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Heavy is more than just the tuning. It's about the tone, the tightness, the riff itself, and the way the riff is played. That's what I learned over the 15 years of playing.
I don't play much in e standard anymore, at least never in a metal context but a handy trick is this: Play inverted power chords alot, when palm muted you can basically mimic ''drop A'' because the muted inverted power chords have this natural heaviness.
I started preaching this at one time, it truly is a trick worth exploring. I do happen to like the few bands that employ this trick. There's Mors Principium Est, you can hear quite a few tracks with these inverted chuggers in their album "Unborn". Of course there's Sylosis with tunes like Empyreal or Servitude that do perfectly mimic a drop-A axe. Then we've got Winds of Plague as another example. We can't forget Aborted who while they tune to C-standard they have a riff that makes it sound like Drop-C instead of C-standard due to using these inversions at a higher register. Big problem is the bass guitar. If you're gonna enforce that illusion, then what's the bassist gonna play? The root an octave higher? If it's the true target root then either the bassist has to tune down or play a five string. I really should ask Josh Middleton of Sylosis what their bassist is using for Empyreal (for instance) because I clearly hear a bass guitar with notes an octave lower than Iron Maiden's little ole' A-string. It's not only asking more from the bassist for a mere illusion, but it's also going against the grain on oldschool metal image. Thrash players, for instance, are purists and often raise eyebrows at extended range instruments. Personally, I kind of get their pure-ismn (for various reasons). One of those reasons is rhythmic options in the baritone range. -Power chords- Inverted power chords cannot do more than fast eighth notes for chugging -- meanwhile my seven string can do triplets, gallops, tremolo, dyads, clean chord extensions, etc. It's sort of like a black hole of options that sucks you down into the seven string (at least for me). After grabbing my seven string and making peace with it, then I no longer have a guilt complex about my imaginary bassist playing a five string. But then I realize that my six string is better for solo-ing, so I end up right back in square one and the cycle repeats ad-infinitum. So at the end of the day, it's really about how much you commit to a tuning and determining how certain limitations can play into your hands. I am constantly having a war inside my head about whether or not I should be satisfied with a downtuned six or just keep hammering away at the seven string. For the time being, the seven string is "winning".
I have spent a lot of (probably too much) time testing around with the heaviness of tunings and different breakpoints of tunings and how it can affect tone. I think something not enough people take advantage of is what I like to call "contextual heaviness". Or in other terms how heavy something sounds in the context of where it is being played lowness wise. Try writing in a song in drop C for example but let the lowest note you use for a majority of the song be E D# or D. Then when you want a part to hit a little harder or be a bit heavier dropping it down to that C feels much heavier than it would have if you had been using it the whole time because of the context of how you were writing. Doesn't seem like much but it can make a massive difference.
I've been playing in the E standard for most of my life, but when I discovered the world of modern metal and lowered tunings, I stopped playing in standard and now if I play in standard, it's very hard for me to come up with some cool riffs.
Decimate the Weak is a great album by Winds of Plague completely in standard tuning. Heavy af! When playing in standard tuning, you can’t just rely on barring and chugging the top strings to make something heavy.. you actually have to use your brain.. probably why you prefer drop tunings 😅
this has been the opposite for me. I grew up doing down tunings since I started playing guitar. Now ive been mostly playing in standard and I AM LOVING it..thrashy riffs.. I love the tightness of the strings too at that tension.
Another fun vid, man. I think the "key" to making E feel heavy really just comes down to creative riff writing (obvious answer I know lol) and also the prominence of bass guitar. One of my fav bands is Arcane Roots and their last album had bass play a huge part in making mixes feel heavy (as well as the use of octave effects). Of course, you can't forget about bands like Sylosis or the bands like TFOT or Dillinger as well, but there are definitely ways of making E standard work imo.
I still play in E standard on one of my guitars despite playing almost exclusively metalcore music. It lends itself better to the early All That Remains style metalcore than most others though. The key is definitely more speed than trying to get breakdowns and stuff. Although you can still get slower heavy riffs if you use like dissonant chords and stuff. It is just so much easier to chug three open strings and be heavy though lol
This is a brilliant vid, I really like the heavy tones you made for E standard. My music taste tends to be not so heavy, but sometimes when I’m looking for that extra heaviness in the Guitar, I also noticed it’s harder to get that the same way you can in lower tunings. Must be because the lower the notes the more potential for overtones to beef it up..
I appreciate that the band have only been using the same tuning (C# standard) for their entire existence. The lowest string is a half-step above Drop C (while the rest are half-step lower) and they put out some of the heaviest metal songs out of the varied style they have.
This video was really fun. Keyan always delivers on the guitar content On the topic of E standard Metal riffs, Jacob Martin wrote probably the most final boss of E Standard Riffs last year and I highly recommend fans of this video go and watch that. Absolutely wild stuff.
Someone does a "can E Standard but heavy video". A bunch of people rave about Sylosis. We all listen to it, and it sounds good but, the video ends. We get back into reality place on HLB or something similar and realise drop tuning does help with the heavy.
Perhaps it is worth pointing out that Sylosis have tuned to D-standard since "Cycle of Suffering" and have even experimented with Drop-D in "the Supreme Oppressor". See, even the best of them recognize that there is at least something 'different' in lower tonalities, even if only pursued in subtle doses.
We have the same guitar, sweet. I love my Juggernaut :3 also I think context and tone is what really makes a guitar riff stand out. Drums bring a riff to life, specifically. I think you nailed it though, it was a heavy riff despite being in standard.
I guess I'm a boomer so take whatever I say with a grain of salt... I like E standard, a lot. I also like down tuned guitars. I would have much rather heard your original songs/ideas than tired old ("classic") songs, everyone plays Metallica and Megadeth. Your song in E standard was a breath of fresh air in the metal genre, it takes the best of the old and brings in the new to create something very aesthetically pleasing. Please do more.
Tuning lower just makes riffs sound heavier but not necessary heavy, I'm from school of tought that riffs are what makes it heavy. I played E standard for years but I'm no stranger for heavily downtuned or drop tuned bands, one of my early favorite bands played in E standard but at the same time I enjoyed mid 2000's metalcore in drop C, and even low as drop A before all the djenty craze starting to happen by the end of 2000's where lower than drop A became modern metal standard. That's why I will always consider heavy riffs heavy by how they're written and not by the tuning they're in. And this riff you wrote in E standard proves my point, it's heavy without being tuned really low. A job well done ;)
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Drop D and E standard sounds gorgeus! I love to downtune my guitars but honestly, it all depends on the writing. Your riffing here sounds amazing, probably you also probably found it easier to mix. Good job Keyan!
I think if you got the right tone you can make any tuning (including standard) heavy. I even thought of getting a Squier Bass VI or a baritone to have standard tuning as well as a low tuned tone, then layer it with a guitar in standard for leads. The Bass IV sounds dope with high gain.
To anyone who sees this, go listen to Ne Obliviscaris. They have some great proggy riffs and they play in standard most of the time. its more about the attitude that makes a song heavy, not quite as much the tuning, though it still has its place in making songs heavier at times.
Bass rules the low territory with being *clanky* so the guitar don't have to be tuned stupidly low. With this in mind, i'm heavily considering to buy the Gretsch baritone and tune everything to E standard but an octave lower haha.
Not Metal but the Aussie hardcore band Iron Mind is in E standard and those riffs are some of the heaviest and mosh inducing I’ve ever had the pleasure of hearing live and otherwise.
It's more in the selection of notes, how they relate to each other, tritones etc. also when you play the notes you choose to play, tempo & tone also play a part, you can play a heavy sounding riff on an acoustic.
4:35 huge Manipulator (The Fall of Troy) vibes, awesome band that is worth checking out (if you played Guitar Hero 3 you already know them by F.C.P.R.E.M.I.X.)
Metal riffs in E standard makes me happy, and gives me nostalgia feels... so boomer for me. Edit: definitely more to heavy than only tuning, but if it's making me happy like "I remember this feeling" then tuning is definitely dating the riff.
imo the best thing about playin in E standard is you can go hard on that bass nob on your EQ and it still sounds tight AF but also large too, but tbh i rarely play E standard, lowest i have atm is drop D
Personal preference lower is heavier I played A for quite a while but I feel A and lower its harder to hear different notes on the first few frets I really like b it's still heavy but you can articulate each note even on the lower end and also maybe the album that changed my life was in 99 when I heard the self titled slipknot album has something to do with it. Love ypur videos man your a great guitar player.
i would love to see a video of u playing bass !!! i’d love to see ur opinions on bass being an octave lower (90 percent of bands) or unison with guitar (meshuggah, loathe)
well to me standard E is great , with my band we play Drop A# with 6 strings and Drop G# with 7s but all out "ballad" , if i may, stuff is in standard E or Drop D and it works perfectly fine , it depends on the purpose of the song more than anything else
Tuning lower may have more depth of bass but you loose aggression . It's a compromise, for example Testament did Brotherhood of the Snake in Eb, whilst Nickleback play 7 strings. Yet it's obvious which is more aggressive and " heavy " , when in E , you can't hide your picking hand, relying on the tuning parameters to get " heavy " you have to play heavy. It's in the hand
I think standard can very much sound heavy. One other RUclipsr did this as well. I feel it's in the context of how you write. both times the demos were written using modern metal techniques and styles and it sounds fantastic. Just higher tuned.
depends on the type of tone you dial in. older bands had a more scooped sound that had some harsh upper mids and highs in it. guitar tones now are very tight and sterile compared to the old sound. I think meshuggah has that nice in between sweetspot.
To be honest I'm little deaf on low tones meaning I couldn't even hear my 7 string guitar on B standard. All my music is E standards (Just started my studio last year if you want to check my channel) because my deaf hearing on low tones. So what I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with E standard metal music's :D
When you say that you're going to start using real amps more, are you going to use the tones from your 5150 iconic more? I loved the tones you got in your video on it. In fact that video is what convinced my dad to get me it for Christmas!
imo you can be heavy as fuck in E, just look at groups like Envy, Sylosis and Dillinger, you just won't get a 'djent' or deathcore sound from it, which is fine imo cause those sounds are kinda overused by now
Insane playing dude! Btw, I don't think it's the tunning, I think it's the tonality. Riffs in E standard are usually in A minor or E minor, while riffs in Drop C will be in C minor and that kind of stuff. I do believe that tonalities have their sound and that's what makes some lower tunning riffs heavier, because they're in heavier tonalities, like F minor or G minor
Part of it is writing, part of it is how you handle the tone and how it interacts with the bass, and probably other things Some of Opeth is disgustingly heavy and theyre in E standard
Lower tuning is a crutch. Real heavy comes from the riffs. 8 strings are insane to me. I can't do it, it's all mush. Yes I also down tune, but nothing close to that. My favorite tuning is Drop C#.
I May be biased but I find there's something missing in today's music. My opinion is that it's not the tuning because at the end of the day all that matters is the song!! Is it well written or is it just a fad?? Are the riffs all the same ? And that goes for any tuning you use. Period. Low tunings have more bass in them so it's likelier to be muddier than usual and clarity is essential for chords as well as notes. Look at black metal for instance. It's not usually tuned low but is it ever heavy!! It's labelled as extreme metal. It's dark sad and icy ! ! It gives à lot of people the creeps !! Think about it . And thanx for sharing your riffs they're awsome.!! Horns up Man ! !
I play too many different genres, so E Standard gets a fair workout, but then again, I go as low as Double Drop D#. Just means my Digitech DT gets used a LOT lol.
Is E Standard still heavy or just boomer?... Let me know/yell at me below! The tone used in this demo song was the "Heavy Axe" preset within the Spark app.
New Year, New Gear! Check out Positive Grid for some killer deals that include up to 25% off Spark bundles and 50% off software: bit.ly/3vNk7a0
Sylosis Conclusion of an age is a brutally heavy album, all in Standard E. It's all in the writing.
everything upto cycle of suffering is just standard E goodness!
Exactly! The new generation doesn't seem to understand that.
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I love it hha well done mate
Heavy is more than just the tuning. It's about the tone, the tightness, the riff itself, and the way the riff is played. That's what I learned over the 15 years of playing.
Exactly. I think Opeth is a great example of a band that writes heavy riffs without tuning excessively low
Insane playing as always, Keyan!🙌
Thanks guys! I’m actually playing the Spark in my lounge room couch right now while I’m refreshing the comments after uploading lmao
I don't play much in e standard anymore, at least never in a metal context but a handy trick is this: Play inverted power chords alot, when palm muted you can basically mimic ''drop A'' because the muted inverted power chords have this natural heaviness.
I started preaching this at one time, it truly is a trick worth exploring. I do happen to like the few bands that employ this trick. There's Mors Principium Est, you can hear quite a few tracks with these inverted chuggers in their album "Unborn". Of course there's Sylosis with tunes like Empyreal or Servitude that do perfectly mimic a drop-A axe. Then we've got Winds of Plague as another example. We can't forget Aborted who while they tune to C-standard they have a riff that makes it sound like Drop-C instead of C-standard due to using these inversions at a higher register.
Big problem is the bass guitar. If you're gonna enforce that illusion, then what's the bassist gonna play? The root an octave higher? If it's the true target root then either the bassist has to tune down or play a five string. I really should ask Josh Middleton of Sylosis what their bassist is using for Empyreal (for instance) because I clearly hear a bass guitar with notes an octave lower than Iron Maiden's little ole' A-string.
It's not only asking more from the bassist for a mere illusion, but it's also going against the grain on oldschool metal image. Thrash players, for instance, are purists and often raise eyebrows at extended range instruments.
Personally, I kind of get their pure-ismn (for various reasons). One of those reasons is rhythmic options in the baritone range. -Power chords- Inverted power chords cannot do more than fast eighth notes for chugging -- meanwhile my seven string can do triplets, gallops, tremolo, dyads, clean chord extensions, etc. It's sort of like a black hole of options that sucks you down into the seven string (at least for me). After grabbing my seven string and making peace with it, then I no longer have a guilt complex about my imaginary bassist playing a five string.
But then I realize that my six string is better for solo-ing, so I end up right back in square one and the cycle repeats ad-infinitum. So at the end of the day, it's really about how much you commit to a tuning and determining how certain limitations can play into your hands. I am constantly having a war inside my head about whether or not I should be satisfied with a downtuned six or just keep hammering away at the seven string. For the time being, the seven string is "winning".
Better thall Saul playthrough when?
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@@KeyanHoushmandLive it wasn't a joke
@@oceangilboa-way4163 Lmao, love it
I have spent a lot of (probably too much) time testing around with the heaviness of tunings and different breakpoints of tunings and how it can affect tone. I think something not enough people take advantage of is what I like to call "contextual heaviness". Or in other terms how heavy something sounds in the context of where it is being played lowness wise. Try writing in a song in drop C for example but let the lowest note you use for a majority of the song be E D# or D. Then when you want a part to hit a little harder or be a bit heavier dropping it down to that C feels much heavier than it would have if you had been using it the whole time because of the context of how you were writing. Doesn't seem like much but it can make a massive difference.
Underrated point 👍
Suicide Silence's The Cleansing album absolutely did this throughout the entire album
In simple terms, I kinda figured out the same thing, so I agree.
@@adrianbusto9102yeah, in one of the episodes of garza’s podcast he talks about it
Demo song was so sick man! Some huge Sylosis vibes from it and I love it! ...More??? 👀👀👀
Immediately thought of Sylosis too
4:34 That solo was amazing!
Thank you! It’s from my latest single ‘Pulse’ which you can listen to/stream anywhere!
@@KeyanHoushmandLive Thanks! I'll definitely check it out
That riff at the beginning kinda has Trivium vibes, I dig it
I've been playing in the E standard for most of my life, but when I discovered the world of modern metal and lowered tunings, I stopped playing in standard and now if I play in standard, it's very hard for me to come up with some cool riffs.
Decimate the Weak is a great album by Winds of Plague completely in standard tuning. Heavy af! When playing in standard tuning, you can’t just rely on barring and chugging the top strings to make something heavy.. you actually have to use your brain.. probably why you prefer drop tunings 😅
@@McCarlKnoxville You do realize that Winds of Plague no longer play in E-standard (some of their newer stuff sounds like Bb 7-string).
this has been the opposite for me. I grew up doing down tunings since I started playing guitar. Now ive been mostly playing in standard and I AM LOVING it..thrashy riffs.. I love the tightness of the strings too at that tension.
I was thinking to downtune my new guitar, after 1:01 I decided to stay in e standard for a little longer :)
Another fun vid, man. I think the "key" to making E feel heavy really just comes down to creative riff writing (obvious answer I know lol) and also the prominence of bass guitar. One of my fav bands is Arcane Roots and their last album had bass play a huge part in making mixes feel heavy (as well as the use of octave effects).
Of course, you can't forget about bands like Sylosis or the bands like TFOT or Dillinger as well, but there are definitely ways of making E standard work imo.
Arcane roots are unbelievable saw them live and they sounded massive due to the bass
@@jjmassey2906 So jealous, man. I wished I got to see them when they were still together.
God damn the inspiration this man gives me to want to write music.
That’s a nice ukulele sound
I still play in E standard on one of my guitars despite playing almost exclusively metalcore music. It lends itself better to the early All That Remains style metalcore than most others though. The key is definitely more speed than trying to get breakdowns and stuff. Although you can still get slower heavy riffs if you use like dissonant chords and stuff. It is just so much easier to chug three open strings and be heavy though lol
This is a brilliant vid, I really like the heavy tones you made for E standard. My music taste tends to be not so heavy, but sometimes when I’m looking for that extra heaviness in the Guitar, I also noticed it’s harder to get that the same way you can in lower tunings. Must be because the lower the notes the more potential for overtones to beef it up..
I believe it was Paul Waggoner from BTBAM who said something along the lines of "heaviness comes from your writing, not your tuning"
I appreciate that the band have only been using the same tuning (C# standard) for their entire existence. The lowest string is a half-step above Drop C (while the rest are half-step lower) and they put out some of the heaviest metal songs out of the varied style they have.
This video was really fun. Keyan always delivers on the guitar content
On the topic of E standard Metal riffs, Jacob Martin wrote probably the most final boss of E Standard Riffs last year and I highly recommend fans of this video go and watch that. Absolutely wild stuff.
Every album of The Dillinger Escape Plan is in E standard. Heavy AF
Someone does a "can E Standard but heavy video". A bunch of people rave about Sylosis. We all listen to it, and it sounds good but, the video ends. We get back into reality place on HLB or something similar and realise drop tuning does help with the heavy.
Perhaps it is worth pointing out that Sylosis have tuned to D-standard since "Cycle of Suffering" and have even experimented with Drop-D in "the Supreme Oppressor". See, even the best of them recognize that there is at least something 'different' in lower tonalities, even if only pursued in subtle doses.
The thrash metal band VECTOR actually uptunes to F and still sounds pretty damn heavy and tight!
Man, you can do what you watt . Your playing is f.. amazing
Yes,IT IS HEAVY!!
And nice sound like always.
We have the same guitar, sweet. I love my Juggernaut :3 also I think context and tone is what really makes a guitar riff stand out. Drums bring a riff to life, specifically. I think you nailed it though, it was a heavy riff despite being in standard.
I guess I'm a boomer so take whatever I say with a grain of salt... I like E standard, a lot. I also like down tuned guitars. I would have much rather heard your original songs/ideas than tired old ("classic") songs, everyone plays Metallica and Megadeth. Your song in E standard was a breath of fresh air in the metal genre, it takes the best of the old and brings in the new to create something very aesthetically pleasing. Please do more.
Let's go!
You’ve got a vicious right hand bro - awesome riffage 😮
love your content lately
Tuning lower just makes riffs sound heavier but not necessary heavy, I'm from school of tought that riffs are what makes it heavy. I played E standard for years but I'm no stranger for heavily downtuned or drop tuned bands, one of my early favorite bands played in E standard but at the same time I enjoyed mid 2000's metalcore in drop C, and even low as drop A before all the djenty craze starting to happen by the end of 2000's where lower than drop A became modern metal standard. That's why I will always consider heavy riffs heavy by how they're written and not by the tuning they're in. And this riff you wrote in E standard proves my point, it's heavy without being tuned really low. A job well done ;)
The key to sounding heavy in standard tuning is big distorted triads, 7ths, 9ths, 4th power chords, and tri tones
Sure, it's all in the arrangement and production. I've done it myself and will continue to do it.
I feel like these days for the most part, the tuning matters a decent amount but the writing matters more
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I was going to say your opening riff was very thrashy sounding…. And then you played Master…. Great work.
Sepultura's "Beneath the Remains" was recorded in standard tunning. period.
Drop D and E standard sounds gorgeus! I love to downtune my guitars but honestly, it all depends on the writing. Your riffing here sounds amazing, probably you also probably found it easier to mix. Good job Keyan!
I think if you got the right tone you can make any tuning (including standard) heavy. I even thought of getting a Squier Bass VI or a baritone to have standard tuning as well as a low tuned tone, then layer it with a guitar in standard for leads. The Bass IV sounds dope with high gain.
To anyone who sees this, go listen to Ne Obliviscaris. They have some great proggy riffs and they play in standard most of the time. its more about the attitude that makes a song heavy, not quite as much the tuning, though it still has its place in making songs heavier at times.
Bass rules the low territory with being *clanky* so the guitar don't have to be tuned stupidly low. With this in mind, i'm heavily considering to buy the Gretsch baritone and tune everything to E standard but an octave lower haha.
Inverted 5ths are the key to heavy in standard (Sylosis, Gojira or yes, listen to It's My Life from Bon Jovi!)
Never in my life did I think I'd see you playing classic thrash metal
Dude thats insane
Summoning the lich tunes in e standard. If you dig black dahlia murder you’ll love them !
My favourite RUclipsr ❤️
Brutal riff
Not Metal but the Aussie hardcore band Iron Mind is in E standard and those riffs are some of the heaviest and mosh inducing I’ve ever had the pleasure of hearing live and otherwise.
It's more in the selection of notes, how they relate to each other, tritones etc. also when you play the notes you choose to play, tempo & tone also play a part, you can play a heavy sounding riff on an acoustic.
4:35 huge Manipulator (The Fall of Troy) vibes, awesome band that is worth checking out (if you played Guitar Hero 3 you already know them by F.C.P.R.E.M.I.X.)
Metal riffs in E standard makes me happy, and gives me nostalgia feels... so boomer for me.
Edit: definitely more to heavy than only tuning, but if it's making me happy like "I remember this feeling" then tuning is definitely dating the riff.
imo the best thing about playin in E standard is you can go hard on that bass nob on your EQ and it still sounds tight AF but also large too, but tbh i rarely play E standard, lowest i have atm is drop D
WOW! I was not expecting that at 1:21 ... SOOO SICK (41 year old metal dude)
That first riff was impressive as fuck jesus christ dude
Yes
Personal preference lower is heavier I played A for quite a while but I feel A and lower its harder to hear different notes on the first few frets I really like b it's still heavy but you can articulate each note even on the lower end and also maybe the album that changed my life was in 99 when I heard the self titled slipknot album has something to do with it. Love ypur videos man your a great guitar player.
Yes Keyan !! Put Everyone to shame lol Even James
I love E standard.
What tuning do you normally use on 7 and 6 string i'm curious!
6 string is usually Drop C, 7 string usually ranges anyway from Drop Ab down to Drop E!
Isn't nice when your guitar doesn't get lost in the mix?
Seriously, I never thought I'd see you touch Master of Puppets
i would love to see a video of u playing bass !!! i’d love to see ur opinions on bass being an octave lower (90 percent of bands) or unison with guitar (meshuggah, loathe)
well to me standard E is great , with my band we play Drop A# with 6 strings and Drop G# with 7s but all out "ballad" , if i may, stuff is in standard E or Drop D and it works perfectly fine , it depends on the purpose of the song more than anything else
Tuning lower may have more depth of bass but you loose aggression . It's a compromise, for example Testament did Brotherhood of the Snake in Eb, whilst Nickleback play 7 strings. Yet it's obvious which is more aggressive and " heavy " , when in E , you can't hide your picking hand, relying on the tuning parameters to get " heavy " you have to play heavy. It's in the hand
I think standard can very much sound heavy. One other RUclipsr did this as well. I feel it's in the context of how you write. both times the demos were written using modern metal techniques and styles and it sounds fantastic. Just higher tuned.
any tuning could be heavy, is not about the tuning itself is about the riff!
depends on the type of tone you dial in. older bands had a more scooped sound that had some harsh upper mids and highs in it.
guitar tones now are very tight and sterile compared to the old sound.
I think meshuggah has that nice in between sweetspot.
After years, I'm returning to E standard and D standard. For me it's enough
To be honest I'm little deaf on low tones meaning I couldn't even hear my 7 string guitar on B standard. All my music is E standards (Just started my studio last year if you want to check my channel) because my deaf hearing on low tones. So what I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with E standard metal music's :D
What ,E Standard? Isn't Drop C the fist(standard) tuning and everything that comes after that?
lmao
Sounds heavy
Heaviness is mostly a rhythmic trait, not really about tuning. Let the bass do its job! Most of the time I just run drop D and call it a day.
4:34 to 5:12 would have sounded better if played with neck pickup.
When you say that you're going to start using real amps more, are you going to use the tones from your 5150 iconic more? I loved the tones you got in your video on it. In fact that video is what convinced my dad to get me it for Christmas!
please tell us that you finished that music that you wright an the beguining of the video!
awesome as always.
now play the same riff an octave below 😏
I think it can be!
imo you can be heavy as fuck in E, just look at groups like Envy, Sylosis and Dillinger, you just won't get a 'djent' or deathcore sound from it, which is fine imo cause those sounds are kinda overused by now
Insane playing dude!
Btw, I don't think it's the tunning, I think it's the tonality. Riffs in E standard are usually in A minor or E minor, while riffs in Drop C will be in C minor and that kind of stuff. I do believe that tonalities have their sound and that's what makes some lower tunning riffs heavier, because they're in heavier tonalities, like F minor or G minor
Only of you have perfect pitch it matters
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4:34 to 5:12 would have sounded better if played with neck pickup.
Kings of the Carnival Creation by Dimmu Borgir is the heaviest song on standard I've ever heard
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Part of it is writing, part of it is how you handle the tone and how it interacts with the bass, and probably other things
Some of Opeth is disgustingly heavy and theyre in E standard
Yo Keyan what drum plugin you using in this video? They sound sick
Hey dude, this is the P4 kit
I mean, most of Mayhem's songs on DMDS are in E, pretty hard to argue against that being heavy as hell
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It doesn't matter what tuning you in heavy is heavy thats how i see it
"Can E standard be heavy?"
Listen to Heir Apperant and you will have your answer
Lower tuning is a crutch. Real heavy comes from the riffs.
8 strings are insane to me. I can't do it, it's all mush.
Yes I also down tune, but nothing close to that. My favorite tuning is Drop C#.
The question is: is the youngster fellas still able to make solid heavy stuff?
E Standard is good and I think is fantastic for learning basic theory and how music works but personally I prefer D Standard on 6 and A Standard on 7
Drop D, Drop C, tuning down a half or a whole step is great and all. But E#? That shit slaps.
Decimate the Weak by Winds of Plague would be a good song for you to learn. E standard and heavy af
The song was bad ass to me. It was heavy yet very interesting.
I May be biased but I find there's something missing in today's music. My opinion is that it's not the tuning because at the end of the day all that matters is the song!! Is it well written or is it just a fad?? Are the riffs all the same ? And that goes for any tuning
you use. Period. Low tunings have more bass in them so it's likelier to be muddier than usual and clarity is essential for chords as well as notes. Look at black metal for instance. It's not usually tuned low but is it ever heavy!! It's labelled as extreme metal. It's dark sad and icy ! ! It gives à lot of people the creeps !! Think about it . And thanx for sharing your riffs they're awsome.!! Horns up Man ! !
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I play too many different genres, so E Standard gets a fair workout, but then again, I go as low as Double Drop D#. Just means my Digitech DT gets used a LOT lol.
Pretty sure Pantera was in standard. Slayer was typically 1 step down standard.
"Heaviness" isn't in the tuning. It's the song writing, and also the rhythm (probably)
I'm disappointed the pink Strat didn't come out for this one :P
Dave mustaine said it's a matter of skill