Oliver Crawford: Scotland SHOULD be independent - 1/6 | Oxford Union
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Let auld acquaintance be forgot? Since 1707, Scotland and England have been united under one crown, a relationship that has survived domestic and global crises. However, relations have frayed in recent years and support for Scottish Independence has grown significantly, culminating in the 2014 Scottish Independence referendum. Following dramatic changes in the landscape of British and global politics, a resurgent bid for Scottish Independence has gained support. Should Westminster allow for a second referendum? Is independence a prospect worth supporting?
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Well said 👍that man.
Can someone explain what occurred when the gentleman stood up and the speaker politely said "No thank you"? The gentleman seemed to wish to interrupt?
I believe that people are allowed to ask questions at the discretion of the speaker.
A point of information, i.e. a question by the opposing side to the speaker.
@@YouFoundBen With the resignation of Nicola Sturgont, the Jocks no longer want independence but Scotland can never become independent as we will never allow it as England gives the orders and Scotland must comply or else, if Scotland became independent, Scottish independence means No NHS, No Free University Tuition, No Unemployment welfare benefits etc, Scotland is One if not, the poorest country in Europe plus Scotland is not really a country as it belongs to England, it's time for Scotland and the Jocks to grow up as they are not all that intelligent up there, Scottish independence - Don't make me Laugh 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
As others have noted, a speaker can accept or decline a point of information at their discretion.
Excellent argument put forward
There is no written consitution for England UK or Scotland. The problem lies in the system aka colonialism, which is forced upon the Scots. The Oxford debating society would do wise to read the claim of right
Scotland does actually have constitutional documents.
Didn't the Scots join willingly? They knew it was beneficial, but now, times are a little tough everywhere, they want to leave? What happens when it's better to be united again? Rejoin? It's either united through good and bad or divided.. No flip-flopping
@@Joker-no1uh A very good question that "did the Scots join willingly"? The answer depends on who you ask. If you ask those nobles who took the bribes then yes. They took the bribes whilst the English Navy sat off of Lieth and an army sat at the border.
They signed willingly whilst England had imposed the Navigation Act (a total economic blockade) and faced having their properties confiscated in England.
On the other hand the People of Scotland who are sovereign over their government were not consulted. They had no signature on the Treaty or Act of Union.
When Daniel Defoe, the English spy, reported he said that for every one Scot that was for the Union there was ninety nine against.
When the Act was signed there were riots and martial law was used to impose the peace.
So no this was not a consensual union that would hold any water by a modern standards.
Yes there are tough times, but not every where. It is the UK that is performing the worst in the major economies. Why because of Brexit.
A Brexit imposed on them that voted against it with 62% with the promise that "Scotland's voice would be respected". There was no respect at all. In fact it was the complete opposite with Scotland being dragged out of the EU against its democratically expressed will. Can you imagine what would have happened if the EU had done this to the UK?
Then it was compounded by the power grab with WM now spending Scotland's money as it sees fit by passing the Scottish Parliament that was voted for in a referendum by over 70%.
There is only one way to make sure that WM/England does not have the power to interfere in Scotland and that is independence!
The union has had over 316 years to prove itself. It is no "flip flop"!
Scotland wasn't "colonised" the king of Scotland inherited the English crown and united the kingdoms, it also helped that he had bankrupted Scotland with his failed land Panama canal fiasco and thus uniting the kingdoms put English wealth at his disposal. The English are still heavily taxed to pay for the Scottish with around 30% more English money being spent per head on Scottish citizens than on English.
These people talking utter shit about some naval blockade and the Scottish being forced into something...I am not sure if they are just lying or if they are conflating some earlier conflict with the act of union. Either way get better informed. Also as an Englishman I fully support self determination, if the Scottish want out of the union they created that is fine by me, here is your bill and good luck balancing your economy without the Barnett formula fleecing the English to pay for the Scottish.
P.S. when will England get a referendum on their independence from a racist, whiney and unproductive Scotland? I am tired of having to endure their tirade of race hate at the same time they have their hand out for my tax pounds.
@@Joker-no1uh 😮😮 you called over 50 yrs of neoliberalism Marxism for the elites and abject relative poverty in real terms for the rest, as just some bad times, ww2 was a bad time.... and even that hasn't destroyed Scotland and the UK in such a manner as these red and blue tory parties and britnatzis, just in 14 yrs of these ones 🤦... its the worst times... and that's when people usually revolt, especially Scots... thats our choice. Prevent it at your peril, for your English MPs have no right to thwart it... to do so incites violence and civil war, see : ALL OF HISTORY 🤦💩🕳🇬🇧🤦
No matter what anyone else says about about Scotland we had a referendum back in 2014 where the majority voted to be part of the Union and no matter who ever debates about it doesn't matter the people of Scotland decided and it doesn't matter how elequant the speakers eg salmondo the first corrupt minister for the snp speaks .
what a creat speech
Freedom of Speech in the works
I would suggest currently there may be a small minority of the nation that is Scotland, who may feel that their voices and ideologies are being met in the most part. However I would suggest that most of the Scottish demographic feel completely subverted, and betrayed by the Scottish Coalition. If I may suggest also that the individuals that reside here and work very hard, and that still maintain their traditional values, and remain steadfast with their commitments to a fair and competitive economy, not a "Free" for all, certainly these individuals are in no part represented by the Ascension of the woke madness, that continues to invade all aspects of our freedoms and private lives.
😂😂😂😂 then explain the British parties disastrous election results in Scotland since 2007. 🙄 we aren't let down,.... and pining in eloquence doesn't make you valid or sound smart.... Scotland isn't too wee, too poor NOR TOO STUPID to be an independent successful nation nation a better Standard of living than now not through GREED OF HORDING OUR OWN RESOURCE but by BETTER MANAGEMENT AND SHEPARDSHIP OF THOSE RESOURCES than ANYTHING England's done the Last 50 yrs with our EEZ. 😊 so strange every election was FAIR and pro indy keeps winning and increasing and winning and increasing even with the britnat media empire weighing down on Scots with fall info and jargon only a British nationalist could conjur .... 🥱🥱🥱🥱 💩🕳🇬🇧💩🇬🇧🤡
Well, James, given that the coalition represent the majority of votes cast in the last Scottish election. Clearly your assertion that the coalition represent the minority, is factually incorrect.
And there goes the buzzword "woke" the biggest indication that the one using it has no argument to make.
BUCOD in my hands 🦄
Eh ?
Blah blah blah
This Working Class hero, thinks he speaks for the Scottish people. The Scottish government are apposed to new drilling rites regardless of Westminster
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@VincenzoInfi , well done, you actually sum up perfectly the depth of the argument of anyone who wants Scotland to remain chained to the corrupt UK system. We witness this sort of response time and time again on social media when Brit Nat trolls get asked to list all the reasons why Scotland should remain chained to the corrupt, undemocratic UK system.
So keep up the good work, you are a perfect advert for Scottish Independence (although I suspect you are too stupid to even realise that 😄🤪)