The Racist Origins of Shang-Chi
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Shang-Chi's behind the scenes origin is extremely fascinating... but it's also a little racist.
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Honestly a British guy making a racist Chinese stereotype after consulting a Ouija Board is the most late 19th/early 20th century thing I’ve ever heard.
I would not dare to touch an Ouija board even with a meters long stick...And I am known for not even believing in this sort of thing but I rather take no risk.
@@krimsonkatt TBF the ouija just told him "Chinese man", and he was right that it made him rich and popular. The writer was the one being racist.
Hopefully he was doing opium or huffing ether at the same time.
@@christophergarcia9022
Poor Satan, getting all the blame.
@@belgiumcomics2537 “Oh, god! Is that a cheaply manufactured board game created by Hasbro? JESUS CHRIST! Get it away from me! I don’t usually believe in the supernatural but this children’s game must be REAL!”
"Fascinating and racist" That just sums up twitter perfectly
Yeah
Isn't there a meme where a guy says he used Twitter and became increasingly homophobic and racist?
Twitter is people trying so hard not to be racist that they’re basically just racist to everyone
@@plasmicchaos8544 racist to white people, you mean.
@@TheGr8one1022 chill with victim complex mate ,here is a safe space for you
I would LOVE for you to go over what the MCU would have originally been in its developmental stages
Iron man 1 has a deleted scene were Fury mentions Raimi's Spiderman and Fox's Xmen cause the og plan was for them to be a part of the first Avengers movie. Theres a lot of fascinating history that gets buried, that video would be dope
I remember getting the Spider-Man issue where he has his big rematch against Black tarantula while the Rose returns in 2001 that actually showed a time-table for what would later be known as the MCU phase 1. They even talked about the castings process, and the most memorable thing was that, before they had decided on RDJ, Tom Cruise was apparently the most likely candidate to become Tony Stark.
I wonder how that would've played out.
@@EnerKaizer back in 2001? Holy shit, the MCU is so much deeper than I thought
Shang Chi early years in a nutshell = “It was a different time…”
Luke Cage: Get in line kid
@Kanye Young
Billy Batson: Is this the line to get super powers? A strange man told me to follow him down this dark tunnel...
(Insert falcon here)
Black Lightning: Wait til you guys hear about the Brown Bomber.
@@brotherjustincrowe holy hell I remember reading and dying of laughter isn't his power becoming a black dude
One correction, the show Kung Fu was created by Bruce Lee. But in the original draft the show was called The Warrior. And then the show was changed to Kung Fu and then Warner Brothers cut Bruce Lee out of the creative process
Man, Kung Fu gets more and more interesting the more I look into it.
Matthew Polly (author of Bruce Lee: a life. The most detailed biography of the man) he details that Ed Spielman created the character of Caine and co wrote the movie with Howard Frielander in 1969 that became the movie and subsequent tv series. It is true that Bruce Lee was considered for the role of Caine and was passed over for various reasons including Hollywood racism im sure. However a Warner Brothers executive didn’t want to lose Lee to Paramount and offered him a deal to make his own tv series with an advance ready to start. That series would have been Ah Sahm later retitled The Warrior. Lee was working on his movie The Big Boss and wanted to see how it performed first before signing the deal. Big Boss was a smash hit and Lee decided to continue a career in movies.
This a common misinterpretation of events that’s gone on for years.
…just checking.
Okay, so I kind of doubted Shang-Chi. Like, A LOT. I felt like the only reason they were using him was because they probably can't use Iron Fist for a bit.
But no, the new Shang-Chi movie isn't just a publicity stunt or a plan to have an Iron Fist like character in the MCU until it's been long enough so they can actually use Iron Fist, it's an attempt to bring back a formerly popular and beloved character and also do something a bit different for the start of the MCU's new era. And frankly? I think that's really cool!
Kind of excited to watch the movie after seeing this. It already looked like a fun time, so, yeah, this helped.
Wait, of those ten original MCU films, the only project not slated to become a movie or tv show yet is Power Pack? I hope they get a Disney+ show TBH
As interesting as that sounds, I feel like there would be too many cringe “How are you doing fellow kids” moments.
@@_insomniac_423 I mean, they could try to write it like the comics, but that would imply that they realize that’s the way to go.
I wouldn't mind seeing a show that. I have no idea how they would approach that though.
I bet they will get a show or movie, but are just waiting until after the fantastic four movie comes out since Franklin Richards has a lot of stories with the power pack.
@@_insomniac_423 I mean, given how they write high schoolers in the Spider-Man movie I'd say they'd do a pretty decent job at avoiding the whole "How are you doing fellow kids" thing.
I've always known about the racist history around the yellow skin, Fu Manchu, having a white mother and few other things... Never heard about that Fu Manchu origin, ah, that classic British racism.
I'm so glad you mentioned the original "Phase O" of the MCU, because Kevin Feige wanted to get this movie off the ground for years, yet the powers that be kept sidelining it, and those same powers gave us the Iron Fist... debacle.
As of now, you can tell Marvel has been fixing this character the ground up for a year now, and doing a really good job at it with both the comic and the movie!
This reminds me of when Genndy Tartakovsky wrote a Luke Cage comic where he deliberately played up the character's old Blaxploitation origins.
Now I want a version of that with Shang-Chi.
I didn't know Genndy had a comic
@@Nzosaba_Matenge i think he's done one shots here and there over the years
Action Hank?
"The Asian character has to be half-white in order to make him palatable for mass audiences"
hollywood become all new kand of shitshow
@@chatleslorenzo6164 is*.
What's funny is when they actually don't, you get all the "woke garbage" comments. You know, cause the cast ain't all (mostly) white men. See Eternals comments for best, latest example. It's not like there was a ton of Eternals fans made cause they changed the characters...
Shang-Chi should’ve been a member of The Defenders. He would’ve been a good fit for the big city heroes.
Yea
i think he would be way to similar to iron fist for that.
Wasn't he in the avengers at one point in time or I am just making fake comic nostalgia
@@bruhboi7935 yea he was I dont know what comic thought
basically iron fist but not a whiny asshole lol
Doug Moench really wrote some compelling and extraordinary stories with the character. Moving from his faux Japanese Karate costume, Moench and some of his highly creative artist collaborators like Paul Gulacy, made modern spy craft and pulp noir epics that mixed martial arts, action, philosophy, and adventure.
Yeah, my introduction to Shang Chi was through their work. I was disappointed to not see any of it in the MCU adaption.
@@prajwaljayaraj5887 I was never expecting any, but yeah, I always wanted to see a Shang-Chi TV series done like the British Avengers (Steed & Peel). Mordillo's island in particular would've been fantastic to see!
Moench is an underrated comics writer imo
That was way better than the movie.
That "Stan Lee, no relation" bit killed me
Great insight in this video. I've been a Shang-Chi fan for a while, ever since hearing he was Marvel's premiere martial artist. Little do fans know that he's actually been a huge fixture of the MU for a decades and has crossed paths with many of Marvel's top characters. The issues from the 1970s - 1980s can be problematic especially with the epitome of Yellow Peril as one of the characters. However, rereading those issues, I was surprised at how progressive they could be. Shang is involved in a prominent romantic relationship for instance with Leiko Wu. I was also surprised to hear how he was always in the periphery of Marvel's movie production. I'm glad that after all of this time, he's finally getting recognition both in the comics and especially the MCU.
Power Pack absolutely deserves a movie based on the original Louise Simonson run. But it would be best if Franklin Richards is born first. See especially issues 16-28.
Wow, I just learned everything I wanted to know when I saw there was a movie coming out and hadn’t heard of Shang Chi… Thanks man!
I love Doorman. People try to make him sound lame but he rules
They just think his a one and done joke but theres lots to build with
As soon as I saw the trailers, I began reading his backstory and whatnot as soon as possible!
4:14 I've only heard the name "Fu Manchu" before in reference to the propaganda visual archetype, which I assume actually refers to depictions of East Asians inspired by the character. I had no idea before now that he was a singular copyrighted character. Hearing that Marvel got the rights to Fu Manchu produced the same reaction as if you told me they bought the rights to the Jewish schemer character. Before your explaination I didn't know that was a thing you could do, or something you'd even want if you weren't making Yellow Peril propaganda.
It is a big reason why fans understood his MCU father is now The Mandarin. Rights issues aside, Fu Manchu wouldn't really sit well with modern day cinema.
The original Fu Manchu character is actually somewhat progressive for the time. There’s some fetishisation of Asian culture, but the author’s heart was in the right place. The original movie adaptations are where it got racist af
@@cthulhutheendless1587 what made him progressive for his time?
@@cthulhutheendless1587 He's really a more interesting character than the heroes in the books, and honestly he works really well as a somewhat sympathetic villain. He's one of the smartest men alive, with advances in medicine, bio-engineering, and multiple other fields that are unmatched by anyone else at the time. He's fighting against the British, which is entirely understandable given that the Brits were first in line for the 'bend China over the table' train and they committed atrocities that make the worst of the insidious Doctor's actions look like children playing in the park. And you can explain the name 'Fu Manchu' as an ironic adoption of the racist epithet that the 'ignorant Britishers' gave to him in their intelligence circles. "Let them call me what they will. Regardless, my name is what will be whispered in the backrooms, in the halls of power, in the ears of the imperialists when the knife sinks into their backs! If they call me Fu Manchu, then they name their death. And I assure you, it is a death well earned."
@pious83 He will fit just fine.His just a character, and a interesting one at that. Plus he appeared in The League Of Extraordinary Gentleman comic.
I figured as much for his backstory. Honestly, not only I'm not impressed but I also feel like "asian martial artist" is, today, an outdated trope. Hope they tackle it properly.
Any chance we can get a video on the Mandarin? I’d love to hear you talk about Wen Wu.
Why does the racist have a question mark? His original origin was incredibly racist because of flipping Fu-Man-Chu!
Shang-Chi's original comic run ran for a huge length of time and for a large number of issues, much longer than most of the B-list Marvel characters' solo titles from the 70s. That speaks volumes.
the amount of love and research that go into these videos is honestly amazing
*You know what? DOORMAN is the kind of character that the MCU could turn into someone cool.* His abilities allow him to phase through objects and create a rift between space-time. He's like a Combo of Kitty Pride and Blink. And if he was adapted I bet people would prefer him more than most X-men.
Nah i'd rather have those two since theyre interesting characters and not just a one note joke
If anything i would be great as a TDK type cannon fodder
I personally would leave him pretty jokey, at least when he first appears as the comic he's from were suppose to be really terrible & jokey, but yeah making him end up legitimately really cool would be great. He did become an angel of death working for a cosmic deity similar to DEATH ITSELF in the comics after all.
@@ironmaster6496 He cant be a canon fodder because of how his abilities work. He's a hole in space 🤣
I really wanna see dot in the MCU or maybe in the newest Spiderman movie big wheel as just a stupid little cameo for the fans
But trust me there are way weirder characters
Example:wet works, King Tut,and hammer man(not to be mixed up with the glorious hammerhead)
I'd love to see him get the suicide squad treatment; a campy, overly comic-book-y character, modernized yet still attached to their over-the-top roots
I honestly don't get how you only have 360k subs. Like you put so much effort and research into all of your vids. So keep up the good work
crossing my fingers for an eventual Power Pack movie after Fantastic Four introduces Franklin
I started reading some Shang Chi comics on Marvel Unlimited, so I would've loved some reading recommendations for Shang Chi. I'm really enjoying it, but my free time is limited.
The love for everything comics in the medium is your power. It's just your opinion but it makes us talk about it. Keep it up
My first introduction to him was as a guest star in X-Men (Vol.2 #62 - #64). He even gets a brief backstory summary. As they likely assumed anyone reading X-Men in 1997, might not have heard of Shang Chi. It is quite a good story too, with really nice art. Plus.. Bandana Wolverine.
great video, about a great character that I sadly didn't know enough about
Yeah I too am happy that Shang Chi is coming into mainstream. I only recently learned about him I would say 3 years ago. He is badass. I need more martial arts action in the MCU.
Love both the mug you have in this video and the gigantic one that I believe appeared in the video about the various characters who took up the mantle of Captain America.
Simu Liu: I was wondering if we can make a Shang-Chi movie...
Marvel: Yes
Liu: But I...
Marvel: Lets do it, you have no idea how long we wanted to do this.
Keep it up on your work and this channel
Shang chi should be included in marvel vs Capcom,his main gimmick in his move list is to have hyper version of custom and chain combo, perfect for noobs who want to button smash and advanced players who wanted a execution heavy character
"... That Bruce Lee's widow, Linda Lee, actually called up Stan Lee (no relation) ..." - comedy gold 👌
EXCELSIOR! Thanks buddy i learned quite a bit in this video. And got my Shang-Chi tickets in 3D !!! 🕸🕷🕸
Shang Chi is gonna be amazing
People aren't hyped enough for it
Doubt it
@@sheerheartattack3867 Who cares, it's a Marvel movie. They're gonna go see it.
@@krimsonkatt black panther was a great movie and u know it u racist dumbass
@@krimsonkatt What makes you think a movie that doesn't even have a trailer will automatically be bad? And of course Black Panther is memorable, it's the first ever big budget superhero movie with a vast majority black cast (whereas Blade, though good, is still majority white characters and had a budget just over 1/5 of BP's).
I haven't watched in probably 3 years. Haven't kept up with superhero schtuff. Biggup to this guy for pullin proper views. Great channel. Bless comic drake
Great video!
Great Video Drake.
Fu Manchu is such a fascination topic to read about. The strangest thing being he’s somehow still copywrited. So many villains are inspired by him: the Mandrin, Shang Tsung from Mortal Kombat, Ra’s Al Ghul, and most famously Ming the Merciless from Flash Gordon. If Taika Waititi’s Flash Gordon movie ever gets made I’m curious how he’ll handle Ming.
So hyped for this movie!
This may be a very unpopular opinion... but I actually really like Fu Manchu. When you look past the offensive stereotypes, Fu Manchu is one of the first supervillains in literature and one of the first intelligent Asian characters written by a Western author. He's brilliant, sophisticated, and honorable, all traits that I honestly love in my villains. He even once sent a wedding gift to his nemesis. Don't get me wrong, I totally get the MCU changing the identity of Shang-Chi's father and I have no problem with it or people who can't see Fu Manchu as anything else than problematic. There are just things I still like about Fu Manchu despite those issues.
Growing up Asian in a predominantly non-Asian community, Fu-Manchu was basically a slur hurled at me when kids were feeling creative. So you can kinda see why it upsets many people of Asian descent.
@@daeviant Yeah, I totally get it and it being used as a slur against you is completely unacceptable even if I still like some of the character's traits. I am so sorry for what you had to go through.
I mean, they could do that stuff without the stereotypes rigth?
@@an8strengthkobold360 They pretty much have with the Mandarin, who who was actually influenced by Fu Manchu before Fu Manchu became a Marvel character. And the Mandarin is somewhat a problematic character as well, but some writers have done a lot to develop him beyond his more stereotypical beginnings. I was not surprised that they turned the Mandarin into Shang-Chi's father in the MCU and I had even predicted it, since it was honestly the safest route that they could have gone.
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Hey Drake, great video! I was wondering if you could make a video about the Inhumans. I'm a little confused about who they are and how they really got their powers.
Shang-Chi is one of my top lower levelers, glad he's getting his movie.. Nice shout out to Comicvine.
I had been waiting for a Shang Chi movie since Yoo Ping Yuen movie was in development & i was excited too cause he worked on my favorite Wuxia film "Iron Monkey"
Shang Chi's early years seem to have been a very interesting era..............
Drake... where did you get those Cyclops sunglasses I need them now.
0:16 Great Lake Avengers video confirmed?
I'd really like a video about the original MCU plans
I would like to see a Shang chi movie in the same vein as Jackie Chan,and the coreagraphy of the Shang chi movie was seem way better that most mcu movies
Great video.
Great job
I just realized that there is a Fullmetal alchemist insignia 😊
Ironically, I know about doorman by how much people talking about how unknown he is #MakeDoorManPopular
MCU Great Lake Avengers. Make it happen, Feige!
same
I want a Great Lakes Avengers show
The GLA would honestly make a great Marvel film / TV show, really fit with the MCU's tone & their niche of "Terrible knock-off avengers who're just trying their best" is really nice & currently unfilled.
@@zachariahmerry2396 With Ryan Reynolds as the director
I really like the fight in the shang-chi movie I also pray he can still use 10 rings I loved those things
Can't wait to watch it but not looking forward to people asking what I thought about the movie or if I know kung fu and no, I don't know kung fu.
I love your content! Keep going! F the haters.
The movie was great. Shang-Chi's gonna be a fan-favorite character in the MCU moving forward.
Awesome video, would love to see something about the Avengers game expansion War for Wakanda but I know interest in the game is low so I’d understand passing on it
You've been taking creative writing lessons from the woman who had She-Hulk, a lawyer, crash a prisoner transport vehicle, possibly injuring if not killing the cops just so the criminal's victim can get revenge, possibly endangering the victim?
That aside, very interesting video. I really wish though we were getting a more grounded Shang film in the vein of gritty 70s martial arts grindhouse instead of what looks like a razzle dazzle of chi, though I'd like to see emphasis on his mastery of it to a respectable extent and a much better costume. Plus a team up film or even better, a TV series with Luke Cage and Iron Fist. But hopefully the movie will at least be fun.
That first thing seems pretty standard in super heros comics.
Henchman, gaurds, cops, goons, ect are treated like RPG enemies.
@@an8strengthkobold360 She-Hulk is a publicly known lawyer, so her actions in aforementioned comic would possibly endanger her practice and reputation. She's not in the same position like say Spidey or Batman, but even THEN, those characters make sure police or bystanders aren't harmed.
0:11 I'm gonna call them: Robot Armed Jimmy and his sidekick; Robo Karen
I doubt it would be popular, but I'd love a Power Pack retrospective.
1) You forgot to mention that _Deadly Hands of Kung Fu_ was a B&W magazine. They had several B&W titles where they could have stories outside the limitations imposed by the Comics Code.
2) I was reading _Master of Kung Fu_ as it was being published. Paul Gulacy was the artist for many issues, and his style was unique, appealing, and creative.
3) It never made sense to me that they would license Fu Manchu. Most folks by then didn't know who he was. Culturally, those who did were beginning to view him (correctly) as a racist stereotype. Why spend money to tie one of your heroes to that mostly unknown baggage?
4) Bruce Lee was up for the part of Caine in the _Kung Fu_ TV series. (He had also proposed _The Warrior_ as a television series about a martial artist in the old west.) Instead, the part went to David Carridine because ABC executives didn't want an Asian man to lead a TV series.
Shang Chi easily became one of the top 5 best mcu movies for me now.
I love your coffee mug.
I wonder whats the background music you used in your video at 5:36?
How are we supposed to help him hit 500k if we're already subscribed?
You can always share. :)
@@ComicDrake no one takes my recommendations
Man... Power Pack, now that's a group I haven't heard of in a long time.
As a person of person of Chinese descent, I just want to ask: what's shang-chi's last name? It can't be Shang, because when you translates a Chinese person's Chinese name into English, and you put a hyphen between 2 words, it generally means the 2 words are 2 parts of their first name. Is it Fu? Is it Zu, as Zheng Zu, who, according marvel wiki, is his father? I searched through wikipedia and marvel wiki and couldn't find his last name. Peter Parker has a last name. Tony Stark has a last name. Even Thor has a last name. But Shang-Chi doesn't...just like Black Panther/T'Chaka, who also doesn't have a last name.
Xu?
Can you talk about the Power Pack? I've neeeever heard of that character until you mentioned him.
The Power Pack isn't a single character, its a group of superheroes. Specifically, a group of child superheroes.
I'm so glad that we got the MCU and Shang-Chi movie that we have today. Both of those things are fantastic. And the Shang-Chi movie was phenomenal. It stands out, even amongst other Marvel movies!
Do a What If related episode. Would love to know some crazy what if stories
Go check out Causally Comics, she does videos on those.
How are you not at least 1mill subs? Man I'm losing faith in humanity 😪
Four arms, Ben10
I find it funny that Kung Fu the original TV show that inspired Shang-Chi has been rebooted for the CW this year and released before Shang-Chi due to delays x)
I ❤️ this channel
Given Shang Chi's origins as a character that was capitalizing on the popularity of Kung Fu martial arts-wise as well as starting out as a stereotype, I'm kind of surprised Marvel didn't create (as far as I'm aware) a stereotypical ninja character to encounter or team up with Shang Chi once the the 80's rolled around. I say this because if my martial arts movie history is accurate (and it's quite possible that I'm wrong) the 80's had ninjas pick up where Kung Fu movies left off in a manner of speaking.
I could easily see them making a Sho Kosugi look-alike or something to that effect. Would it be worth going down the stereotypical road all over again? Probably not. However, I do think it would be cool to see Shang Chi be the leader of his own hero team comprised entirely of martial artists of various styles from all over the world. (Some Examples: A British or Irish Boxer, a Russian Sambo fighter, a Kenjutsu or Kobudo master, a French Savateur, a Greek Pankration fighter, a Muay Thai or Muay Boran fighter, a Silat master, etc.)
Total side-bar: Speaking of the tv show, "Kung Fu," I've heard some interesting stories about its production that while they are likely only nuggets cranked out by the Hollywood rumor mill, they make for some interesting topics anyway. One that I could see as likely being true is that as the story goes Bruce Lee wrote a script for the pilot of the show, "Kung Fu," and auditioned to star in it. Here's the part with two different claims, one of which seems possible, the other not so much:
So the first version of the story is actually at least possible given the time period we're talking here. Supposedly Bruce Lee was turned down for the role because the general consensus was that American audiences wouldn't be receptive to a lead character who was Chinese or Asian in general for that matter. The second (and truly ridiculous version) was Bruce being turned down because he wasn't seen as being Chinese enough for the part!
I personally think that version of events is just a load of crap considering they cast a white dancer with no actual previous martial arts experience whatsoever, but it's still hilarious to think about. How or why would they turn down Bruce "Considered to be the Greatest Martial Artist of all Time," Lee for David Caradine, who was again, a white dancer with no training. The only martial arts (although not exactly considered martial anymore) experience he legitimately had that I've ever heard about was when he later took up Taijiquan.
Chuck Norris was even sited as having said that, "He (David Caradine) is as much a martial artist as I (Chuck Norris) am an actor." Good on Chuck for not taking himself too seriously in regards to his lack of formal acting chops, and although his comment sounds pretty scathing, as far as I have found it seems he may have been technically correct when questioning Cardine's lack of martial arts legitimacy.
I mean no disrespect to David Caradine, but I still can't help but call into question why anyone would take someone who isn't Chinese or even Asian with no martial arts experience over Bruce Lee to play a Shaolin Kung Fu master, hence why I think that version of the story has almost zero chance of being true. After all, because of Bruce Lee's popularity on the show, "The Green Hornet," they changed the title when it aired in various Asian counties as, "The Kato Show." (Kato being the character Bruce played on the show, "The Green Hornet," for anyone who might not know.)
Yes I recognize that being a popular secondary protagonist is still different from being a leading man, but I still think given what they were looking for in regards to casting the lead for Kung Fu they could've (and should have) taken the chance and put Lee in the role that was not only practically promised to him, but he was already (in my opinion) even overqualified for.
Besides, even though there were likely changes to the script, if the idea really was Bruce Lee's work in the first place then you would think that this would be even more reason to give him the part he wrote for. Regardless of what the truth might've been, the whole situation does admittedly make for an interesting topic of discussion.
What is that little cat face under the dare devil logo?
Man, they should make a power pack movie. There is so much potential there
marvel premiere/deadly hands of Kung Fu is where a BUNCH of famous Marvel martial arts characters made their debut, including Iron Fist, the original White Tiger, Colleen Wing and several more, including eventual mix with characters like Luke Cage and Misty Knight (because Kung Fu + blaxploitation usually worked well in the 70s)
BTW, I'm surprised Marvel is not trying to push characters like White Tiger yet to get to the Hispanic community. (the name might be a weird thing to get over)
Speaking of Marvel Comics with Asian style characters, I would love for you to do a video about the Marvel Comics Godzilla series
Hey comic drake i have a question / an idea for a video. this isn't connected to the topic of todays video but thought i should mention it so my question is "is there any difference between black cat and catwoman?" from what i know they're not very different from one another but you have read more comics than i ever have so it would be cool if you looked into this.
Thanks👍
I can answer this a little bit.
For one, Black Cat actually has superpowers. She has some luck-based powers that lets her get away with some of her more outlandish heists.
Meanwhile Catwoman is just a normal woman, so her stories tend to get more grounded. Grounded by DC standards, so things still get weird, but nothing as crazy as Black Cat fighting the god of the Symbiotes to save Dr. Strange.
@@jordanloux3883 ohh right she does have powers thanks for reminding me👍
Black Cat has luck based powers. Her costume was largely way different compared to prior versions of Catwoman (many since have had a similar cat suit design). Original Catwoman had a giant fake cat head and only gained a black cat suit a few years after Black Cat debuted.
Black Cat was not meant to originally fill the Femme Fatal role as she was going to be in the Spider-woman book but was repurposed went he creator went to write Spider-man. In addition Felicia is often portrayed as being the more morally dubious of the two and while both have had heroic moments. People are more willing to accept Selena suddenly being better. Where Selena is usually portrayed as a poor person, Felicia is often seen being rich and loving it.
They are both similar love interests but where Catwoman loves the Bat and the man behind the mask. It takes Felicia a long time to mature and realise she likes the man under the mask. That is why Selena has a larger cast of characters to bounce off of where as Black Cat's loyalty shifts focus.
Also worth noting is that while Bruce often ends up with Selena. Felicia never gets Peter so the one good thing in her life was something she blew away due to a dumb mistake. Both have since broken off and have become a lot more than just simple love interests, where Catwoman is often associated with a whip, Felicia just has her suit and powers
Both reflect lives the heroes can't have. Where Catwoman would lose the thrill if she marries Bruce, Felicia happens to be a brilliant partner for Peter that he never chooses. Someone who understands him well. Sure MJ does that but Felicia is someone who loves what he does as Spidey and would never question it. Hell she dated a man who was his biggest fan. Selena isn't as obsessive but she also is played to be smarter and more resourceful. Black Cat definitely has other qualities like how she can be kinda cold at times and doesn't take much responsibilities but one of the benefits of how Marvel does story telling is seeing her develop into becoming a better person. Especially one not tied to her role as Spider-man's girlfriend. It says a lot that had Spider-man 4 and Amazing Spider-man 3 not been cancelled, that she would have likely made an appearance. There is genuine interest in the character.
I’ve seen doorman in that Deadpool Spider-Man comic
I'm kinda disappointed that Disney hasn't done a PJ masks and spiderman crossover considering both are very popular. Heck I'm grown adult and I would probably watch. Plus if they bring in the venom symbiote and let it bond with each member of the PJ masks then they get a bunch of new toys(and possibly a very over powered venom.)
@@krimsonkatt PJ masks is Disney, not every version of Venom is that dark I didn't say it was the comics venom for instance it would be very easy to say that the symbiot is being misunderstood considering PJ masks has done that before and has done the reverse a couple of times, it's not like PJ masks can't be enjoyed by all ages either, there are some comics that are just as toned down and a multitude of cartoons they could use one of the cartoon versions of venom and it wouldn't be the first time they took an education character into the comics did you forget that both spiderman and his amazing friends (I think that's the name of the show it's been a while), and superhero squad are both educational shows that had characters from those shows show up in the comics so that isn't impossible regardless I was referring to in the show itself anyways. Hell if Spider-Man and his amazing friends had venom they could use that version or again pretty much any cartoon version of venom as most of them aren't that dark.
@@krimsonkatt venom can be used.
@@lunakingsley.7247 If they put venom in the PJ mask then they have to make him EXTREMELY kid friendly.
@@nightmare_1874 eh wouldn't be the first time and there are multiple ways they can do that while still keeping his origin(mostly), personality, and keep him interesting (assuming they use Eddie Brock because flash and Matt would be very difficult to do.) Although this is assuming Disney doesn't get lazy or rushes it.
Iron Fist a white guy took over the kung fu representation. You know a Chinese martial art...
Isn't the character on the cover of Detective Comics #1 also based on Fu Manchu? or is just generic Yellow peril character?
Imaginé comic drake talking about mort the dead teenager
Don’t you dis Door Man, that guy’s great
I would love to have seen a start to the Marvel Universe that hadn't been so sexist and white washed by Ike Perlmutter.
I’m surprised anti-SJW’s don’t praise Ike Perlmutter cause he exactly acts like them.
Could you make a video about Moon Knight? He, Daredevil and Kamala Khan Ms Marvel are my favourite Marvel heroes.
I know this is a bizarre comment. But your videos legitimately helped me out when I was having health issues.
Like, anytime I felt like I wanted to puke. I sat down next to the toilet, water bottle in hand and your video playing. Hearing your jokes always calmed me down. When I finally did throw up, it wasn't as scary as I expected.
So, thanks, Drake. For helping me out 😶👌
Honestly, you're not the first person to tell me this. I'm really glad that I can help. :)
So, I actually didn't even know Shang Chi was that old or ever had his own series. I actually thought he was a modern made supporting character.
Well, people don't realize that Howard the Duck was a revolutionary character and the reason he was Marvel's first movie star was because he was that hot -- but then of course Marvel fired his creator Steve Gerber and George Lucas & company fucked the character so bad in the movie that he just became a punch line to a bad joke.
This explains why the movies shared some similarities with the iron fist show
"Also, dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please."
I’m watching it day one.
A lot of the origins and publication histories of some of these characters can be movies themselves.
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