Not only is the engineering top notch. We have Yuki Tsunoda to watch this year. Disciplined Japanese heart and temperament shredding the hell out of a Honda engine. It’s gonna be a fun year to watch Yuki scrap his way through the mid field!
japanese people are very very detail oriented and they leave no stones unturned. Anything less than total perfection is out of the question. This is part of their culture.
i know this is a joke and all but the airbox in the alpine houses alot of the cooling too, their sidepods are tiny compared to others as a result but the airbox is well huge
That's because Honda racing is an r&d arm. they're trying to develop things for other cars and when they develop something big they've gotten what they need out of it. They usually go in with a goal
@@EugeneNaidoo Honda was a works team though. Brawn used Merc engines. The deal RB struck with Honda was a master stroke, before the engine freeze at the end of this year, instead of 2023. This will allow RB to simply buy the engines direct from Honda and upgrade them on their own ala Mugen. When I went to F1 races in the 90s, That Mugen Honda engine was the loudest engine on the grid. Louder than the 412 t2. An absolute beast.
I’m sure the Honda engineers are going to be very interested in what Perez has to say about the engine performance given he’s been driving a Mercedes powered car for a few years now
8 years to be specific (Remember that not only was Force India using Mercedes engines since 2009, but he also drove for Mclaren right after Hamilton left when they were still a Mercedes team in 2013 before joining them in 2014).
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks and it will never be. Just remember last season when Ferrari failed to make BOTH a competitive car and engine and everybody shitted on it. McLaren switches to Honda in 2015 and struggled all the way to 2018 even with Renault PUs and people shut their mouths and closed their eyes. And no, it wasn't only Honda fault for reliability, it lacked power and the car lacked big time in aerodynamic efficency.
Mike Tyson isn't the original guy who made that quote, he just made it famous. It was Joe Louis from the 1930s who said it first, his exact words being “Everyone’s got a plan until they get hit.”
@@yigithan3713 They allready gave Red Bull the IP of their engines. Red Bull is allready building a powertrain factory. I'm pretty sure this is Honda's last year in F1. If you still want to dream about Honda staying in F1 maybe if RBR wins both titles this year and Yuki Tsunoda does very well Honda has a change of heart and buys Alpha Tauri from Red Bull to enter as a full Honda works team.....
I'm cautiously hopeful... But the safest bet by far is Mercedes dominating as usual. I haven't seen enough to convince me of anyone making such huge leaps as required to beat Mercedes.
@@souldevil6997 Also Vettel’s championships mean nothing. And Schumacher’s at Ferrari’s. And Senna’s at McLaren. And don’t get me started on freeloaders like Jim Clark or Fangio...
@peter pan they are renowned sansbaggers. 2019 they finished testing saying Ferrari had a second on them. Come race day, it was the opposite. Every year has been more or less the same. The testing margin has never reflected Mercedes' true pace. I just can't see 2021s regulations, which effectively are 'b' versions of last year's cars, causing Mercedes to lose their massive advantage from last year. If anything it should be bigger
@@weallfollowmanutd If they had been powered by the Merc PU all that time you would definately have a point... but I feel that you can't really blame Newey for everything when their engines have often been part of RB's performance deficit.
@@paulhope3401 not only engines, if it was engines lmao then they would have not won few races during these merc dominance years. part of it to blame goes to the aero package too for the rbr car. merc mainly attacks on their aero package, merc has superiority in aero package. if rbr can make a car with better aero package then gg, it will be a lit season cuz mclaren also seems bit of strong
@@monishdey3705 Nah, I just can't agree with that on the whole.. sorry. When you have a power advantage you can build a high downforce car which brings its own obvious advantages.. and when you don't you have to go the opposite way hence why Ferrari looked to have gone backwards x10 with their 20 car having lost their naughty engine but still having a high downforce car already developed for the season which they just couldn't revert back to being slippery without huge compromise in other areas. It's fairly common knowledge that Merc have almost always had the leading power figures (bar when Ferrari had their naughty engine) so for RB be able to steal some wins, to me, that suggests RB at times arguably had a better chassis/aero than Merc to be able to beat them with a power deficit. There is a reason why Merc refused to supply RB with engines.. and its because they know exactly how good they are Aero and chassis wise... and they fear them. Merc may not get out the blocks fast this season with that unstable rear but if anyone on the grid can turn a season around, Merc would be the first team I'd put my money on. Really hope that RB can bring it to them and challenge them though, with that strong driver pairing and new engine which looks to be strong, if it is reliable 2021 is their best chance for a title in many years.
@@user-wu2wj5ji9w well Haas said the engine didn’t improve that much, Carlos seems to be struggling and Leclerc will probably divebomb the first chance he gets - soo the possibility is there
This being the last year for the Honda name I am hoping it will be a great season and Honda is on top of a lot of podiums and gets the recognition it truly deserves! Good Luck !!!
I just want to see a fight like back in 2010-14 I know Redbull took those seasons but 3 teams were pushing each other hard and you just didn't know who would win every week!
Honestly this. I’ve been wanting Mercedes to get knocked from the top for a while now, but I’ve realised I don’t want them to get worse to do it. I want to see the other teams jump up to Mercedes level, beat them in a fair and close race. It’s what the sport needs
@@tyler_bt3326that's what I was trying to say just used different words HAHA! Who didn't love the grey area era. Just the F duct, RedBull flex wings, Ferrari's crying until they figured it out and caught up which would be a race or two and you would be nervous as a fan every week. Now I just look at if someone will luck out and beat MB. I want Ferrari RedBull and McLaren/Aston Martin all pushing MB and battling for wins!
@@humbertosouza9013 basically the chassis/aero team at Mclaren had their own agenda and didn’t rly built the car around the engine instead making Honda build the engine to accommodate the car. It impeded the development of a solid size zero engine. Mclaren were a bit of a conservative team and Honda had to compromise in a lot of areas which reduced the potential of that engine. But also Honda did not have the required tech or experience they have today with the bulls.
@@Pepe-dq2ib i like the sound of that, i sincerely hope this isnt the beginning of the end for f1. I dont want all the teams to stop for climate change reason. Edit: i am all for stopping climate change, but i just hope f1 wont die out slowly
@@timp1154 If climate change was real they would limit the number of Cats and Dogs people could own. Meat eating pets are on the rise, as is deforestation to farm meat.
@@vynnxa6416 Well, no. It's a combination of factors. I think mostly the pandemic. Honda has a history of pulling out of F1 during financial hardship, and it somehow always lines up with them being on the verge of a breakthrough! Many of the engine manufacturers are now pursing electric technology in favor of internal combustion, which I imagine is also a factor.
@@badz1497 I think every team and every engine supplier has its bad years. The good thing that came out of that is that McLaren focused on its other problems during that time, which allowed them to design a great chasis for the last couple of years. Hopefully they will stay competitive.
Ron Dennis was right about size zero, BUT his timing was completely wrong. At the start of the hybrid era, it was better to focus on power and reliability, even if that carried a weight and packaging penalty. If Dennis had allowed Honda to focus on power and reliability first, then make the engine more compact, the strategy that Mercedes used, perhaps the hybrid era would have been more competitive, as Red Bull could have moved to Honda power earlier. With a Honda powerunit at the the same level of Mercedes, Red Bull could have used higher downforce setups, without being destroyed on the straights, this would have pushed Hamilton and Mercedes hard at every race, we saw in 2016 with Rosberg, that Hamilton could be beaten, if extreme pressure was applied. As Red Bull pushed Mercedes, tensions would have arisen, it is easy to be cool Toto, when your car is so much faster, just look at machine-like Ferrari in the 2000s, compared to clown school Ferrari in 2020...
"If Dennis had allowed Honda to focus on power and reliability first, then make the engine more compact, the strategy that Mercedes used, perhaps the hybrid era would have been more competitive, as Red Bull could have moved to Honda power earlier." I don't see how, given that McLaren had negotiated the exclusive usage of Honda's engine. To be able to supply Red Bull, they'd have to change the contract.
Yup, such a beautiful curve from above the airbox to the differential, the RB pretty much the only car on the grid that has that, all others have shapes interrupting that line
@@chodagreat7876 If I'm not mistaken Honda have supplied RedBull with some of their current F1 project personnel and a lot of information on facility needs for their new venture in designing and manufacturing of their own power units. It's been a while back that i heard about it on The Race's channel, so i suggest giving it a search. I may be wrong, so feel free to correct me if i am
@@PLZFrosty you are correct. And I wouldn't be surprised if this was just a cheeky move on their part. Think about it. Honda knows they have something good. They push to have an engine freeze. Only way to do that is to have Honda pull out and RB take over. They pull the trigger, move their F1 staff to RB and....nothing is stopping them from coming back to be an engine sponsor (Remember the "TAG" engine) lol. Man if they do that i will be rolling. It would be brilliant.
Toyota also ran into reliability problems with their engines at one point because their technical director Mike Gascoigne demanded engine chief Luca Marmorini make the block and core architecture as small and light as possible. The car needs to be a complete package, so there has to be some give and take on the engineering side. :)
Sucks that Honda is leaving F1, hopefully the nex-gen engine regulations will tempt them back, especially if carbon-neutral biofuels are part of future F1.
We are going to have a title fight to watch ladies and gentlemen. This will be the first f1 season I've been interested in since the advent of hybrid engines.
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'17 and esp '18 were competitive but Seb fucked it up himself 3x a 2x had a bad luck. Red Bull was fast in '18 too, but bad reliability
@ fck off with this bs...in '17 Ferrari had huge reliability issues, Seb made viewer mistakes than Hamilton that season. In '18 yes Seb fcked it up in Germany but he was still ahead at this point, after the summer break Ferrari literally had a slower car and by the end of the season Ferrari was third fastest after Redbull. Ferrari always lacked in developement throughout the season, while Mercedes closed the gap within one weekend and kept developing to always become the clearly faster car by the end of the season. '18 and '17 was not all Seb's fault and the blame for '17 was more on the Ferrari's side for sure.
No wonder when watching the Red Bull car's back, it reminded me of the Mclarens! Didn't know that it was more technical rather than what meets the eye. This is possibly one of the best videos explaining the technicalities of a F1 car.
Based on reports, the Mercedes engine still has the higher BHP, improved cooling & better ERS development based on gains made this year but I really hope Honda face no major surprising issues. A three-day test may not be representative on reliability.
@@laran110 I've tried to link it twice now & they keep getting deleted. Google search "Mercedes expects a more powerful engine in 2021" and then go to Medium for a wrap up. For more in depth, search "Mercedes: è di Sassi la combustione del motore 2021" and then click on Motorsport's article.
Every journalist that covers American auto racing should be required to watch this video. These are the things long time or even passionate race fans want to know. THANK YOU 👍🏁👍🏁
Thanks. We'd love to say this was actually a competition and there was a prize for whoever spotted them first (as there are actually 2 😬), but unfortunately it was just us letting a couple slip through the net. Sorry!
@@WeAreTheRace Haha thanks for the thought. We're both winners as i have yet to dislike the content and look forward to it, and you guys hitting 500k subscribers with great video's and content in a astonishing time
@@Christopher-ye3yk Rover also.(british car) My first car was Rover 200 with K series. Headgasket was shit tho. Lots of fixing but at least civic had the same layout and parts, so it was easier to find parts in a country where maybe 20 Rovers roamed the roads
One of the "tricks" Honda is using is burning extra fuel in order to recover more energy while slowing down. This should mean their ERS doesn't run out of steam on long straights anymore and can be deployed more often without running out of energy on longer laps. In short more power more of the time.
@@zwamman not sure about that. But the story is that the Honda engine is efficient enough to do with less fuel so they have a little to spare which they use to generate more energy to flow to the batteries. So let's say they use some of the energy, this the battery is at 60%. In that scenario they add some fuel to generate energy to use during the next acceleration or on the straight.
Post 2021 (13 Feb 2022 at time of this posting) looking back the Honda power units (PU) was indeed very reliable. Honda it seems have not only built a motor that rivals Mercedes in power, it is proven to be more compact and arguably more durable. Christian Horner even said had it not been for the high speed shunt by Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen in the British GP damaging the Honda PU, Red Bull would not have needed any more PU above the allocated 3 units. Mercedes on the other hand had to take extra PU's as they decided their PU's were degrading and bleeding more hp's than they are comfortable with against what is also equally ageing Honda PU's. Checo would have been looking at a step up PU and would no doubt have been shocked to see the size. It would be like seeing an ipod for the first time.
Thanks for sharing, that's amazing and only real engineers and true car enthusiasts understand and appreciate it. This also will have implications for Honda products and maybe a Honda hyper car and replace Honda V10 hyper car development. May also affect NSX.
For Honda to leave with a championship will be a hugely emotional affair. So much pride if they do win after almost getting from F1. Best of luck for Max and Sergio this year!
On the Engine side, Mercedes is a step ahead. As i watched the preseason test, none of merc drivers go to 8th gear even in straights with Drs open, which shows they were using extremely low power engine modes. I believe there will be a minor discrepancy between Honda and Mercedes left. But on the chassis/aero side, It seems redbull is in a better place. All in all, W12 is probably a nervous car but fast as always. And RB16B look much planted and extremely closer.
Kudos to Honda for making a stunning comeback in terms of reliability and power output in its PU. If this year's PU is able to be bang for the buck as compared to the latest spec Merc PU, it would be a tremendous achievement before leaving the sport.
RB are fast for this weekend. Honda has huge engine R&D from its MotoGP bikes as well. Honda have said that it is only in racing, to train their engineers to a higher level.
I would rather have Japanese engineering than German engineering, just like Toto said am not worried about renault's engine but more worried about Honda, bring on 2022 !
It wasn't actually Honda who came up with the "size zero" concept, it was McLarens' aero director Peter Prodromou, who worked alongside Adrian Newey, the inspiration for his implementation of the concept for the MP4-30 at the time. This of course pushed the Honda PU to the absolute limit in terms of cooling and made their life and development extremely difficult. Naturally that was just one of many reasons why they failed to make a decent engine in their first 2-3 years of their comeback, but I personally think it was one of the bigger topics at the time (Red Bull Renault in 2014 had similar cooling issues due to tight packaging).
I know pre-season testing means nothing but... in 2015 what we saw was what we got and pretty much has been since for most teams except Ferrari. Even when Merc hasn't been runaway favorites, they've been strong and RB has always seemed a step behind. Now they look a bit closer I do believe we will have a fight on our hands. Bring it on.
I'm not convinced the changes are enough to outweigh Mercedes. Do we really think an outgoing engine supplier who hasn't come close to dethroning Mercedes of a world title for two years in a row will suddenly come up with an engine that will catch Mercedes? I don't. But that's just me.
I read they also changed the deck height of the block which would mean shorter connecting rods. Valve angle angle changes can lead ti huge increases in power by themselves. The question I have is what theyre doing with their static and dynamic compression. I would think high static but fairly low dynamic to take advantage of the turbo and MGU-H
GoatseObama If it turns out that Mercedes dominates the 2021 season from race 1 on then there's a change that Mercedes has an all new driver line up for 2022 with Verstappen and Russell as teammates. If so, i don't see Russell win 8th in a row.
While you make a valid analysis of RBR and Honda, You have downplayed Mercedes power in every video you make since the test ended. I will not be quick to conclude on this but it has many people deluded that RBR have already won the championship. We can only hope that RBR give us a nice show this year competing with Mercedes. But we shouldn't go to an extreme capitalizing on Mercedes testing weaknesses to conclude that RBR have already won.
Niiiice very informative on the power unit side of things because thats where we F1 fans are interested in and not always about aero. Hope you can do an indepth power unit on ferrari and renault... 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
RbNetEngr To be fair, Han is a talented driver. But he has the perfect BETA teammate and a Car and Team leaps and bounds better than everyone else. So yea, I’d argue he is a bit overrated and lucky in that regard.
I'm only a casual motorsport watcher, and appreciate any inputs to my questions: 1. why is Honda quiting F1 just when its engine program is starting to come to fruition? And what will happen to its program when it leaves? Simply shelf it?? And who will supply Red Bull now? 2. The fact that only Honda, with massive R&D, is only able to come close to competing agaist the Merc engine shows how ahead of the game Merc has been. 3. Looking back, McLaren made a huge strategic mistake in allowing Aloson to so publicly dictate their relationship with Honda so negatively. Sometimes drivers should drives and not try to be engineers and politicians. But i guess Red Bull should thank Aloson for his public opinions about Honda, but honestly I did not expect McLaren to ditch Honda becuse of their history together.
Noticed this year on redbull flying laps at bahrain the exhaust is still pumping boat loads of air off throttle while downshifting, the sound wasn't there last year.
Mercedes always performs better when they're on the backfoot. Remember when ferrari were spanking them with that "engine" in 2019? Incredibly mercedes managed to build legal engine that run rings around that ferrari engine. I'm expecting the same this year.
We need the Japanese in F1, their engineering capabilities are incredible.
True. They are brilliant when it comes to engineering strengths
Not only is the engineering top notch. We have Yuki Tsunoda to watch this year. Disciplined Japanese heart and temperament shredding the hell out of a Honda engine. It’s gonna be a fun year to watch Yuki scrap his way through the mid field!
japanese people are very very detail oriented and they leave no stones unturned. Anything less than total perfection is out of the question. This is part of their culture.
@@fragileglass9622 any chances of a podium for yuki?
Honda is not leaving F1. They just wanted the development freeze because the now have the best engine, and don't want the rest to be able to catch up.
Meanwhile at Renault : “how big can we make the air box ?”
i know this is a joke and all but the airbox in the alpine houses alot of the cooling too, their sidepods are tiny compared to others as a result but the airbox is well huge
@@turnip5465 I think the cooling is still in the sidepods but the intercooler is moved to the top. Makes more sense from a layout perspective.
"yes"
@@1barnet1 what's the reason that it makes more sense from a layout perspective?
they just looked up ligier air box and said yes thats our new style
Honda has the tradition of leaving when they finally crack the formula. I have high hopes.
I was abut to write basically the same comment XD
That's because Honda racing is an r&d arm. they're trying to develop things for other cars and when they develop something big they've gotten what they need out of it. They usually go in with a goal
And red bull stranded again
Truth
Poor McLaren who became Honda's lab rat for 3 years
7 years later, we might actually get a competitive season
Unless it's a textbook case of unterhund from two years ago, of course.
2 years ago wasn’t bad
*Laughs in sandbagging
2 years ago Ferrari should have won the championship so yeah there’s beeb a competitive season it’s just Hamilton is too good matches with a good car
Merc sandbag stacking
Honda pulling a Honda. Makes something competitive and pulls out.
Would be ironic if it were to be a repeat of what happened with Brawn GP 😅
Nah this time they pull out and then make something competitive 🤷♂️
@@EugeneNaidoo exactly what I was thinking.
@@manojlds lol, I don’t know if that’s better or not!
@@EugeneNaidoo Honda was a works team though. Brawn used Merc engines. The deal RB struck with Honda was a master stroke, before the engine freeze at the end of this year, instead of 2023. This will allow RB to simply buy the engines direct from Honda and upgrade them on their own ala Mugen. When I went to F1 races in the 90s, That Mugen Honda engine was the loudest engine on the grid. Louder than the 412 t2. An absolute beast.
I’m sure the Honda engineers are going to be very interested in what Perez has to say about the engine performance given he’s been driving a Mercedes powered car for a few years now
Me to
8 years to be specific (Remember that not only was Force India using Mercedes engines since 2009, but he also drove for Mclaren right after Hamilton left when they were still a Mercedes team in 2013 before joining them in 2014).
Thanks Honda, giving us some hope for a fight. You're welcome back to F1 whenever you want!
I know right. Couldn’t agree more👍
Absolutely 👍
I don't remember this love for Ferrari when Ferrari was the only thing that stood in the way of Mercedes. XD
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Because Ferrari is still evil.
Personally i'm warming up to due to this engine freeze by johnny come lately.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks and it will never be. Just remember last season when Ferrari failed to make BOTH a competitive car and engine and everybody shitted on it. McLaren switches to Honda in 2015 and struggled all the way to 2018 even with Renault PUs and people shut their mouths and closed their eyes. And no, it wasn't only Honda fault for reliability, it lacked power and the car lacked big time in aerodynamic efficency.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face." Philosopher Mike Tyson
Haha yeah 😂 so true
Lmao, yeah the great philosopher
@@andreas6525 He actually does have some great lines tho.
"Discipline is doing what you hate as if you love doing it."
@@vynnxa6416 holy shit that's good.
Mike Tyson isn't the original guy who made that quote, he just made it famous. It was Joe Louis from the 1930s who said it first, his exact words being “Everyone’s got a plan until they get hit.”
The more you learn about Honda the sadder you become to realize this is their last year :(
Yeah, that sucks.
But you know what else suck?
Ferrari engines.
@@Rainaman- no
@@Rahul-kz5fi alright, but don't cry when they burn up their power unit
is it certain? maybe they chance their minds after 2021?
@@yigithan3713 They allready gave Red Bull the IP of their engines. Red Bull is allready building a powertrain factory. I'm pretty sure this is Honda's last year in F1.
If you still want to dream about Honda staying in F1 maybe if RBR wins both titles this year and Yuki Tsunoda does very well Honda has a change of heart and buys Alpha Tauri from Red Bull to enter as a full Honda works team.....
I'm cautiously hopeful... But the safest bet by far is Mercedes dominating as usual. I haven't seen enough to convince me of anyone making such huge leaps as required to beat Mercedes.
The reason i consider lewis's championships nothing
@@souldevil6997 you consider Schumacher champonships with Ferrari nothing aswell?
@@souldevil6997 who care about no body like you ?
@@souldevil6997 Also Vettel’s championships mean nothing.
And Schumacher’s at Ferrari’s.
And Senna’s at McLaren.
And don’t get me started on freeloaders like Jim Clark or Fangio...
@peter pan they are renowned sansbaggers. 2019 they finished testing saying Ferrari had a second on them. Come race day, it was the opposite. Every year has been more or less the same. The testing margin has never reflected Mercedes' true pace. I just can't see 2021s regulations, which effectively are 'b' versions of last year's cars, causing Mercedes to lose their massive advantage from last year. If anything it should be bigger
I just find it frustrating Honda is leaving at such a good stage
I bet Newey was strumming himself off when they could package the rear end like that
Newey shitted himself when the 2017 rules started, i always wondered what the fuck he was doing. Hopefully, he has finally done something right here
@@popinjayjunior7698 Newey hasn't designed a car above 8.5/10 since 2013.
@@weallfollowmanutd If they had been powered by the Merc PU all that time you would definately have a point... but I feel that you can't really blame Newey for everything when their engines have often been part of RB's performance deficit.
@@paulhope3401 not only engines, if it was engines lmao then they would have not won few races during these merc dominance years. part of it to blame goes to the aero package too for the rbr car. merc mainly attacks on their aero package, merc has superiority in aero package. if rbr can make a car with better aero package then gg, it will be a lit season cuz mclaren also seems bit of strong
@@monishdey3705 Nah, I just can't agree with that on the whole.. sorry.
When you have a power advantage you can build a high downforce car which brings its own obvious advantages.. and when you don't you have to go the opposite way hence why Ferrari looked to have gone backwards x10 with their 20 car having lost their naughty engine but still having a high downforce car already developed for the season which they just couldn't revert back to being slippery without huge compromise in other areas.
It's fairly common knowledge that Merc have almost always had the leading power figures (bar when Ferrari had their naughty engine) so for RB be able to steal some wins, to me, that suggests RB at times arguably had a better chassis/aero than Merc to be able to beat them with a power deficit.
There is a reason why Merc refused to supply RB with engines.. and its because they know exactly how good they are Aero and chassis wise... and they fear them.
Merc may not get out the blocks fast this season with that unstable rear but if anyone on the grid can turn a season around, Merc would be the first team I'd put my money on.
Really hope that RB can bring it to them and challenge them though, with that strong driver pairing and new engine which looks to be strong, if it is reliable 2021 is their best chance for a title in many years.
Well then don't forget about Alpha Tauri with an improved engine. The midfield battle will be close
i think alpha will surprise us and will beat ferrari this year
@@manuelight oeh damn really? Do you think ferrari's driver might be able to beat Alpha with a despite losing in terms of the car (engine)? 🤔
@@user-wu2wj5ji9w well Haas said the engine didn’t improve that much, Carlos seems to be struggling and Leclerc will probably divebomb the first chance he gets - soo the possibility is there
@@vin483 would still be around 5th imo.
@@manuelight gets flashbacks of the sakhir grand Prix
I hope both of the Honda teams can beat the merc engines. Red Bull vs Merc, and Alpha Tauri vs Aston Martin
Honda is such a great story in current F1, I hate that they are leaving.
They're not.They are still working with RB until the next engine regulation.
It's a shame this is Hondas last year in F1. Despite that, It would be nice for them to go out on top. I can't wait for the season to start.
why is Honda leaving? they are doing so good!
Hope honda win it this year. They definitely put the time and effort in
This being the last year for the Honda name I am hoping it will be a great season and Honda is on top of a lot of podiums and gets the recognition it truly deserves! Good Luck !!!
I just want to see a fight like back in 2010-14 I know Redbull took those seasons but 3 teams were pushing each other hard and you just didn't know who would win every week!
Honestly this. I’ve been wanting Mercedes to get knocked from the top for a while now, but I’ve realised I don’t want them to get worse to do it. I want to see the other teams jump up to Mercedes level, beat them in a fair and close race. It’s what the sport needs
@@tyler_bt3326that's what I was trying to say just used different words HAHA! Who didn't love the grey area era. Just the F duct, RedBull flex wings, Ferrari's crying until they figured it out and caught up which would be a race or two and you would be nervous as a fan every week. Now I just look at if someone will luck out and beat MB. I want Ferrari RedBull and McLaren/Aston Martin all pushing MB and battling for wins!
you mean 2013. the only fight in 2014 was between Lewis and Rosberg
@@jonlamontagne Don't forget Alpine. They could get surprise us too.
@@badz1497 yeah, I didn't really put much thought into the years and I knew 09 was the Honda-Mercedes I mean Brawn! HAHA
Mclaren: “ Size zero??? They did it?? “
RedBull: “ Smaller than size zero you expect :) “
Why was Honda wasn’t as good as they are now when with mclaren
@@lohithreddy6629 Politics at Mclaren
@@platosdong1775 Greetings. Would you share more light on the matter?
The only time when smaller is better
@@humbertosouza9013 basically the chassis/aero team at Mclaren had their own agenda and didn’t rly built the car around the engine instead making Honda build the engine to accommodate the car. It impeded the development of a solid size zero engine. Mclaren were a bit of a conservative team and Honda had to compromise in a lot of areas which reduced the potential of that engine. But also Honda did not have the required tech or experience they have today with the bulls.
Honda engineers being pushed by Mercedes engineers and vice-versa is a beautiful thing to witness.
except it wouldnt happen again after this season. it would be Redbulls engineers
@@timp1154 its a mix, some of the key Honda F1 engineers have transferred to RB.
@@Pepe-dq2ib i like the sound of that, i sincerely hope this isnt the beginning of the end for f1. I dont want all the teams to stop for climate change reason.
Edit: i am all for stopping climate change, but i just hope f1 wont die out slowly
@@timp1154 If climate change was real they would limit the number of Cats and Dogs people could own. Meat eating pets are on the rise, as is deforestation to farm meat.
“Redesigned smaller cylinder head, more compact, lower camshaft, changed valve angle”
I’m getting the MP4/4 vibes from it and I like it a lot
Yeah
It's a tragedy that Honda are leaving F1, they have so much to offer the sport!
that 3 years with McLaren was so hard to watch
I don't understand why they leave when they make such a huge impact on the sport
@@jimmy5516 the environmental hippies is why
@@vynnxa6416 Well, no. It's a combination of factors. I think mostly the pandemic. Honda has a history of pulling out of F1 during financial hardship, and it somehow always lines up with them being on the verge of a breakthrough! Many of the engine manufacturers are now pursing electric technology in favor of internal combustion, which I imagine is also a factor.
@@badz1497 I think every team and every engine supplier has its bad years. The good thing that came out of that is that McLaren focused on its other problems during that time, which allowed them to design a great chasis for the last couple of years. Hopefully they will stay competitive.
Ron Dennis was right about size zero, BUT his timing was completely wrong.
At the start of the hybrid era, it was better to focus on power and reliability, even if that carried a weight and packaging penalty.
If Dennis had allowed Honda to focus on power and reliability first, then make the engine more compact, the strategy that Mercedes used, perhaps the hybrid era would have been more competitive, as Red Bull could have moved to Honda power earlier.
With a Honda powerunit at the the same level of Mercedes, Red Bull could have used higher downforce setups, without being destroyed on the straights, this would have pushed Hamilton and Mercedes hard at every race, we saw in 2016 with Rosberg, that Hamilton could be beaten, if extreme pressure was applied. As Red Bull pushed Mercedes, tensions would have arisen, it is easy to be cool Toto, when your car is so much faster, just look at machine-like Ferrari in the 2000s, compared to clown school Ferrari in 2020...
"If Dennis had allowed Honda to focus on power and reliability first, then make the engine more compact, the strategy that Mercedes used, perhaps the hybrid era would have been more competitive, as Red Bull could have moved to Honda power earlier."
I don't see how, given that McLaren had negotiated the exclusive usage of Honda's engine. To be able to supply Red Bull, they'd have to change the contract.
let's get to Saturday already
ikrrrr but i'm also hyped for the intro on friday lol
I’m praying Honda give us a title fight
Keep praying, it seems to work
@@pcdispatch Still working!!!
@@BEstudent And here we are, Max and Red Bull leading both Championships :) :)
Its not a fight anymore
I am a Hong Konger (I am not Chinese) and I love Japan and its people. Thank you Japan for bringing the world so many amazing stuff.
Ya. Including war. Really appreciate that
@@calvin92chin Japan nowadays cannot compare at all to the militaristic empire in ww2...
Including Fukushima and its constant dump of radioactive waste into the ocean since 2011.
@@tonkatoytruck it was a natural disaster (the tsunami) and many innocent lives were lost. Be a decent human being please
@@calvin92chin i think it is time for you to leave 1945 and return to 2021
2021 IS OUR YEAR🦁
We eating good
🤡🤡🤡🤡
Pog
i don't think so Hamiilton well do it again and max battle is for the 2nd place that's sure
Dream on 😂😂😂
That tapered rear end on the new RB does look mighty fine.
I like em chunkey tho
Yup, such a beautiful curve from above the airbox to the differential, the RB pretty much the only car on the grid that has that, all others have shapes interrupting that line
It's so sad that they are pulling out now that they have a great partnership
Surely Red Bull is doing all they can to keep Honda at Red Bull
@@chodagreat7876 If I'm not mistaken Honda have supplied RedBull with some of their current F1 project personnel and a lot of information on facility needs for their new venture in designing and manufacturing of their own power units. It's been a while back that i heard about it on The Race's channel, so i suggest giving it a search. I may be wrong, so feel free to correct me if i am
@@PLZFrosty you are correct. And I wouldn't be surprised if this was just a cheeky move on their part. Think about it. Honda knows they have something good. They push to have an engine freeze. Only way to do that is to have Honda pull out and RB take over. They pull the trigger, move their F1 staff to RB and....nothing is stopping them from coming back to be an engine sponsor (Remember the "TAG" engine) lol. Man if they do that i will be rolling. It would be brilliant.
This sounds like a movie and massive powerplay! Would be amazing to see something like this develop in season 4/5 of the Drive to survive show.
@@chodagreat7876 ikr. Hope that's what's going on. would be an epic story and i can tell my friends you heard it here first lol :P
Japanese engineering is simply brilliant, hope they return to F1 soon
This was honestly one of your best videos ever
Clear, concise and simple to understand yet it s not missing any technical note.
Well done
Yeah, not a 10min ramble to make vid longer for ads
Toyota also ran into reliability problems with their engines at one point because their technical director Mike Gascoigne demanded engine chief Luca Marmorini make the block and core architecture as small and light as possible. The car needs to be a complete package, so there has to be some give and take on the engineering side. :)
Sucks that Honda is leaving F1, hopefully the nex-gen engine regulations will tempt them back, especially if carbon-neutral biofuels are part of future F1.
We are going to have a title fight to watch ladies and gentlemen. This will be the first f1 season I've been interested in since the advent of hybrid engines.
'17 and esp '18 were competitive but Seb fucked it up himself 3x a 2x had a bad luck.
Red Bull was fast in '18 too, but bad reliability
@ fck off with this bs...in '17 Ferrari had huge reliability issues, Seb made viewer mistakes than Hamilton that season. In '18 yes Seb fcked it up in Germany but he was still ahead at this point, after the summer break Ferrari literally had a slower car and by the end of the season Ferrari was third fastest after Redbull. Ferrari always lacked in developement throughout the season, while Mercedes closed the gap within one weekend and kept developing to always become the clearly faster car by the end of the season. '18 and '17 was not all Seb's fault and the blame for '17 was more on the Ferrari's side for sure.
Yuki can potentially spoil Gasly's party .. he was very very fast in F2 ... looks like he has adapted very quickly , he was ripping during testing
2 DAYS TO FRIDAY 🇳🇱🇬🇭 😎😎
3 days
@@adam79634 yeah 😀😅
@@slavsquatter1326 ITS FRIDAY THEEEN ITS SATURDAY SUNDAY WHAAAT!!! 😁 and then what did the team say its okay mate? Or chill mate?
@@slavsquatter1326 we can spam this on the first video f1 posts n friday 😀 that would be hilarious
Umm.. so why the flags
No wonder when watching the Red Bull car's back, it reminded me of the Mclarens!
Didn't know that it was more technical rather than what meets the eye.
This is possibly one of the best videos explaining the technicalities of a F1 car.
Based on reports, the Mercedes engine still has the higher BHP, improved cooling & better ERS development based on gains made this year but I really hope Honda face no major surprising issues. A three-day test may not be representative on reliability.
Could you link those reports?
It would be great of you could link those
Reports for the boys
@@laran110 I've tried to link it twice now & they keep getting deleted. Google search "Mercedes expects a more powerful engine in 2021" and then go to Medium for a wrap up.
For more in depth, search "Mercedes: è di Sassi la combustione del motore 2021" and then click on Motorsport's article.
@@glenrobinson10 Thanks!
Every journalist that covers American auto racing should be required to watch this video.
These are the things long time or even passionate race fans want to know.
THANK YOU 👍🏁👍🏁
Respect for the fast and quality work. I did see a small typo that doesnt do any harm at @1:04. Love the content as always
Thanks. We'd love to say this was actually a competition and there was a prize for whoever spotted them first (as there are actually 2 😬), but unfortunately it was just us letting a couple slip through the net. Sorry!
@@WeAreTheRace Haha thanks for the thought. We're both winners as i have yet to dislike the content and look forward to it, and you guys hitting 500k subscribers with great video's and content in a astonishing time
I am a huge Honda fan, I like the Merc but when it comes to comfort Honda outsmarts the Merc. 👍👍
Plot twist, it's a turbo k series all along.
V6 engine is J series.
underrated comment
F1 civic loool
@@Nanorisk isnt it a 1.6L, maybe it's closer to a B series 😂
@@Christopher-ye3yk Rover also.(british car) My first car was Rover 200 with K series. Headgasket was shit tho. Lots of fixing but at least civic had the same layout and parts, so it was easier to find parts in a country where maybe 20 Rovers roamed the roads
The definition of learning by doing, innovation takes perseverance. Hoping for a competitive season.
Last time I was this early Williams could actually fight for P18
Im just glad we have (at least) 1 Japanese engine manufacturer on the grid. We can only hope they come back soon!
One of the "tricks" Honda is using is burning extra fuel in order to recover more energy while slowing down. This should mean their ERS doesn't run out of steam on long straights anymore and can be deployed more often without running out of energy on longer laps.
In short more power more of the time.
Isnt't there a strict limit on the amount of fuel allowed to burn when off-throttle? I think this was put in place to ban any form of blown diffuser.
@@zwamman not sure about that. But the story is that the Honda engine is efficient enough to do with less fuel so they have a little to spare which they use to generate more energy to flow to the batteries. So let's say they use some of the energy, this the battery is at 60%. In that scenario they add some fuel to generate energy to use during the next acceleration or on the straight.
Post 2021 (13 Feb 2022 at time of this posting) looking back the Honda power units (PU) was indeed very reliable. Honda it seems have not only built a motor that rivals Mercedes in power, it is proven to be more compact and arguably more durable.
Christian Horner even said had it not been for the high speed shunt by Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen in the British GP damaging the Honda PU, Red Bull would not have needed any more PU above the allocated 3 units.
Mercedes on the other hand had to take extra PU's as they decided their PU's were degrading and bleeding more hp's than they are comfortable with against what is also equally ageing Honda PU's.
Checo would have been looking at a step up PU and would no doubt have been shocked to see the size. It would be like seeing an ipod for the first time.
God I hope they come back in 2025 🤞🏻
Well.... Qualification says it all. Both Red Bull and Alpha Tauri did really well 👍🏽
Let’s see how the race goes today 🤞
They just wanted Yuki to have great engine
Thanks for sharing, that's amazing and only real engineers and true car enthusiasts understand and appreciate it. This also will have implications for Honda products and maybe a Honda hyper car and replace Honda V10 hyper car development. May also affect NSX.
For Honda to leave with a championship will be a hugely emotional affair. So much pride if they do win after almost getting from F1.
Best of luck for Max and Sergio this year!
F1 has always been more exciting with Honda in the mix! Let's hope they are just taking a short vacation and come back stronger than ever.
I was a bit confused at the start when you said “Mercedes finally challenge for the Formula 1 title.” They’ve been doing that for 7 years. 😂
He actually said "challenged", but yeah, even the captions say "challenge" lol
I've been hoping that there would be a true competitor to Merc for a few years now. This gives me optimism.
Man how I'd love the "GP2 engine" to win the championship the same year Alonso returns to F1.
haha me as well 😅
why the trolling for Alonso? it was a GP2 level engine back at their time with McLaren
@Silence Dogood Alonso is a racer, not an engineer. are you saying Verstappen helped Honda in making this new engine?
@Silence Dogood It's why he couldn't get a Honda engine for INDY.
@@badz1497 The driver's job is to help tune the engine; thats what FP sessions and Testing are for.
Vtec Just Kicked In Yo...
We might get a competitive season but I still think Mercedes AMG is the team to beat.....they still got #44
V10s went, I went. F1 died for me, was a mad fan for 20 years. Peak enjoyment late 80s early 90s.
Switching to honda might be the single best decision redbull has ever made in a last 10 years
Your backside man. Talk kak here, Yesis
Indeed
Those F1 engineers are so clever that they even worked out how to squeeze an extra S into 'redesigned' and an extra C into 'cylinder'!
Meanwhile at Ferrari: 'is the new fuel supply now smaller than size zero?'
Would be good if this actually had video or graphics of the engine vs just voiceover over general clips.
Too bad honda is leaving just when it looks like they had closed the gap to Merc
Engine development is frozen tho until 2025
Really wish Honda wasn't leaving f1. Always exciting to have more engine manufacturers in the sport.
On the Engine side, Mercedes is a step ahead. As i watched the preseason test, none of merc drivers go to 8th gear even in straights with Drs open, which shows they were using extremely low power engine modes. I believe there will be a minor discrepancy between Honda and Mercedes left.
But on the chassis/aero side, It seems redbull is in a better place.
All in all, W12 is probably a nervous car but fast as always. And RB16B look much planted and extremely closer.
More interested to see where Ferrari is power wise
Kudos to Honda for making a stunning comeback in terms of reliability and power output in its PU.
If this year's PU is able to be bang for the buck as compared to the latest spec Merc PU, it would be a tremendous achievement before leaving the sport.
So it's fast *and* sounds good? What more do we need?
Blown diffusers
Scott sounds like he's getting over a cold. Top video as always guys 👌🏻
Inb4 Mercedes 1-2 every race
Motorcycle technology at Honda is incredible. I have no doubt application of it to it’s formula one program will be a success.
If only McLaren hadn’t been so demanding at the start and given Honda time
Not only that but that car was also awful, they just kept blaming Honda
@@DavidJones-iz5zv More specifically Alonso blaming Honda, very publicly.
RB are fast for this weekend. Honda has huge engine R&D from its MotoGP bikes as well. Honda have said that it is only in racing, to train their engineers to a higher level.
Honda gonna win the world championship then dip like rosberg did
I would rather have Japanese engineering than German engineering, just like Toto said am not worried about renault's engine but more worried about Honda, bring on 2022 !
what's still usefull, dont let it go to waste 🙂
It wasn't actually Honda who came up with the "size zero" concept, it was McLarens' aero director Peter Prodromou, who worked alongside Adrian Newey, the inspiration for his implementation of the concept for the MP4-30 at the time. This of course pushed the Honda PU to the absolute limit in terms of cooling and made their life and development extremely difficult. Naturally that was just one of many reasons why they failed to make a decent engine in their first 2-3 years of their comeback, but I personally think it was one of the bigger topics at the time (Red Bull Renault in 2014 had similar cooling issues due to tight packaging).
Last time I was this early Sebastian Vettel was the world champion
I know pre-season testing means nothing but... in 2015 what we saw was what we got and pretty much has been since for most teams except Ferrari. Even when Merc hasn't been runaway favorites, they've been strong and RB has always seemed a step behind. Now they look a bit closer I do believe we will have a fight on our hands. Bring it on.
I'm not convinced the changes are enough to outweigh Mercedes. Do we really think an outgoing engine supplier who hasn't come close to dethroning Mercedes of a world title for two years in a row will suddenly come up with an engine that will catch Mercedes? I don't. But that's just me.
If anyone can its Honda
@@DavidJones-iz5zv Is it though? Honda haven't won a world championship in this century. Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault all have - multiple times over.
4:37 - 34°C represent possibility the hottest conditions throughout all the year!
Portugal in late April: You're correct.... possibility! 😄👍
scott you sound husky... and beautiful
Wow. So many shots of that new engine!
When Japanese want to make something really good , trust them they will !
@3:59 either his boss told him he's worthless or he's extremely passionate about his Work. Knowing Honda Im leaning towards the latter
The tiny engine that could
I read they also changed the deck height of the block which would mean shorter connecting rods. Valve angle angle changes can lead ti huge increases in power by themselves.
The question I have is what theyre doing with their static and dynamic compression. I would think high static but fairly low dynamic to take advantage of the turbo and MGU-H
2030 Redbull are looking to be competitive with Mercedes after Russell's 8th title in a row.
GoatseObama If it turns out that Mercedes dominates the 2021 season from race 1 on then there's a change that Mercedes has an all new driver line up for 2022 with Verstappen and Russell as teammates. If so, i don't see Russell win 8th in a row.
Im a realy big max suporter and ive never felt he could win the titel, but this has changed this year and i realy think he can do it this year
Same if there was any season he had a chance it's the upcoming one
While you make a valid analysis of RBR and Honda, You have downplayed Mercedes power in every video you make since the test ended. I will not be quick to conclude on this but it has many people deluded that RBR have already won the championship. We can only hope that RBR give us a nice show this year competing with Mercedes. But we shouldn't go to an extreme capitalizing on Mercedes testing weaknesses to conclude that RBR have already won.
Niiiice very informative on the power unit side of things because thats where we F1 fans are interested in and not always about aero. Hope you can do an indepth power unit on ferrari and renault... 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Maybe we will see how “good” Hamilton really was. Lol
Verstappen and Perez will probably be levels ahead.
I think Hamilton has proven how good he really IS. Sure, Mercedes team has the best car, but that’s NOT why Hamilton has dominated.
RbNetEngr
To be fair, Han is a talented driver. But he has the perfect BETA teammate and a Car and Team leaps and bounds better than everyone else.
So yea, I’d argue he is a bit overrated and lucky in that regard.
I'm only a casual motorsport watcher, and appreciate any inputs to my questions:
1. why is Honda quiting F1 just when its engine program is starting to come to fruition? And what will happen to its program when it leaves? Simply shelf it?? And who will supply Red Bull now?
2. The fact that only Honda, with massive R&D, is only able to come close to competing agaist the Merc engine shows how ahead of the game Merc has been.
3. Looking back, McLaren made a huge strategic mistake in allowing Aloson to so publicly dictate their relationship with Honda so negatively. Sometimes drivers should drives and not try to be engineers and politicians. But i guess Red Bull should thank Aloson for his public opinions about Honda, but honestly I did not expect McLaren to ditch Honda becuse of their history together.
Alonso always has had a big mouth ...
I'm early again so i just say s🅱️inalla
Noticed this year on redbull flying laps at bahrain the exhaust is still pumping boat loads of air off throttle while downshifting, the sound wasn't there last year.
So if the exhaust was still active off throttle the MGU-H would still be scavenging energy
Mercedes always performs better when they're on the backfoot. Remember when ferrari were spanking them with that "engine" in 2019? Incredibly mercedes managed to build legal engine that run rings around that ferrari engine. I'm expecting the same this year.
I'm sad to see Honda go especially after seeing them finally finding their stride with Red Bull.
Stop it don’t give me hope
F1 engines have camshafts? I thought they'd replaced those with common rail/pneumatic valves 2-3 decades ago.