Was Rook's Transformation into 'The Judge' in Far Cry New Dawn a Mistake?
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Was Rook's Transformation into 'The Judge' in Far Cry New Dawn a Mistake?
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Was this a mistake by Ubisoft or a great story telling mechanic? I WANNA KNOW!
i suppose its all how one looks at it. it could be showing the rook despite all that they did to free hope county from the father only to become a tool in his service like the ones they dispatched almost kinda of a divine comedy and now they have to face the reprecutions of the actons from far cry 5 hense why they are broken and ashamamed about what they did and how they betrayed the people they knew and their position now with no way to redem themselves or a convieny way to tie up that ending of 5 where the rook and seed are trapped in the bunker.
in the end its all about execution of this .
VGS - Video Game Sophistry Honesty I think this is damn brilliant! We put hours and hours into this character to make them us. Then in this new game we see that character broken and we are helpless to help or redeem them. It was Joseph’s goal to break the Rook, and in this we watch our hours wasted into a husk, a shadow or it’s self with only its memories, screaming out but only coming through as grunts. Also the people who lived through the actions of the Rook only add to their suffering as they want to reach out to him but still his grunts are the suppressant to his cry’s of remorse.
Well, Ubisoft could have gone either way to be honest. I don't think many people would be happy with either outcome. In my personal opinion, I liked it. The consequences that lead your actions into the new world is what shapes the Judge. Let's consider this from 2 points of view, the 'Hero' and the 'Villain':
Hero: For many people, the Rook was a hero. He fought the cult to save Hope County from pretty much a group of fanatics that would take everything from you, torture you and then transform you into a cult member, the Rook himself saw that he was carrying the law as intended and that his actions were justified as long as he saved and upheld the law (blah blah blah Justice, thinks his actions were right, blah blah blah). Now not every game the Hero gets a happy ending or the title of being one. The Far Cry franchise pretty much showed us that even if you think your actions were the right ones for a just cause, maybe the outcome isn't what was desired (looking at you Ajay).
Villain: Considering the people that believed Joseph Seed saw the end of the world as we know it. In their eyes, The Father was their Hero, their salvation and they hoped (some) that his guidance would lead them to a world free of sin and new chance (Eden's Gate Programme). If you were one of their believers, how would you see the Rook shooting and destroying everything that you would see as your salvation? I think I would see the Rook as a d*ck evil villain that only wants the end of the world to come.
So making the Rook carry the price for his actions and ending up in a 17 year old Guilt trip after him slaughtering lots of poor animals and human lives was a unique but made sense type of move. In a sense, Ironic. He fought to save the people of Hope County only to end up killing a lot of people in the process. I think Ubisoft pulled a bold card with the Judge, but nonetheless for the setting of both games, I think it makes the audience feel for the Rook and his humanity (Come on, no one can be a killing machine and not feel guilty after shooting some of the cute animals in Far Cry 5)
It was hinted by some of the lines like "what if he's right? have you ever thought about that?"
i would have liked to see him defect but i like him it feels like in the game the soul of the rook went from the rook to now cap and who nows they could be linked
The real question is:
If the judge has literally hundreds of kills under his belt, how is he such a shit gun for hire?
.7 year in a bunker
He is the worst SMH. I was beast mode 24/7 in FC5. What happened ???
He's really useful when u go stealth mode, I couldn't find a better companion except him and Nana...It's really depends on your play style
You assume that Guns for Hire actually works well...
Him and Nana are best for stealth(my play style) , example, liberating an outpost with only animals taking lives. Very possible to do with the judge and his second perk(where no animal will harm you unless you attack first). That way no ammo/resources are wasted.
Can we talk about how it's been 17 years and Joseph still isn't wearing a shirt
shelby Rhodes he was wearing a shirt at the lake when John tried to drown you.
old habits die hard aye
What about this? New Eden tells you that Joseph would dislike it for you using guns but in farcry 5, they murserin everyone with AR's and they had a song 'keep a rifle by your side
@@shanevanholm2684 Nah, New Eden isn't the same as Eden's Gate. New Eden followers just want to live a quiet life free from sin, which is why they've abandoned all technology as everything from before the Collapse was considered "sinful". Whereas Eden's Gate cultists actively tried to take over the whole county by any means necessary, which is why they were a problem. The New Eden guys don't even attack you unless you attack them first.
Like what Joseph Seed says if you talk to him immediately after returning with him to New Eden's compound, he managed to change the Deputy during those years in the bunker, but the Deputy changed him too, and by extension his flock's philosophy.
Im just wondering who tattooed him some more since John is dead.
I truly feel like a DLC with the Judge slowly being “fixed”. Think about it, they could call it “Atonement”.
Or "Redemption", but who knows.
Both names fit great thing guys
@@anthonyhazard6037, thanks.
What about "the judgement"
@@o.d.d.343, that's also nice, but we won't know for sure if New Dawn is even going to have dlc.
Just playing with rook/judge pains me, the sound he makes when he goes down is just sad, if there ever was another far cry game i would be happy if we some how get informed that rook died happily around his friends because i don't think he could fully recover to create a family of his own. I think in one of the dialogues with nana he is crying as nana is trying to understand how she can help him.
I think The Judge was a great idea with a shitty execution. One of the most interesting story lines, but having played a female Rook, hearing Judge grunt and what not, definitely ruined the immersion.
Judge grunts gender neutral tho thry just grunt without using their voice it sounds more like choking
@@muffinman5741 Yeah you're right. I know it was supposed to be gender neutral, but I feel like that would've worked out better if they just made the Judge completely silent. Idk, I just really like the idea and story line of Judge, so I guess I'll put up with the weird grunts.
@@TessaDen
Feel like it would've worked so much better if we had the option to choose Rook's gender in the beginning of the game
when judge cries you hear a woman tho
@@red43rumbl37 I think it is implied that Dep is male, but the New Dawn protagonist could be female, as the perk tutorials show you as female.
DLC where the judge becomes rook again and you customize him like you did in 5
AKM, M249, M9, and Compound Bow are my armaments at the moment in Far Cry 5. Your idea would be pretty fun, but I feel like it'd be pretty damn boring. What I would want from that is slowly bringing back the Deputy the people of Hope County once looked up to. To do so, you would have to slowly restore his (saying male pronouns is a bit more comfortable for me personally) memories. In order to restore his memories, you would have to enter his mind, and fix a hellish version of Hope County from Far Cry 5. Then, once all is said and done, you would get to use the Deputy as a Gun for Hire and customize him like you did in Far Cry 5.
Just take the judge , start banging "only you" and let him clear the twins , then roll credits lol
I think the rookie would have never „given up“ or listend to Joseph, because if he now would accept him all the killing would have been for nothing and he would have betrayed himself
I have to agree. I think Rook would deserve to be redeemed from a moral standpoint but they shouldn't be because it does cheapen the impact of fc5.
I feel like in hat sense Rook and Joseph are very similiar. They tried to do what's best for all and in the end get consumed by their guilt. Though I would argue that from a moral standpoint Rook genuinely has done better than Joseph because they tried to free people and not use mind break etc to convert people to their cause and take away their choices but that's a whole nother thing.
The biggest mistake here was not giving Judge a better bow
I completed new dawn, and until I watched this video, I had no idea rook and the judge were the same person. I never used the judge once as a gun for hire, therefore missed all the clues!
Not just me then!
I think the canon gender for the judge/rook is a man. First of all, his body posture looks like a male’s. Secondly, when you use him as a (Guns For Hire) and he gets downed his grunts sound like a male’s.
Hurk also calls rook/the judge a man. (3:40). I know that might just be something that Hurk calls people, but I cannot see somebody calling a woman a man for a nickname.
tboss2447 But everyone else’s sound fine and not to mention he was in a bunker....
@@tboss2447 radiation does not affect your voice
@@tboss2447 your just trying to hard to make them female / gender neutral.
they may not directly outright state it, but its safe to say rook was male.
most of the people playing it probably played as a male, the sounds he makes in game, his body type, etc etc all point to him being male.
@@tboss2447 why would the radiation focus on vocal cords
Their vocal cords were damaged because their dumb ass won't stop standing in fire. That's why they have to wear the mask. They really look like a burnt up mole rat under there.
He needs to suffer? He suffers all the time since he was taken to the bunker! I think the story is perfect. It all makes sense for me.
I would love if after you end far cry new dawn the rook would talk to you and his friends.
0:26 hearing this genuinely scares me now
Came to the comments to say Judge is my boy.
I liked far cry 5's story, the ending didn't please me as much, but then as soon as New dawn came i noticed Ubisoft had it all planed out, the story makes sense now, and i sure am going to buy the next one for the story too
not really; we still have problem of cannon continuation of story. Since you have chance to back off and the end of 5, what makes New dawn cannon continuation of fifth game? if you choose fight; all hell broke loose, but if you back off, no nuclear war, nothing. Ubi once again f****ed up everything right in the end.
@@ApocGuy, no, they didn't. The walk away ending from the previous game? Well, Only You brainwashing kicked in, and you most likely went on a murderous rampage without consistency or strategy, and that sounds lackluster to me.
If farcry5 new dawn took place 17 years later and carmina was born during the bomb dropping that must mean carmina has killed many people at the age of 17
Nobody:
Ubisoft: why not make the players Darth Vader
I had An idea which I think should have been done is there should have been a post credit scene in which it shows either the ruins of the church of edens gate from fc5 or the outside of Dutch's bunker end then it shows the inside of either of them then we see the judge put down his mask either where we found the book or on the table in the church and then we see the deputy like from behind obviously and then it shows them walking down a road at sunrise and they walk past or walk over an old sign saying now leaving hope county
I agree but ubisoft needs to expand on his character. Like a story dlc or full game
I personally think Rook becoming the Judge was a mistake, because I immensely dislike the idea of them joining Joseph. The way I viewed Rook in Far Cry 5 was of someone who hated Joseph and the Peggies with an insurmountable passion. This hatred for Joseph and his cult and viewing them solely as an enemy to be destroyed is a major part of why I enjoyed Far Cry 5 in the first place; I just like the idea of fighting evil extremists. Then the Rook becomes the Judge and joins Joseph, and that pretty much destroys part of the reason I enjoyed Far Cry 5.
I agree with you and the ending of farcry 5 was better than most I've seen. There is no good ending, you're either trapped with the father or let him rebuild his control over Hope county. New Dawn does cheapen the ambiguity of the endings.
I personally think it makes sense with what happened to the main character in 4
It makes sense at least. At the end, when Joseph asks you to kill him, I thought about the last game and wanting to end him for what he did to the people in hope county. But I didn’t. Rook was his Judge. He didn’t kill him. He had plenty of chances, but he didn’t. Joseph deserves to suffer with the crushing guilt of his wrongs, just as the deputy does.
Am I gonna turn to Judge my parents called me a mistake
My opinion is if you had far cry 5 and got new dawn you should get your old clothes not the rook outfit at least to represent change
I completely understand where you are coming from, and I must admit, I almost agree. I do think we should have continued on as the judge, but at the same time, that could have changed the games entire story. I also think that if you killed Joseph, that event should have changed the way that the Judge should have acted. Still guilt ridden, but also maybe confused because he did spend the last 17years following Joseph and now with Joseph dead and he's following you, I don't think he would be able to convert that easily. So the interactions with the ryes, hurl, and others, while he would still grunt, he should be visibly confused. That's just my opinion. I still loved playing new dawn.
I think the judge was a dumb idea they should have just had you playing as rook again
I wish they did a flash back with the judge like what they did with Mickey and Lou
Spoilers!!
Kinda wished we could’ve been the Judge at Joseph’s final moment. At the start it was Joseph vs Rook and now, Rook is pushed to the side for a character that has no history with the Father. Captain most likely never even heard about him until the events in the game. I want it to be the Judge who Joseph admits his faults to. I want Judge to make that final decision. Whether Joseph deserves his fate or not. Not only would it fit Deputy’s new title but because it makes sense in a story telling sense. But eh, I guess we should be lucky they didn’t kill our Deputy off screen.
But here's the thing, Cult Leader Joseph, and you can see this in both Far Cry 5 and New Dawn, was so good at making people believe in him, and his ways that they would refuse to accept that he has faults. Jacob and John casually accepting the fact that there have been multiple Faith's, New Eden's refusal to reject the Father even after years of self-imposed exile. He even turned what was basically his arch nemesis into his closest protector. If anything the Cap would actually listen to Joseph when he says he has faults because he's unbiased. He wasn't around before the Collapse, he was never part of the Peggies, he never fought beside the Rookie. Joseph confesses to the Cap because he's the only one who would speak honestly.
It still doesn't make any sense why the judge should still feel remorse and pain even after Joseph openly admits he was wrong. If anything.. the very least he could have done was undo all of the mind-breaking bullshit that he did to everyone, and basically un-fuck the judges (deputy's) mind so he can actually realize that he didn't do a damn thing wrong in the first place
@Gavin Weeks he definitely didn't have as much of a twisted mind of all the other members of their little "family", but the fact that he was basically the head (the Father) of the whole cult still was kind of confusing.... Like if he really wasn't evil, then why did he let Jacob, John and Faith do all the psychotic shit they were doing to everyone? I think he was ultimately a false prophet, and whether or not killing him in this game was for vengeance, he probably would have been better off that way anyway since letting him live would just be nothing but slow painful agony. (Which... again... also not a bad idea if you're looking for punishment. Lol)
remember modern warfare 2 you played as a small character called roach who is the main protagonist for a while but before roach we played as soap in call of duty 4 who we get to see again mw2 and we all know what happens to roach he gets shot by shepherd and burned with another close ally what I think new dawn should have done was have the captain die maybe by either joseph's or the highway man's hands showing either joseph's true colors or showing the brutality of the highway men and maybe you see a cutscene with the judge and he sees the captain dead and he turns around and you see him take off his mask and walk away his mind is recovered and wants revenge joseph or the highway men know they are knee deep in shit and now you get to play as the rook again only he is a bit older and angrier.
It makes sense though they’d just send someone else to deal with the new problem
Its a shame there wasnt an import character system similar to the Dragon Age games so we could see our own Rook in this game
Yeah, that could have been implemented, but oh well, New Dawn is still good anyways.
That's exactly what I was hoping for, would have made my far cry 5 story feel like it mattered when I saw the rook I made.
That's what I thought too...
Only can hope for a dlc where you can play as the judge
That's a missed opportunity if there ever was one.
When i killed Joseph it said ‘DO NOT KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS’ xD
Lol
He's innocent? From when?
Roxini Razing - Princess of Justice idk but it’s funny when it says that
@@roxinirazing-princessofjus4310 Regardless of the way he did it, his intention was to save/warn the people in Hope Country from the Nuclear strike that was to come. I'm sure the only reason he used such extreme methods was because most of them didn't believed him. So could have been good, but was forced to be bad.
when i hit jospeh in new eden he ran very far lol
Hurk: sorry I’m real nervous around you. Still the silent type I see.
Lmao
The Judge: Heh
Who would win an entire army of extreme religious cultists armed the to teeth with weapons armour and a nuke OR
One rook boi
The cult didn't have a nuke tho
one rooky boi
Only in far cry tho...
@@twovoa2151 it was the war between the US and north korea probably, it was kinda teased on the radios in far cry 5 that 'tensions were running high' and on that map, you see that only the US and parts of Asia were nuked so that's probably what it was
Plot twist the rook boi can respawn
I feel like the judge should be a DLC where they very slowly return to the rook, like they start to talk. Choice given make or female though, and they are rebirthed as the old them but with a new purpose to helping those he destroyed as the judge still
HOLY SHT THAT SOUNDS AWSOME
He didn’t talk anyway?
His tongue is cut out
So Far Cry 5 but with extra steps
@@tyguytv348 it didnt talk
I personally think the Judge is amazing. it always bothers me how video game protagonists murder hundreds and hundreds of people, and it doesn’t seem to effect them. It makes sense that if you just slaughtered practically an entire county, then being stuck in a bunker for years would make you realize what you’ve done and ultimately crush you.
Not only that but the huge amounts of brainwashing and drugs put into them while murdering said county.
And seeing friends die like Virgil for example
Have to disagree witb you there as you were fighting a *cult* that have attacked an innocent town. The reason to kill them were justifiable as you were proteting the people of th e county. "The Judge" thing might have worked with previous charaters in the franchise or in some other game. Or if you actually played as someone who did slaughter both the towns people and the cult members then then it would work out.
Yeah but he could actually get some lines reflecting those emotions instead of just *grunt* *grunt*
Yeah especially someone like Jason in far cry 3
There should be a dlc where you continue as the rook, eventually becoming the judge. It would give more of an insight of what happened in the bunker and the reformation of new eden
MC04 How much could you really do in a bunker though?
You Play six years in a bunker with Joseph... and when you get out of the bunker you are already the judge....
Btw new eden was already planned in far cry 5, it was the plan from the beginning. It’s even in the lyrics of one of the cults song.
Gonna build a castle
When we step outside into the breeze
We'll know our commands
Walk into the garden
And we'll live upon this land
And you get a lot of information by reading the letters in dutchs bunker (new dawn) and talking to Joseph...
I don’t think there is much more.
No, the mistake was having a voiceless and genderless character in the first place.
God dam I hate those. If Ubi are so concerned with characters saying what the player isn't thinking just give us dialogue options. They seem to be the in thing with Ubisoft right now anyway.
I think the male version is cannon do to his features. No female features, just a male build.
@@TotallyToonsTV right? I can even look past it to an extent, but having the npcs refer to your character as "they" all the time really fucking shits me and is just lazy on Ubi's part.
In metro exodus your guy doesn't talk either but it's still alot less jarring when the npcs call him Artyom and male pronouns
And then when they do have voiced charcters people think they're whiny(Jason) or bland (Ajay). They gave in to those criticisms this time.
@@TigerRifle1 yeah
The scariest thing about the judge to me is that throughout Far Cry 5 I ONLY used the bow. I liked being stealthy, it almost always did a one hit kill, it was a good weapon. And when I beat the game and found out about Far Cry ND and the Judge, and saw that they ONLY use the bow, I felt chills
SAME
I think the game is much easier with only a bow and wrist rocket haha
I didn’t do the same thing but I always had Jess Black as my companion due to her stealth. She was my personal favorite companion in all of Farcry 5.
The Judge using a bow had me make up a headcanon of sort (I don’t know if she is dead or alive-I haven’t beat ND yet)
*I hate that they forced your character to be brainwashed in new dawn by ubisoft*
I feel like FC5 was trying to shove in our faces that Deputy and everything we (as the Deputy) did was wrong, but in the end Joseph admitted he was the one wrong for all the shit he did. It would have been cool for us to see him do some type of reaction after seeing the Captain kill Joseph.
@@xeternalxeyesx Mabye a change of heart scene or something
@@qx0xy i think the judge is a he, due to the build of him. No feminine features.
Rimy XB1 well since it’s suppose to be the character you played in the last game it could be either you choose.
Cannon ending is male
But i think witnessing. All of this.
He was told,time and time again that joseph is right, the collapse is upon us "you did everything he said you would, and you didnt even know it"
Look at the other deputy. He was heavily,changed after jacob.
In a way. Had the deputy not interfered. Hope county would be better off.
Jacobs armoury would ensure their helicopters and planes. Chosen. Would drive away any highwaymen whom dared to,come near
They habe air support.
Heavy gun trucks.
Notice in new dawn none of them have that anymore.
Nick rye has a boat carmina. But even then. Theres no way to get her airborne.
Less people would have starved. The amount of survivors would be much much higher.
The deputy feels guilt for watching all his friends die in the blast.
The marshal. Blew off his head
The Sheriff. All his buddies.
He watched so,many die,
The father had a broken man in front of,him
It would be very easy to have him,join you
Male Deputy = Canon
Female Captain = Canon
That’s just how I see it an I think it kinda makes sense
How so?
@@shawnkessler7257 the clothing the judge wears is rather bulky and does a very good job of hiding the body underneath it. therefore while the body does look decidedly male it could just as easily be a female body under those clothes. the judges lack of any voicelines beyond perhaps grunts also supports this
For me, it's more like female rook and male cap.
Subhankar Baral that's what I went with
I always used a Female in Far Cry 5 and my New Dawn character is a Male
After completing FC5, i regretted not being female.
So i picked female in new dawn and it seemed to fit the story well.
I enjoy the idea of a badass female no name mary sue character that brings down the highwaymen. Idk why lol
Adding Rook as the judge was something I found to be low-key brilliant. The perpetuated agony and fear the judge is constantly in seems to have the heaviest weight in the colorful world of new dawn, and as such, sort of brings back the baggage of the ending of Far Cry 5. Sure, playing as the judge would have been cool, but I think one needed to see the judge as their own separate entity makes it that much more tragic. (which I thoroughly enjoy.)
Agreed. It helps bring along what happened other than, "nukes went off and now there's a new evil enemy to fight and some landmarks look familiar." It shows that even if we knew the cult was evil, he still had to come to grips with the hundreds murdered and dead. Millions even from the nukes. And to look the person in the eye that he had been fighting and killing to get to.
And I'm sure the brainwashing master in Joseph helped him make that change too.
Yeah I guess it just upsets me he was with joseph
Tbh I’m surprised the rook didn’t try to kill Joseph after the nuke happened but since he saved his life and the only person he could rely on for survival during that time.
He probably just wanted to find and protect the survivors in order to retain his humanity so he assumed the role of a silent protector and guardian.
The rooks got a lot of patience tho
I’d probably lose it if I was around Seed’s non-stop God talk and his deluded followers.
I guess the deputy just delt with it and because he's a mute, he couldn't told Joseph to stfu.
Well Joseph handcuffed him in the bunker and likely locked him in that room until he would listen. Or maybe Rook just didn’t see a point in killing him anymore. He figured that Joesph was right, that everyone died because he wouldn’t walk away
Ajay Ghale needs to come back with Kyrati forces and wreck everyone if this is the Far Cry's new world.
lel don't think he's the right guy to make right choices considering that 2 out of 3 endings he gives power to either rebels which have really f*cked up plans ( You know, one who forces family's children to become child soldiers w/ opium fields, the other one a religious zealot who condemns his people to a slow death for different ideologies and most likely manipulating the Tarun Matara to his ideologies). Damn, he might as well bring Pagan Min! At least the man had style and had Crab Rangoon.
Hoàng Nguyên but the reason amita was for the poppy fields was because it was the only thing that grew easily in kyrat. It was their natural resource. It would make more sense to me if instead of going the black market heroin route, they went with making legal opioids like morphine, oxycodone etc. the entire world has a want and need for prescription opioids, and it wouldn’t set the country up to be a target for the global war on drugs. Or at least not nearly as much.
Well, the bombs only dropped in the US.
You can see that in the government plane expidition.
So don't worry. The farcry world didnt end.
I think many of us forget the hidden ending from the beginning of Far Cry 4 and the situation thereafter.
Could be interesting
He stayed in kyrat so he isnt in the u.s the bombs were dropped worldwide not just america thats y no other countrys helped ajay has his own shit to deal with it be incredibly unrealistic for him to just casually stroll into hope county
No the mistake is not having the satisfaction of killing Joseph in the first place.
My far cry new dawn would involve rook coming out of the bunker clearly fucking changed for good but still full of revenge. They find their way to prosperity and are questioned by Carmina, who then brings them to Kim who lets them in with open arms. The story basically plays the same except for when killing Joseph there is a lot more second thought and apprehension, when the deed is done you'd have one of far cry's trademark illusions of sitting at the table with John, Jacob, and Faith, and Joseph sits down across from you. Faith and Jacob look disappointed, John looks mad, and Joseph stares you down, giving some bullshit speech and getting far too close before Jacob tells you to leave the table, putting you back into the real world to finish the Highwaymen.
@@mothman6378 that actually sounds really cool, i would prefer that as well
They totally banged in that bunker
The best take so far
Tbh the first thing I thought.
Hopefully they said no homo before doing it
Ethan is their love child
Honestly it was so rapey when you play the female Rook
Ubisoft Pls give Judge DLC
Yeah, maybe one part could even involve going back to the Whitetail Mountains in order to get rid of Jacob's brainwashing thing from 5, the possibilities are endless.
Dragonborn Express I think he got already rid of that. His purpose was to kill Eli and that’s what he did. Usually the brainwashing in cases like this where it has a trigger, the trigger only works until the goal is reached. Sleeper cells work kinda like that.
Far cry 6 is out there wo t be a dlc
I feel like they should at least make a dlc where we play as the judge kinda like a post apocalyptic primal
Call it Far Cry: Judgement
ScavChurch omg ye
TheRockingKiwi why don’t you shut up?
TheRockingKiwi why you got to be negative?
Honestly, it should have been The Judge who kills The Father. Like The Judge says "I.. I am Rook." (Or something of that sort) and proceeds to shoot Joseph, killing him. It doesn't need to redeem him, it just let's him finish what he started. And from there, it could go a couple different paths
sound like Victor Reznov?
Plot twist: New Dawn is a hallucination, the Captain is actually Rook, and the Judge is another personality created by the brainwashing, with both competing for control of the Deputy’s mind.
Josh Donoho nice
@@Ateezwooyoung Even better: the nuking and New Dawn are all a bad bliss trip Dep is having while going through Bliss withdrawal, and the post-story part of 5 is the true ending.
But I still ask myself what did Joseph and the deputy did meanwhile in the bunker i hope they did not played “drop the soap”
They do the busy busyness in the bunker with the dead body
1 year late but in that bunker there is a wall that says “dont drop the soap”, with “dont” marked with an X over it :’v
Jesus Antonio Espinoza 😂😂😂😂
Jesus Antonio Espinoza haha really?
Wolfking540 YES!! 😂 with this quarantine i’ve passed the game in the hardest mode and i noticed that. This quarantine is a life opportunity yk. Sadly not for others/:. Stay home bro!! ;’)
They could've made the judge more humanistic
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Maybe, but maybe that'll be in the dlc, only time will tell.
I think when someone gets brainwashed to be your personal assassin , humanity isn't a qualification desired, maybe killing machine is more suitable. xD But hey, they may do a DLC along with The Judge changing through the process
I think he is supposed to not be human, he was changed, you see he does not think clearly, he forgot what good was, but, he seems to try to become humane again, trying to make himself more hidden, to wait for the perfect moment to reveal himself.
Hmm well how humanistic can a person get when their tongue was cut out that's why they only speak in grunts and groans
@@SILVAINIUM His tongue wasnt cut out. Also, i didnt say anything about him talking... Ya feel me?
(I know im late) THERE SHOULD BE A DLC TO BRING THE JUDGE BACK THEIR SANITY!!!
Or at the very least make them somewhat sane. I even have a good idea for dlc for a potential sequel. I haven't come up with a title yet, but it would take place 3 years after the events of New Dawn. Hope County would be mostly safe, or about as safe as you can get when the world is gone. Anyways, at the beginning of this, you would hear a voice, that of Carmina Rye, talking about how long it's been since the liberation of Hope County. "'Sighs', 3 years. 3....fucking.......years. Has it really been that long since the Captain utterly wrecked the Hope County chapter of the Highwaymen? It has. Holy shit! I doubt my parents even remember the last time we were this fucking safe! We've done so much around this god forsaken place since then. For instance, the remains of John Seed's former ranch? While we did take over the main building of the Ranch, just days after we celebrated our victory against the Highwaymen, we ran into a bit of a problem with the rest of the Ranch. See, we wanted to expand so that we would be able to make Prosperity stronger, help survivors better, and even have a fucking functional shipyard! Of course, nature being nature, the forest got in our way big fucking time, so we had to resort to cutting the forest down, at least within the boundaries of the Ranch. Took a year to do this shit because we had to use our shitty ass cutting tools that looked like they'd fall apart if you just sneezed hard enough. Whatever, that's year 1 down, and tomorrow we will do part 2. Good night!" Yes, I know this sounds ludicrous, but I can fucking dream, ok?
Now that is an awesome idea and I would buy it outright!!!
"Some sorta death monster now" Hurk you and rook went around blowing up cultists left and right, they were always death.
I can live with the Deputy being turned into the Judge, specially since you, as the Captain, can kill Joseph but before yo do so, Joseph breaks and admits his faults and everything he did aswell wasn't for the best at all. Besides, with New Eden practically gone and the Captain being the shepherd of the remains of it, you can leave your imagination fly with what happens next.
Personally i think Judge just goes: "Well shit... i better help this guy now..." or "I better try to make something out of what's left."
I feel like the story should have been based off of what decision you had in Farcry 5. If you left Joseph to be, you would kill your friends, and eventually come back as the captain. But if you chose to fight him, you became the judge. But still being able to play as the judge. It would have allowed for a better story.
This has been playing in my mind since the game came out. Thank you.
Civilian: I can’t believe there was a nuclear war, I wonder what happened to the people before that time.
Judge/Deputy: Heh
They would have problably shown that judge is the rook if they didnt have character customization in Farcry 5
The Judge has left the chat
I'm here now
@@TheJuniorDeputyRookie rook come on man talk to me i missed u!
@ I can't feel anything now, I still stuck with Joseph and heartbroken for everything i done
@@carlfry2863 You missed me?, I thought many people want to forget me after i destroyed montana... well thanks
I want the story with the judge to continue
same, heres my idea... a DLC called "Judgement Day" You play the the judge/rook and slowly regain your sanity but are still trying to live with the guilt and find a purpose. There would be 2 ending, one where you become the good old Rookie we know, and the other where you stay the judge...a hallow shell of a man..
A DLC where we play as the judge, slowly become our far cry 5 rook again, but we are still silent and we leave hope county.
After Joseph gives you The Judge as a companion you can keep talking to him. He talks about his time in the bunker with Rook and how they changed each other.
Don't u dare talk about the deputy poor him 😭
You know what to to dep
Hurk talking to Judge/Rook was great
Friday the 13th reference
I actually really love the judges design because they are this shroud of darkness and bleakness in a world filled with colour and life. The world healed itself after the apocalypse but the judge still is dark both in and out
I personally find that interesting that The Judge is implied to be what happened to your character from Far Cry 5. It shows the future of your character and shows what happened to them after Joseph brainwashed them. They’re named the judge because of the judgement they have on them, the one who caused the deaths of many people, the one who takes the mantle of abuser.
I love the idea of the deputy becoming The Judge, but I feel that the execution could be a bit different. for instance, instead of him being with New Eden, he basically roams as a Mad Max style wasteland legend. They could have had a feature that transferred your stats from Far Cry 5 into the judge, basically changing his class based on your favorite weapons and vehicles in FC5. Basically, the plot of him being broken psychologically and Joseph manipulating and convincing him into exercising God's will and wrath in the name of justice is really good, but instead of having him in hermit robes with a bow made out of a stick and string, have him on the front lines. Imagine that you're driving around, you stop and get in a firefight, and there's a random encounter where a suped up Bootlegger drives through, lights the area up, and The Judge steps out of it Mysterious Stranger style and just obliterates the enemy, starting a quest where you ride around and help him do things like find old characters and defend the innocent, ending with him becoming a Gun for Hire and awarding you with his suped up armored bootlegger "The Gavel".
I think it was cool, be he SHOULD have his redemption at the end of the game, by killing Joseph himself. It would be awesome.
Personally I would add in two other endings aside from just killing him. One to let him live with his mistakes as Rook and one to lock him up in a cell where he's perpetually doped up on bliss until he dies.
The thing that caused a lot of problems in Far cry 5 is that Rook was a blank slate for the player, but the cutscenes and story still treated them like they were just a character in the game we occasionally controlled when the game wasn't making them a part of the story. I could totally buy Jason Brody or Ajay being entranced by the bliss and listening to Joseph's little sermon, but me as the player, when Joseph gets close to me, i want to stick my thumbs in his eyeballs and the only thing the story does in that case is frustrate me. *I* know the bliss is a croc of shit, *I* know that it would save everyone a load of pain if when joseph does his "cup his hands around cheeks" shit you snap his neck like a stale breadstick. *I* know that if i was locked in a bunker with Joseph Seed, the second my hands were freed i would try to break every single one of his fingers, but because Rook is not actually in the player's hands they are instead just a faceless dope who is only differentiated from the cannon fodder by being completely mute and having a marginally higher chance of survival.
Also if your worried the Judge being redeemed would cheapen Far Cry 5's story, trust me nothing cheapens the story more then realizing that because it all gets blown the fuck up and Joseph can only get killed or face the agonizing despair of realizing finally that *running around brainwashing people and having them murder people who don't comply while his older brother taught their soldiers that if you can't kill you should be killed, let his youngest brother project sins that people weren't guilty of onto others and brainwashed woman after woman to be Faith was probably all the exact fucking opposite of what god wanted* in the next fucking game then why should anyone even bother with Far Cry 5?
I feel like Ubisoft could have synced the two games so when you start New Dawn, the Judge would have the same look as who they were in 5 as Rook, only older. Kinda like what Crystal Dynamics did for Tomb Raider, if you played the previous games, old weapons and outfits were then transferred over to Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Me too, but my problem with that is what if you beat Far Cry 5 on a different console or account? Would they just randomly generate a rook?
Or that on my account, rook is wearing brightly colored clothes and a rubber dog mask. it doesnt always work out for the best.
I think its intrasting and pretty cool, its something difrent
Interesting* champ
@@AyZeD Thanks!
Also, different*
@@richardlont4480 Thank you as well!
I always love silent but deadly characters I always find them interesting. Although they are usually done terrible I still like them.
Draydin Bardon yes I know, and yes he is a fart.
They should have made an alternate ending where you choose to kill or spare Joseph, make it so when Cap refuses to kill Joseph that Joseph turns to Judge and does a "you understand, don't you?" speech and then have Judge kill Joseph. Perhaps Judge stabbing Joseph and gently lowering the dying Joseph to the ground while Joseph makes an "it was always going to end this way, wasn't it?" style of comment.
Honestly... I like that. I really do...
It is pretty in-key with how previous Far Cry characters have been corrupted and brought low
Agreed
I think him turning judge was a good call
@The Professor yes he/she I only said he for the butthurt people 😅
@The Professor weren't you on the other far cry post? 🤔
@@haden636 I had the same thought
C O N T R I V E D nonsense. He gets kidnapped like 7-9 times, gets let go every time and then Joseph Ending comes and tells you all your work was trash and pointless. It tries hard to tell you something about violence, but fails to construct a believable or logically coherent narrative.
Like you should have joined or run and just let them torture people. Because inaction never results in death or violence.
Maybe I'm biased because they're my GFH 100% of the time and have helped me stealth tons of outposts, but I really like the concept of The Judge and for my Rook it fit his arc pretty well. I can see why some would be angry over it but I actually think it was great to see a game acknowledge how messed up you'd be after killing tons of people for a debatably correct cause. I do think a dlc on humanising them would be super fun, but at the same time I weirdly like the ambiguity and their mask and I think it'd take away from a lot of their character arc to have them suddenly bounce back to normal.
I was thinking maybe a dlc based around interraction would be interesting, where The Judge still doesn't talk, but the more outposts they take out with your character, the more interractions you will slowly unlock due to them remembering how they used to be. Then maybe you'd start to see them interracting in more intimate ways with characters like Nick Rye, faces from their past, just helping out around the place or whatnot. Maybe something like going from the normal sitting and watching Nick in Prosperity to actively helping Nick work on the car in the garage. Maybe after about ten outposts together you'd start seeing The Judge interracting with animals as well; I think it'd be cool to see them every now and then reach down to pet one of the New Eden cougars like peaches, or maybe even make the crying sound effect when interracting with a dog to signify their remembrance and mourning over Boomer.
They could set the progression up in a way that would at first be you levelling up The Judge's humanity by taking back outposts with them or doing specific quests for characters they were friends with in FC5, and then maybe after filling up that hidden metre enough you'd unlock a questline that would involve something along the lines of visiting the important zones of FC5 that would hold special memories for Rook. If you completed the quest, maybe it'd unlock either a special ability or a cosmetic item, and then it'd change The Judge's name to Rook and they'd have more silent but heartfelt interractions with other characters from their past, and maybe over the course of the progression they'd have been humanising a bit and thus by the end of the quest Rook would act a bit more emotional while still keeping that silent but deadly thing.
No idea if any of that would actually be good in implimentation, but being that I wouldn't really want to see The Judge suddenly just go back to being Rook, and I'd rather they stay silent and masked and keep their aesthetic/traits they now have, I think it'd be cool to see a slow progression dlc that just adds a few quests in but mainly slowly changes The Judge's interractions and how other characters talk to them.
Also, I feel like I'm in the minority for actually liking what Ubi did with Rook and feeling like it actually makes quite a bit of sense and is a clever way to keep it ambiguous so we can all imagine our Rook under the mask, while also giving off a creepy vibe that seems fitting for a character obviously tortured and broken mentally. I'm happy to see that (spoilers) in the end of the game when Joseph dies/is spared, he admits what he has done is wrong, because I feel it adds another layer to Rook's story; Rook was brainwashed and tortured to feel as though they made the wrong choice and were an awful person, a mentality enforced by the Seeds throughout FC5, and now they're committed to that mentality even though parts of their true self shine through here and there. I feel it makes their story sadder but more believable; The Judge's story isn't a case of someone being wrong and becoming a bad guy, it's a case of someone being right but being convinced they were wrong and undeserved guilt persuading them to bury their true self. I think that's both pretty believable for the character and is a cool way to show that no matter how kind Joseph is to Cap, the man is still a monster who horribly harmed the last protagonist and isn't the nice guy he seems to be around Cap.
Anyways, I'd probably buy a DLC where the only added feature is one to hug The Judge in a comforting way, except the animation has them desperately trying to escape it while hissing wildly.
Would also invest in a DLC where all it does is let you shove the Judge in any given direction, because god dammit as much as they are great for stealth they excell in standing in the middle of doorways and grunting at me as I try to leave a room.
Look, I'm gonna say this. We are the Judge/Deputy and the only way to finally know piece is to except everything we've done wrong and wear our hearts on our chest(s) and hope that we can *atone*
Plus, If I was there I would say to The Judge *I know you think that what you did was wrong and you're beating yourself up over it but don't, you helped loads of people and gave them hope. I'm here for you and I'll help you and I hope one day you'll understand that there was justice in your actions; even if you weren't justified*
I just finished 5 and the "It was a drug induced nightmare" seemed to make sense for me, what with the flag and waking up at the top of a pole. At the end of the day, it's just a game though so, whatever.
Chaos Corner Drug induced nightmare Yep I’m sticking to that theory right with your pal
It’s says drop the soap in the bunker with don’t crossed out
Realbobross27 when I first played fc5 I screenshoted that then I had to do it in fcnd for the memories xd
This video just want me hug them for hours, poor rooki boi, I feel attached to him :(
Hurk is absolutely hilarious! 😂
As always...
Miss him and Willis in FC6
I kinda believe they changed eachother as jerome pretty much says” he changed you but perhaps you changed him too” i can definitely see a change in joseph because i seems more caring ,understands right from wrong, and merely wants to truly help
I’ve played far cry 5 around 7 times and new dawn around 3 and now playing both I think the 5 and new dawn story is a metaphor of fighting something only to become and be consumed by what you were fighting the judge is judging other people but at every second judging himself for what he did in 5 you think what your doing is justified but know matter what you do or why you do it there will always be consequences and in a interaction the judge has with nana where’s he’s crying it tells us that he regrets what happened in 5 and I think he doesn’t talk because he’s always talking to himself but he’s telling himself that he can’t take back what he did,
(Or I could be completely wrong this is just what I think)
💥Spolier Alert💥: I'm fine with the choice of the Judge. At least the Rook is still alive. The Judge could have ended up like Arthur Morgan from RDR2.....
Too soon my dude.
I appreciate you giving a spoiler alert but u should have given a spoiler alert for RDR 2 as well
in state as it is, it would be better if rook died at the end of FC5.
Wow, it's so nice to hear someone that *actually* understands the point and the message of Far Cry rather than just griping about "losing all their progress" or "what was the point of the game?!" You're right. Far Cry 5's story and ending, as well as the Dep's transformation into The Judge, were genius. I just wish more people saw that.
Its good in theory but the execution was lacking.
Don't get me wrong, i loved farcry5. I still play it even though i have new dawn haha.
Heres why i think it was lacking, I'll give my own reasons for liking it as well.
1) the judge isnt his own character, so seeing him in new dawn doesnt matter for people who havent played 5.
I love 5 so it worked for me.
2) the only interaction with other characters are just your own eavesdropping in on their one sided conversations.
I loved this, hurk has the best interactions with the judge and his interaction with nana is heartbreaking.
But again, if you havent played 5 it's meaningless.
3) he wears a mask to hide his face. Not only does it look awesome but it adds mystery to the character and solves the problem of having the character possibly not looking like our own from 5. It closed one hole which is good.
So why do other characters know who he is if the whole point of the mask is to hide his face?
Again, i love the idea but some more development would have been nice. Like a cutscene where your friends piece together who he is.
Its possible that your own character told them off screen since we read the papers in the bunker where the judge and the father survived, but it wouldn't have impacted our character since they just met these ppl. So i doubt it would cross our charatcers mind to even mention it.
But again, i loved both games, 5 and new dawn. The stories were just a bit lacking, which doesnt kill the experience if you love farcry.
A Talking Koala I completely agree! I feel as if it was a mistake to say that New Dawn could be a *stand alone* sequel. While it’s true you can totally play without having to play FC5 at all, it just takes away from all the experience. I definitely wish they had just waited and made New Dawn into a full size game. There was *so* much more they could’ve done with it story wise! Discovering the Judge’s identity could’ve been a longer more drawn out mission and there was definitely more they could’ve done surrounding Ethan’s back story! I mean, he’s the actual birth son of Joseph?? I would’ve liked to see more of that! I felt like his betrayal was too rushed and we didn’t really have enough time to grasp the sense of what was actually going on.
But, yes. I loved FC5 so New Dawn was great for me. Wish it could’ve been the same for others.
@@PinkieBat yep yep yep haha
Im glad theres someone with an analytical brain that could set all that aside and enjoy the game still
iam right there with ya both i love 5 and a new dawn as well.I agree also that since its a smaller game, that some story points were not as well fleshed out as they could have been.They introduced some pretty interesting concepts tho.Such as scavenging outposts and retaking them . One of the thing they did well tho in this game is hanging a good mix of failure sights and characters along with the new. i have to admit tho i kind of mildly geeked out the first time i did selenes mission and considering where that took place lol that made a shorter story much more tolerable
You should play as the judge aka the rook in a dlc if Ubisoft want to put dlc in
This storyline was amazing. The only mistake Ubisoft made was not making this a trilogy.
This is the first far cry game ever made that made it so what happens to your character in previous far cry games when the other ones they don't say anything about the other characters
I want this guy to read me a bedtime story 😂
And to all a good night!
I personally wasn’t bothered one way or the other with the Judge, tbh none of this that you talk about even came to mind or concerned me, just another Far Cry game that i enjoy playing :)
I think it was an immensely bold decision and I think it payed off hugely. This is the first time we’ve really ever seen the main character be destroyed by their own actions and it is there to show the power of a cult mentality. You, the one fighting with your life to end Joseph starts to worship him. It represents that in that situation you don’t have control over your actions and it’s one of my favourite all time story choices made in a game. Second only to the ending of RDR2 where the main campaign ends
All I want is for the Judge to talk. The Judge seems like a guy to me.
Edit: If they decided to let Judge speak, I think you'd make a good voice for him.
I loved the Judge charakter and imo its incredible funny that how they explained what happened to Rook. Very clever...
Excellent video man.
I think your right. It'd been good if the Judge took off the mask when you killed Joseph. But then again they couldn't. Was the Judge a woman or man in the last game. What'd you play Rook as a man or a woman? I'd been really turn of events if it'd happened. I'd been nice to keep tying the games together as knowing there will be a Part ll of the story.
I loved it. Massive guilt and years of stockholm manipulation trapped in that bunker with The Father could do that to a person.
C O N T R I V E D nonsense. He gets kidnapped like 7-9 times, gets let go every time and then Joseph Ending comes and tells you all your work was trash and pointless. It tries hard to tell you something about violence, but fails to construct a believable or logically coherent narrative.
Like you should have joined or run and just let them torture people. Because inaction never results in death or violence.
It’s a disservice to kill Joseph not as the judge. Literally the name the judge is important in that he should judge the fate of Joseph. When we as players choose to kill him, which I did bc i mean come on, is from a point of view of being the rook. We played as rook and had to deal with Joseph through all that. Us as players use Rooks mindset when we choose Joseph’s fate so why not be Rook instead of a random guy. Thinking with Caps pov he obviously has no reason to kill down Joseph.
Next Farcry needs more player choices that affect the story
= shit story
Far Cry 5 : Bad ending.
Far Cry New Dawn... Nope. Still bad.
They just keep kicking and kicking us even though we are down already.
Joseph Seed was forgiven, and he arguably doesn't deserve it. So I don't see why Judge can't be forgiven. I feel an emotional connection to that character, and we were trying to do the right thing. To completely defeat and destroy the hero... I just don't understand what the lesson is there.