Not good enough. I think we'll also need to add some sort of hazard setting move that does something strong. Maybe reduce the opponent's speed on entry.
Bruh seriously but it’s so nice when you have one on your side. I swept someone that had three legendaries with a Volbeat bc they let me get to +6 and just OHKOed errythang
Shiny Metapod was the very first shiny I ever caught in Pokémon Crystal back in the hayday. It was during the bug catching contest when suddenly a sparkly organge banana shown on my screen. I had no idea what Shinies were, complete and utter cluelessness but out of sheer curiosity I caught it and kept it. It was only years later when playing Pokémon BW when I began to understand what Shiny Pokémon were.. first thinking they wre introduced then just to later learn they existed all the way in Pokémon GSC where I recalled I caught a Shiny Metapod. When I properly understood what I captured by then... hearing all the sad stories from others who killed their first shiny I really looked back at my little self giving myself a pat on the back with a big GGs. I never ended up using the Shiny Butterfree that evolved out of it though... lol
I have soft spot for Vivillon for being an absolute menace in Wi-fi 3v3 singles in Gen 6. Nobody expects quiver boosted hurricanes to be landing as often as they do thanks to compound eyes and sleep powder enabling setup. On top of that it's probably my favorite bug pokemon design wise too I was particularly fond of the pattern my region had (High Plains).
I had to double check beautyfly having only air cutter as its strongest flying stab suspecting that was only the case in an old gen. No, no it's still that case in current gens.
@@lukealderson1421 I'm in emerald so quiver dance doesn't even exist all I can do with this thing is use it as a bad support mon with stun spore or something (doesn't even learn sleep powder lmfao)
It's straight up worse than Mothim in almost every way (hilariously, that includes bulk. Mothim also has 1 more point of Speed just to rub salt on the wound). Granted, Beautifly now has slightly higher Special Attack (100 vs 94). But Mothim has the amazing Tinted Lens ability, so he'll generally eat harder anyway. Beautifly is my first ever Shiny (technically Wurmple), so I also really love it, but it's just really sad,
@@InsertFunnyThingHereI once beat the Emerald Elite 4 with it (not my shiny. It was on Diamond). It definitely was a terrible choice, but I'm still really proud!
Butterfree getting it's own pseudospore with a more usable speed stat than spore users typically get was great. Nice to see a pokemon that was so important to ash learning empathy getting a niche as a support option despite major weaknesses. Having an actually reliable Hurricane that can be boosted even compensates somewhat for its mid spatk.
Venomoth is my favorite “butterfly” (I was going to justify it by saying it can learn Quiver Dance, but so can Bellossom in recent gens). Still, Tinted Lens is cracked, making Big Buzz virtually un-resisted and is terrifying after Quiver Dance. And since it only needs 2 moves for offense, it can slot in status moves for fast status after Quiver Dance.
@@OpaloAzul not to mention with the addition of dark type they had the chance to buff bug type, but ended up breaking it even instead. Bug in gen 1 was super effective against poison and this was switched over to being super effective against dark while poison now resists it. Should also note that poison was super effective against bug as well in gen 1
I was incredibly surprised to find out Butterfree is not only bad, but specifically bad against Rock. because Butterfree learning Confusion was definitely my game plan for beating Brock when I picked Charmander lol
Beautifly and Dustox are sad cases when it comes to the Bug typing, it's hard enough to get a crumb of usage if you're not overstatted or minmaxed, but they somehow have neither, and they haven't even been glanced at because of it. it sucks because they're really cool designs!
As a Nuzlocker Butterfree's 97.5% accurate sleep and assortment of psychic attacks make it a great Jaigen that usually sees use up to midgame. It's especially good in Kanto with all the poison types running around and can even make for a bomb defusal mon in Rocket HQ if you didn't get a Geodude. That said the lack of stats do keep it out of lategame and endgame as it becomes very vulnerable to crit oneshots and DoT Side Effect KOs.
Petition for Jim to add Butterfree to the Horse Council in order to help defeat Seadra before it uses the power of Jim's non-subscribers to attain full horse form
I will never stop loving Butterfree and using it in every playrhrough Sure I have to give it a crippling addiction with how many X items I give it but thats irrelevant when sleep powder hits :)
Gen 7. My favorite pokemon set ever, CEyes Vivillon with Sash, Quiver Dance, Sleep Powder, Endeavor, and Bug Buzz to ignore subs instead of using hurricane. Never had a better time in comp than getting to 1hp, dancing to outspeed, putting a mon to sleep then bringing it down to 1 and killing it.
I remember as a kid trying REALLY hard to make Beautifly work, swearing to my friends up and down that it has some hidden uses that people just haven't discovered yet and that I would be the one to do so. I was also like in middle school and had no fucking idea what even EVs were so I was clearly way over my head about a vast majority of things in Pokemon outside of "Oh this looks cool/cute".
Back in GSC my first shiny was Shiny Metapod which turned into Shiny Butterfree. Instead of killing it I caught it purely out of curiosity just to box it later... Still though, my first shiny story thankfully is not one where I killed it not understanding what I found. But capturing it out of sheer curiosity giving my story a happy twist. My Shiny Butterfree despite being boxed will never be forgotten.
I'll always love my bug types even though they are super bad competitively. So many of them have awesome designs and I love using them despite their many weaknesses. My irl name is Aaron btw lmao.
what I enjoy is that whenever he talks about really bad pokemon me a random battles player is like "what? these pokemon are solid even good." then I remember random battles uses levels to balance
Beautiful did got buff its spatk from 90->100 in Gen6 but like, you don’t need me to tell you how much of an impact this does to it’s viability… None(also the smogon set for it in gen 6 is kinda funny)
Butterfree is a great Pokemon to use if you're going for slow, bulky teams, because they often need more than one Leftovers and Compound Eyes raises the probability wild Pokemon will have held items
For some reason, I want to rant about Kyurem B being dropped from Uber for no reason and then proceeds to destroy gen 8 OU, then get banned before the release of DLC anyways (I think that’s how it went). Would like to see a presentation about controversial uber that dropped to OU (Kyurem B in gen 8, Zama-Hero and Darkrai in gen 9, etc).
Butterfree is like one of the only early bugs that can both serve its intended ingame role as a crutch character AND still remain functional through the rest of the game due to Compound Eyes powder support. That's absolutely worth something, still serving a valuable function even after it statistically falls off. That reflects pretty well in its competitive performance, where it's basically never been great but always at least usable in the lower tiers, where most early bugs drown in the ZU mires
Well, depending on Beautifly's relations with the paradox form, Old Money, it's too much of a liability to put him on the Horse Council just yet. This could disrupt -and maybe even put an end to Magcargo's work this early when it just got going and has momentum.
btw beautifly gets significantly more sad when you realize that it's not even usable in gen 8 or 9 formats. if it was it would still be bad tho, HDB would not save it
as a gay person who's terrified of bugs I think bug type should be super effective against fairies instead of fairy resisting it thanks for coming to my ted talk
I got a wonderful butterfree sweep in gen 7, i lead butterfree, guy swapped in chansey and got put to sleep. Probably thinking chansey is THE special wall. In any other circumstance they would be correct, yhe few turns it was allowed to be awake, it did some rocks and seismic toss. I got to +6 speed, sp attack and defence, bugg buzz did half. I was like, even I wasnt expecting that, and thus how my sweep happened because this tiny butterfly got disrespected on.
I always like the idea of these extremely early game bugs getting some ridiculous late game moves at level 100. It’s satisfying to imagine a trainer sticking with them well after the early game and being rewarded with powerful moves on otherwise weak mons. (not really related to competitive)
stealth rock made bugs so much worse. pairing horribly with flying and poison also hurts because that's what they end up combined with most of the time. add to that many bug types being pokemon that evolve very quickly and hence having low stats for their final stages and it's no wonder they mostly end up trash. but the thing is the typing itself is not *that* bad (especially when stealth rock isn't present or there is great counterplay to it) - heracross, volcarona, and many of the bug/steel types alllll show that when you give a bug type functional stats and a secondary typing to work with, they can be incredible in any area - defensively, offensively, or in the support that they offer. it's just a shame that they tend to get shafted with bad stats and secondary typings due to pokemon being balanced as an rpg more than as a competitive multiplayer game.... in truth that is the biggest problem with bug types.
Sad part is, Beautifly actually has 100 special attack as of gen 6. They buffed it but it made so little of a difference because everything else about it sucks.
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To buff bug types, game freak should add a 70 base power move that switches out the user. Would definitely be used in competitive play 👍
call it lane change and give it to a bunch of non-bug types. what could go wrong?
@@ElectricWindGirlFriend still wild that only 14 evo lines as of gen 9 that learn the move are bug type out of the massive list of non bugs
Not good enough. I think we'll also need to add some sort of hazard setting move that does something strong. Maybe reduce the opponent's speed on entry.
@@EclipseKirbyCall it Sticky String
it wouldn't make much sense that it would be bug type though...
Having a small heart attack every time i see quiver dance in random battles from these butterflies.
Holy shit mood
Bruh seriously but it’s so nice when you have one on your side. I swept someone that had three legendaries with a Volbeat bc they let me get to +6 and just OHKOed errythang
Casuals don’t understand the power of boosts.
D-does that give you butterflies on stomach?
Yeah, I’m not sorry for that terrible joke.
Shoutout to Butterfree for being the first shiny pokemon before they ever existed.
Shiny Metapod was the very first shiny I ever caught in Pokémon Crystal back in the hayday.
It was during the bug catching contest when suddenly a sparkly organge banana shown on my screen.
I had no idea what Shinies were, complete and utter cluelessness but out of sheer curiosity I caught it and kept it.
It was only years later when playing Pokémon BW when I began to understand what Shiny Pokémon were.. first thinking they wre introduced then just to later learn they existed all the way in Pokémon GSC where I recalled I caught a Shiny Metapod.
When I properly understood what I captured by then... hearing all the sad stories from others who killed their first shiny I really looked back at my little self giving myself a pat on the back with a big GGs.
I never ended up using the Shiny Butterfree that evolved out of it though... lol
actually ho-oh came first
Pink buterfree isnt a shiny...
Not even 10 seconds in and we already have a Jimothy Cools reference, nice
This is insane.
EWGF on The Fridge when
@@2010AZ later this week, I think!
@@2010AZ Does He Know?
@@Eyvel_NH Well I did not but now I do, truly a poggers moment of I say so.
I have soft spot for Vivillon for being an absolute menace in Wi-fi 3v3 singles in Gen 6. Nobody expects quiver boosted hurricanes to be landing as often as they do thanks to compound eyes and sleep powder enabling setup. On top of that it's probably my favorite bug pokemon design wise too I was particularly fond of the pattern my region had (High Plains).
Vivilion being actually good is still my favorite Competitive fact.
I love this Devil French Butterfly so much!
Beautifly doesn’t need a strong flying STAB move when it has absorb
well NOW it's viable
I had to double check beautyfly having only air cutter as its strongest flying stab suspecting that was only the case in an old gen.
No, no it's still that case in current gens.
Mothim has Air Slash because his entire personality is being just a single step above Beautifly
Beautifly is so ungodly bad it's hilarious I'm so cursed to have that thing as my only shiny
its also my only shiny! best believe I quiver danced through the elite 4
@@lukealderson1421 I'm in emerald so quiver dance doesn't even exist all I can do with this thing is use it as a bad support mon with stun spore or something (doesn't even learn sleep powder lmfao)
It's straight up worse than Mothim in almost every way (hilariously, that includes bulk. Mothim also has 1 more point of Speed just to rub salt on the wound).
Granted, Beautifly now has slightly higher Special Attack (100 vs 94). But Mothim has the amazing Tinted Lens ability, so he'll generally eat harder anyway.
Beautifly is my first ever Shiny (technically Wurmple), so I also really love it, but it's just really sad,
@@InsertFunnyThingHereI once beat the Emerald Elite 4 with it (not my shiny. It was on Diamond). It definitely was a terrible choice, but I'm still really proud!
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 I'm taking it a step too far and I'm gonna pull up with this fraudulent insect to the battle frontier
ElectricWindGirlFriend never fails to come up with the best video ideas (and never fails to have a name way to long to type)
Butterfree getting it's own pseudospore with a more usable speed stat than spore users typically get was great. Nice to see a pokemon that was so important to ash learning empathy getting a niche as a support option despite major weaknesses. Having an actually reliable Hurricane that can be boosted even compensates somewhat for its mid spatk.
Venomoth is my favorite “butterfly” (I was going to justify it by saying it can learn Quiver Dance, but so can Bellossom in recent gens). Still, Tinted Lens is cracked, making Big Buzz virtually un-resisted and is terrifying after Quiver Dance. And since it only needs 2 moves for offense, it can slot in status moves for fast status after Quiver Dance.
Horse council mentioned 🗣️📢💯‼️
We all stand up with magcargo.
As often asked...
Why the hell does fairy resist bug
Why the hell bug doesn't resist fairy?
The same way Fairy counters dragon due to common tropes. Just the trope about Fairies usually being friendly with bugs translating to a resistance
@@Roflmao6173 Then why isn't it mutual?
@@GeorgeDCowley That's why I said. But they couldn't buff bug type, one of the worst types in the game...
@@OpaloAzul not to mention with the addition of dark type they had the chance to buff bug type, but ended up breaking it even instead. Bug in gen 1 was super effective against poison and this was switched over to being super effective against dark while poison now resists it. Should also note that poison was super effective against bug as well in gen 1
I was incredibly surprised to find out Butterfree is not only bad, but specifically bad against Rock. because Butterfree learning Confusion was definitely my game plan for beating Brock when I picked Charmander lol
Beautifly and Dustox are sad cases when it comes to the Bug typing, it's hard enough to get a crumb of usage if you're not overstatted or minmaxed, but they somehow have neither, and they haven't even been glanced at because of it. it sucks because they're really cool designs!
Quiver dance is the greatest gift to all Butterflies and compound eyes is such a good ability for them
As a Nuzlocker Butterfree's 97.5% accurate sleep and assortment of psychic attacks make it a great Jaigen that usually sees use up to midgame. It's especially good in Kanto with all the poison types running around and can even make for a bomb defusal mon in Rocket HQ if you didn't get a Geodude. That said the lack of stats do keep it out of lategame and endgame as it becomes very vulnerable to crit oneshots and DoT Side Effect KOs.
Petition for Jim to add Butterfree to the Horse Council in order to help defeat Seadra before it uses the power of Jim's non-subscribers to attain full horse form
I will never stop loving Butterfree and using it in every playrhrough
Sure I have to give it a crippling addiction with how many X items I give it but thats irrelevant when sleep powder hits :)
Gen 7. My favorite pokemon set ever, CEyes Vivillon with Sash, Quiver Dance, Sleep Powder, Endeavor, and Bug Buzz to ignore subs instead of using hurricane. Never had a better time in comp than getting to 1hp, dancing to outspeed, putting a mon to sleep then bringing it down to 1 and killing it.
Moths>butterflies
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Irl too simply cause the rosy maple moth exists
@@MetronaJdon’t forget about the Venezuelan Poodle Moth (aka, my personal candidate for a bug type eeveelution)
comparing any butterfly pokémon to Volcarona is a "coughing baby" vs "the unmatched power of the sun" matchup
Mothim > Beautifly
This is why there are so many bug flying types 😔
Im so happy each time i go on RUclips and see a new video from you. I love your channel really much !
I love seeing horse counsel references. I love this whole lil ecosystem of poketubers
I remember as a kid trying REALLY hard to make Beautifly work, swearing to my friends up and down that it has some hidden uses that people just haven't discovered yet and that I would be the one to do so.
I was also like in middle school and had no fucking idea what even EVs were so I was clearly way over my head about a vast majority of things in Pokemon outside of "Oh this looks cool/cute".
Remember when Klara's bow made people think Dustox and by proxy: Beutifly were getting a regional form?
Back in GSC my first shiny was Shiny Metapod which turned into Shiny Butterfree.
Instead of killing it I caught it purely out of curiosity just to box it later...
Still though, my first shiny story thankfully is not one where I killed it not understanding what I found.
But capturing it out of sheer curiosity giving my story a happy twist.
My Shiny Butterfree despite being boxed will never be forgotten.
Butterfree is so goated I have a tattoo :3
I'll always love my bug types even though they are super bad competitively. So many of them have awesome designs and I love using them despite their many weaknesses.
My irl name is Aaron btw lmao.
what I enjoy is that whenever he talks about really bad pokemon me a random battles player is like "what? these pokemon are solid even good." then I remember random battles uses levels to balance
Beautiful did got buff its spatk from 90->100 in Gen6 but like, you don’t need me to tell you how much of an impact this does to it’s viability…
None(also the smogon set for it in gen 6 is kinda funny)
Butterfree being a horse opens the door to so many other possible candidates. What an epiphany!
My favorite is Vivillon. Fun collecting gimmick, sleep spam, setup, its cool
The Horse Council shall not prevail
I'm just realizing: Is Butterfree learning Hurricane a reference to the butterfly effect?
I still love them
Butterfree is a great Pokemon to use if you're going for slow, bulky teams, because they often need more than one Leftovers and Compound Eyes raises the probability wild Pokemon will have held items
I still miss Ash's butterfree...
Beautifly has such a good design, I wish it had better stats because it's painful to use even in a game playthrough
Not the Horse council XD
Getting hyped for the superior moth sequel
Vivillion giving the middle finger to god is truly cathartic
For some reason, I want to rant about Kyurem B being dropped from Uber for no reason and then proceeds to destroy gen 8 OU, then get banned before the release of DLC anyways (I think that’s how it went).
Would like to see a presentation about controversial uber that dropped to OU (Kyurem B in gen 8, Zama-Hero and Darkrai in gen 9, etc).
Maybe also touch about box legendary mons that are forced in Uber but is never really viable, but also just feels too insane to be in OU
Butterfree is like one of the only early bugs that can both serve its intended ingame role as a crutch character AND still remain functional through the rest of the game due to Compound Eyes powder support. That's absolutely worth something, still serving a valuable function even after it statistically falls off. That reflects pretty well in its competitive performance, where it's basically never been great but always at least usable in the lower tiers, where most early bugs drown in the ZU mires
I never thought id see the day where someone says Vivillion correctly... I can finally die
I love my buggy bois. My Butterfree, Spex, and my Vivillon, Sprinkles, are some of my absolute favorites.
Mega Pinsir is an example of a great Bug/Flying Pokémon
When GF gets around to making a bug/dragon type mon, I hope it’s a butterfly.
The heart surgery was not on my bingo card
Alright, requesting you do the moths next.
Been watching your videos for a while now never realized what your name was until the heart surgery Clodsire slide lol
One day, we'll get all the butterfly pokemon in one game again
Vivillon was the first pokemon I got to level 100 in Kalos because of how much fun it was to use compoundeyes+hurricane
The heart surgery lore drop was NOT what I anticipated when I clicked on this video.
The horse council will hear of this...
Well, depending on Beautifly's relations with the paradox form, Old Money, it's too much of a liability to put him on the Horse Council just yet. This could disrupt -and maybe even put an end to Magcargo's work this early when it just got going and has momentum.
btw beautifly gets significantly more sad when you realize that it's not even usable in gen 8 or 9 formats. if it was it would still be bad tho, HDB would not save it
not even a little bit with either tera bug or tera flying?
I remember when Bug Catcher Ray took his Friend Guard Vivillon to Master Ball rank.
horses are back for a limited time
Could you please do Arceus next?
I wonder how good a lot of these would be if the Flying type wasn’t automatically slapped on them all.
I think this is the first time I've seen a youtuber correctly pronounce Vivillon
No one _ever_ suspects... THE BUTTERFLY!!!
I suppose you can give Beautifly Huge Power. It might be able to carve itself a small niche.
If pivot moves became restricted to pokes of the moves type, the entire meta from the top down would be shifted and this would be healthy for the game
They should give Beautifly access to Simple and a flying type version of Astral Barrage if it returns this gen, as an apology
Hey a JimCool reference, nice
Can we get a follow up about Pokemon’s moths?
I wonder if the reason Vivillon learns Hurricane is a reference to the Butterfly Effect.
butterfly pokemon should get an ability that raises evasion every turn. a speedboost equivalent
EWGF UPLOAD LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOI
Shoutout to EWGF for surviving heart surgery by turning into Clodsire
as a gay person who's terrified of bugs I think bug type should be super effective against fairies instead of fairy resisting it thanks for coming to my ted talk
I got a wonderful butterfree sweep in gen 7, i lead butterfree, guy swapped in chansey and got put to sleep. Probably thinking chansey is THE special wall. In any other circumstance they would be correct, yhe few turns it was allowed to be awake, it did some rocks and seismic toss. I got to +6 speed, sp attack and defence, bugg buzz did half. I was like, even I wasnt expecting that, and thus how my sweep happened because this tiny butterfly got disrespected on.
Butterfree with Compoundeyes Sleep Powder and Dream Eater was an absolutely silly combo. Not great, but still fun.
Game freak knows bugs struggle, that's why they made struggle bug
I wonder if Multiscale or Dazzling can help Beautifly carve out some niche
No matter how strong you are, you still lose to Sleep Powder.
Unless you’re made of grass or gold I guess.
choice spec tinted lens yanmega goes hard in ranbat
thanks for reminding me to click for palestine!
I think bug should be super effective against fairy. At least then they have a niche countering one of the best types
I always like the idea of these extremely early game bugs getting some ridiculous late game moves at level 100.
It’s satisfying to imagine a trainer sticking with them well after the early game and being rewarded with powerful moves on otherwise weak mons.
(not really related to competitive)
The Butter that files.
I can’t believe they did heart surgery on a clodsire
Moth version when? I want you to rip mothim to shreds (I love him but GOOD LORD does he have absolutely NOTHING going for him)
Bug should resist fairy and be super effective against it
Attending butterflies for thank you
They should make any pokemon that resembles a bug have the bug type. Hisuian Goodra and Magcargo and Kingler and Omastar and Naganadel
stealth rock made bugs so much worse. pairing horribly with flying and poison also hurts because that's what they end up combined with most of the time. add to that many bug types being pokemon that evolve very quickly and hence having low stats for their final stages and it's no wonder they mostly end up trash.
but the thing is the typing itself is not *that* bad (especially when stealth rock isn't present or there is great counterplay to it) - heracross, volcarona, and many of the bug/steel types alllll show that when you give a bug type functional stats and a secondary typing to work with, they can be incredible in any area - defensively, offensively, or in the support that they offer.
it's just a shame that they tend to get shafted with bad stats and secondary typings due to pokemon being balanced as an rpg more than as a competitive multiplayer game.... in truth that is the biggest problem with bug types.
Beautifly has actually zero game and thats so funny to me
Sad part is, Beautifly actually has 100 special attack as of gen 6. They buffed it but it made so little of a difference because everything else about it sucks.
Vivillion is nat dex 666 which is cool. should've been a third evo for houndoom but whatever I guess
Heart surgery??? 😭😭 Glad you're okay king
Now hear me out: Compoundeyes boosted Tera Flying Choice Specs Hurricane spam on Butter or Vivi
no way horse council mentioned
How’s ur heart doing buddy
thankfully good, haven't had any issues since
@@ElectricWindGirlFriend love to hear that
Scizor is my favorite butterfly
Why nobody talks about dustox?
BUTTERFREE FOR HORSE COUNCIL
I love Butterfree :)