Hears a thought to consider, when the boys bind death to kill Casteil. Death says the leviathans are older than souls, what if one of the major differences between Eve and the leviathans is that Eve has a soul. Not necessarily a human soul, but the first monster with a soul. This may also explain how she maintains power over the leviathan, just as Crowley became far more powerful when he became king of hell, and other angels can tap in to the power of souls, she can tap in to the power of monster souls, which the leviathan cannot.
I don't remember where but somewhere I read that Eve was 1/2 Leviathan and 1/2 pagan god. I think it was "supernatural wiki" and that info was NOT in the show, BUT was in the book series.
I really like the idea of Eve essentially being the jail warden of Purgatory. It would explain so much. For example, if she and by extension, her children are related to Leviathan then it could also explain why Monsters generally hunger for human flesh and their ability to spread keeps a steady stream of souls as food for Purgatory.
If we extend the theorizing a bit further, the idea that God created her to be a caretaker for Purgatory could also explain why the angels never did anything about the monsters, despite clearly having the power to wipe them out and the job being to watch over humanity. If Eve first came to Earth and started making monsters after God went missing, it's possible the angels did not wipe out her monsters after she got banished back to Purgatory because they didn't know if God intended for these things to exist or not and didn't want to accidentally go against his will. This of course assumes that the angels, at least Michael and Raphael, knew about Eve and why she exists. And a tangentially related idea: if a nephilim or group of nephilim was somehow responsible for letting Eve out of Purgatory for the first time, it would explain why angels hate and mistrust nephilim so much. They might have decided to do nothing about the monsters and let history just play out, but that doesn't mean they would be happy about the existence of monsters and the threat they pose to Mankind.
I like to think that "Eve" is actually the original human. As in Adam. I think that after she was banished. She rebelled. And then created the monsters. Which makes sense since in season 15 Adam has a new girlfriend. Also we know Adam is magical, since his rib bone was part of the spell that can kill God. And their son was kane.
I came here to say something similar, and also Lilith is the first woman created and didn't want Adam she wanted Lucifer so then he created Eve and still the same thing happened, no human can be told who or what they are. The original free will gang!
@florence, I have to disagree with you, maybe her real name is Lilith Adams first wife, but because she was prideful and wouldn't submit to Adam god created the first succubus Lilith. When she was killed, god banished her and she took the name Eve to spite God and become the mother of all monsters. Like Eve became the mother of all humans and to mock Eve and God, she Lilith who goes by Eve, allowed the Alphas to turn the true Eves children into her stepchildren, mocking God.
My personal theory on eve is that she is eve from the beginning and becomes what she is when she ate the forbidden fruit and it was intentional by chuck so that she becomes the warden that the Levi’s needed
@@DannyDJ1205 Then later on, Adam has an angel Serafina as his new beloved. That is another example saying not everything in Supernatural match the story to the bible. I mean Adam's first wife would have to be Eve and then when Adam was forced to move on with his life, Adam ended up having Serafina as his 2nd wife.
Surely she is, otherwise why give her such a well known name. They would have known who people would think of in this context, if an ancient character was called Eve.
I like the idea, but that would make her younger than the angels, which doesn't make sense, unfortunately, because that would be pretty awesome. Well, unless Eve was something else first, and then Chuck gave her a chance to be human or something, before turning her back after eating the fruit. It would have to be something like that for it to work💁🏻♀️
@@hp2546Actually, Serafina would have been Adam’s third wife because Lilith was Adam’s first. This was confirmed by Eric Kripke when talking about Lilith saying “She is generally esteemed as one of the first demons, certainly the first female demon, so were kind of holding to that; we keep in our heads that that's really what she is, that she very well might have been Adam's first wife and was banished to become a demon.” That’s from Supernatural The Official Companion Season 3.
I actually really like this explanation. Even though it's not listed as canon I think you took all the things that are canon and assembled it and filled it in to a way that makes sense with it.
It felt like given the leviathans they were the first monsters but were deemed a failure due to their insatiable appetite Eve was the perfected version of them cuz shes very similar in nature, however she was satisfied with a balance of monsters and hunters, until crowley and cass did what they did
@@KarltheBarloff topic statement,no leviathans came first and are a little bit older than eve so that new retcon of leviathan are eve’s children is a biased statement and should not exist, and it’s a shame that we didn’t get to see eve ever again except mentioning her in purgatory.
@@KarltheBarlno cuz even edgar talked down about her as if she was above her, which is true eve is hard to kill but compared to the leviathans who needed a literal god stone telling how to kill any of them, cuz unlike eve they were that dangerous, and were borderline immortal the only beings that were powerful enough to kill a leviathan that wasn’t on gods lvl was probably the archangels and one of their own, they could easily kill one another, but they were powerful enough to easily kill angels, even eve felt the need to depowered castiel, but no levy ever feared angels in fact they all seemed scared of the levys, but archangels are on another lvl so they would probably be powerful enough to kill them too they just happened to all be gone by the time we saw the levys
I think that Chuck replaced the leviathans with monsters by changing their formula and creating Eve so she can spread monsters in order to control the human/animal population. And the Alpha Vampire said that he was there(earth) when humans discovered the fire
I don't think there was a logical reason for the existence of monsters, they don't serve some kind of natural order, they're merely obstacles and threats for a good story for his amusement
The theory that Eve accidentally killed herself by destroying a phoenix she created makes perfect sense. I imagine that Chuck put a failsafe in Eve in case she designed monsters beyond Chuck's realm of power. Such as true immortality. Her creations like werewolves and vampires still have weaknesses. She tested the Phoenix's immortality and some of the Ash got in her mouth and she killed herself. I think that makes more sense
I like to think of Eve as the Alpha Leviathan, who just has special abilities due to how old she is. Dick Roman was the one that everyone followed on Earth, because Eve was "dead".
Edgar once called Eve "A mutt. Barely one of us." I'm certain that Eve is a unique variant of Leviathan. I won't take the Phoenix Ash weakness too seriously, since when that was written they hadn't thought of the Leviathans yet, but I'm assuming that weakness is unique to Eve.
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I love how in super natural, theres literal gods and ascended beings, and two guys who reckon something who just go around murdering all of them because the plucky human spirit
Yeah I also agree. Eve really wasn't evil, but more as like. I'm so over this crap & situations 🤣😂. But anyway yeah I wish supernatural did let the fans know what type of creature eve really is and what her true purpose is.! 🤔. But now we would never know. And even in The Winchester series about the Multiverse. Who is God? And is Jack is some how a god in all Reality throughout the Multiverse or not?
My personal headcanon is that Eve is actually Echidna, the Mother of Monsters in Greek Mythology. The two have a lot of similarities. They're both monstrous women who have birthed a ton of monsters, they both have a lot of power, and they're both immortal. It just makes a lot of sense to me.
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I’ll forever be sad how eve was poorly wasted by Eric kripke the writer or whoever wrote that episode,we didn’t even get to know her character enough and all they gave us was 3 episodes, cmon how is it possible for them to give demons and angels episodes to last longer than eve, if you ask me, she should be brought back and learn about her backstory and more.
@@KING_ZODINEUS then who was it that wasted the character, ik Eric kripke was somehow involved but not with the idea of killing off the character that quick so I’m still questioning who it was that did it?
@evergreens0173 Kripe wanted to end the show at s5, but everyone, the producers, the showrunners, the cast, the fans and even the channel didn't wanted to end the show. So he left after S5 and let the producers take over, Robert Simger was the one leading along with the producers and even some actors like Jensen (Dean) and Richard (Gabriel) went and helped. The use some of Kripe scratched ideas for a while, them they had to be creative, we can see the big difference after season 5. So probably Robert Singer dispatch Eve so fast. Who knows.
@@johnroe6455 Tiamat is also known as the "Mother of Monsters" in Babylonian myth. Though more specifically, she and Apsu (that's Bahamut to my WOTC's out there) created the first gods of Babylonian myth. I honestly would've been content had they named her either Tiamat or Echidna.
My biggest curiosity about the creatures is when we get to the changelings/shape shifters. They go their whole lives changing their shapes, but do they have a base shape for themselves? Like they get birthed out as their original selves, and they start changing from there. So, would/could/should there be some kind of subconscious template of what they would have looked like in their very first form? Because I doubt they go through their lives constantly changing what they look like after people they encounter without even being curious about what they would have looked like originally or tried to make their own look.
Honestly i dont understand why the winchesters did not agree to work with eve in killing crowley considering she didnt have any diabolical plans and just wanted him dead its likely eve would have went back to purgatory after or did what the alphas do and just Fd off to someplace to live quietly and observe the world.
As a huge fan of all things mythical and occult from cultures around the world Supernatural is by far my favorite TV series on the subjects. So happy I found your channel, I have so many thoughts on the show. You answered the big ones, Chuck and Eve. I agree with you Chuck is not God, a sibling of the true God and Amera. I think he was the Middle one, who lost their parents attention after the third one was born. Your Eve hypothesis I am not so sure about it, but it is food for thought. Thank you for the work you have done. I wish I could afford those books. May I request a video, the other gods, who made them, how are the so powerful? Thank you.
13:42 i never knew that this monster was a rugaru. I always thought this was a werewolf that looked like this because they were in purgatory and because of that it revealed his „trueform“. Damn those rugaru are some ugly things 😅😂
it still puzzles me if this Eve was as in Adam and Eve, or a different one., like she was named Eve because she is the mother of all monters like how Eve was the mother of humanity
Since they've used other people from that time like Cain it's not completly unlikely, but I think in this case she's just named Eve because 1. it sounds good with all the bible talk and 2. because she is the mother of monsters like Eve was for humanity, like you said. Making her the actual Eve from the bible would imply that either she is human or every human after Eve is at least partly a monster, which I don't think is the case.
I clicked on the video, and on your first question I could only find myself saying "dragons!" which got even less lore and screen time than Eve. Eve was definitely a close second for me, as she was supposed to be super important. Though I think this stems from SPN having supposed to only last 5 seasons. But they kept it going, and she seemed kind of like filler glue to tie story elements together. Though I will say, I haven't finished the video yet so I am curious if you mention that haha Edit - he didnt, but he did dive into dragons a little bit but my curiosity is not sated. Subscription still earned!
In series Edgar says Eve was a Mutt, he says she barely a Leviathan. This why I think God allows her stay in the Earth realm and give birth all those kinds of monsters.
She is the mother of monsters in a literal way. It is sort of like the "which came first chicken or the egg" idea. He didn't just make Leviathans aka chickens He made Eve and used her to make "Eggs". Eve would be the only creature God made as an " adult" creature and she made all the "eggs" that became the monsters allowing them to grow up learn and adapt....evolution type things happen .
Yes! I totally agree! They could have really done some interesting things with Eve. I really liked this character and would have loved to have seen where they would have taken this story line.
I think she was created by God to replace the Leviathans on earth. She's probably only part Leviathan so they hate her and see her as inferior. After Dick's death its likely she was able to take control over them after a war or something idk.
I'm kind of wanting them to bring the show back and I have a way that they can do it Chuck is human now so therefore he would have a soul so when he dies you know he's not going to heaven however he would still have all the knowledge of having been god so he dies and goes to hell takes over from Crowley's mom uses his knowledge to speed up the process of becoming a demon and the demon chuck with all the knowledge he would have would surely be able to be a universe ending threat
He’s “human”, but it’s unclear if he has a soul or not. When Cas (and Anna and Metatron) became “human”, I’m pretty sure they didn’t have a soul, and I always thought Chuck’s outcome was pretty much the same; a powerless “entity”, that’s pretty much a “human”, but with no soul. And because of that, I always thought, if he were to die as a “human”, he’d end up in the Empty, not Heaven or Hell. If they were to bring Supernatural back, I always thought The Empty would’ve made the villain, not Chuck again.
@@ooo8430 well the reason I think he does is because Metatron told Castiel when he died as a human when he got back to heaven to come tell him about his life so I'm thinking he probably does and that would be a great way to bring the original show because "Chuck as a demon with the knowledge of God would be a very big bad"
@@captainjellicoe1701e Well remember this: when Metatron became a human he still know about spells and etched. He also try to stop The Darkness , he probably would be succeeded if The darkness wasn't god sister a.k.a the other- half of God Himself. So yeah I also believe if their do it right. God/ chuck would still know how to used magic and spells. Hell the boys learn a spell to trap death Himself. Imagine what type of spell that chuck know and can do. Yes Crowley say to the boys/the brothers saying that was Lucifer who was using a powerful spells to hold death. However sam cut him off quickly by saying a spells is still an spells. Meaning you don't have to be all powerful to used a powerful spells or magic. So yeah chuck being a human to turn into a demon or something else altogether. Chuck may get his power back or something else!?🤔 If their wanted chuck to make an come back.
@@gabrielhughes8221 I don't think he would get God level Powers again I'm just thinking he would be able to get more powerful than a night of Hell type demon because he would still have all the knowledge of having been God and use that knowledge to augment whatever Powers he got on top of being a demon so I withdraw saying he might be a Universe ending threat but he can still be a big threat at least
@@captainjellicoe1701e Yeah probably. Whether he get his God power back or some type of a gods-like powers. It hard to say and pinpoint. Remember knowledge is power and chuck got that knowledge. Whether their decided to downplay chuck again or not. Because the series into ended to soon and to crazy. So much their have to make Jack some how defeated chuck who acting like chucky lol 😂🤣😅. Was kinda stupid and and very dumb. But yeah, remember what Crowley mom say when she got the book of damn. You never know or see what a witch can do with real magic, again it talking about the knowledge of true magic. She is pretty OP. In the mainstream universe in supernatural and also her counterpart in a different timeline. She seem powerful and knowledgeable enough to help out in her own way to stop a big threat. Meaning she didn't act like it would be the end of the world for her. When she give home girl that magic item. Again chuck may be that type of person if their decided to bring him back and wanted him to make his moved.
First I'd like to say I am enjoying your videos. I just discovered them and I am viewing them in order. It's nice to see content about Supernatural since like most fans I miss the show. I do think you're a little off on this one though. Like a few others mentioned I think Eve is Adam's wife. Just a couple reasons I think this is because Supernatural incorporated both Adam and Cain as well as Adam's first wife Lilith so it would make since that they would include Eve in some fashion. God was extremely upset with Eve so he wouldn't have allowed her to enter heaven and since Lucifer corrupted her I don't think he would have allowed her to enter hell either because that would've pleased Lucifer. The nothing or purgatory were the other options. The shadow ruled the nothing so purgatory would have been the logical decision. Thus God made Eve the warden for purgatory. God would have had to give her special abilities to control the leviathan. That combined with what she gained after eating from the tree of knowledge would have combined to make her the Eve we saw. Having the knowledge of all good and evil would have given her immense knowledge of magic and mystical creation. It would also make sense that she used the essence of the first monsters to create her monsters which would explain the comments about them being related. However she was able to create monsters without using their essence while continuing to create new monsters as we saw. I think she referred to leviathan as her children the same way foster and adoption mothers do for the children placed in their care. Which may also explain Edgar's response to the Alpha about them being related. It may also explain why leviathan and monsters didn't like each other. But that could also be explained by the fact that leviathan saw monsters as beneath them and of course monsters didn't like leviathan because they were the only creature that fed on them. While using leviathan essence may explain why monsters fed on humans it may also simply be that Eve created them that way to punish humans. She may have been angry at God but also she may have been angry, resentful and jealous due to the fact that she gave birth to the first humans after her and Adam yet humans worship God and other entities rather than her. I do agree with your thoughts on the dragons and phoenix. I think the dragons were her first creations so they became her heralds like Angels were for God. Then when men began killing the dragons she wanted to make them immortal which made them resurrect like the phoenix does. The fact their ashes could harm her was an unintentional aspect, which would explain why she didn't give that ability to any of the others. It would also make since that when they died they went purgatory instead of hell or heaven since they were Eve's creations rather that God's. Sorry my thoughts were so long but thanks for making the videos.
So my theory is she’s an old god, the show pretty much has stated that with enough believe in something it gains power. Eve is all the monster in the dark stories that predate most religions. Chuck first created leviathan’s to battle her and she lost getting banned to purgatory. Hence why the Leviathans hated monster and Eve.
What happened to the monsters that Michael powered up with his grace? Did they give the leviathans a better snack? Or could it give them a power boost?
I like this video except for the Phoenix bit. Facts : The Phoenix species is hyper rare or just quiet and not causing problems. The only Phoenix example we have is a poor sap some humans started a fight with , murdered his wife , then corrupt cops got him. He clearly had some love for his human wife. This is not monster behavior. Also the Phoenix death was more supernaturally dramatic than any of Eves children , it was more like the leviathan's leader death or an angel death , but also did not leave a body like Death's death. The Phoenix also did not like iron like ghost. The Phoenix was of a sound mind and body unlike ghost. Speculation : There was no body left behind so that rules out possession and monster. The Iron allergy is something largely seen with ghost. Ghost also leave no bodies. Just with the Phoenix name we have some lore of a entity rising from the ashes. Because we start with the lore that Phoenix ash can harm Eve implies this has happened before. Elias Finch seemed unaware of his ashes unique toxicness and value that he may have offered for humanity. Wild Speculation : What if the Phoenix was like a supernatural reincarnation of someone that escaped hell or purgatory. something very rare and unnatural to the order of things as far as Eve was concerned. I think the Phoenix was human at some prior time died and somehow went to purgatory and got out. We have Dean , Benny , Castiel , Leviathans , Eve and Dr. Eleanor all escape as examples and ALL are done differently. The Phoenix escapes in a different way and unknowingly attains some special mojo that is unnaturally hyper toxic to Eve but nothing but ashes to Dean. Perhaps some of that purgatory portal that Purgatorians are not to go through was manifested into the phoenix. Dean drank maybe a few cubic centimeters of that ash , then whatever was in his blood when Eve bit him , to infect him mind you , not drink him , this is an incredibly toxic material to eve on the order of countable atoms , so likely that magic purgatory portal or wall is involved with a Phoenix.
Perhaps Eve is Chuck’s first attempt at creating a Leviathan. A sort of experimental Demi-leviathan, scorned by both God and her wide mouthed relatives.
The way Eve was summoned, and had all the fiery aspects in it, and that only the dragons seemed to talk to her, and were the ones to summon her, made me think Eve was basically the first dragon. God took what he learned from the Leviathans, and created a new beast similar to them but not as hungry. Using the same formula, causing her to have the black blood as well. Kind of a hybrid Dragon/Leviathan. The Alpha Vamp tells the Levi Edgar "we come from you", to which Edgar replies "barely". The companion book to Season 6 doesnt say that Eve "created" the Phoenix. It was born inside of her like a cancer and she cast it out of her. She didnt mean to create it. The phoenix might have been a fail safe from God incase she went the same route the Levis did, the humans would have a way to kill her as well.
i think that Eve could well be the result of God learning from his previous creations. Levis are powerful, smart and lethal, but their tendancy to eat every other cell in the petri-dish is a problem for the God of creating stuff. Humans have the potential to care about others and his perfect creation of the Human soul is uniquely theirs. so... why not slam their DNA together at high speed? this would also give the Levis side the ability to procreate and make more souls, and the human side the ability to be born with new and interesting differences.
My theory is that when Edgar called Eve a "pathetic mutt", that is very telling since a "mutt" is generally classified as a dog that is a combination of different breeds. I think that Eve in that context may be related to the leviathan, but in the way that she is possibly the offspring of a leviathan and a human.
I think it's implied that Eve was a weaker variant by that other leviathan that was killed by the Alpha Vampire. That or genesis has a curnel of truth in that she was created as a hybrid of leviathan and human.
I know the Vampires in purgatory did not hunger. Purgatory's effect on hunger was probably designed for the hunger of the Leviathans. It was strong enough to stop or extremely diminish the hunger of leviathans. So any other creature that went there who's hunger was not as extreme would not hunger at all.
the silhouette or true form of alt world Michael when he was possessing dean was under used, i wish we got to see gods or aramas supernatural form through an angels eyes (if they did have one and its not just pure light and darkness)
In kabbalistic lore, Lilith is the mother of monsters. Obviously in Supernatural Eve and Lilith are not the same being, but Eve's characteristics do match Lilith from many texts.
I could have sworn that god and Eve created the leviathans together. They were his first creation. Which puts her in the death, Amar, god, abyss camp. Oh look 5 things the Colt can't kill.
Huh? The 5 things in all of creation, excludes the creator(s), And we learn there's 5 things the colt can't kill from lucifer and thus archangels are confirmed to be outside of the colt's abilities, leaving 4 others.
i had a theory that Eve was made by chuck to populate earth with animals and build stable, adaptable ecosystems for him since he like to be hands off on the "little stuff". when chuck introduced humans eve was like "i can do better than that" and made dragons or something. chuck was like "i'm gonna need you to not do that but thanks, these are pretty cool". but eve just couldn't stop trying make "better" versions of humans, at first in an effort to show how flawed chucks creations were, and later just to be spiteful.
"i am the mother of all monsters" gets killed 3 episodes later,ya thats believable,the monsters she creates are more durable then her :P but i like the overall story of this.
A good comparison to Eve and the Leviathans would be Seath the Scaleless and The Everlasting Dragons of Dark Souls. Seath is the same race as the everlasting dragons, but he was born without the stone scales of immortality that made the dragons everlasting. This gave him unique weaknesses and advantages over his stone-laden kin. He was mortal, but he could also use magic and understand speech. He was a "mutt" to his race but was a lord among the realm of the gods and their age of fire. This is very similar to eve and the leviathans. Also, to the comment about Lovecraft, he was not a lifelong racist. he did eventually overcome the bigotry ingrained in him by his aunts and became a more open-minded person.
I think she’s related to them but not 100% genetically more like a distance Cousin ! Also Egar spoke as if he’s stronger than her but I don’t think he’s that much more stronger she didn’t seem to fear or care about their existence I’m guessing due to her ability to make monsters they wouldn’t be able to just flat out defeat her Either.
I think that there is a clue in her name Eve, what if she is the Eve to Adam and was therefor sent to pergertory as punishment for eating from the forbidden fruit, but God went all Zeus on her and distorted her into the monster that the Winchesters run in with.
I have a question about the leviathans. How were there dead leviathans in purgatory, from which thse leviathan blossom sprang? Were those the leviathans that were bipped in season 7 or leviathans that were eaten by other leviathans in purgatory?? This is such a weird thing. I mean the whole purgatory thing was confusing, like what happens to a monster that gets killed in purgatory or how did dean survive a year without eating there? I doubt he was eating monster meat.
There is a theory that Monsters that killed in purgatory gets send back to same again and again. When the Angels mess a forbidden power source that screw everything up.
I really like this theory, it surely is better than what we got. Eve was such an interesting character, so have her character be so underused in the show is pretty annoying. I wish we got much much more of her.
Hears a thought to consider, when the boys bind death to kill Casteil. Death says the leviathans are older than souls, what if one of the major differences between Eve and the leviathans is that Eve has a soul. Not necessarily a human soul, but the first monster with a soul. This may also explain how she maintains power over the leviathan, just as Crowley became far more powerful when he became king of hell, and other angels can tap in to the power of souls, she can tap in to the power of monster souls, which the leviathan cannot.
Interesting idea!
This might be true, but Edgar wanted to imply that Eve was less powerful than them
Just a mutated Leviathan.
I don't remember where but somewhere I read that Eve was 1/2 Leviathan and 1/2 pagan god.
I think it was "supernatural wiki" and that info was NOT in the show, BUT was in the book series.
@@archam777 This makes much more sense.
I really like the idea of Eve essentially being the jail warden of Purgatory. It would explain so much. For example, if she and by extension, her children are related to Leviathan then it could also explain why Monsters generally hunger for human flesh and their ability to spread keeps a steady stream of souls as food for Purgatory.
If we extend the theorizing a bit further, the idea that God created her to be a caretaker for Purgatory could also explain why the angels never did anything about the monsters, despite clearly having the power to wipe them out and the job being to watch over humanity. If Eve first came to Earth and started making monsters after God went missing, it's possible the angels did not wipe out her monsters after she got banished back to Purgatory because they didn't know if God intended for these things to exist or not and didn't want to accidentally go against his will. This of course assumes that the angels, at least Michael and Raphael, knew about Eve and why she exists. And a tangentially related idea: if a nephilim or group of nephilim was somehow responsible for letting Eve out of Purgatory for the first time, it would explain why angels hate and mistrust nephilim so much. They might have decided to do nothing about the monsters and let history just play out, but that doesn't mean they would be happy about the existence of monsters and the threat they pose to Mankind.
Eve throwing a bit too much spice on a batch of Dragons making the Phoenix has me cackling.
"Oh shii these too spicy"
The cowboy phoenix is pretty sweet though😂
I’m glad there’s still someone doing SPN discussion vids in 2023, despite having been ended for years now.
nope but yes there is a new series called the winchesters that has ended but it was great overall
@@DoctorErikaIt was? I haven't seen it but when it came out I heard otherwise.
There's rumors that it might come back now that Walker is cancelled.
I hope 🙏🏻 it'll come back tho you never know there's discussion about it!! It could come back.
@@WhatWhy42let's pray it will come back 🙏🏻 😢
I like to think that "Eve" is actually the original human. As in Adam.
I think that after she was banished. She rebelled. And then created the monsters.
Which makes sense since in season 15 Adam has a new girlfriend.
Also we know Adam is magical, since his rib bone was part of the spell that can kill God.
And their son was kane.
That’s seems valid and makes more since
The Mark of Caine
I came here to say something similar, and also Lilith is the first woman created and didn't want Adam she wanted Lucifer so then he created Eve and still the same thing happened, no human can be told who or what they are. The original free will gang!
@florence, I have to disagree with you, maybe her real name is Lilith Adams first wife, but because she was prideful and wouldn't submit to Adam god created the first succubus Lilith. When she was killed, god banished her and she took the name Eve to spite God and become the mother of all monsters. Like Eve became the mother of all humans and to mock Eve and God, she Lilith who goes by Eve, allowed the Alphas to turn the true Eves children into her stepchildren, mocking God.
Two different women!
My personal theory on eve is that she is eve from the beginning and becomes what she is when she ate the forbidden fruit and it was intentional by chuck so that she becomes the warden that the Levi’s needed
Yes, finally someone that speaks my language !! Eve is adam's wife, the wife that God made for him after lucifer corrupted Lilith
@@DannyDJ1205 Then later on, Adam has an angel Serafina as his new beloved. That is another example saying not everything in Supernatural match the story to the bible. I mean Adam's first wife would have to be Eve and then when Adam was forced to move on with his life, Adam ended up having Serafina as his 2nd wife.
Surely she is, otherwise why give her such a well known name. They would have known who people would think of in this context, if an ancient character was called Eve.
I like the idea, but that would make her younger than the angels, which doesn't make sense, unfortunately, because that would be pretty awesome.
Well, unless Eve was something else first, and then Chuck gave her a chance to be human or something, before turning her back after eating the fruit. It would have to be something like that for it to work💁🏻♀️
@@hp2546Actually, Serafina would have been Adam’s third wife because Lilith was Adam’s first. This was confirmed by Eric Kripke when talking about Lilith saying “She is generally esteemed as one of the first demons, certainly the first female demon, so were kind of holding to that; we keep in our heads that that's really what she is, that she very well might have been Adam's first wife and was banished to become a demon.” That’s from Supernatural The Official Companion Season 3.
I actually really like this explanation. Even though it's not listed as canon I think you took all the things that are canon and assembled it and filled it in to a way that makes sense with it.
It felt like given the leviathans they were the first monsters but were deemed a failure due to their insatiable appetite
Eve was the perfected version of them cuz shes very similar in nature, however she was satisfied with a balance of monsters and hunters, until crowley and cass did what they did
Maybe she was the one in control of the leviathan before roman and killing her destabilized purgatory causing a power vacuum
@@KarltheBarloff topic statement,no leviathans came first and are a little bit older than eve so that new retcon of leviathan are eve’s children is a biased statement and should not exist, and it’s a shame that we didn’t get to see eve ever again except mentioning her in purgatory.
@@KarltheBarlno cuz even edgar talked down about her as if she was above her, which is true eve is hard to kill but compared to the leviathans who needed a literal god stone telling how to kill any of them, cuz unlike eve they were that dangerous, and were borderline immortal the only beings that were powerful enough to kill a leviathan that wasn’t on gods lvl was probably the archangels and one of their own, they could easily kill one another, but they were powerful enough to easily kill angels, even eve felt the need to depowered castiel, but no levy ever feared angels in fact they all seemed scared of the levys, but archangels are on another lvl so they would probably be powerful enough to kill them too they just happened to all be gone by the time we saw the levys
I think that Chuck replaced the leviathans with monsters by changing their formula and creating Eve so she can spread monsters in order to control the human/animal population.
And the Alpha Vampire said that he was there(earth) when humans discovered the fire
I don't think there was a logical reason for the existence of monsters, they don't serve some kind of natural order, they're merely obstacles and threats for a good story for his amusement
"Yo these humans BASED"
- Eve, mother of monsters
The theory that Eve accidentally killed herself by destroying a phoenix she created makes perfect sense. I imagine that Chuck put a failsafe in Eve in case she designed monsters beyond Chuck's realm of power. Such as true immortality. Her creations like werewolves and vampires still have weaknesses. She tested the Phoenix's immortality and some of the Ash got in her mouth and she killed herself. I think that makes more sense
I like to think of Eve as the Alpha Leviathan, who just has special abilities due to how old she is.
Dick Roman was the one that everyone followed on Earth, because Eve was "dead".
She wasn't dead, she was just sent back to purgatory, same as dick roman.
No really dead,she just in the depths of purgatory
The actress that played Eve was hot
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*I also think the actress's name was Julia Maxwell*
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Eve creating a phoenix is like Medusa creating the Pegasus
Medusa didn't create Pegasus... he spawn drom her blood as she died...
@@a.t.o.mworkshop6409 thus, creating him as her son
@@a.t.o.mworkshop6409 matt got you there lol
Another way of saying it is like Eve creating phoenixes is like people creating guns
Edgar once called Eve "A mutt. Barely one of us."
I'm certain that Eve is a unique variant of Leviathan. I won't take the Phoenix Ash weakness too seriously, since when that was written they hadn't thought of the Leviathans yet, but I'm assuming that weakness is unique to Eve.
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They introduced her with Dragons, which as far as i know weren't used again, which in concept could have been extremely powerful.
I always thought Eve was a leviathan but found ways to acquire more power that allowed her to transend into a higher being.
Ive been hoping for a mew video! And yes eve! So excited im commenting before i watch more than 30 seconds of this lol
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I love how in super natural, theres literal gods and ascended beings, and two guys who reckon something who just go around murdering all of them because the plucky human spirit
I'm sure it's real on some earth in one of the realms.
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I don't remember where but somewhere I read that Eve was 1/2 Leviathan and 1/2 pagan god.
Glad someone is covering what the fuck eve is
YES!! Finally, thank you! :D Eve is so underrated
Yeah I also agree. Eve really wasn't evil, but more as like. I'm so over this crap & situations 🤣😂.
But anyway yeah I wish supernatural did let the fans know what type of creature eve really is and what her true purpose is.! 🤔.
But now we would never know. And even in The Winchester series about the Multiverse. Who is God? And is Jack is some how a god in all Reality throughout the Multiverse or not?
My personal headcanon is that Eve is actually Echidna, the Mother of Monsters in Greek Mythology. The two have a lot of similarities. They're both monstrous women who have birthed a ton of monsters, they both have a lot of power, and they're both immortal. It just makes a lot of sense to me.
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I'm new to the channel but I'm curious if there's an episode talking about Sam's powers?
I personally like that theory
"If you're watching this video but for some reason have not watched the show"
Me: deeply afraid but also extremely fascinated by horror et al and watching videos like this is the only way I can get that fix.
I’ll forever be sad how eve was poorly wasted by Eric kripke the writer or whoever wrote that episode,we didn’t even get to know her character enough and all they gave us was 3 episodes, cmon how is it possible for them to give demons and angels episodes to last longer than eve, if you ask me, she should be brought back and learn about her backstory and more.
Erik left the show after s5, so no. It wasn't him.
@@KING_ZODINEUS then who was it that wasted the character, ik Eric kripke was somehow involved but not with the idea of killing off the character that quick so I’m still questioning who it was that did it?
@evergreens0173 Kripe wanted to end the show at s5, but everyone, the producers, the showrunners, the cast, the fans and even the channel didn't wanted to end the show. So he left after S5 and let the producers take over, Robert Simger was the one leading along with the producers and even some actors like Jensen (Dean) and Richard (Gabriel) went and helped. The use some of Kripe scratched ideas for a while, them they had to be creative, we can see the big difference after season 5. So probably Robert Singer dispatch Eve so fast. Who knows.
I really wish they would of just called her Echidna
Are you a Hercules/Xena fan ? Lol Echidna mother of all monsters.
Married to Typhon, or otho
@@johnroe6455 Tiamat is also known as the "Mother of Monsters" in Babylonian myth. Though more specifically, she and Apsu (that's Bahamut to my WOTC's out there) created the first gods of Babylonian myth.
I honestly would've been content had they named her either Tiamat or Echidna.
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My biggest curiosity about the creatures is when we get to the changelings/shape shifters.
They go their whole lives changing their shapes, but do they have a base shape for themselves? Like they get birthed out as their original selves, and they start changing from there. So, would/could/should there be some kind of subconscious template of what they would have looked like in their very first form?
Because I doubt they go through their lives constantly changing what they look like after people they encounter without even being curious about what they would have looked like originally or tried to make their own look.
Honestly i dont understand why the winchesters did not agree to work with eve in killing crowley considering she didnt have any diabolical plans and just wanted him dead its likely eve would have went back to purgatory after or did what the alphas do and just Fd off to someplace to live quietly and observe the world.
I’d hope you cover the types of monsters from supernatural
Eve was my favorite, wish we had seen more of her
I like your informed theories! Thanks for sharing them with us.
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As a huge fan of all things mythical and occult from cultures around the world Supernatural is by far my favorite TV series on the subjects. So happy I found your channel, I have so many thoughts on the show. You answered the big ones, Chuck and Eve. I agree with you Chuck is not God, a sibling of the true God and Amera. I think he was the Middle one, who lost their parents attention after the third one was born. Your Eve hypothesis I am not so sure about it, but it is food for thought. Thank you for the work you have done. I wish I could afford those books. May I request a video, the other gods, who made them, how are the so powerful? Thank you.
13:42 i never knew that this monster was a rugaru. I always thought this was a werewolf that looked like this because they were in purgatory and because of that it revealed his „trueform“. Damn those rugaru are some ugly things 😅😂
it still puzzles me if this Eve was as in Adam and Eve, or a different one., like she was named Eve because she is the mother of all monters like how Eve was the mother of humanity
Since they've used other people from that time like Cain it's not completly unlikely, but I think in this case she's just named Eve because 1. it sounds good with all the bible talk and 2. because she is the mother of monsters like Eve was for humanity, like you said. Making her the actual Eve from the bible would imply that either she is human or every human after Eve is at least partly a monster, which I don't think is the case.
They were two different women people!.
*Eve rest in peace 🏳*
*She was a character very poorly explored by the script of the series, she appeared little deserved to have a full season*
I clicked on the video, and on your first question I could only find myself saying "dragons!" which got even less lore and screen time than Eve. Eve was definitely a close second for me, as she was supposed to be super important. Though I think this stems from SPN having supposed to only last 5 seasons. But they kept it going, and she seemed kind of like filler glue to tie story elements together. Though I will say, I haven't finished the video yet so I am curious if you mention that haha
Edit - he didnt, but he did dive into dragons a little bit but my curiosity is not sated. Subscription still earned!
In series Edgar says Eve was a Mutt, he says she barely a Leviathan. This why I think God allows her stay in the Earth realm and give birth all those kinds of monsters.
She is the mother of monsters in a literal way. It is sort of like the "which came first chicken or the egg" idea. He didn't just make Leviathans aka chickens He made Eve and used her to make "Eggs". Eve would be the only creature God made as an " adult" creature and she made all the "eggs" that became the monsters allowing them to grow up learn and adapt....evolution type things happen .
Yes! I totally agree! They could have really done some interesting things with Eve. I really liked this character and would have loved to have seen where they would have taken this story line.
And I could have done without all the leviathan season...🙄 Not my favorite Supernatural monsters.
I think she was created by God to replace the Leviathans on earth. She's probably only part Leviathan so they hate her and see her as inferior. After Dick's death its likely she was able to take control over them after a war or something idk.
This makes SO much since
I'm kind of wanting them to bring the show back and I have a way that they can do it Chuck is human now so therefore he would have a soul so when he dies you know he's not going to heaven however he would still have all the knowledge of having been god so he dies and goes to hell takes over from Crowley's mom uses his knowledge to speed up the process of becoming a demon and the demon chuck with all the knowledge he would have would surely be able to be a universe ending threat
He’s “human”, but it’s unclear if he has a soul or not. When Cas (and Anna and Metatron) became “human”, I’m pretty sure they didn’t have a soul, and I always thought Chuck’s outcome was pretty much the same; a powerless “entity”, that’s pretty much a “human”, but with no soul. And because of that, I always thought, if he were to die as a “human”, he’d end up in the Empty, not Heaven or Hell.
If they were to bring Supernatural back, I always thought The Empty would’ve made the villain, not Chuck again.
@@ooo8430 well the reason I think he does is because Metatron told Castiel when he died as a human when he got back to heaven to come tell him about his life so I'm thinking he probably does and that would be a great way to bring the original show because "Chuck as a demon with the knowledge of God would be a very big bad"
@@captainjellicoe1701e Well remember this: when Metatron became a human he still know about spells and etched.
He also try to stop The Darkness , he probably would be succeeded if The darkness wasn't god sister a.k.a the other- half of God Himself.
So yeah I also believe if their do it right.
God/ chuck would still know how to used magic and spells.
Hell the boys learn a spell to trap death Himself.
Imagine what type of spell that chuck know and can do.
Yes Crowley say to the boys/the brothers saying that was Lucifer who was using a powerful spells to hold death. However sam cut him off quickly by saying a spells is still an spells.
Meaning you don't have to be all powerful to used a powerful spells or magic.
So yeah chuck being a human to turn into a demon or something else altogether.
Chuck may get his power back or something else!?🤔
If their wanted chuck to make an come back.
@@gabrielhughes8221 I don't think he would get God level Powers again I'm just thinking he would be able to get more powerful than a night of Hell type demon because he would still have all the knowledge of having been God and use that knowledge to augment whatever Powers he got on top of being a demon so I withdraw saying he might be a Universe ending threat but he can still be a big threat at least
@@captainjellicoe1701e Yeah probably. Whether he get his God power back or some type of a gods-like powers. It hard to say and pinpoint. Remember knowledge is power and chuck got that knowledge. Whether their decided to downplay chuck again or not.
Because the series into ended to soon and to crazy. So much their have to make Jack some how defeated chuck who acting like chucky lol 😂🤣😅.
Was kinda stupid and and very dumb.
But yeah, remember what Crowley mom say when she got the book of damn. You never know or see what a witch can do with real magic, again it talking about the knowledge of true magic. She is pretty OP. In the mainstream universe in supernatural and also her counterpart in a different timeline. She seem powerful and knowledgeable enough to help out in her own way to stop a big threat.
Meaning she didn't act like it would be the end of the world for her. When she give home girl that magic item.
Again chuck may be that type of person if their decided to bring him back and wanted him to make his moved.
First I'd like to say I am enjoying your videos. I just discovered them and I am viewing them in order. It's nice to see content about Supernatural since like most fans I miss the show. I do think you're a little off on this one though. Like a few others mentioned I think Eve is Adam's wife. Just a couple reasons I think this is because Supernatural incorporated both Adam and Cain as well as Adam's first wife Lilith so it would make since that they would include Eve in some fashion. God was extremely upset with Eve so he wouldn't have allowed her to enter heaven and since Lucifer corrupted her I don't think he would have allowed her to enter hell either because that would've pleased Lucifer. The nothing or purgatory were the other options. The shadow ruled the nothing so purgatory would have been the logical decision. Thus God made Eve the warden for purgatory. God would have had to give her special abilities to control the leviathan. That combined with what she gained after eating from the tree of knowledge would have combined to make her the Eve we saw. Having the knowledge of all good and evil would have given her immense knowledge of magic and mystical creation. It would also make sense that she used the essence of the first monsters to create her monsters which would explain the comments about them being related. However she was able to create monsters without using their essence while continuing to create new monsters as we saw. I think she referred to leviathan as her children the same way foster and adoption mothers do for the children placed in their care. Which may also explain Edgar's response to the Alpha about them being related. It may also explain why leviathan and monsters didn't like each other. But that could also be explained by the fact that leviathan saw monsters as beneath them and of course monsters didn't like leviathan because they were the only creature that fed on them. While using leviathan essence may explain why monsters fed on humans it may also simply be that Eve created them that way to punish humans. She may have been angry at God but also she may have been angry, resentful and jealous due to the fact that she gave birth to the first humans after her and Adam yet humans worship God and other entities rather than her. I do agree with your thoughts on the dragons and phoenix. I think the dragons were her first creations so they became her heralds like Angels were for God. Then when men began killing the dragons she wanted to make them immortal which made them resurrect like the phoenix does. The fact their ashes could harm her was an unintentional aspect, which would explain why she didn't give that ability to any of the others. It would also make since that when they died they went purgatory instead of hell or heaven since they were Eve's creations rather that God's. Sorry my thoughts were so long but thanks for making the videos.
So my theory is she’s an old god, the show pretty much has stated that with enough believe in something it gains power. Eve is all the monster in the dark stories that predate most religions. Chuck first created leviathan’s to battle her and she lost getting banned to purgatory. Hence why the Leviathans hated monster and Eve.
What happened to the monsters that Michael powered up with his grace? Did they give the leviathans a better snack? Or could it give them a power boost?
I didn't know about this "official companion", is there a lot of awnsers to lore on them or is just loads of behind the scenes?
Funny she is in Percy Jackson
Anyone else HATE the name Jefferson Starships?
They just seems to be pointless
I like this video except for the Phoenix bit.
Facts : The Phoenix species is hyper rare or just quiet and not causing problems. The only Phoenix example we have is a poor sap some humans started a fight with , murdered his wife , then corrupt cops got him. He clearly had some love for his human wife. This is not monster behavior. Also the Phoenix death was more supernaturally dramatic than any of Eves children , it was more like the leviathan's leader death or an angel death , but also did not leave a body like Death's death. The Phoenix also did not like iron like ghost. The Phoenix was of a sound mind and body unlike ghost.
Speculation : There was no body left behind so that rules out possession and monster. The Iron allergy is something largely seen with ghost. Ghost also leave no bodies. Just with the Phoenix name we have some lore of a entity rising from the ashes. Because we start with the lore that Phoenix ash can harm Eve implies this has happened before. Elias Finch seemed unaware of his ashes unique toxicness and value that he may have offered for humanity.
Wild Speculation : What if the Phoenix was like a supernatural reincarnation of someone that escaped hell or purgatory. something very rare and unnatural to the order of things as far as Eve was concerned. I think the Phoenix was human at some prior time died and somehow went to purgatory and got out. We have Dean , Benny , Castiel , Leviathans , Eve and Dr. Eleanor all escape as examples and ALL are done differently. The Phoenix escapes in a different way and unknowingly attains some special mojo that is unnaturally hyper toxic to Eve but nothing but ashes to Dean. Perhaps some of that purgatory portal that Purgatorians are not to go through was manifested into the phoenix. Dean drank maybe a few cubic centimeters of that ash , then whatever was in his blood when Eve bit him , to infect him mind you , not drink him , this is an incredibly toxic material to eve on the order of countable atoms , so likely that magic purgatory portal or wall is involved with a Phoenix.
Perhaps Eve is Chuck’s first attempt at creating a Leviathan. A sort of experimental Demi-leviathan, scorned by both God and her wide mouthed relatives.
Lucky bastard, the Alpha Phoenix. Dude ain't going down like the rest of the bros.
Imagine getting to purgatory and learning it's a peice of Canada. REALLY?! Canada Chuck?
..nice video 👍 i need to watch this show anew
Can you do a video on Rowena essentially scaling her and talking about her origins and speculations about what she will be doing after death
The way Eve was summoned, and had all the fiery aspects in it, and that only the dragons seemed to talk to her, and were the ones to summon her, made me think Eve was basically the first dragon. God took what he learned from the Leviathans, and created a new beast similar to them but not as hungry. Using the same formula, causing her to have the black blood as well. Kind of a hybrid Dragon/Leviathan. The Alpha Vamp tells the Levi Edgar "we come from you", to which Edgar replies "barely".
The companion book to Season 6 doesnt say that Eve "created" the Phoenix. It was born inside of her like a cancer and she cast it out of her. She didnt mean to create it. The phoenix might have been a fail safe from God incase she went the same route the Levis did, the humans would have a way to kill her as well.
I vibe with the theory.
With my whole heart.
~_~
Can you do a video on the alphas or the dragons please
i think that Eve could well be the result of God learning from his previous creations.
Levis are powerful, smart and lethal, but their tendancy to eat every other cell in the petri-dish is a problem for the God of creating stuff.
Humans have the potential to care about others and his perfect creation of the Human soul is uniquely theirs.
so... why not slam their DNA together at high speed?
this would also give the Levis side the ability to procreate and make more souls, and the human side the ability to be born with new and interesting differences.
My theory is that when Edgar called Eve a "pathetic mutt", that is very telling since a "mutt" is generally classified as a dog that is a combination of different breeds.
I think that Eve in that context may be related to the leviathan, but in the way that she is possibly the offspring of a leviathan and a human.
Edgar wasn't referring to eve, he was talking about the alpha vamp.
Eve older than humanity... and the angels so wrong.
It is not hard to think, that Eve is the original sin so banished, Adam appears, and no spoilers.
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I think it's implied that Eve was a weaker variant by that other leviathan that was killed by the Alpha Vampire. That or genesis has a curnel of truth in that she was created as a hybrid of leviathan and human.
I know the Vampires in purgatory did not hunger. Purgatory's effect on hunger was probably designed for the hunger of the Leviathans. It was strong enough to stop or extremely diminish the hunger of leviathans. So any other creature that went there who's hunger was not as extreme would not hunger at all.
the silhouette or true form of alt world Michael when he was possessing dean was under used, i wish we got to see gods or aramas supernatural form through an angels eyes (if they did have one and its not just pure light and darkness)
In kabbalistic lore, Lilith is the mother of monsters. Obviously in Supernatural Eve and Lilith are not the same being, but Eve's characteristics do match Lilith from many texts.
9:10 *How the hell did he know? Cheese it fellas its the fuzz!*
6:10 Eevee? 👀 you using an AI voice and didn't catch that typo?
EVE'S host was no way a virgin. That woman would have lines around her house. She's gorgeous.
I could have sworn that god and Eve created the leviathans together. They were his first creation. Which puts her in the death, Amar, god, abyss camp. Oh look 5 things the Colt can't kill.
Huh? The 5 things in all of creation, excludes the creator(s), And we learn there's 5 things the colt can't kill from lucifer and thus archangels are confirmed to be outside of the colt's abilities, leaving 4 others.
How can they know Eve and Leviathan weakness when they had long be imprison before human creation?
Lilith was the first demon
i had a theory that Eve was made by chuck to populate earth with animals and build stable, adaptable ecosystems for him since he like to be hands off on the "little stuff". when chuck introduced humans eve was like "i can do better than that" and made dragons or something. chuck was like "i'm gonna need you to not do that but thanks, these are pretty cool". but eve just couldn't stop trying make "better" versions of humans, at first in an effort to show how flawed chucks creations were, and later just to be spiteful.
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there are some sources suggests that Amara has something to do with her creation
"i am the mother of all monsters" gets killed 3 episodes later,ya thats believable,the monsters she creates are more durable then her :P
but i like the overall story of this.
Eve is a hybrid or a mutant of a leviathan is what that show runners said
You gotta do the pagan gods soon.
A good comparison to Eve and the Leviathans would be Seath the Scaleless and The Everlasting Dragons of Dark Souls. Seath is the same race as the everlasting dragons, but he was born without the stone scales of immortality that made the dragons everlasting. This gave him unique weaknesses and advantages over his stone-laden kin. He was mortal, but he could also use magic and understand speech. He was a "mutt" to his race but was a lord among the realm of the gods and their age of fire.
This is very similar to eve and the leviathans.
Also, to the comment about Lovecraft, he was not a lifelong racist. he did eventually overcome the bigotry ingrained in him by his aunts and became a more open-minded person.
I think she’s related to them but not 100% genetically more like a distance Cousin !
Also Egar spoke as if he’s stronger than her but I don’t think he’s that much more stronger she didn’t seem to fear or care about their existence I’m guessing due to her ability to make monsters they wouldn’t be able to just flat out defeat her Either.
What do you do to people you're insecure about? ofc slander them. Eve is definitely stronger than Edgar hell I think she's even stronger than Dick.
@@minmin8580 I think she's stronger but by some degree !
I think that there is a clue in her name Eve, what if she is the Eve to Adam and was therefor sent to pergertory as punishment for eating from the forbidden fruit, but God went all Zeus on her and distorted her into the monster that the Winchesters run in with.
I think she's supposed to be a cross between the biblical Eve and Echidna, the mother of all monsters from Greek mythology.
I was really expecting more out of this story
I wish they would of used those monsters Asmodeus was trying to release. Seemed Lucifer was also against them being released.
I have a question about the leviathans. How were there dead leviathans in purgatory, from which thse leviathan blossom sprang? Were those the leviathans that were bipped in season 7 or leviathans that were eaten by other leviathans in purgatory?? This is such a weird thing. I mean the whole purgatory thing was confusing, like what happens to a monster that gets killed in purgatory or how did dean survive a year without eating there? I doubt he was eating monster meat.
There is a theory that Monsters that killed in purgatory gets send back to same again and again. When the Angels mess a forbidden power source that screw everything up.
If Eve is the mother of monsters, she would be above the Leviathan. She is definitely stronger than the Leviathans.
What if she wanted to return home after having finished her work on earth and invented the phoenix to do just that?
I really like this theory, it surely is better than what we got. Eve was such an interesting character, so have her character be so underused in the show is pretty annoying. I wish we got much much more of her.
I believe she could make her own leviathans if she chooses too.
I just want to know what happened to the little kid that turned Cas into an action figure.
I don't understand, if Eve was always inside the purgatory and the first vampire was created by Eve, how was the first vampire not in purgatory?