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Someone kindly sanity checked the data and corrected it all in this spread sheet (huuuge thank you to magician) Please see corrected data in this spread sheet.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18qiYAuiFK810Ydkmor98ADd200yfhdKGlK0pX7_Wjf0/edit#gid=0
Have you ever mixed a product from scratch?
Yeah I was about to ask the same.
There are some interesting homemade wax videos he has made. He shows you how to make a good wax, you just need to invest in all the raw material.
@@carbonconnection2480 Yes he has made his hair fall out
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What a complete, intense comparison, your truely one of the best in the business👍👍
Some serious work gone into creating this jon,full respect and thankyou!
Not much anyone can say really Jon about this video other than it is absolutely what we all love to see, fantastic. Thank you for all the hard work that went into making it 👍
Thank you for doing this test. I know it's a lot of work, and I appreciate it.
Thanks John! another great comparison - On top of my huge range of detailing products (which should last me about 30 yrs, ! ! i now have yet another to try. (TAC systems shinee wax - thanks for the easy link and discount code) I do love buying and trying out new products). My mrs shakes her head and looks to the sky whenever new detailing stuff arrives in the post - although her car gets the same (well almost) treatment as mine. all the v. best, Andy
After I saw the title , the first product which came to my mind was the shinee wax 👍🏻
Looking smart John 👍, brilliant video as always, I’ve learnt a lot from you mate
Just wanted to say that I think your videos are great. Taught me a lot about detailing I didn't know. Very informative tests you do. Some very good ideas you come up with for the tests. Love watching them. Keep going and power to you. Thanks for putting so much of your own time in to the videos. Much appreciated.
Awesome, thank you!
been using Shinee wax for a few months now, it is great! I often use it as post wash detailer and the gloss is great and it rarely leaves any marks on the paint, super easy to work with too! just keep away from direct sun/hot panels and it'll leave a very deep and glossy shine.
How is the longevity. Jw if this is very temporary like days or a few weeks.
John, you are the true forensic lab-type. R-spec! I am very impressed with all of this. And the making of your own waxes! Fabulous my friend!
Really great video!! Balanced and in depth with no waffle. Well done and thank you!
Secret tip: if you ever get your hand on ODK Echo, HB Sauce Montan Madness, and/or Wax-Planet Obsidian or Assassin, try and test them. By far the best waxes I tried when it comes to anvisible i crease in finish. Not sure if that really is „gloss“ or just a change in light reflections, but would be really good candidates. Thanks for the test, very thourough and conclusive!
A bonkers amount of effort Jon, 5* review. I've just watched another QD vid you did and Shinee was a winner there. A trend?
I've also been looking at a few vids of WoWos QD and it seems to be getting some praise.
Jon, you really put gloss readings into perspective with your work; Job well done. You showed mathematically, how good and how close each of these products really is to each other. Especially since the difference between the top and bottom products on the list was just 5 points; let me explain. We have to remember the human eye can’t even see the difference in gloss when the change is less than 8-10-points from the baseline reading. So, looking at Griots, for example, the total of six readings changed by 6 points, so when you divide the 6-point total by the 6 tests, you end up with a net change in the gloss of 1-point; basically, it’s invisible to us. When you look at your top test, TAC systems, which had 12 points from six tests, and then divide by six, the average is only 2 points from the baseline. The top product was +2 and the lowest was -3. I love it because we all feel the product after we put it on our cars to gauge the slickness, but we still can’t see the difference in the gloss. Basically, you can’t go wrong with any of these for gloss and it comes down to personal preference. On the opposite side of the coin is durability and that we have learned is very different in the products you displayed. And finally, the cost can now be weighted greater in our decision process because the products are, for all intents and purposes the same to the human eye. In this business you have to be real about expenses and the products you choose will reflect on your reputation which is how we get loyal customers and referrals. So, since the products are all about the same in gloss, durability, is what will or will not protect your reputation and bring back repeat business and it is the cost of the product that will keep you in business.
This was a great video! I would LOVE to see a updated version of this with more/newer sealants and waxes.....use the winner of this one in the next one, include NV Lustre, maybe some Scholls products, some others.
I love your testing methodology, Jon, from a retired physicist.
Excellent comparison, informed and interesting. Well done
that person!For me, without a shadow of doubt , Simoniz Quickshine
Detailer is head, shoulders and feather cap above anything else. It’s absolutely
brilliant. Detailing sceptics will be won over. Trust me on this.
Wilko’s is selling 500ml bottles for £4.50, the cheapest
price in the country. If that wasn’t enough to convince you it’s now been
reduced down to £2.25. That’s virtually free.! They even gave you a full refund
if not satisfied. You couldn’t get vexed
if you wanted too!The product was recommended to me from a passionate, knowledgeable
local car detailer.
Happy Days!
Fantastic video Jon, thank you so much for all of your work and efforts! 🤩😉😊👌🏻🙏🏻
Lockdown hair cut... I got the same thing going. 😂
Lockdown weight gain too...
Hi Jon, So the next test could be old school waxes V Shinee wax. I have a good selection if you are still interested. I would also like to add that i really like Vonixx Blend.
Keep up the good work and stay safe.
I’m always learning something, thanks for taking the time to do the testing 👍
Thank you for doing these tests, in my experience, a lot of the SiO2 quick detailers and Beadmaker are shiny BUT they do not darken the paint color for that "wet look" the way polymer sealants or carnauba wax based products do.
You really have the most amazing product reviews. I appreciate you and all the work you put into this.
thanks Joey
I applied CarPro Lite a couple of weeks ago after a 1 step with Sonax PF and I think I preferred the look of the car before I did it, wanted a solid base so still happy I did it.
Bouncers is still a class product for me as I loved the way it made my car look and it’s good for dusty summer weather.
Great video! I used Shinee wax today on my car for the first time and it’s unbelievable how beautiful my car looks!
it does but a good shine on as well. most products do but im convince this and the gyeon detail spray are like shine monsters.
I think you need a way to include the starting gloss measurement as a modifier for the calculation. The higher the original gloss the result is weighted up
I use Gyeon's Ceramic Detailer and am really impressed with its slickness and gloss.
You're doing great work here. Thanks!
Another great video as always! Thanks for all your hard work!
Great video and comprehensive comparison! My two favorites for gloss are:
Tac Systems 1 Step Master
and Infinity Wax Primo Wax
Cheers
Excellent work as always Dad! Appreciate the time you take to do this. WOWO’s showstopper is supposed to be a pure gloss booster for car shows - if you ever get the chance. 😘
Wowo is appearing around here as well. I can’t take another carecare maker, there’s just too many to check out 😄
Fantastic!! I have been playing around with several combinations of products and while it’s extremely intensive the only way I have been able to consistently reach higher 90’s on the gloss meeter was with a base coating of CQuartz UK 3.0, followed by Geyon Can Coat, then Angel Wax High Gloss, then finish with P21s Concourse paste wax. It’s always a several day process but the outcome is worth it! Paste wax never lasts long over a coating but it gives it that warm glow that just can’t be recreated with a coating
To this day, bead maker is the glossiest product I've used but it has poor durability and attracts dust. I still use it as a topper though
Exactly, i dont use it anymore cuz of the poor durability and too much dust on the car after a while
How much does it usually last for you? Here in Chicago it last around 2 weeks or so?
Which product are you using now in place of BM?
@@daves.3278 Up to 2 weeks, which is fine as I wash my car at least every fortnight. After I've used my 5 Ltrs I won't be buying it again.
I know everyone raves about Beadmaker but I found it to be the worst product I've tried so far. I've never seen a comparison with Gtechniq products, I'd LOVE to see how they fair in the gloss race. I find them the easiest to work with and just gloss second to none.
i wouldnt touch beadmaker, or any P&S (PIECE & SHIT)
David C that’s funny, I wasted 20 bucks on a gallon and the small spray bottle I just want to use that up it sucks!
Levi White I’ll pay you a 20 to ship that to me
my silver metallic car glows with Beadmaker over a traditional sealant (Powerlock+, Wolfgang)
Awesome stuff Jon mine arrived yesterday and used it today, by far the best I’ve used thanks as ever
John great video and detailed analysis and the I love have one of those meters but they are pricey . Like see you due this with cermanica and graphene coatings. RSPEC readings will give you best data on how good the paint will look. Love the spreadsheet John ❤👍
Nice John. How about Polish Angel "High Gloss" added to the line up
@Brenton L PA High Gloss has been my favorite for a while. deep shine that repels dust. I have ordered Shinne Wax and look forward to how it looks vs. High Gloss.
@@rixZR2 high gloss has been my favorite spray sealant so far. Amazing gloss, ease of use and hydrophobics. Did you get to compare Shinee wax to it yet?
scenicroadwaysyt hello! I haven’t used it on my car yet as PA high gloss is still going strong and I doubt I would notice a difference until PA starts to lose its appearance. I did use Shinee on my wife’s black SUV and it gives off a wet glossy look I was very happy with. However, it loses some of it gloss within a couple days as where PA high gloss stays glossy weeks after its applied with no need to top it after several washes. Shinee vs PA high gloss will be very hard to tell the difference when first applied. Oh and I am a product whore that using my wife’s ride as a lad-rat before making it onto mine. ;)
Thank you Sir!! Excellent attention to detail I love the deep dive on all the products I love the technical nerdy data.
Jon, why don't you retest the three with high gloss reading on a different panel, then it will take any doubt that's lurking in the back of your mind and give an overall clearer result.
millions of backlog of products to test constantly. got to cover new ground and later we sort of revist things..
@@ForensicDetailing Millions Jon, you must be a busy lad , lol ?
Sonax BSD?
Shinee Wax is definitely on my wish list now! It looks to be a fantastic summer product for when you’re more interested in gloss👌🏻
Jon you look so much better clean shaven!
Stay healthy and thanks for the vids.
I can vouch for the Shinee spray wax! That stuff is absolutely incredible. I have never tried a TAC product I didn't like..
This was awesome, you put some serious hours into this, big thank you! 👍👌✌
Will it give Any better gloss than meguiars wax ?
Very interesting test and very thorough, however my question is this, can the naked eye see any real difference in any of these products? Keep up the great reviews and tests.
It takes a difference of around 10 gloss units to visually see..
@@jdisdetermined I thought is was 5 gloss units to the naked eye? 10 units make 95% of most gloss test irrelevant
@@jdisdetermined or around ten beers
@@rixZR2 10 is what the average person needs.. for instance to look at paint and say "wow that's shiny.." versus just another car on the road.. generally above 90 units.. 5+ is about what it takes to intentionally look at two otherwise identical surfaces side by side and see a difference.. 👍✌
I use carpro reload on carpro lite.
The paint looks 👌👌
Solid video. When I saw the notebook, damn. That's what makes you videos very unique and objective
Jon tested the hell out of that, excellent, thanks
Maybe carpro lite performed so bad, because it was not fully cured. The label says 48 hours to cure. What you think Jon?
Although was an excellent review! I'll certainly will get the Gyeon QD after this, since is the only one of the top 5 we have access here in Brasil. Looking forward to test myself too!
its possible, but I think ceramics generally struggle to add gloss on high gloss.
Great Video. Your approach to take 3 readings for each product left little to no room for error.
But, I feel the glossiest pre test panel did some injustice to the applied products.
If you took price and ease of application into consideration which product would you use jon?
Would love to see a d&d si vs bead maker like a USA vs uk!
Thanks for introducing me to Gyeon Quick Detailer... superb product, love it.
Thanks a lot for your work. It's pure gold your job. I can see results and to obtain conclusions with your cientifics tests.
Hi John - thanks for the video and all the effort going in to help us mortals. ;) It would have been great to have seen Bilt Hamber in there, particularly Finis Wax. Cheers keep up the great work.
i found if i follow the beadmaker direction and do 2 layer , it will do boost it a bit more!
Good and thanks for the test m8!!
Interesting that you didn't include Sonax BSD in your test? And Zaino Z6?
My mentor always said that the gloss is in the paint not the product. That is true but anything water based should give more gloss than solvent based as solvents can effect gloss negatively. Silica based products give a higher film build than silicones/waxes so more gloss/colour richness but many product types work well. You do great videos Jon. Always fun to wafch.
the physical or natural gloss of the clearcoat is the main thing isnt it. cant beat a good polish :) stay safe mate great to hear from you.
@@ForensicDetailing spot on mate. My thoughts are that polish gets the paint as good as it can be naturally and the sealants, waxes, gloss enhancing glazes plus coating as well take it a little further than polishes can due to acrylics pdms siloxanes, t1 grade carnauba and resins in these supplementary products. Im all clear no covid 19 after being tested this week. Phew. Stay safe yourself. Check out my podcast with the rag company soon, i hope that it is helpful and interesting to all detailers and enthusiasts. I dont consider myself a guru, just passionate
Nothing from Bilt Hamber? Was surprised by the Autoglym UHD so thanks for the test.
Also you usually do a VFM comparison with regards to price, how come you didn’t do it here? Would have been a good test cos I know the autoglym is very pricey but I’m not aware of any other prices.
Thanks again and keep em coming. Getting proper bored now 😬
I was looking for this comment. Bilt Hamber is setting the benchmark in many areas such as performance for value and still beats some of the more expensive brands. Maybe John has been accused of being buyers towards BH so he took the product out of the test. I would really like to see how either the double speed wax or maybe spray wax would hold up against the other brands in this video. (John I hope you read this 😉)
Amazing job as always. Recently I’ve tried a few different combinations on my vehicles. I used angelwax regenerate the. Egnima AIO topped with egnima wax. I was absolutely blown away. Did it on a black 2006 Yukon. Dripping wet! Ran out of time but will tip with ti22 tomorrow. Egnima was a little sticky.
Other combinations are jescar power lock plus and Colinite 845. NOw that is slick and beautiful.
Again amazing job!
Carnuba turtle wax paste for £5, is the only product I’ve used that’s actually given the warm depth and shine. Every other spray doesn’t come close. My black Carnuba wax’d car looked better than my mates Ceramic coated car
Would the Gyeon not be the best choice simply from an ease of application stand point? Seems like it's a simple spray on and wipe off as as drying aid whereas the Shinee has to be wiped on with an applicator and then wiped off.
Thank you for your hard work and great information!!!!!
Just bought Tac Systems Shinee Wax off the back of your review. I love D&D Si edition gloss so hoping this’ll top that. Look forward to some good weather so I can give it a whirl
Would be interested to see how WoWo's Show stopper would perform under your gloss meter Jon,it's specifically designed to give intense gloss but zero protection. In the future maybe.
Interesting test Jon. Surprised the Done & Dusted didn't do better though. I'd like to see some of the new Wowos products tested at some point, what with them all being revamped recently.
My eyes are my gloss meter. 🤣 I totally appreciate the time & effort you put into your videos. 👏🏻
Is that with or without the specs?
I love all your gadgets. Been looking for a gloss meter. Just found a nice microscopy camera. Great work!
Im using Bouncers SIO2 right now and really like it BUT Im working with a silver car mostly and its always a pig to get any real depth on that colour . Use it on the lads orange 208 and its massive gloss improvements . Ive thought about Beadmaker as a replacement once its used up but the price was kinda putting me off it for the amount you get . Top video as ever …...…… Happy isolation shave as well
Superb video. Appreciate the effotrt imvolved. I have been using Dodo Juice finishing products for a while, Future Armour (Spray Sealant) & occasionaly topped up with Basics Detailing Spray. Happy with the results on a Red 2013 BMW 116i
You are fucking class Jon ! What a channel, absolute diamond and content is golden
Spot on video once again Jon, top quality content. Thanks you very much mate. 👌👏
I wonder which result you would get by using the Menzerna Power lock ultimate protection.
The slickness of this sealant is incredible.
Give em a try
I have seen great results ( almost 10 GU added) with Turtle Wax Ceramic Spray. I started using it on my car. Really easiest application ever and great result!
Bet the ceramics would have done better if they were cured. I am assuming but I don't think he let them cure at all. From apex detailing, the graphine really gains lots of gloss after a day or two of cure time.
Calling out auto glym HD as the control and then it got 0 and was right in the middle. Nice.
Great test comparison, I’ve used the Gyeon QD and it’s amazing for the price
I knew tac systems would win. Brian from apex detail done a gloss test on this and got around 10 gu improvement.
Still when you look at the readings Jon recorded you don't see a massive variation. Post application panel was in high 80s which is so underwhelming. Something is off with this test but not sure what.
Brian has done a lot of great testing as well, I know he's very fond of most of the TAC systems products... I wish they sold their products through Amazon, their shipping cost is often a deal breaker for me when I want to try something.
SS OFFSHORE its b/c they lost their US distributor at the beginning of the year. The only way you can get their products is through Canada now.
EDIT: I was wrong as of yesterday TACsystems USA is back!!! Woohoo
Another stella vid John, Ive checked out some other reviews (clearly not as good as you lol) and seen GU improvements of 9.6 and 10.1 this was on a black car and the other on a white but even the white car popped very impressed, so as normal went on line and it must be good as its sold out all over the place so ended up buying the 4000ml so I set for life with this stuff, wife stated "you have 9 wax things why do you need another" maybe its a man thing but looking forward to trying it so thanks for the heads up bud but you cost me a bloody fortune but I love it.
i agree ceramics are not as glossy on application but it seems within a few days the gloss massively increases...I throughly belive that lite-weight ceramics need to be washed off, and remove the "dried out" product. I would be really curious if you did a small mini test about this on a small square panel, gloss before, after, and then after a shampoo wash. I think the gloss will increase after a shampoo wash jon, would be very curious.
Having purchased Shinee Wax after seeing your results I can say it is indeed very easy to use and very shiny, however since applying it I have had nothing but water ring marks every time it rains. These are hard to remove so I wont be using it anymore sadly.
Once again interesting vid. I love Shinee Wax and I am soon out of it...
Shouldn't the Adams be +1.2 not -1.2?
correct I update now.
From what I saw you would be correct.
@@ForensicDetailing Couldn't help but notice! Great video. These tests are excellent 👌
Unless I am simply being completely dumb I have to admit that I am puzzled by the results......
To clarify looking at just the Adams Data Sample:
20 Degree Gloss - Adams Pre Application result 82.8/84.3/83.9 = Ave 83.67
20 Degree Gloss - Adams Post Application result 82.8/85.5/85.0 = Ave 84.43
20 Degree Gloss Ave Increase = 0.76
RSpec - Adams Pre Application result 76.2/78.5/77.3 = Ave 77.33
RSpec - Adams Post Application result 71.2/81.3/78.4 = Ave 76.97
RSpec Ave DEcrease = 0.36
If you do a "logic check" (really this is a simple "Standard Deviation" test and for small data points is easier than the ridiculous SD calculation) by simply looking at the values of numbers all looks good for the 20 Degree Gloss reading - the pattern is for the reading to be similar or a slight increase.
BUT for the RSpec readings #1 looks wrong.
#1 = -5.0
#2 = +2.8
#3 = +1.1
A negative 5 reading looks completely at odds with the other positive numbers and suggests an error in either the Pre or Post reading (or simply written down wrong??)
I have tabulated the information for you.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18qiYAuiFK810Ydkmor98ADd200yfhdKGlK0pX7_Wjf0/edit?usp=sharing
I have checked my data as much as I can against your own numbers.
Looks like there are a couple of minor calculator errors but there are also a few other "logic check" numbers that look suspect.
Where the numbers look at odds with the logic check, probably best to exclude the pre and post values completely to give a fairer representation.
As always loving the great work though!!!!
I’d be interested to hear your view on WOWO’s Show Stopper. I’m hearing great things about it, although apparently it’s just supposed to be a short-lived product primarily for car shows etc.
It's a nice detail spray to have, not really essential. I think DDsi is the best topper in terms of looks, easy of application, water behaviour abs lasts 3-4 weeks. Showstopper lasts up to 5 days in dry weather. It looks a tiny bit better than DDsi.
JWL The DDsi is a great product. I’ve just used Gtechniq C2 for the first time as well. On top of Swissvax best of show it produced an amazing gloss on my silver paintwork.
@@simonwhalley1743 good to know! My daily driver is a silver car too. Just polished mine with Auto Fanatic's one-step Secret Weapon and coated with Fusso Coat. DDsi is my sacrificial layer/ drying aid from March to October. During winter I swap it for BSD. Showstopper does make silver paint pop.
We would love to have you test our Ceramic Wax PRO, based upon our gloss meter testing it would place in your top 3!
Clearkote 'Quikshine' It's well over 10 years old but still looks fabulous
What happened to your previous year's (2016) winner - original Done & Dusted...?
Great test! I would like to see Manett’s showstopper or megashine in this test just to see where they stand. Or maybe do ceramic toppers by themselves like exo v4, gliss etc....
Awesome test Jon.. 👍🏻 I have been using bead maker lately and my eyes tells me it is a gloss monster.. might give Gyeon a go...
I don't know how you could do it, but have you thought about doing this test with low pre readings? Would be interested to see what products can breath some life into dull paint.
Brilliant video! thank you for the hard work!
Fantastic effort gone to......thanks really appreciated.
Your best test yet!
Great video, John. Would adding Shinee as a topper on coating to give an added boast be advisable?
yes mate exactly that and its made by a coating manufacturer so should be good with ceramics.
It is *insane* on top of a quality coating's cool bright gloss.. adds some of the warm glow of natural wax and a dripping wet gloss. You will *not* be disappointed there. It is short lived though, a few weeks/washes, but it's worth it. I break it out to top show cars and my high end packages right before they leave.
I'm confused by this test. Using the mean scores, Shinee Wax increased gloss by a total of 3.96 gloss units. From what I have read, only a change of 5 gloss units is perceptible to the human eye. Based on this, the gloss added by Shinee wax isn't perceptible. Am I missing something here?
from a gloss perspective. if I took a car with high gloss from having good condition paint (high physical gloss). and I apply shinee wax to one side or one half. You will not be able to tell which side I applied shinee wax to. so yes you are kind of correct. its a long discussion though.
@@ForensicDetailing I'm very curious to learn more. Could you do a video on when a quick detailer becomes perceptible? This would be very interesting and original. Thanks for you channel and time. It's much appreciated!
Like always excellent video....
Been using Shiney Wax for a bit and really enjoy using it. But Beadmaker is still best bang for buck if buying in gallon form.
Thank you and keep up the excellent work,
Cheers from Montreal Canada
I know it would be a lot of work but have you considered swapping test panels to see if products that were used on a low gloss panel still gave the same improvement when used on a high gloss panel and vice versa?
Stay safe.
you have to polish the panels to remove the products fully and then you scramble up all the gloss values.
Absolutely love your channel. Can I apply Sonax BSD with TAC shinee wax? BSD had insane bleeding and shinee wax offers the best gloss
only one thing can be on top though my friend
Can this be used ontop of their spray sealent jon, the one you reviewed a couple of years ago.
The link to TAC systems Shinee wax isn't working...
should be sorted now thanks Dutch
@@ForensicDetailing Without haven't seen the video I just bought Tac Systems Shinee wax :)
Thanks for the discount!