2022 GSXS 1000 with Big Gains after the ECU is Unrestricted
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2022
- Moore Mafia FINALLY gets a 2022 GSXS 1000 on the dyno and shows the HUGE restrictions in the factory ECU. Watch as we create horsepower in an instant!
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I was thinking about this the other day.. Said "there has got to be someone with gsxs1000 2022" Team MooreMafia for the win! For the owner- you rock Sir!
This is why we watch your channel. You are always first. Always knowledgeable and always a complete quality tune-up-plus. Always awesome. Thank you Chris....you the man!
Wow, cannot believe the baffle in and out makes such a difference to the power 😳
Stock 2019 here, 152.9 at wheel. Obvs, usual airbox mod, secondaries and servo done.
This video is amazing. Honestly, I was about to go down to see my Suzuki dealer tomorrow to buy the same bike but now, I'm thinking of going for a 2019 model. Thanks for the fab insight.
These are amazing bikes and even if that was the case with a few hp less here and there i wouldn't consider getting the older version. After all, these aren't supersports with windscreens and bent back position riding machines..I love the bike and makes for a very enjoyable ride each and every time with plenty of power everywhere (in stock form still)
Just got my gsxs1000 back from my tuner, she made 137bhp at the wheel, much bigger exhaust and still nice and loud.
I just added CS racing full exhaust to my gsxs 750 and a nice change is very much louder and free flowing I should get Moore mafia to tune it the exhaust made good difference much faster take off much better than stock
Man I just got my ECU back from Moore mafia today. 2019 GSXR 750, I’m absolutely impressed!! Video to coming soon.
Look forward to it!
... look forward to seeing it.
That's going to be my Christmas 🎄 gift 🎁 to myself. I love the look of them.
If Suzuki hadn't taken so long in bringing this bike to the US I'd probably be riding it instead of my Road King. I hope it's still around after I pay off my bike. Would love to have one someday.
Want it!! I got a 2016 but there's something about the 2022 update I'm in love with
Maybe a graph overlay of the old gsxs 1000 would have helped here.
Yeah. It's appears to be down on peak compared to the original GSXS but maybe it makes more elsewhere in the rev range?
Hah saw you grabbing those headphones at the final pull..that baffle didn’t reduce the sound as much as you thought!
I just both same one 2023 hopefully in future come good choice of exhaust systems to bay!
no offence, your intro sounded like we caught you by surprise with you eating lunch XD
that tune on this bike is sick
Man I know you and Mrs.Moore Mafia had a good time... y'all are doing the damn thing... and those guys should know your beer is Corona 💩... and you keep making them slow boys fast
Please do a dyno tune of a 2018+ Honda CB1000R. I got a mail in ecu tune by you guys and it was great. Would be awesome if you can get one in for a video.
I'm so glad I saw this video. I was looking at a CS exhaust for my '16 GSXS1kF because it's such a clean look. Scratch that one off the list!
Have’d you’ve made a choice yet?
@@castpro3494 have not. Maybe M4, who knows!
@@The_Coleman yeah thats what i am leaning more towards.
He got 15 more HP out of a gsx 1000f with the same pipe. The pipe isn’t the best. But they’re are some internal restrictions on this bike for sure
As others already said most of the european magazines and/or exhaust manufacturers measured about 138-141 hp at the wheel and mostly about ~155 hp at the clutch so something about this exhaust might be wrong..
Straight Piping an engine that is developed to perform with two giant catalysts below that generate a remarkable amount of back pressure can go wrong. I'd go for a Yoshi/Arrow/Akra Full System…
He got 15 more HP out of a older gsx 1000f with the same pipe. The pipe isn’t the best. But they’re are some internal restrictions on this bike for sure
@@toofastnobrakes That sucks to know, I was aiming for this new GSXS1000 since the 2020 ones are all sold out everywhere and the used market isn't worthy. I guess I'll have to resort to MT's
Catalytic converters are designed to not impede exhaust flow much, so the statement about a “remarkable amount of back pressure” is entirely incorrect, the diameter, length and internal geometry of the exhaust system play a significantly larger role….
Thinking about it Chris, there would be NO ONE better for Suzuki to ask for input about there bikes. Have they ever reached out to you?
Just got the 2023 GSXS-1000 this week! Love it, will be sending in to you all soon for the flash. Still waiting on some decent options for exhaust systems. Currently, thinking the full M4 system is my best option.
Cannot wait
From my understanding the first gen aftermarket systems fit the second gen, I just got a old lady a 2022 and it has a yoshi midpipe and slip on but she doesn’t like it to much, Brock Davidson said Chris has put the first gen penta carbon full system from the first gen on the second gens.
What are your thoughts about 2023 GSXS-1000? I am selling my 2020 R6 to buy that one.
@@carlosjanones8090 Getting my 2023 this week.
Will try to remember to give you my feeling about it.
Ride safe buddy.
@@kermit8619 Thanks, I hope you enjoy it. I went with MT 10. Just got it today. and I loved it.
@moore mafia will you have a cb1000r video soon? Would live to see what you can do for a newer CB1000r
Just picked up a 2023 gsx s1000. What is the cost to have my ecu flashed? Should I wait until I get a full system exhaust for optimum performance? Any info is greatly appreciated.
Chris, after tuning with the baffle removed, will the bike run slightly richer with it then replaced ? Also, does this apply in reverse, i.e., if a bike is dynoed with the baffle in place, will it run lean if the baffle is later removed ? I have an SV thou which has an exhaust collector that's so pancake flat in appearance, that baffle in or out makes no difference to spark plug condition, although the bike definitely feels less 'fluffy' in town with the baffle removed. Been that way for 15 years and hasn't melted any valves, whatever !
Regards from Wales.
The Frankenstein Flash 🙂 I don't like the header that muffler could have something hidden in it like more baffles.that equals restrictions
How does the gearing of the bike affect the Dyno results? I know your comparing stock to tune on same gears but what if I drop 2 on front , how would that affect the dyno readings ?? Thank you for what you do Chris
Chris bro where I can find perfect mid link pipe for Suzuki gsx-s1000 2022. I want to change my stock exhaust to Yoshimura slip-on exhaust
Man I miss my 06 k6 I never should of sold! As soon as you started this bike it sounded just like it.
it's almost the same engine
I have both and the power difference is huge. The GSXS feels like a stump puller, super torquey; but the GSXR is a rocket! The GSXS is very comfortable, even after 3-4 hours in the saddle.
Found this: New camshaft profiles decrease lift and valve overlap not only to improve emissions, but balance the engine’s performance and drivability, enhancing rider control. That's why the top end it so low me thinks. 🤨
"....but balance the engine’s performance and drivability"
That's marketing-speak for "we de-tuned it to please environmental regulators, and programmed the ECU to make this de-tuning function properly for the rider"
If Euro-5 is so bad that Suzuki is forced to either increase engine displacement to keep/increase horsepower, or simply detune the engine, reducing horsepower and meet Euro-5 compliance, I think Suzuki being a small motorcycle manufacturer that doesn't have a ton of money to reconfigure an engine is going to take the easy way.
Meanwhile Aprilia, Yamaha, KTM, Ducati, Triumph and others are bumping up displacement to maintain or increase horsepower while meeting Euro-5.
I hate environmental regulations, as their purpose for existence is 98% a lie.
What would you suggest is the best exhaust for the gsxs 1000
Yeah buddy love the thumbnail 👆🤘💯🤟🦾🦾😎💯
Could you have tried a free flowing silencer on it just to get data even if it didn't fit properly on the bike. It's only got to seal up not look pretty on the Dyno.
Installs a full system wants the bike quiet. Ok buddy. Im in Aus and just got a 22 gsx-s 1000. Do you do international or only inside the US.
This has to be redone with another bike having an akra or yoshi exhaust system..
Sounds like some gsx-s owner is mighty disappointed with these numbers😅🤣😂. I have no doubt that this is a great bike but lacking character, I'll take my '18 mt10.
@@dg8062 not yet a gsx-s owner. I would like to own the 2022 model.. currently I own Yamaha MT 09
@@dg8062 I wanted a MT10 but couldn’t find one anywhere so I got a gsxs instead. You really cant compare the two.
Have one and I love it! 2021 mod. Plenty fast and easy to handle,even tho its a bit heavy
Older model euro 4 had more power , no ?
@MooreMafia, This is the same bike as the GSX-S 1000F's and previous versions of this bike just different body work right? My friend had you flash his GSX-S 1000F ECU last year. Did they change the ECU's as well?
I see you use 5.gear in the "before flash test", but after flash you use 4.gear. Is it because it is still limited in top speed even after the flash?
Love these videos
I got a gsxs 2015 with cat delete mivvgp with db killer and ecu flash and i got 154.6 on rear wheel are those good numbers?
i have a 2018 gsxs1000. CA bike which means max detuned. I added a dynojet commander, heath F1 light eliminator, cut out my catalytic and placed a straight pipe along with an MP4 muffler, which is ice and loud, but saves my life when splitting cars . The bike still has a flat spot at low end which is dangerous when out street racing. they cannot legally performance dyno out in this state, so I need to take it to AZ to have it dyno and mapped to get rid of that low end. any suggestions? i noticed your dyno machine is from dyno-jet! I should have bought a cbr 1000 rr or gsxr 1000.
Can you do anything for a gsxs 750? I had an gsxr 750 a while back but the s is considerably restricted.
My Z tuned by you would keep up with this
his dyno was 10% off during this filming. 135hp is what they made stock. I have seen 150hp from other tuners. No way this thing made 125hp stock. Maybe he did it on purpose? maybe his dyno wasn't calibrated? 125hp stock is ridiculously off. In reality the bike made 147hp. I know mine which is stock has more power than my other 125hp bike, and a lot more power than a z900.
Newby here I have question is it still recommended to travel using a remap bike
Checking out the tie wrap.
That's a good looking bike!!
Those cs exhausts renowned for massive power loss I thought it wouldn't matter what pipe you out on but clearly it does cause that is drastic losses
I wish it had been stone stock, those numbers are quite low baseline. Looking forward to seeing the GT tune and results. Suzuki did change the cams to help the midrange along with quite a few other new engine parts. From Rider Magazine: New camshaft profiles, valve springs, throttle bodies, and airbox, and a revised 4-2-1 exhaust contribute to a 2-hp bump in peak power, a broader, smoother torque curve, and Euro 5 emissions compliance. On Jett Tuning's dyno, the GSX-S1000 sent 136 hp and 73 lb-ft of torque to the rear wheel.
+2 peak power would put this bike at north of 150 wheel, if we are comparing to the ultimate ability of the engine compared to last-gen settings. I think the CS Racing is really choking it down, but I just don't see it being 10hp less than possible.
I just put 750 break in miles on my new gt. So glad I ran across this video. I screen saved their name and phone number. Calling them next week
who is jeff? Yes, these baseline numbers are really low. Baseline from what I have seen is almost the peak HP this thing made after the changes. I think realistically, it made 147hp.
Excellent!Awesome gains! Btw i own a 2022 gsxs1000 I am hearing a rattling sound inside the engine during cold start or whenever the bikes gets cold.is that normal?thnks
I have a brand new 2023 picked it up with 0 miles and it does the same thing my previous Suzuki an 07 bandit 1250 did the same thing i guess its just the Suzuki rattle on cold start lol
Can you do pop and dang tune for this new GSX-S1000?
Good day, i own a 2020 suzuki katana, do you happen to sell a tune for my bike? Installing header and intake
Stock 2020 gsxs1000 with 152bhp at the rear wheel after a remap.
Stock exhaust, stock intake only remapped to cure the snatchy throttle.
Suzuki dealer tells me the throttle bodies are smaller on the new one as well as lower lift cams and the revised exhaust for emissions.
Yeah but these numbers are still really low. People on the forums are pulling 148-150 from theirs and 2wheeldynoworks got 150hp. I don't know how moore got those numbers. A stock '21+ GSXS makes 135 stock. 125hp is just crazy. My 2003 TL1000R makes125hp stock. his dyno is 10% off on this. In reality it made 147hp.
@@rm25088 dynos differ. Altitude and humidity can only be corrected so much.
@@UpsideDownFork yeah that's a big difference. He is located in a very swampy and hot environment.
Would you guys be able to do a 2022 GSX-S750Z ecu flash if I were to send it in?
I will wait until you get one whit at leas full arrow exhaust (which is out there).
When i contacted woolich for my 21 cb1000r...they didnt give me the option to send in the computer 🤔. If that's what it'll take im willing.
That exhaust looks like that brazilian one. Not sure how good they actually are. Could be interesting to see a comparison between stock exhaust and this. Do that please!
They say this bike has 150 on the crank.
I'll keep my k6gsxr 1000 it's standard,k&N yoshimura end can,,but this year it's getting an ECU flash,, and a 44tooth rear sprocket again,,☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland like the gsx ,,flat bars on mine and no bodywork mods
Hi just purchased this bike want to send my ecu to you to have it flashed can a tune gain power when has a stock exhaust??
have you done any gsx-s950 yet ? :)
That's GSXR 750 numbers! With a flash and exhaust. It's a 1000 that's crazy
is possible to make more power in gsxs 950 same engine ,only electronic system is diffrent?
Wow, I thought it would have more hp than that?????? My z900 isnt far from that and I'm not sure if it's worth the upgrade in price in my area????
You got 146 peak hp out of a 2016 Suzuki GSX-1000F with that same exhaust a year ago. The F model is pretty much the same as the naked version. That 2022 is lacking! Did you check the airbox and see what type of filter he was running. I had a K&N filter on my 2016 and it was holding the bike back with your flash. I popped a BMC race filter in and the bike feels like it's pulling much harder. That K&N for the GSXS has a weird design. I'm just trying to figure out why that thing isn't making nearly as much power as the old version
The gsxs 1000F has bigger throttle bodies than the new ride by wire GSX-S 1000 engines. Thats the difference you’re noting.
Yeah but even so this is really low. People on the forums are making 147-150 on both the GT and naked. I will find out soon. Not doing flash but dyno. His dyno seems to be 10% off. That bike should've pulled atleast 145. If you are going to do a flash, go with 2WDW. 150hp out of the new GSXS. I had to come back and watch this video because my mind is boggled.
Would love to see what is possible with the 950 variant
The 950 is actually able to go to the same HP as the 1000. A company here in Netherlands shows it on their instagram.
@@Kraiden85what is the name of the instagram page?
With the Euro5 these bikes are built for it would make sense that they detuned the cams.. would be interesting to see if you can claw back that hp with a cam swap.
I had hoped to score a GT this year but finances went to hell.. hopefully someone more fortunate will hook you up so when things come back around you've got a tune ready for me 🤣
I tried to buy one for months in ky and most shops didn't even get an allocation for one. I gave up months ago and got a call the other day saying one came in. Too late for me, I bought a muscle car to restore in that time.
@@jackalo626 similar here, but when I got the call I had gotten walloped with medical bills. I have a '91 GSX1100F which by all means in my mind the GT is a direct decendent of..so it makes sense to have the modern version of a bike I deeply cherish 😁
@@unfree.radical I already have a new vstrom and a cbr1000rr so I wasn't really let down. Was gonna buy it though but that 69 mopar fell into my hands.
@@jackalo626 Mopar's are hens teeth right now. I think you took the right road there!
I like my cs racing exhaust on my Gsxr1000 but it made different than that one it's louder than stock but not stupid loud like a voodoo exhaust
I would like the tourer, but I ain't got the time to tour right now..
Just curious. Do you happen to know if the 2005 GSXR-1000 cams will bolt into the 2022 GSXS-1000? 2022 GSXS-1000GT? Would be interesting to see if you get the amazing K5 broad power band and unlocked HP. Back in the day Superstock road race bikes were making over 190HP. They had to use stock cams with very little to no engine mods.
Don’t see why they wouldn’t fit .
I have thought of the same thing , can you imagine the power increase.
Don’t understand why Suzuki wouldn’t make a true super naked .
engine internals would need to be beefed up to be able to rev high and take advantage of the cams, which would substantially raise the price
This bike makes 138.9 hp with STOCK EXHAUST on the Dyno….
Somethings wrong with this exhaust system I was going to buy it for my Katana but now I’m not. Maybe it’s leaking.. I saw some reviews showing that the ends of the flanges are too long for the manifold and stick out too far causing leaking.
He bought a budget sport naked and put a budget exhaust on it. Numbers don't surprise me.
MCN (UK) tested the naked gsxs1000 naked at 146bhp and the gt at 139bhp, both stock.
In one of Chris's earlier videos he mentioned that bikes outside of the US make more power.
1st maybe.
Wow , the 16-18 models were at 153-156 ?
We're they though?
Yeah some dude I talk to was pulling 155hp out of a 2020. Some changes were made but it should not be this low. 147-150 is what everyone got on the forums. His numbers seem to be 10% off. Either a bad day or wanted to make the bike look bad, because everyone seems to care about high horsepower figures even if they can't use 1 percent of it. I wouldn't waste my money on this tune.
Chris...any insights why this bike made so much less than the 2 gsxs' in your vid from 4 months ago?
Euro 5 compliance I assume
I guess it still pays of to convert a gsxr to a streetfighter. At least you get the hp that would make the helmet emerge with the face.
130 ish hp was what we got from the first streetfighters 20 years ago.
well i guess i know what the first thing im doing is after i get mine next week
Do you have a flash for a 2022 kawasaki z900 se?
why is the horse power so low for a tuned 1000 something is up with that exhuast like uu said
OG GSX-S1000 is the only liter bike I've ever ridden, and it's the only bike that ever scared the shit out of me. This doesn't seem far from something like an MT-09 or Z900 honestly
Yeah something is wrong with this dyno pull. Check out 2WDW. He made 150hp along with others.
Damn i got 120whp on my SRAD 750 carbed modell from 1996 with just a another muffler and K&N airfilter. So the new gsxs 1000 must be heavily restricted
Have you did that custom Air box yet for Kawasaki ZX-10R $till waiting on video @Chris Moore
Massage me because idk where you go to private message
Looks like we will be staying old school at this rate 🤣, baffle in and out is night an day for me , I can feel the power loss riding it so that confirms the power gains with it out for me 100%
Is this your bike? It’s a beauty. How long did woolich have ecu before it came back? I may donate mine
@@donaldwiggins7740 no it's not mine sadly , I have a 2007 fz1n and baffle in and out Make a big difference
So the consensus is baffle out? What about taking the baffle out of the stock exhaust or is that just a waste of time?
Nice bike but I expected more like 140 hp, maybe needs an air filter and different exhaust.
Yah. I expected too
Why is the power like a all out 600cc or a 750 supersport when its a 1000cc sport bike??
When he did the 2016 GSXS 1000 F video it made 144hp with that same exhaust.
@@Jason.cbr1000rr It's a detuned K5 Gixxer 1000 engine. They purposely re-cammed it and tuned it to yield much lower horsepower for the Gixxes chassis, bur more usable torque for street riding.
@@Jason.cbr1000rr Because torque on a 600 and 750 run about 45 to 55 ft-lb max. These big displacement engines (relatively big) run 75-80 ft-lb. That's a lot more snort at lower rpm to shove you forward without the need to wait for the engine to scream.
As an example, I took a 1250 Bandit out on a demo years ago. Before that tach hit 4,000 rpm that engine was SHOVING HARD, felt like the torque was bottomless, like I could twist that grip as far as I wanted and it would still shove harder, regardless of how relaxed the engine sounded.
What about air box, filter mod ?
I swear I'm bringing my 14 down from Lattimore been too dang busy.
I'd be interested in knowing how a completely stock exhaust compares. 🤔
We all wondering the same thing mine is completely stock would love to know what a ecu flash would do... 🫣
I own one of these bikes. The factory pipe is not very restrictive. I'd venture to say there is probably no difference in performance with just a slip on. The difference comes when you remove the cat and silencer box. They're very restrictive and heavy.
TRUNKS, LET'S GO!
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i must have missed something here... but why is that bike ''only'' doing 133bhp when other gsxs 1000 stock makes 150 bhp ?
I'd rather buy the old version right now based off this. Old Gen made 150+hp and 80ftlbs. Thats a big jump between the 2022, unless you really want the Tech.
No electronic neutering for me , I like it analog
No electronic neutering for me , I like it analog
Full throttle by wire allows quickshifter up/down, which by all reports looks to be better than European brands for smoothness and precision. Lots of people whine about the lack of cruise control. Throttle by wire allows for cruise, so don't be upset about Suzuki going this route. Also makes it easier for shops to tune everything in great detail with TBW. Analogue vs TBW isn't where power is being sapped. It's the ECU, probably milder cams, and exhaust system not flowing very well.
Christ, my old K2 made 151 rwhp with 83 ft/lb with power commander, full akky and filter kit....a lot of money for about 9hp I would almost never use tbh lol
Because Moore mafia tunning is not cheap!
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i fuck with that front end and dash display, sounded the same without the baffle lol. should just leave it out
Not gonna lie those numbers make me sad lol I kind of wanted one of those bikes until I watched this. I rode a gsxr 1000 for 10 years sold it bought a road king. Love the comfort but really miss the power. I was thinking the gsxs1000 would be a good compromise but I’m not sure I’d be happy with it either.
Don’t let the numbers fool you, it’s a great ride. I had a 13 gsxr 750 woolich tuned, amazing ride. This feels same but stronger in more useable power on road with excellent comfort
Go for an older model. 16-20
In case people wondered, the "older models" are scarce as hens' teeth in this modern used market climate.
Why this Bike has only ~130hp? My GSXS 2022 has 152hp Stock. (Live in Germany)
Just purchased a 2015 GSX-S750, read up on the GSX-R making close to 150hp and the GSX-S only makes ~110, can that be just tuned to match?
I think those numbers are reversed.
looked like you ran the second test in 4th gear ??
Why can’t Suzuki put the New Gxs- 1000 GT dash on it? that analog screen is terrible. That’s the one thing that’s stopping me from considering this motorcycle.
This bike makes upper 140s rwhp in Euro spec (std), almost as much as they claim.....what's going on for US spec ? Not convinced with that exhaust - Chris, please find another with a well developed system - would be great to know 🙂👍👍👍👍
I’d want to tune it on the stock exhaust. So many aftermarket systems are poorly designed and make less power.
Well-designed...like the stock exhaust system?
is this the same ecu as the 2022 GSX-S1000 GT?
You should do a top speed run on all bikes you tune from now on.
Not many legal places to do that in the country.
@@unfree.radical not on the road but do top speed on the Dyno. Everyone is always curious what their theoretical top speed is.
Older model with redline extended, running some impressive speeds: ruclips.net/video/YEE1SoybV6A/видео.html
@@unfree.radicalYes in Germany is 1 hour ride for me.
I like the cs exhaust system it’s affordable for what it is and it is different it’s very sleek / hugging the bike so for someone who doesn’t care about performance but wants a minimum looks I would say go for it
Junk. Buy a bike with brembos and throw that pile on there wtf?
This guy needs to buy a Yoshimura exhaust!
I just bought one of these and where I live the dyno guy didn't know what I meant when I said 'ecu flash'. He must have googled and can back saying he could do it but I would need a new exhaust because he couldn't get a good fuel sample from the stock one. Does that sound right? Also, do I need a full system or a slip on? Any recommendations?
you need block off plates for the PAIR system. It effects the reading.