How an awful F1 project went on to win a championship
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- Опубликовано: 1 янв 2022
- Honda's F1 engine project was going so badly with McLaren from 2015-17 that the manufacturer seriously considered giving up and walking away rather than trying to put it right. In this video Scott Mitchell explains how that outcome was prevented, and the key steps on the journey that led to the Japanese manufacturer claiming its first world title win since 1991 with Ayrton Senna
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Honda leaving when they are actually doing well in F1.
*Traditions*
Tbh 2003-2008 didnt go well
@@mobyhuge4346 IIRC they designed the 2009 chassis, which Brawn took over
Funny is just yesterday reports came out that said Honda will continue sending and preparing their engines for RB till 2025.
I read online that Honda is extending it's contract with Red Bull until 2025, then Red Bull will take over the engine manufacturing.
Hello firebolt. I'm not even mad I see you in the comments. I just hate the RUclipsrs who comment only for self promotion
The Honda engine was amazing, Christian Horner did say if max didn’t crash in Silverstone, he wouldn’t have taken an engine penalty for the whole season. If we compare the reliability to the Mercedes’, Honda was a step ahead.
The same for Checo with the collision in Hungary. Didn't AlphaTauri complete the season without engine-related grid penalties?
Nah it was mainly Mercedes using Valtteri’s car as a test bed with all those engine penalties. But yeah, the Honda PU (ironically) was amazingly reliable
@@Firebolt1729 that just isn’t true. Red bull would have done the same if they had to.
Given that most times Horner was near a mic in 2021 he was spouting utter nonsense, I'll take that with a large pinch of salt.
reliability of mercedes is ok i think rater.. is just they play with the reliability... on paper mb is powerfuller then honda. only to manage those whole races they downgrade the engine a bit and per race mayby bit smaller. with the new ice they just simply can put on the power greatly.... probably the next season they show of, and probably take more ice penaltys on paper is unneccesary is nothing about reliabilty.....
From the worst engine for reliability to the best engine for reliability. Such an amazing end for Honda in the Hybrid era.
Honestly, the Honda Hybrid era is like the ultimate storyline of a shonen manga series, it just doesn't get more dramatic than that.
@@apophisstr6719 well, still only second best, the "championship" Was handed-over entertainment mangement
@@Mrcl5902 salty
@@Mrcl5902 Oh yeeeahhhh and everybody seems to forget that the guy who crashed and therefore forced the Safety Car to get out was in a team that is linked to Mercedes...So who knows if Mercedes didn't ask the Williams to try compromised the end of the race to make sure Hamilton gets the WDC...
@Marcel H oh yeah, handed over to the guy that won more races, arrived even to the last race and was second when safety car appeared, lets not forget Bottas playing bowling with him and his teammate and Hamilton being penalized for taking him out of the race in Silverstone.
In 2017, I was saying that Honda should just quit, despite wanting them to do well.
Now in 2022, I'm wishing they would stay, wanting them to keep doing well.
At least Honda lives on in f1 through the red bull powertrains project that they’ll help support for the next couple of years
It appears that Red Bull and Honda have extended their agreement for Honda to continue producing the power units for Red Bull in Japan until 2025. Previously, Honda was only going to do this until 2023, and Red Bull Powertrains was going to take over PU production.
I vote Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Toyota, and 3 American motors
@Arman Shahbaz Dodge and Ford is 75% Chevrolet
@Arman Shahbaz I was talking about Non-Honda Japanese Motors and 3 American motors is F1 and MotoGP
I wonder what’s it’s like to have someone believe in you the way Franz Tost did for Honda… (I cry)
franz tost is a goat for that
He's the coolest guy ever!
@@brandoneverett4953 yeah franz tost is a fucking genius when its about finding potential
@damarfadlan9251homo menjijikan 😂😅 ibu lu hijau, bapak lu hitam
Very sad to see them leave - they are by far the strongest Japanese manufacturer in F1 history
Well yeah, Yamaha basically just rebadged Judd during their V10 era (Yamaha's V8/V12 F1 engine are actually designed in-house), while Toyota failed to even win a race despite massive budget, Subaru literally just put their name on top of Motori Moderni flat-12 engine…
@@tedarmavan To be fair current Toyota might be able to outclass merc or honda, they are consistenly winning in WEC 24H of LeMans
@@nonameyet2205 totally - plus the last 3 drivers' championships in WRC.
What I was basically saying is that for the most part, Honda = Japan in F1
@@nonameyet2205 Yeah, but they didn't have porsche and audi to compete since 2018, toyota was the only one in the hybrid class.
Maybe one of the strongest Non-European engine manufacturer in F1.
“GP2 engine” to winning champions… that is an underdog story we all craved.
From "GP2 engine" to nearly overpower Mercedes.
@@Kris_ruvd Yeah man they were gifted 22 race results, get over it already lol
@@Kris_ruvd was Silverstone a gift to Lewis?
@@robertkoeck3801 two idiots racing, one won't yield and the other missed the apex. 10 sec penalty for a racing incident. So again telll me how was it gifted?
@@Montross because the only person on this planet capable of beating him taken out. No competition. Victory gifted. 10 second penalty nothing to make up.
That follow-up collaboration with HondaJet to design the blades inside the turbocharger is actually genius, drawing from HondaJet's expertise of designing turbines. Granted it's a significantly scaled down version of what they usually work on, but still a turbine.
The fact that the HondaJet engineers took one look at the MGU-H shaft and were like, "lol, how did this not blow up immediately?" is also hilarious
The best engineers from the automotive division couldn't crack it, but the issue was plainly obvious to the aerospace engineers. Just goes to show how valuable their input was, but also how little relevance the tech had to the rest of the automotive industry.
@@RIKUMIU123 "Road relevance" has always been at best an excuse and at worst complete cope for companies like Pirelli to advertise their garbage and for F1 to attempt to bring in viewers. Mercedes might claim their hybrid developments trickle down into their road cars, but the use cases are so wildly different, it's easier for car manufacturers to simply design a completely different system.
@@Kiinako road relevance was the case 5-10 years ago before we decided hybrid is just as shit as IC engines in terms of carbon footprint and therefore skip it entirely to full electric.
Don't forget Honda's Jet expertise is a collaboration with GE, and they have been building jet engines since the 1940's, and turbo superchargers since the 1930's .
Didn’t know about this, so basically their turbo is a mini jet engine turbine. Brilliant
Honda’s success with RBR is a real feel good story, and also a read showcase of Honda’s engineering capabilities. Wish that success could have continued.
Mercedes quite clearly had the faster engine this season. Mercedes is just plain better than Honda.
Aye, they finally put together a great power train just to leave the sport; sad to see Honda leave. At least RBR has made the necessary moves to try and continue with that success on the platform that they developed with Honda.
@@venkatakrishnaiahpaladugu9133 Ironically without Honda, Mercedes probably wouldn’t exist today
@@Firebolt1729 Wdym?
@@stellar6643 Mercedes bought Brawn GP, which was originally a Honda works team
I’m sad to see them leave for several reasons:
- more engine manufacturers means more diversity which leads to more opportunity.
- more competition which pushes everyone to up their game and with this salary cap and new regulations, there are less excuses than before.
Their legacy will live on! Some sources say that they will continue to prepare the engines until 2023 for Red Bull Powertrains, then in 2024 RB will completely take over the manufacturing/management process.
There is an engine development freeze in place from now until 2025, so the only changes we'll see is for reliability reasons.
i agree to your 2nd point but one i don't get. one goes away and anther one comes in. how do the manufacturers increase ?
Good news: they’re returning with Aston Martin for 2026
That Tarantino introduction of Franz Tost made my day, love it!
I can’t express how much I loved the 2021 Honda engine sound. The turbo is so loud and I love it!
Best hybrid engine sound!
Honda admit power unit has many flaw but mclren doesnt admit they have also flaw on chasis
"Franz Tost (5:09) said that drivers shouldn't be paid more than 10 million a year, and that drivers should just be happy to drive the car. Your thoughts Lewis?"
"Who said that?"
"Franz Tost" 5:09
"Who's he?"
"Everbody knows that the team principle of Alpha Tauri is Fa-ronzz Tossst." 5:09
Hi Ian Blair.
@@purwantiallan5089 hi
Hope you're having a good day mate
Massive thank you to Franz Tost for trusting Honda when they're at their lowest
It’s a shame they left F1 but it’s a lesson to us all on many levels. Even after all the disappointments and failures they dusted themselves off took a deep breath and tried harder.
That's actually a valuable life lesson
Well said
The split between Honda and McLaren after 2017 was the best thing that could have happened for both McLaren and Honda.
McLaren struggled year afterwards as well, finally facing that it wasn't only the engine, but also the operation of the team that was wrong and needed change in order to be succesful (the change which did happen perfectly under Brown and Seidl).
And Honda getting their restart, and the opportunity from RedBull (Talking about Redbull here as both ToroRosso-RedBullRacing) to develop in a way Honda found necessary, and not the customer-team
Gotta love this story of Honda and the unsung hero Franz Tost with Torro Rosso... Pity they had to leave when things were getting much better. Impressive progress with relations and development.
As Chris Horner said "Maybe one day they will be back".
What would happen if Red Bull got those engines if it wasn't for Ron Dennis vetoed for it....
This year's Honda sounded fantastic, didn't it, the downshifts were music!
2019 much better roaring
@@samomalo8041 yeah the best of the turbo hybrid era...
The Renault engine too sounded amazing this year! I think the 2019 one sounds far better
@@lemonmaster8933 yes. 2014 also has best sounding engine.
@@samomalo8041 hi samo malo.
Watching the "Behind the Scenes" Video from the last GP really shows the appreciation Honda and RedBull developed. It's a shame that they leave :(
Honda, the Fernando Alonso of engine manufacturers
Worst decisions at the wrong time to make a decision
🤣🤣🤣
That's actually a really good analogy
GP2 Driver! Nah Alonso is great but that is a good analogy.
Doing awful then winning a championship on their final season..
*EL PLAN!?*
I remember when Honda was announced as the engine supplier fir Toro Rosso. Many people thought this was thr wrong more and would make the team a backmarker.
I thought it was genius as it gave the engine supplier a year of development and there was significantly less pressure.
It payed off in the end
It was a bit like LH from mclaren to Mercedes
"pressured early by McLaren" is all you need to know who to blame for the failure.
Yeah mclaren hit peak toxicity around 2016 i think, seems like they too are heading in the right direction now though
I wouldn't say it's all McLaren's fault, I mean Honda didn't even give McLaren a bit of information on the Power Unit's development and they were even prohibited to get access at Honda's HQ in Japan, but what's most to blame is Ron Dennis corporate movements during his final years at McLaren
If you stopped watching the video at that point, sure.
@@davidjudd564 I wonder why Red Bull/Torro Rosso got all that access then
@@jaysekhon8014 Quoting a video that explains Honda's progress throughout the Hybrid era, "they lacked communication and collaboration, Toro Rosso on the other hand were open on their Internal Workings and Honda acknowledged this by showing key members of the research program at Sakura" and to add my own reason to this...
Remember Lewis' arrogant comment during interview last year? "Who the hell is Franz Tost?"
Ironic isnt it?
Lewis is a terrible human being
@@spac18 he was quick to complain in 09, when his car was shit
Ofcourse he knows him but his altitude was so because Franz is from a little team is nothing important enough.
@@onsterfelijke Franz is probably one of the most respected people on the grid, the results he has got with torro Rosso are amazing, also the young drivers he has groomed.
Tarantino intro to Franz Tost is the kind of touch that make great videos outstanding! Also good job as ever, you guys nailed RUclips this past year, definitely my favorite channel.
may be this will help Hamilton remember who Franz Tost is..
Totally agree with you. The Inglorious Bastards intro is a testimony to the quality of the content.
@@mrwinstonwolfe ThAt was amazing 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Man, I almost spit out my drink when that popped up. XD
I love the Inglorious Basterds-esque introduction for Franz Tost.
Honda, "The Power of Dreams".The team that saw no light but worked hard and reached it's dreams. Very sad to see them leave...
It's sad to see them go, but what a great turn of event that was. A redemption years in the making. At least they're walking away on a high, with a title to their name
On a high, a handed-over title. Lol
@@Mrcl5902 comments like yours make me so happy. Your tears give me warmth and joy😁
@@Mrcl5902 We’re gonna need a safety car with all your tears
Would be nice to see what the hierarchy was in the late 80s early 90s when Honda were at their absolute f1 engine peak
It’s just massively impressive that they were thrown early into development just to play catch up with the rest of the other manufacturers, pivoted from a poor start and built arguably the best racing engine in that time frame. Yes, I’m aware Mercedes’ had a faster engine but I don’t think it deserves a higher praise because they didn’t have the reliability of the Honda power unit. Mercedes had to take a few more engines to run it to the end strongly whereas Honda PU was running strong all year without the drop off. Honda is one of the greatest engine builders.
from small engines on your lawn mower all the way up to f1 engines. it’s an amazing feat
@@brandoneverett4953 anyone who doubts their ability to make engines is an ignorant fool. i'm really happy as a big honda fan to see them finally get given the credit they're due. i can't think of a single other manufacturer that has more experience in engine manufacturing than honda. small all-purpose engines? check. two-stroke and four-stroke engines? check. boat engines? check. lawnmower engines? check. motorbike engines? check. single-cylinder, v-twin, straight-twin, v3, inline-four, v4, inline-six bike engines? check. motogp engines? check. car engines? check. race car engines? check. v6, v8, v10, v12 f1 engines? check. winning f1 engines? check. indycar engines? check. winning indycar engines? check. naturally-aspirated engines? check. turbo engines? check. airplane jet engines? check. robots? also check.
only bmw and suzuki have had experience and success making engines both with cars and with bikes, and only bmw has been making engines for longer and has also made airplane piston engines and jet engines. and yet they're not as successful in expanding as much as honda.
Honda was the only manufacturer to build a engine capable taking head to head battle with Mercedes in the Hybrid Era.
Honda will always be one of the legendary manufacturers of F1 and motorsport in general. Imagine starting behind by over two years in an immensely complex engine and power train formula, and then catching and arguably overhauling the leader in your final year. Simply amazing awe-inspiring stuff. All fans of F1 and motorsport need to thank Honda for producing such an incredible engine. There's no way Red Bull or Max could have achieved this with a Renault, and thus giving us such a spectacular season.
Honda finally figures out how to win
Honda: *aight imma head out now*
Rosberging
The Hugo Stiglitz guitar riff can never, ever be ignored now whenever Franz Tost appears. Gold 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I remember how much criticism Honda were under when they announced they were leaving second time round. But the board probably made that decision after 2018, when the Toro Rosso venture wasn’t so great, then you had the Mclaren disaster before that. However, one can’t deny the massive improvement they made under their partnership with Red Bull, that clip of the Honda guy crying after Max won in Austria back in 2019, is always so heartening. Sad to see them go after they finally found success, but what a way to say sayonara, a drivers title to their name. As Mr Horner said himself “Maybe they’ll be back”.
Shame Honda left Red Bull again after 2021.
The video forgot to thank masi for the championship though
@@JMPZOFACEPROJECT you still crying hahahahahahahahaha
@@JMPZOFACEPROJECT dude wtf. Its over.
@@JMPZOFACEPROJECT Mercedes fans have no gratitude at all .
They should thank Masi and FIA for protecting merc & their Golden son Hamilton at Bahrain , Silverstone , Hungary , Red flags , silly penalties for illegal car in brazil and even for unfair advantage in lap 1 of final race . Sir Toto abusing everyone on radio and still no warning .
Don't dump your Daddy Fia just because of a safety car .
As a die - hard Honda fan all my life, winning this title in the (technically) final official year of participation meant the absolute world to me, including all the wins and podiums along the way. Im proud of how far they came from the depths of F1 hell with Mclaren, to resurrecting themselves with Toro Rosso (4th place for Pierre in Bahrain!!) and subsequently Red Bull(I went crazy when Max came back from 7th to pass Leclerc in Austria) , to this year being a close 2nd best engine on the grid with Mercedes AND with superior reliability. I feel so vindicated by the incredible performances theyve shown the F1 world and while I hate that theyre leaving just as things have gotten great, Im sure theyll be back at some point. Soichiro san will rest easy....
Exactly the same here pal. Best ending posible for this moment of history. Lets wait for Honda to come back soon ;)
Absolutely spot on.
I'm coming at it from the same angle - as a die hard Honda fan - and I'm so incredibly proud of them. Was literally in terms of joy with a massive smile on my face every time I thought about it in the week after that last race.
The only thing you didn't mention is... They also achieved it all in a far shorter time period than any of the other engine manufacturers!!! (because they came in after the hybrid era had already started.)
So basically, they came in late, with no relevant experience and managed to develop their way to the top in a shorter time than any of the others.
It might have been painful, but that's nothing short of absolutely phenomenal.
It just doesn't get the recognition it deserves.
I am very impressed by Honda's sportsmanship. Both now and at the time when they left as a constructor they kept supporting the team after the corporate decision was made and assured a good take-over to give the successors the best of chances.
An unbelievable turnaround! I was there, in Austria, for Honda's first win. Arigato!
I’m going to miss the Honda name in Formula 1. I know they continue, but there engines will be called RedBull, instead of Honda engines. I hope they will come back again.
redbull mugen
You sound like an NPC providing exposition 😅
They will come back eventually, don't worry. That's just what Honda does haha it's the third time already.
They will be back in one way or another
They will comeback again
What's important to note is with McLaren's years with Renault, things didn't change much either.
It changed a lot, not in 2018 but yes in 2019. P4 then P3 in 2020
@@rcl998 it took them a while tho meanwhile Red Bull was fighting at the front
It did. The engine stopped exploding and they could fight for points.
So, Ron Dennis basically mastercard-lola'd Honda-McLaren partnership? How fitting.
Pretty much attempted a shotgun wedding to regain lost glory which Zak Brown promptly reversed.
Mclaren took the brunt of Honda's going pains and Red Bull reaped the rewards. Now Red Bull has its own Powertrain division and Mclaren is Merc's bitch
Succinctly put :D
For the large part true however these growing pains where partially due to McLaren's headstrong approach, resulting in poor cooperation, according to Honda.
@@Basil-Fawlty I heard they focused too much on the "Size Zero Concept" by Ron Dennis - fitting the engine to the car - rather than Red Bull's approach - fitting the car to the engine.
It’s common knowledge that in reality, the general design flaws with McLaren were because of Mclaren themselves. 0 comprises with regards to their car design clearly didn’t work at all. Every car they produced lacked performance regardless of engine power. I specifically remember watching the car year after year being unstable and a dog to drive.
@@1Three8Fiver mcclown is the reason why they struggled
if you told me in 2015-17 that Honda would win a WDC I'd laugh in your face
It takes a partnership with a Solid team such as REDBULL.
And technical regulation changes at the beginning of the season To the Floor that Benefit High Rake Cars. (Please find a legitimate reason The FIA did this before you respond) Safety?(Nope) Dirty Air?(Nope)
And Banning High Output Engine Modes in the middle of 2020 season which leveled the playing field for Honda who had not figured out how to do this without reliability issues!
And Banning DAS even thought it broke no Technical regulations (which is why it was allowed in 2020 season)
Two protagonist that have been dominating the last two or 3 season And Technical regulations in beginning of season that ONLY Benefit one team. ( I gave examples above)
This is why Honda have a World championship this Season!
It's a pity Honda aren't keeping their foot in the door by having Mugen build and tune the engines instead of selling it to RB.
It's more than sad to see Honda leave F1. Honda have done the work, are now well placed to dominate F1.
honda just extended the engine development and manufacturing till 2025 with Red Bull
*Along with Red Bull.* Honda aren’t a works team you know...
@@bobi9888 Is it official?
@@bobi9888 yes. Maybe Hendrick Motorsports might use Honda.
Wouldn't be suprised to see (Name)-Honda.. Like in the mugen days.
Your editor deserves a raise just for that intro to Tost.
In the end, they also had the best sounding engine.
Renault sounds good to
Renault’s sounds better imo
@@Firebolt1729 The Honda of 2019-2020 sounds the best IMO. The sound changed dramatically in 2021 for some reason, it now sounded more like the other engines of Ferrari and Merc. The Renault in 2021 sounds very good as well, but the 2019-2020 Honda engines, especially when downshifting sounded amazing (in comparison to all other engines ofc, they still sound "terrible" compared to the previous NA V8s and V10s of any engine manufacturer).
That ending, with Max giving an gift for them, is so nice. Where can I find this footage complete?
Amazing how Red Bull made it work ! Verstappen reminds me of Senna and those glory days .
thanks for the video. it helps understand why this championship was so immensely important for honda and it's lovely to see that they can atleast leave on a high note.
Great story! I love to see how two totally different cultures can work together and manage to turn around like this. I'm glad Yamamoto San will stay with Red Bull Powerplant 🙏😀
I'm heartbroken they decided to leave but I will support them FOREVER!!! THE POWER OF DREAMS!
10:39 - Instead of the hiragana saying 'Arigatou (ありがとう)', it kinda looks like 'Arigatotsu (ありがとつ)' lol. I think they left off the last dash above the character for 'u (う)'.
I was about to say the same
nothing stopping honda from extending beyond 22 Honda and Red Bull announced a joint partnership that will last throughout the 2022 season, where Red Bull Powertrains will use the intellectual property of Honda's power units, and Honda will build the 2022 engines and provide trackside and race operation support throughout the season
I love these videos. This is so much better than anything you guys did at the previous publication beginning with A.
and there's something I don't really see anyone talking about, if it wasn't for some other teams playing bowling on the track, they could've gone the whole season without an engine penalty.
As I think Alpha Tauri did.
All that work and then just ditching it. Shame.
quit while you'r ahead, and you'll forever be a legend
@@wp12mv -Nico Roseberg 2016
5:07 this moment was amazing. i literally screamed whoa at the screen. 7:37 I would have never believed that Honda Jet technology helped drive Honda F1 and Type R innovation. 9:23 was an amazing shot
It's sad to see Honda leave F1, they've shown that they're a great engine manufacturer and great people to work with. They were vital to Max winning the title, that would never have happened with Renault/Alpine.
It’s a bit unfair to say McLaren’s poor performance was Honda’s fault…
The 2015/2016 car was just too slow. The proof came the year after, when they switch to Renault power, and scored even less points…
That's not proof, that just shows that they messed up the 2018 car, which is exactly what they did and Boullier left the team.
The packaging was horrid back then. I'm a McLaren fan and I admit they messed up big time. That 2018 car was the kicking on the backside they desperately needed.
@@AntoniusTyas The chassis was great from 2015-2017
McLaren was also to blame. They forced Honda to come and they never even came to visit Honda in Japan in any development.
2016 wasn’t bad. There were flashes of potential in 2017 on tracks like Hungary but in 2018 mclaren truly messed up
Ive been thinking this whole season........I wonder what McLaren must be thinking watching Honda take the fight to Mercedes
I swear I remember hearing at some point that it wouldn’t have mattered as the Mclaren chassis still isn’t up there yet
Great video. Keep up the good work.
Our family has always driven Honda’s - and I drive Civics from the day I got my drivers license. 79-83-96-2007-2017. Super proud!! XD
Civics, 1981 and 1999.
sad no one called out that it was Ron Dennis, Eric Boullier and the other leaders at McLaren at the time who dictated failing terms to Honda… just calling out McLaren as a whole is a bit cheap when named names get credit for the revival. It’s telling they’re all gone now and McLaren is finally seeing success again
Ron already out from McLaren at that time. And till this day, he's the only person from McLaren that believe Honda will win.
If it wasnt for the Silverstone Crash Max would have done the Season with only 3 Engines, wich is insane in a Reliability standpoint
It's helped when you learn that Honda pursues reliability first, and then performance. So all they needed to do is to crank up the horsepower needed
It always struck me as crazy that McLaren pursued this size zero philosophy. Surely your priority would be reliability, then power, then packaging?
yeah with how they pushed for Honda to enter so early and then demanding this size zero philosophy is so misguided. Mclaren was still under Ron Dennis back then no ?
@@reynaldiwidjaja277 Yep, Ron was still in charge at the time.
Toro Rosso's and especially Tost's role were instrumenral, and it reminds me of this exchange between Hamilton and the interviewer in an interview about the salary cap:
H:"Who said that?"
I:"Franz Tost"
H:"Who's that?"
People you barely know about are going to have an influence on you
21 wins out of 22 in 2023 culminating in the most dominant F1 season to date. How times have changed.
I was so happy to see the hard work they had been doing since 2015 finally start paying off in 2020. The championship with max is just the icing on cake. Its sad to see honda go but i have felling they might return again in the next big shake up of the regulations
Honda just flexed it’s Japanese power and left like a boss.
Gotta love the Japanese car makers 🤘
Not nearly as impressive as Mercedes.
@@arnoldmbuthia2687 I think more impressive, to come to the game from the back of the grid to beating mercedes. when mercedes probably had 4 to 5 years longer engine development.
@@arnoldmbuthia2687 Mercedes team was brought from Brawn GP which was originaly the Honda racing F1 team
@@arnoldmbuthia2687 Ironically the Mercedes team was once Honda’s...
@@arnoldmbuthia2687 Merc used a far larger amount of engines just to boost the power.
That Tarantino, Inglorious Basterds nod did not go unnoticed and is much appreciated. Lovely work there!
You never mentioned the benefits gained from their partnership with Ilmor in helping them with development. This moved them forward also.
Honestly Hondas glow up was amazing to watch, quite brilliant honestly
fascinating to hear this saga outside of the heated polemics of post race interviews and in blunt engineering terms. I feel for honda after watching this
What was especially impressive in 2021 was that the engine they used was actually the engine Honda had originally planned to use in 2022 but brought forward to end their time in F1 with a bang. It was a gamble but it worked out! Congrats to Honda and RB for that. Given the superior reliability Honda engines showed in 2021, I am excited to see how much more performance they can extract from the engine in 2022.
Lmao the tarantinesque intro to french toast made me instantly like the video, plus being super informative as always and the bonus of not unnecessary “like and suscribe” middle of the video shaenanigans, i really want to give multiple likes to the video guys ahah
I was always laughed at when I said in 2017 that they had a shot. It was a different engine from last year, though similarly unsuccessful, it was not only the engine to blame - look at McLaren's next season with Renault. Throughout the season, I think their progress was clearly visible, and they were actually running in the midfield, not dead last while the engine actually worked. It was a slow process and certainly hard work, even a small miracle, but I really did believe. I hope I will be this right about they coming back for the new engine regs, though it's less likely now that RB is ramping up their unit.
A great story to tell everyone, from zero to hero thanks to working hard AND communication and not just blaming and whining.
Impressive indeed. Great insight from Franz and amazing perseverance from the Honda team 👏👏👏
This shows that persistence can indeed pay off. HONDA Was the most Consistent engine in 2021 in terms of reliability and pace and Mx won 14 of his 20 races after Honda took over
Mercedes’ engine was much faster
@@venkatakrishnaiahpaladugu9133 So? He didn’t say Honda had the fastest engine but the most reliable one.
@@venkatakrishnaiahpaladugu9133 you should check how many engine had changed for Bottas. I think it was 6 or 7
Thank you Mr Franz if it weren't for you...well who knows how it would have gone
Seeing hard work and persistence prevail is always great to see. It really is a shame to see them leave, but as I understand it, Honda have effectively sold not just the operations but also key personnel to RB which is really at the heart of the Honda project. Is that right? If so, then really all that will change is no Honda logo anymore, but we'll see the same guys in garage and joining MV + SG on the podium in years to come.
Love the channel. F1 content more important in this off season.
me too
Honda has always been best when it has something to prove. Be it that a Japanese manufacturer can race in F1 like 15 years after their country got nuked, let alone win a race. Or that a 1.4 litre car can win the hearts of the Americans who's first DNA sequence starts with "V8", or that they can make a championship winning engine out of an absolute fiasco. You just wait a decade, the formula will once again change, and Honda will be back with something to prove.
Great video! I would really like to know more about the last engine upgrades all the teams have before they are all locked, what can they do, who might make the biggest gains? Amazing work in 2021, here’s to more success for “The Race” in 2022! Happy New Year to the whole team!🎉🍾🏎
I had a dream last night, where me and a group of Red Bull & Honda personell are standing with Tanabe-san & Yamamoto-san, thanking them with flowers and trophies for the amazing and unforgettable moments their worked provided, as everyone leaves, I am in that garage, sobbing now that Honda has officially left F1 and don't even know if they'll ever comeback. "Sigh", Arigato Honda, for all the great memories, from "GP2 Engine" to "You are the world champion!!" Is something I will carry forward in my life
To know that it was Toro Rosso who believed in Honda and kept them from leaving F1 as early as 2018... Now I love AlphaTauri even more. Sad to see Honda leave yet again, but at least they went out with a bang this time.
That's why I admire Japanese people so much. They never give up !!!! Thank you people from HONDA. 👍👍👍
👍👍👍👍You will be missed
Honda leaving F1 is very sad but at least they did it on a high, their reliability was only question marked by Mercedes and their torpedo tactics
they won fair and square, the honda unit was just better this year
Loved that Tost intro
The last few seconds of this video, I was like "are you sponsored by Target?"
Oh My Lord Max!!!!
Oh My Lord Honda!!!
Gutted to see them leave but it was a strange decision considering the 2022 homologation engine freeze. So the cost to run Honda's engine program would surely be drastically reduced in the coming years.
Franz Tost is the friend Honda deserved and needed
It is the close cooperation with the Torro Rosso/Red Bull family that changed everything.
Good communication, trust and incorporating them in the teams gave Honda the opportunity to perform 'miracles'...
I am actually slightly angry at Honda for leaving. We finally had an engine that could match Mercedes, and now they are leaving.
Ferrari will be back in 2022
They're not actually "leaving". Honda just recently signed a deal with Red Bull where they're going to still be developing engines for them till the end of 2025. The only difference is that the engines will no longer be branded as Honda engines, instead it will become Red Bull Powertrains.
@@avinashanish3350 the Honda name is leaving the sport tho, that was what he meant
The name’s leaving not the engines or the engineers
@@yuyy8565 no he’s mad that they’re leaving since they matched Benz’s pace which they won’t leave
I really hope Honda return to F1 someday, McLaren and Senna were my childhood and JB is my favourite driver of all time so I've always got a huge soft spot for Honda in F1 so happy to see them leave as champions just wish it happened with McLaren instead of Red Bull
Mclaren forcing Honda to go in a year earlier than previously agreed reminds me of the MasterCard Lola Team....wings clipped before they could even start to fly
love the new content
Here the clash between Western and Japanese culture in Engineering is clearly shown. Where we in the west want results now and have to trial and error, the Japanese want contineous improvement. Torro Rosso gave them this possibility
Couldn't have said it better, Redbull's 2 teams setup seems to be beneficial in more ways than I expected.
Indeed japanese engineering seems to be incremental progress. Although thanks in part to franz daring honda to be more aggressive and provide the climate to do so paid off.