Usually the "barbell" row reffers to when the bar hangs in the air without touching the floor, while the "pendley" row reffers to when the bar starts from a dead stop on the floor in the circles i run in. The Pendley Row is definatly more power and strength oriented while the barbell row is for hypertrophy (the comparison is similar to stiff leg deadlifts vs romanian deadlift in my opinion)
This is correct - the Starting Strength crowd uses barbell row and Pendlay row interchangeably (I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to utter Pendlay's name.) From the hang is definitely not a Pendlay row.
@@gregorysuchyta Glenn Pendley didn't invent the "dead stop" row, the general lifting community just sort of collectively named it after him cause he started yo use it at a time when it had been in hiatus for awhile. But you're right, SS community don't like to give him credit, cause he was a bit of an ass and an internet troll. And people realised they could row way more weight that way and then strength training became popular again after having been overshadowed by bodybuilding for a handful of years.
The Pendlay row (regardless of who initiated it) is in fact when you put the bar on the ground between each repetition rather than doing continuous reps. Hands still remain on the bar during the Pendlay version, there's just a brief reset after each rep, and more weight can be used. Each individual in this clip is "Pendlay" rowing.
Old school rows are the true barbell rows, completely parallel to the ground with knees slightly bent and feet closer than or at shoulder width. It really builds the back thickness and doesn’t interfere with squat or deadlift volume.that with a deadlift a pull-up and a dumbbell pullover and you should be golden 👌
It was all of the leg drive that convinced me to ditch the barbell row. It is, imo, a almost impossible to avoid cheat. So, for a long time now, I do weighted pull ups for my pulling exercise. While that can also be cheated, it is easier not to.
Nothing wrong with "cheat" rows as long as you're being honest with yourself about what your strict row is at and that you occasionally reset the weights and start rowing strict again for awhile.
Do both twice a week. The "cheating" is actually a positive: dynamic movements recruit more muscle fibers. Maintaining a neutral spine also trains lower back endurance. Pullups alone can't do this.
@@Lavabug I deadlift and back squat regularly, and lift pretty heavy (for an old man) with both lifts. We all make choices in the gym, I like the choices I've made.
Pro Tipp: Use a T-Bar Row (i.e. landmine) hinge/adapter and use a parallel/neutral grip handle for rows (or a Swiss bar). Why? Less grip issues (I.e. stronger grip without straps) and grip variance (DL already has mixed or double overhand grip, chins are usually supinated or same as DL, curls are usually supinated …). I recommend DLs double overhand/mixed, rows neutral, chins/curls supinated. Best of all worlds! 🎉
Any barbell movement that targets the antagonistic muscles in relation. To bench can have a carryover to increase stability in the shoulder joint which can create a better foundation for bench work. More stability means more potential for increasing strength.
I stopped using barbell rows because it was so taxing on my lower back. I was doing so many things to tax my lower back but as soon as I stopped doing barbell rows I felt so much better.
Why do they use so much leg drive? Whenever I look up barbell row videos there's hardly any knee extension, but here they pretty much completely extend them
I know Rippetoe has said in the past this version of a row is not a replacement for a power clean but it is a means of putting something a bit more explosive and dynamic into a lifters routine...especially if they are older and do not do power cleans. I do not use this version with the leg drive. I have no experience using them. I do see where they would overload the back and create a stimulus in the back. I just prefer to row as strict as I can manage (I think everyone has some wiggle when the rowing gets tough, as the nature of the exercise is for the last 3 inches or so to be by far the hardest portion, where most exercises the last 3 inches is the easiest) and ditch the leg drive. If I want to leg drive I will just do some power cleans.
Okay stupid question probably, but do you have older women do this move? I am 46 and my husband who loves this move is always trying to get me to do the barbell row. I don't like it and have only been working out a little over a year.
My 2 cents, if you do this exercise strict and without leg drive it is a top movement for keeping your back healthy and building the strength for good posture. If you’re already deadlifting and doing some other direct back exercise, since you don’t like them then I don’t think they are required
For big arms Barbell Wall Strict Curls: 3 Sets x 5-6 Reps JM Press 3-Sets x 5-6 Reps Cable triceps kickback 3 Sets x 10-15 Reps Incline Curl 3 Sets x 10-15 Reps Behind the Neck Rope Cable Tricep Extensions 3 Sets x 8-10 Reps Preacher curls 3 Sets x 8-10 Reps This is just a base, there are many more options that can be used all can be superset
Ffs sake who is thus guy? He says the Pendlay row is the one you do from a hang position and the standard barbell row is off the floor. It's the other way around!
Far be it from me to question your weightlifting knowledge, but a true barbell row does not touch the ground. At all. Try it that way, it's a lot harder.
Arnolds training was trash just like most bodybuilders. Bodybuilders are just guys with amazing genetics and are willing to take an amount of steroids that’s going to half your lifespan.
@@da_book85 I watched Rip's video on what the power clean trains, and it provides an additional case for training the power clean. Also it's a higher power / lighter weight movement than a clean, and should probably be utilized by people with some athletic aspirations.
@@da_book85 The snatch is trained on 1 of 3 days that you're in the gym. If you're talking American football, I'm pretty sure the power snatch would be very valuable, as it's weight taken explosively through the longest kinetic chain. And what do you think?
@@da_book85 I think the snatch can be picked up for a late novice within 2-4 sessions. Then it can be trained as a power snatch moving forward. Would you say that's worth it?
Usually the "barbell" row reffers to when the bar hangs in the air without touching the floor, while the "pendley" row reffers to when the bar starts from a dead stop on the floor in the circles i run in.
The Pendley Row is definatly more power and strength oriented while the barbell row is for hypertrophy (the comparison is similar to stiff leg deadlifts vs romanian deadlift in my opinion)
This is correct - the Starting Strength crowd uses barbell row and Pendlay row interchangeably (I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to utter Pendlay's name.) From the hang is definitely not a Pendlay row.
@@gregorysuchyta Glenn Pendley didn't invent the "dead stop" row, the general lifting community just sort of collectively named it after him cause he started yo use it at a time when it had been in hiatus for awhile. But you're right, SS community don't like to give him credit, cause he was a bit of an ass and an internet troll.
And people realised they could row way more weight that way and then strength training became popular again after having been overshadowed by bodybuilding for a handful of years.
@@Mukation Glenn Pendlay!! The People’s Coach legends never die!
@@arielrowley5198 He was definatley a legend!
The Pendlay row (regardless of who initiated it) is in fact when you put the bar on the ground between each repetition rather than doing continuous reps. Hands still remain on the bar during the Pendlay version, there's just a brief reset after each rep, and more weight can be used. Each individual in this clip is "Pendlay" rowing.
Old school rows are the true barbell rows, completely parallel to the ground with knees slightly bent and feet closer than or at shoulder width. It really builds the back thickness and doesn’t interfere with squat or deadlift volume.that with a deadlift a pull-up and a dumbbell pullover and you should be golden 👌
0:50 that is absolutely not a Pendlay row. Pendlay rows are off the floor with solid form, Pendlay explains it in a video on here
It was all of the leg drive that convinced me to ditch the barbell row. It is, imo, a almost impossible to avoid cheat. So, for a long time now, I do weighted pull ups for my pulling exercise. While that can also be cheated, it is easier not to.
Nothing wrong with "cheat" rows as long as you're being honest with yourself about what your strict row is at and that you occasionally reset the weights and start rowing strict again for awhile.
Ever thought of lever rows?
@@InvisibleHotdog No, I've been pretty satisfied with weighted pull ups. I'm just an old man just wanting to stay strong.
Do both twice a week. The "cheating" is actually a positive: dynamic movements recruit more muscle fibers. Maintaining a neutral spine also trains lower back endurance. Pullups alone can't do this.
@@Lavabug I deadlift and back squat regularly, and lift pretty heavy (for an old man) with both lifts. We all make choices in the gym, I like the choices I've made.
Pro Tipp: Use a T-Bar Row (i.e. landmine) hinge/adapter and use a parallel/neutral grip handle for rows (or a Swiss bar). Why? Less grip issues (I.e. stronger grip without straps) and grip variance (DL already has mixed or double overhand grip, chins are usually supinated or same as DL, curls are usually supinated …). I recommend DLs double overhand/mixed, rows neutral, chins/curls supinated. Best of all worlds! 🎉
Anyone find that pendlay row is good for bench press strength increases?
I find it helps my bench for sure. Maybe not strength but definitely more stable which allows me to bench more weight over time
Unfortunately a knee injury has had me using pull down and midrow for the last six weeks. But I can’t wait to get back to Pendlay rows
@@chriscota1635 👍
Hard to make a direct correlation but I think so too
Any barbell movement that targets the antagonistic muscles in relation. To bench can have a carryover to increase stability in the shoulder joint which can create a better foundation for bench work. More stability means more potential for increasing strength.
I stopped using barbell rows because it was so taxing on my lower back. I was doing so many things to tax my lower back but as soon as I stopped doing barbell rows I felt so much better.
Yep!
Why do they use so much leg drive? Whenever I look up barbell row videos there's hardly any knee extension, but here they pretty much completely extend them
I know Rippetoe has said in the past this version of a row is not a replacement for a power clean but it is a means of putting something a bit more explosive and dynamic into a lifters routine...especially if they are older and do not do power cleans. I do not use this version with the leg drive. I have no experience using them. I do see where they would overload the back and create a stimulus in the back. I just prefer to row as strict as I can manage (I think everyone has some wiggle when the rowing gets tough, as the nature of the exercise is for the last 3 inches or so to be by far the hardest portion, where most exercises the last 3 inches is the easiest) and ditch the leg drive. If I want to leg drive I will just do some power cleans.
This form is too wild.
99% of the people at my gym do a hang row. The trainers don't educate anyone on the Pendlays. I definitely prefer the Pendlay
Okay stupid question probably, but do you have older women do this move? I am 46 and my husband who loves this move is always trying to get me to do the barbell row. I don't like it and have only been working out a little over a year.
My 2 cents, if you do this exercise strict and without leg drive it is a top movement for keeping your back healthy and building the strength for good posture. If you’re already deadlifting and doing some other direct back exercise, since you don’t like them then I don’t think they are required
I am 66, just started lifting 4 months ago, and I love the barbell rows fwiw.
Should I barrel roll?
Does he just go to the barber's with a photo of Teddy Roosevelt and say, "this?"
Everyone, Everyone Should Barbell Row Next Question
For big arms
Barbell Wall Strict Curls: 3 Sets x 5-6 Reps
JM Press 3-Sets x 5-6 Reps
Cable triceps kickback 3 Sets x 10-15 Reps
Incline Curl 3 Sets x 10-15 Reps
Behind the Neck Rope Cable Tricep Extensions 3 Sets x 8-10 Reps
Preacher curls 3 Sets x 8-10 Reps
This is just a base, there are many more options that can be used all can be superset
Placido!
Has your mustache gotten thicker since starting carnivore?
:O did he just try to sell 60$ straps :O
Ffs sake who is thus guy?
He says the Pendlay row is the one you do from a hang position and the standard barbell row is off the floor. It's the other way around!
Far be it from me to question your weightlifting knowledge, but a true barbell row does not touch the ground. At all. Try it that way, it's a lot harder.
13 inch arms 😂
You want a back like Arnold, train like Arnold. You want to train and look like you don't even lift, then train like this guy 😅
That's fucking dumb
Arnolds training was trash just like most bodybuilders.
Bodybuilders are just guys with amazing genetics and are willing to take an amount of steroids that’s going to half your lifespan.
imagine Brian thinking he's going to look like Arnold. Then looking half as good as 'this guy'. The swamp is full of people like Brian.
He looked pretty jacked when he was in Cancun. Anyway, the guy lifts for strength, not really aesthics.
This dude's been skipping brain day
Ay man, you said Deadlift, Clean, and Row.
Why did you cut out the snatch like that?
@@da_book85 I watched Rip's video on what the power clean trains, and it provides an additional case for training the power clean.
Also it's a higher power / lighter weight movement than a clean, and should probably be utilized by people with some athletic aspirations.
@@da_book85 The snatch is trained on 1 of 3 days that you're in the gym.
If you're talking American football, I'm pretty sure the power snatch would be very valuable, as it's weight taken explosively through the longest kinetic chain.
And what do you think?
@@da_book85 I think the snatch can be picked up for a late novice within 2-4 sessions. Then it can be trained as a power snatch moving forward.
Would you say that's worth it?
@@da_book85 I'm talking about someone who squats above 405, and uses snatches as a rest from heavy pulling.