🏼
Tom
1hr and 3 mins. is pretty good as you said Sir, I agree! thanks for the video
Tom. Once again, a phenomenal analysis…I’d be interested to see curves that overlay the number of miles recouped v time for the various EVs….I’ll poke around to see if you guys have anything like that. I sold my Model 3 and am looking for a replacement. Etron is on the list, but, as you indicate, even though it replenishes miles very fast, it burns them faster than the Tesla…so, trying to figure out, e.g., over a 600 mile trip, what the delta would be between the two…great stuff!
You bring up a lot of good points, thanks for sharing them
Sorry comments were meant for Tom
Great content, thanks!
Love your reviews, easy to follow. Be great to see some metric (Km) opposed to hours worked into the content
Nice video!
Very interesting. Thank you.
I really enjoy your thorough speed and charging tests. Great info! Any chance that you can do the Model Y? I've looked all over and can't find anything that comes even close to your coverage. Seems like the Y coverage would complement your Mach e and ID.4 tests. Thanks for a great channel.
I did a Model Y 70-mph range test last year, the video is up on the channel. I do plan on doing another one with a 2021 Model y soon, though.
Thanks for a great video update! Yer got to love the superchargers and Tesla efficiency is great and the reliability and amount of stalls make the superchargers great! You don’t need to do any research before and during the trip like with most evs ! We did 700 miles day trip bit back in winter and hills and took about 15 hours or less if had be better weather with no research and at short notice! And was super easy and no hassle unlike most evs ! 7000 miles in under 4 months just for pleasure and 2500 miles in first month in 3 sr+ so small battery and slower charging speed but averaged 16 mins at superchargers over 7000 miles! About £180 to drive 7000 miles! So that’s great in our book !
excellent video! thanks
Nice job explaining supercharging parameters. Unfortunately we still have a long way to go to match the convenience of refilling a gasoline car to get 400 miles of real world range.
Well done!!
Very good job
You are a great man.
Great video Tom! One thing I noticed is that it's 87F in this video (and I probably missed it in the other) but I didn't see what the temp was when you tested the 2019 Model 3. Was it similar or colder out?
If it was cooler and the car preconditioned the battery both times that might be the reason for an earlier drop off due to thermals of the pack, charger, etc. Admittedly I have heard the new ones do have a different charging curve and seems likely the newer tech could get around some of those challenges. This video highlights exactly what I am most excited by Tesla's 4680 design. It probably won't charger higher than 250kW, but should be able to hold at a higher rate for a longer time due to much better thermal performance at the cell level along with less resistance and more efficient cooling from the bottom of the cells.
I did that test last August so it was in the middle of the summer and had to be pretty hot.
One wonders why they're reducing the peak 250kW charge time. As they increase the amount of silicon in their cells, they should be able to hold the peak rates longer... but if they're reducing the amount of cobalt at the same time, perhaps that explains it. They may also be trying to be careful with a chemistry tweek and will update the charge curve at a later date when real world usage bares out what the lab boys say.
Thank you!
Impressive! Great data, thanks! Good tips to pre-condition.
Of course, nobody in real life typically charges from 0-100%, takes too long (especially above 80%) and unnecessary.
Arrive at charger around 10-20%, change for 10-20minutes to get back 100-200miles of range, enough to reach the next SuperCharger.
Only charge longer if the next leg is longer than typical... it's different behavior than gas station "fill-ups".
I wonder if your 250kw curve was shorter due to the high 90F ambient temperature... bet the A/C was running pretty hard, to cool the battery. Try again w/ same temps as the old car?
Tom, great data. What was the temperature outside when you charged the 2019? I wonder if it was cooler which then allowed the battery to accept 250kW a little longer. This shows those what others have found that if you compare this to a V2 charger you only save a few minutes. Do you have data at a 150kW to compare against? The main benefit of V3 is allowing every stall to operate at the max rate that the car can accept.
Ideally you’d be using the taper charge cycle for the full duration of your road trip.
Charging battery until the battery taper starts and unplug and go to the next charger and repeat it.
Look at the out of spec motoring for the premise of taper charge cycle.
Out of spec motoring on RUclips.
The idle rate is “activated” when the station is 50% filled up and then you will get a 5 minute grace period before you start getting an idle charge for not moving your vehicle.
Also notice average charge price works out to about $0.0735 per mile or $2.20 per 30 miles which is about the average range most cars give on one gallon of gas. So we see charging a Tesla from superchargers isn't hugely less expensive to most normal ICE cars from most gas stations. In other words charging from superchargers during long road trips costs about the same as refilling a gas car assuming you don't have free credits, maybe a little cheaper but not a lot. Of course most people charge at home for 90%+ of their EV ownership but on a road trip it's about a break even except the charging still takes longer but not necessarily a deal-breaker since you most likely need a 30 minute break every few hours of driving.
I’ve got 67,000mi on my model 3 now, over 200 supercharger sessions, and have noticed supercharger fees have risen dramatically. The screen used to show $6-$9 now I’m well into $12-$16.
thank you !
Wow Tom my 2012 leaf takes an hour to get 7 kWh
what would be great to see will be the comparative of a used 2019 vs a brand new 2021 model 3. and compair the difference from 2019 New to Used and then to the 2021.
Really nice to see the graph with the two charging curves ! Why do you think the newer Model 3 has a worse charging curve ? Different batteries ?
Probably 90F temps reduced power... battery got hot.
@@cgamiga Yeah possible. I think I also heard, Tesla sometimes limits charging speed after introducing newer chemistries, and unlocks it down the road. Kind of like how they did when they unveiled V3 supercharging
@@cgamiga It's possible the charging handle got hot. Tesla drivers have been known to wrap a cold wet rag on the charging connector to stop the charger from reducing the charge power.
Tom, I realize I m late to this party but do you happen to know what the air temperature was on both days? The time to hit peak and how fast is dropped down on the curve may have had something to do with the environment it was in as well. It's totally valid info and thanks a ton but it may further define it...sorry if I missed that you said the temps, etc.
Thank you, Tom..
Is that the one at a Wawa on Morris Ave?
Yup!
the video is the best among all sources, but there is one thing i am not able to understand.
-> In the map it was showing 0.27/kwhr,
-> When you charged for 24 kwhr the cost was 7.35,
-> This is higher that 0.27*24=6.48,
-> Is there some extra cost involved??
What is the EPA range on your 2021 vs 2019? Does the 2021 have a bigger battery pack?
Is the 14/50 plug with a 50 amp breaker the way to home charge.
Thanks
Hypothetically in the future when batteries can take the 250kw for the entire charge how long will that take 0-100%?
Curious on why Tesla changed that charging curve? Was it to save money in terms of their costs for supercharging? I assume they get charged more for the higher power delivery output vs the same total power at lower levels? Or was it because they learned something about the battery that made them cut back on that max power duration?
Thanks for the video, very informative! How long does a Model 3 hold a charge if the vehicle isn't used for a week? About 50% remaining?
50%? No way. In a week you might lose about 5% state of charge. Unless you have sentry mode on and there is a lot of action that its recording, then the loss will be more.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks for the info! 😊
Unless I’m doing a long road trip in my Model 3 LR (I’m still waiting for delivery), I plan to max my battery at 80%. That means my fast charger rate on a v3 (250 kWh) will be ~30 minutes maximum. A v2 (150 kWh) should only take about 2 minutes more from what I’ve read. Thirty minutes for ~282 miles of rage is acceptable. Especially, since I’ll need some bathroom breaks.
250kW going into the car is kinda crazy when you think about it. Wouldn't that be the equivalent of hooking up six 200A - 240v home panels directly into the car? ;o
When you put it that way, that’s quite amazing.
Where did you get your tesla wrapped? I’m accepting delivery of a model 3 in a few days and I LOVE the color of your car
It's 3M satin gray. Any wrap shop should be able to get it.
Hey Tom, I see a Homelink icon on your Tesla screen, I thought Tesla stopped offering the Homelink function on the Model 3. Did they reinstate this feature for 2021?
They never stopped offering it, they just stopped giving it to you for free. You now have to pay $300 and get it activated by Tesla service after you take delivery, which stinks. I don't mind paying, but let us have it as a factory option. If you want it, you need to make an appointment with Tesla Service once you get the car. Not very customer friendly,. IMO
If you make a grapg with range on the y-axis and time on the x-axis, that might be more relevant than just max power
Would be great to repeat the test with the 2022.40.1 update which claims to improve charging
Thx for posting the 1st Tesla charging test, that was worth my time to watch.... since it was so objective and full of relevant facts....
FIWW it would be nice to have a site that overlays the charging curves for different EVs to see how they compare in the real world (at a set temp) and also show how much juice is needed to preheat the battery pack vs the longer time to charge a colder battery packs at different temps... for us data geeks :)
I agree about the chart, but it's actually a LOT of work. We plot the data for every % on the graph so there are 100 entries to plot the graph out. But we're working on it.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I appreciate all the time you spend presenting the data in a practical format....
But it illustrates how much more complex charging is than just filling up a gas tank for the average driver to comprehend (due to all the variables that affect the charging rate SOC, Temp, BMS, etc) and for them to deal with on longer trips.... Which is minor sticking point to get everyone to accept EVs as alternative to ICEVs...
That why long term Fuel Cell Electric (ie Hybrid) Vehicles, still seems to have a niche role to play, using various fuels... and/or battery swapping... Just a thought....
Is it possible the volume of other cars arriving or leaving the charge station might affect the voltage? 250kwh or 480v is the best-case scenario?
That's a very good question. The older superchargers did power share so two units would share one power supply and if someone plugged in next to you you would get less power. However these new V3 stations are completely independent of each other and every vehicle can get full power regardless of who else is charging.
Maybe the temperature of the handles played a role in the discrepancies?
You also have to understand if the thermal fatigue is worth the charge rate. Etron at 150 is not an impressive constant.
23 minutes for 200 highway miles is excellent. How long did it take to add 200 highway miles to your old Model 3?
Where is the time graph? y axis with charge%, x with time would be a great comparison.
miles added in 30 min is probably a good metric to base your charging/road tripping ranking on.
First comment. That’s right… V3 SuperComment
Damn it! You beat me to it.
flmao
Do you think any other factors contributed to this? the charging station supply? The other vehicles charging?
V3 superchargers don't share power as the older versions do. Each station is engineered to deliver full power no matter how many other cars are onsite.
Tom, why didn’t it stay at 250kw until 80% SOC?
I wonder how the curve would look like if charging started at 20%, maybe other factors are affecting the charge rate as battery temp.
I came here to post the same thing - I wonder if something is overheating causing the quicker ramp down and then holding steady, so I was also wondering what the curve would look like if charging started at 20% or so.
Fellow New Jerseyian here. If you have been driving for some time, let’s say 100 miles or so, isn’t the battery already warm? What does preconditioning do that driving does not?
Normal driving doesn't heat the battery up enough for peak supercharging rates unless it's already hot outside - like over 75 degrees. But you can heat it up if you're driving hard - full-throttle acceleration, heavy regen stops, etc.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney when charging at home, is there any way to precondition the battery?
Looks like your Audi was already at a 10-15% charge when you started. This would change the initial ramp up curve.
just used a V3 with our MY SR. for us it makes no difference but still great to see.
SR/SR+ trims won't get the full 250KW power, but, unlike V2 stations, you won't get split-in-half of 150KW power parked next to another car.. so V3 is still helpful, especially at crowded locations.
Good afternoon for polestar 2 what is your recommendation for home charge I will use the car for community 67 miles one way
Hope you can help me to take the right direction Tk very much
Hi Raul. What is the standard charging equipment that came with the car?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
No sure because my car delivery is for December 10
Can you do this same test but on a V2? I feel like most stops are still very much V2, and wonder if V3 is really any much faster, due to different charging curve.
Yes I may do that.
One of the biggest differences with a V3 charger is that when someone pulls up next to you, your charging speed stays the same instead of getting reduced. This might be another factor making V3 appear much quicker overall.
Should I use premium or regular on my new Model 3? I don’t want to damage my v6 engine with cheap gas.
That depends on how fast you want to drive.
What's it matter if the etron can charger at a higher rate, you need to look more at the miles replenished over time, 50% and 80%.
Yes, the efficiency is also very important.
Tom have you done the charging curve for the Mach E?
Yes. It's in my post with the video on InsideEVs: insideevs.com/news/503880/mustang-mach-e-dc-fast-charge-test/
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks Tom!
So In 32.40 min let's say 33 min so in 33 approx min!! U can drive 310 miles from. 0 to. 80 in 32.40 min!! U can get an additional 60 kW so approx 310 miles or 498.89664 kilometres!! Let's say 33 min u can add 310 miles or approx 500 khm,!!
Question: Have you tested the speed if you plug in at 20%? It seems odd to assume that the graph would be identical. Perhaps it always tries to stay at a high charging rate and then drops the rate in response to battery temperature or some other metric/data the vehicle monitors. Do we know for certain that a vehicle’s charging graph is what it is regardless of the conditions when you plug it in (% charge, ambient temperature, etc.)? It sounds like you’re saying you DO know that to be a fact, but I think a series of tests to validate that is in order.
I've never seen 250 kW when plugging in at over 20% SOC, but I could do more testing and recordings.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney My experiences with V3 when arriving at 20% would seem to agree with Tom. I did mange 235kW briefly at this spot in my video:
ruclips.net/video/kcKNl_puMkg/видео.htmlm22s
but never again since. I actually turned off my HVAC during testing, but it go so hot in my car even with the windows open that my GoPro Hero8 abruptly shutdown due to overheating, 4K taxes it too hard, and that was super frustrating, and a do-over isn't exactly easy with such tests.
TeslaFi tells me I've done 86 Supercharges at 51 Locations these past 41,000 miles on my 2018 Tesla Model 3 VIN 119,000, as I do a lot of long roadtips.
Agreed, for real-world roadtrip testing, starting at 10% & 20% is the most likely real-world example folks will use.
I really like Tom's focus on miles added, and noting the charge curves vs KW or %, as miles added is also the most important practical point for roadtrippers:
How long to charge, to make the next fast charger? With a safe enough buffer in case of problems?
@@TinkerTry I feel your pain. I've had to re-do 3-4 of these because of an issue during the recording. So frustrating. I actually recently did a 2021 Model Y Supercharging recording, but realized after recording that there was a problem with the camera.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Your fun response motivated me to sharing a little more backstory. I carefully planned my V2 20% to 80% Supercharging session seen in this footage, and I vaguely recall that 2 spots of 8 were taken. You know where this story is going. Another car backs up right next to me, sharing the A/B stall I was on. I pocketed my wallet and hopped out, prepared, just in case. I then politely asked if it would be at all possible for him to park in another spot, since I was recording a RUclips video, and it would charge slower if he parked next to me. He looked rather surprised and confused why I was even talking to him, and more than a little annoyed. So I offered him $20 for the trouble. Only then did he realize how much this meant to me, then softened his stance. He politely turned the $ down, and quietly moved to another spot. That was our last interaction. Whoever that dude was, I'm still so thankful he was willing to move!
Anyhow, I do wish there was some standardized test of charging speed by EPA or whoever, but I realize that's not really possible/feasible/affordable. Next best might something like 10% to 80% is best, using the fastest/typical/worst (for Tesla that's 80F weather with V3, V2, then 15F cold soaked battery using Urban Supercharger). I know, not exactly easy outside of a lab.
Or perhaps 20% to 80%, which I think is more realistic for most family road trips, where some passengers and the driver might freak out about getting lower, esp. if wind/rain are in forecast. Also noticed this sort of charging was typical for our numerous family 480 mile trips from Hartford CT to Pittsburgh PA, where the spacing of the Superchargers just works out that way. Yes, it slowed the overall trip duration slightly.
Ideally, any model year EV in a table showing the charging speed degradation in speeds after 1, 2, and 5 years would be awesome nerd data esp. for used car buyers (think Leaf or Bolt), but that sort of fleet data would have to be from TeslaFi or similar, and there is no standardized API for all that for other brands. Oh well, one can always hope!
It doesn’t like look like the charge curve of the LR 2021 with LG batteries (almost never reach 200kW)
"Just added 100 miles" thats not always true, I'm currently doing a drive, Colorado to New Jersey in 1°f and my m3 lr 2021 was averaging above 400wh/mi and that epa range rating needs to have city vs highway ALONG WITH summer vs winter mileage range.
It's so bad I want tesla to service the car and make sure nothing is wrong, I'm blowing through kwh's.
What about price difference?
do you have acwebsite where e can compare all the chargers at once? see all of your rates
Not yet. Working on it
Crazy the ID4 charges to 100% in about same time
100 miles in 10 minutes and that's pretty good?
In my hybrid I can add 450 miles of range in about 3 minutes.
A Supercharger in Georgia @ Tubman Museum 450 Martin Luther King Jr Blvd. Macon, Ga is not listed in the Tesla Supercharger list. So many cars that use this location don't get the prep for faster rate 150kW its rated Because the car doesn't know its there. I have been trying to have tesla include this 8 stall location, So far no success even after update 20121.4.17
I think the fact that 2021 model 3 was not able to hold 250kW charge power for a longer time could be because power was redistributed to another stalls at that supercharger station
So the Audi Etron is faster than the model 3 to reach 80% charged? How about 100% charged?
It's actually just slightly slower to 80%. I don't have the 80% to 100% time, because honestly, that isn't really important, IMO. Very few people will charge to 100% on a DC fast charger as it's really a waste of time. Maybe one day I'll do a video of that shows all the different EVs and how long they take to charge from 80% to 100% for those that are interested.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I see. Hopefully Tesla will allowed their cars to charge at 250kwh for at least 15minutes regardless if your state of charge is 20-60% 👍. Thanks Tom!!
When is your Model 3 LR 2021 from (month) ? I have a Model 3 LR from dec. 29th 2020 (updated version with black trim and cone LED front light) with an LG battery, and even though my battery is smoking hot (I uses ScanMyTesla with OBD) I'm not anywhere those speeds you're filming. Those speed looks a lot more like you have the Panasonic battery (which we know performs better), also because you get 75 kwh into your battery from 0%-100% SoC.
If you haven't watch Tesla Bjørns charging video, from the start of 2021, give it a go :-) Search for the title: "2021 Model 3 Performance 82 kWh Panasonic battery charging at v3 supercharger"
Something is suspicious with the curves. The area under the curves are proportional to the energy charged i.e. kWh. Since the area under the 2019 is larger than 2021 it means the 2019 used more energy than 2021 to reach 80%. Why?
You can watch each video and see the data is correct.
The X-axis of the chart is not hours but battery percentage.
Therefor the area under the curve is not kW times hours and the result is not kWh.
@@BertVanMullem The area under the curves are PROPORTIONAL to the energy charged. On the 2021 model 80% corresponds to 60kWh added to the battery and on 2019 it corresponds to 58kWh added.
@@arnecarlsson9740 no that's not true.
You are talking about the X-axis alone when saying 80%, not the area under the curve. Y-axis is kW and X-axis is percentage of battery. Multiplying both is not an amount of energy.
Charge this car at 11kW from 0 to 80% and add this line to the chart, now it took a lot less energy to charge the car?
The X-axis is not time and the area is not kWh and not proportional to the energy charged.
@@BertVanMullem I have never stated that the x-axis is time and that the area is kWh. I only stated the area under the curves are proportional to the energy charged. Average charging speed 0%-80% 2021 was 1.9 kWh per minute and 2019 was 2.1 kWh per minute which is essentially the same within the margins of errors.
How much did it cost you?
$42,500 after the. NJ $5,000 rebate for EVs, and no sales tax.
what would explain why the 2019 car could charge faster than the 2021 car?
Slightly less battery capacity and Tesla also has changed the charging profile through a software update
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney less battery capacity? Doesn't the current Model 3 have more range than the same model from 2 years ago?
@@cyclopsvision6370 The 2019 has less capacity due to capacity loss. So it should charge slightly faster, but that doesn't explain the curve. No my 2021 doesn't have the larger battery (82 kWh) that most assumed it would. Only the Performance models do. But the belief is that Tesla will start using the larger pack in all Model 3s sometime in Q2 of this year.
Electric car charging: How fast can these popular EVs recharge?
Level 1 Level 2 Level 3
Tesla Model Y 10 miles per hour 29 miles per hour 162 miles in 15 min
Tesla Model 3 11 miles per hour 30 miles per hour 175 miles in 15 min
Tesla Model X 5 miles per hour 20 miles per hour 175 miles in 15 min
Tesla Model S 7 miles per hour 23 miles per hour 200 miles in 15 min
Chevrolet Bolt 4 miles per hour 25 miles per hour 100 miles in 30 min
Ford Mustang Mach-3 miles per hour 28 miles per hour 59 miles in 10 min
Audi e-tron 100% in 129 hours 1000% in 10.5 hours 80% in 30 min
Nissan Leaf 100% in 60 hours 100% in 11.5 hours 80% in 45 min
I found this table in a tomsguide article which shows why tesla wins the charging wars.
Until the Ioniq 5 arrives in a few months. :)
Car and Driver did a similar test and compared the 250kW to the 150kW SC and the advantage was only 2 minutes to the 250kW Supercharger. I own two Model X and the charge times of 75% of the 100D's battery are the same as the Model 3 which surprised me. Charge times were faster on the MX 100D before Tesla made software changes to reduce heat buildup which was a good move since I'd rather not have the things burst into flames. Here's the Car and Driver article with graph. www.caranddriver.com/news/a32132062/tesla-250-kw-vs-150-kw-supercharger-tested/
A test of how quickly the battery drains under various conditions is equally as important as how fast it charges under various conditions such as when towing a trailer empty vs loaded and with a family of 5 plus luggage with and without a trailer. I've done both and the difference from just driving around alone at roughly 350 kWh/mile average (MX100D) to roughly 900 kWh/mile when towing a half loaded 6x12 trailer results in extra long road trips.
I did a test similar to Car & Driver (earlier in 2020), with similar results of about 2 minutes difference from 20-80%:
TinkerTry.com/first-v3-supercharger-in-the-northeastern-us-in-fairfield-connecticut#videos
4 comparison: Mercedes EQA ruclips.net/video/SLjNaRP0-F4/видео.html
My 2019 M3 is a lot faster... I think it throttles considerebly around 60%.
I'm really looking forward to the Ioniq 5 charging curve after hearing the rumours
Hyundai put out a video of a 10% to 80% charging session which took 18.5 minutes. Very nice curve - 189 kW at 20% peaking at 225 kW at 50%, dropping to 129 kW at 80%.
Fast charging reduces battery life. Granted Tesla does everything they can to reduce this, but constant supercharging will damage the battery.
Sure. "Constant" Supercharging will shorten battery life. But you don't need to constantly Supercharge. I only need to about once a month.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I agree, but people seem to forget this fact. Thanks for responding.
I can not understand why the 2019 model was charging faster. I can not comprehen it!
Tesla modified the charging curve.
Quite surprising to see you swapping your 2019 M3 after just two years. 15,000 miles is nothing on an EV.
he probably was able to do it for almost free given price changes and market value.
@@laloajuria4678 It did cost VERY little to upgrade, and I also wanted to do so for more up to date content here.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney That makes perfect sense and I suppose any losses were offset against tax as a business expense, essentially for all intents and purposes, making the transition virtually free.
@@laloajuria4678 Good point.
still not close to fast enough. If it can't give me 400 miles in 5 minutes no dice.
The other thing that needs to go into this calculation is how much wear and tear does the charging curve put on the battery. Charging speed doesn't matter if it ruins your battery.