@@VarsVerum oh and one idea for ziggs that I forgot, riot needs to make it where his nuke actually acts like a nuke giving radiation poisoning to the enemy as well a bit of a movement boost too would be nice. And a damm Omega Squad Skin.
Ziggs main here. - First of all i love that all of his abilities are skillshots, it's more interesting than targeted abilities. - I also hate playing combo champs. It feels a little constraining being more or less forced to use a specific combo. - Him being a poke champion makes him more forgiving of mistakes. If you fuck up a combo, that's it. If i fuck up a Q it's no big deal. - He has a pretty ok and especially safe waveclear with his Q. - He's a turret destroyer. It's so much fun quickly taking down a tower when the enemy mid laner makes the mistake to leave lane. Also very helpful in endgame pushing. - He's a yordle.
I think the coolest thing about ziggs is when someone thinks they can jump on you and you mash all your buttons on top of yourself and they get one shot while thinking they were going to one shot you
i guess...but tbh there's a ton of mages that can do the same or better, snydra, veigar, annie, viktor, zyra etc. Veigar in particular epitomises the 1 shot, with enough stacks, even 1 ability can pretty much 1 shot a squishy, let alone 3. Snydra also is a god of the 1 shot, with her ulti and a few balls up, you can delete people from their existence in miliseconds, while also consistently knocking the assassin back and stunning them, so even if you're a bit weak, there's still a good chance of escape. I really like his q, but his poke feels so inconsistent compared with xerath/velkoz, and his w and e are long cds and kinda underwhelming. Assassins or dashes in general are of course a nightmare, and the fact his passive is based around tower destroying is just weird. He's pretty easy to gank, so pushing up to get tower plating is often a free kill if the enemy jungler is watching.
nowadays playing any champion that would rather be far away from the enemy than close up just feels like more trouble than it's worth because every modern champion and their dog has 47 milloin gap closers in their kit not to mention the new items only made things worse)
True, that's kind of why Zoe somewhat fell off. She's still good, but at the same time it's hard playing her nowadays, especially with teammates that doesn't seem to understand how to play around her and she is super squishy.
true, but some-one like xerath is still pretty powerful, he can bully almost anyone out of lane with very consistent poke and then use his ulti to, "gank," other lanes. He's pretty much the more consistent poke version of ziggs, who also has a better ulti. All ziggs has in return is the extra tower damage, which is really risky to go for as an artillery mage, given how easy it is to gank them.
@@timeless1882 Zoe more fell off because of the nerfs, she herself is a very modern champion, and there were still a billion champions with dashes at the time she was released, but the insane speed she can get from her w really helps. But since the nerfs to her damage, and given her difficulty lvl, most people don't bother since there are easier champs with more consistent damage (see xerath)
giving people the ability to buy hard CC was the single worst decision riot has ever made, shortly followed by giving people the ability to buy a dash with CC and that followed by a dash with bonus damage. Who in their right mind thought that letting people buy dashes or hard CC was a good call? "oh its darius, hes a bruiser you can kite him" well no now that he can just buy a dash. God i hate some of the new items, the fucking Everfrost is the worst offender. "here, have hard CC and damage on a ridiciously low cooldown, i know some people use summoner spells for that but lmao who needs those?"
As a former Ziggs one trick I can confirm he is perfectly fine. A balanced, fair champ with a specific and satisfying gameplay and niche. The problem is the whole game around him does not seem to follow the same principles and Riot has made it clear that they do not care about fairness or diversity of gameplay when laser-focusing on fast gameplay, flashy mechanics and accesible outplay potential has proved to be far more monetarily rewarding.
Could not agree more. Ziggs is a fair champion in a game full of other unfair ones. If your are good with him you can be strong and if you mess up well, it's fair you don't be strong. It is so good to play well with him because you know it is because you did really well ")
@@LuanaSouza-fw1iz I'd say maybe a third of the roster is stuck in this "Fair" champ. The older champs when the game was slower and more team focused back when the meta wasn't completely in stone. Hell, when Ziggs was put in, you could still make a choice to do doubles top. Now though? He and others have mechanically shunted out.
The fact that no one is scared of me as Ziggs makes me happy. When they underestimate you, that's the sweet moment when you prove them wrong and punish everything. I love this kind of champs that seem so ...mehhh. The surprise factor is the treat for their mains.
@@Kilesfactor don't be🤣 we all learn, we all do mistakes and hopefully we all improve. Soon you will be one of those who know what they are doing, just do your best and mute all☺️
@@Kilesfactor there are items that you can use against tanks and try to play safe. Maybe play with a premade to make sure you both will have each other's back. You will improve, don't worry 😉☺️
I just started the game and I got my ads handed to me by him so I saved up for him and I have him lvl 3 rn. I really like him XD and I personally don’t mind staying back and dealing slow damage
"Too fair" is actually why I main him as it alleviates conflict from teammates and sometimes enemies. An example is after a failed teamfight, so long as I did what I could, I rarely get blamed for anything. My team can't overestimate me as Ziggs, but they can't underestimate me as well. I get to be as reliable as I can be, and no one is ever against it. The same can be said for the enemy. Sort of. Ziggs does more often gets underestimated and rightly so apparently, but that also can be a good thing. More often than not, enemies actually tend to forget he is around whenever in a teamfight, letting him do his thing staying safe in the background. I agree with the passive, that thing is really conflicting. All of Ziggs' abilities far outranges his auto attack range, so it barely ever gets used besides turrets and minions.
Kinda same here, except I also feel kinda bad whenever I play facerolling noobchamps. I remember once feeling almost physically sick after trying out Sett and getting a penta on my first game. So many champs out there that just feel so much like outright cheating I'd rather play my old skillshot champs and let there be absolutely no doubt that all my wins are only a result of my own skill in a fair competition and not being blatantly favoured by the developer's arbitrary design philosophy.
best thing about fair champs is that if you were better than your opponents your enemy know you are better than them, this will make things more interesting
@@deadrixhanon1776 playing ziggs into yone, not fair fight to him in any means being its yone, the one of the longest range engage champion, but he was so afraid of me that he rather ulti full hp whoever than me, also sylas, got destroyed so hard that only thing he did to me, was stealing my ultimate
His passive is more of a concession than a perk. It still benefits him, but like all artillery mages(Lux, Xerath, Zoe, and velkoz, but also Ezreal, Kogmaw, Varus if you strech the definition)it exists to give them a reason to get into interaction range instead of just poking from far away.
I think what makes Ziggs special is the fact that nobody expects nothing from you, neither your team or the enemy, wich makes things waaaay easier when you one-shot the enemy AD Carry with a Q, or when you stole a Dragon from the Jungler who had no idea you were even there in first place I think is the simplicity and balance what makes Ziggs something of a "Jack of all trades" for every situation you have. But hey, that's just my opinion though.
@@VarsVerum keep up the work man. the algorithm is bound to pick up your videos one day. i found your channel from the why no one plays kayle video and subbed right after. i just got into genshin like 2 weeks ago and wouldnt you know it i check your channel and you make genshin videos!
@@bleggman77 Yeahh Genshin was sort of a wash for me. It's a fun game and I still play it, but I don't think it's a RUclips friendly game, there's not much to make content on and a lot of big names sort of ruined the rep for all of us with hyper clickbaity videos. I'm just in a bit of a slump where I don't know what videos to make that both get good traction and make me happy to make. League has the happy part, but 10+ hours per WNP video for only a thousand views is def not something I can do for the rest of my life.
@@VarsVerum yeah there isnt much content you can feasibly make on genshin. WNP is definitely content there is an audience for. just gotta fight the algorithm i guess. perhaps people just arent as interested in league videos anymore? i know exil and gbay99 are both having issues getting views on their recent videos so who knows.
@@VarsVerum maybe do a why no one watches league videos ? I'm just saying, it might give the good ol' rnjesus a good tug, and they might put you in the algorithm, I don't know man, no one seems to play league anymore, probs cuz it's so fucking toxic, but yea man, best of luck
the thing that makes ziggs so unpopular is the same thing that makes him so powerful. everything he does seems so underwelming at first, but when you master him you see that he actually has a LOOOT of hidden tricks you can use. for example: - his q has one of the biggest ranges on a basic ability in the entire game. even if your against an opponent that can gap close from an entire screen away (wich is all the time) your range is so immense that you can still easily CS and even push the lane while spamming Q - his W is maybe the best ability in his kit because of the versatility, when used correctly your basically ungankable by immediately throwing yourself under tower. it can create gaps, it can knock fleeing enemies back it can interrupt enemies (especially fun against an enemy nunu) and ofc it executes towers. - the minefield again seems underwhelming but because its damge is split between each mine, people ALWAYS understimate its damage ánd they get slowed wich means your Q will hit them way more. it can completely lock down escapes or engages in chokepoint or forces them to go in with at least 30% less health - his passive is insane late game. ziggs can push towers faster than his entire team, on his own. if any turret is left alone, regardless wether its full health or not, you just hit a passive, throw Q and E for the oncoming wave, hit another passive and the W, you can take a full health turret in less than 5 seconds. - his ult is ofc very nice for burst and executing enemies, but is also nice for pushing. oh youve slow pushed 2,5 waves worth of minion, well thank you for the free gold :) if you take TP instead of ignite, focus on playing safe early game, tunnel vision every weak turret there is regardless of possible danger you can take a champ that is very undertuned for todays standards and absolutely demolish objectives. you could lose a lane against an akali one-trick, being 1/5/0 and STILL win lane because of his insane waveclear and frankly top tier turret destruction and all of this is hidden cuz you would only notice these things if you decide to play a champ whose ability description only says 'he do damage, but from far away :O'.
@@gowther10commandments33 i believe he throws a cluster of bombs in an area which slow enemies when they walk through it so 4:32 shows the details and the other is satchel charge which knocks back you/opponents if near it when it explodes (4:23)
I think with these new patches make his ability do triple damage to jungle camps and he would be an awsome jungler with the ways he could come from with w
I would make his passive increased his empowered auto range by 50-150(scale with level) and when hit enemy will slow them by 25% for 0.5s. he can be officially meta apc and can be played in mid. His base auto range will be the same but his passive empowered auto will alow him to match with other adcs in meta like caitlyn ....etc. Also make his q have slow will be cancer.
@@Cecilia-ky3uw why land his skills when you can land Xerath's skills? Hard cc, much longer poke, ult with a duration and damage spread for executions at the right time.
A nice buff would be that if the enemy gets hit by your e the que area would be higher like when it lands minions. That shold make feel his e more scary.
I love ziggs! He's the most fun champion imo! He does enough damage, has a fun mechanic that lets you throw bombs easily, and he has major cc! He controls the battlefield until someone steps near him which is why he is a great team fighter rather than a great dueler. I think his abilities do go with each other since his e can slow down targets and make it easier to hit them with a q or a w but you can also throw your w first then e and bombard them with q. He's the best glass canon a player could ask for!! (P.S. the ultimate steals feel so good when you land them)
As a Ziggs player, I find a few good things about his kit and gameplay: 1. He scales incredibly well, even if he isn’t crazy fed. If someone can play him well enough to stay safe, he is a great team fighter. 2. His cool downs are incredibly low from mid to late game, especially his Q. He can constantly harass enemies as games progress. 3. His W is such a good disruption for many enemies. He can roam and help in jungle fights, and he can peel for teammates rather well. Note: these are all what I like about him as a main. Great video btw :)
I love ziggs, he’s the only one I play and I wouldn’t change a thing. I love the low play and ban rate, how minions can’t block any ability. I play him not with my brother on Alistair. Good video.
i am support main and got autofilled mid, picked ziggs as a joke pick and it worked amazing against yone, then in another game I was playing against sylas and he got gapped aswell
Ziggs is one of my main and i just love all those skill shots i mean the gratification you get when your bouncing bomb hits your target on the 3rd bounce makes you laugh like him haha the secret to him in a bad matchup is vision, ward, map control, split pushing and a lot of skill shot practice. His passive is not so useful on champs but on towers it just destroys. Leaving a ziggs pushing top lane while doing dragon is a bad idea :)
Basically ziggs is like the "good guys" who don't really shine that much, but he's just... there.... and not making any impression. Maybe they plan to rework it?
what if hitting satchel charge with your q caused it to explode bigger and deal bonus damage? cool thematically while adding synergy and combos to his kit.
make hes passive do bonus damage from further away, he is hexxplosive expert after all, makes sense that he can attack from afar and is "hexplosive" with attacks, just add some range to it like caitlyn headshot or something, he already has bonus damage but it would feel amazing, instead of buffing the damage just buff the aa range
The best thing about playing Ziggs is almost no one respects his ability to take a tower and push faster than any champion in the game. I'll walk into a lane with a half health tower and take it and they don't even notice till it's too late and I'm on the next tower.
I just started playing a few weeks ago and Ziggs was the second champion I unlocked with essence points. He's great and I enjoy playing him a lot. He's definitely my favorite to play and the fact that others don't play him much is all the better for me. I like him better than all the others I've tried so far, only one other even being reasonably close so far. Landing shots can be pretty satisfying too.
Man I picked up Ziggs for the tower execute, and I definitely feel the whole “meh” factor he’s got. I play lots of Xerath and he’s got combos, better range, and more satisfying abilities and Xerath isn’t even popular.
@@warwickeng5491 Yeah I love that I never go oom, also Xerath’s primary abilities don’t use projectiles so they reach distant targets quicker, I can hit Xerath q way easier than Ziggs q.
I guess to make him a bit more viable is to add another component in his passive where if the enemy champions got hit by his bombs 2 or 3 or even more times, they will get stunned. My basis for that is in real life, the consecutive explosion sound from the bombs will make someone disoriented or knocked out or lose consciousness. I dunno. But he really needs a hard CC to run away from his pursuers. 😅
LOL You want to give a champ that does 4000 damage at full build, a stun so he can land his entire combo? Ziggs would literally oneshot people from range
Old video but I've been playing ziggs in the 12.11 patch and he is amazing. The fact that he doesn't how specific combos you need to hit but rather relies on skill shots and reading the enemy makes him perfect for my play style.
as a ziggs main, he actually used to be a pretty good champ last season. these new items have really thrown a wrench in stuff and he is not nearly as good now. with all the crazy healing going on it makes his poke pretty much worthless. definitely needs alot more balancing. no love for mages these days.
I love ziggs. I get more hate from the enemy team as him than Teemo. He is annoying to play against and I love it. People worried about gap-closing divers; use that explosive charge to re-open the gap. Ziggs is fun as hell to play as. I know there are stronger choices but he is FUN to play. Especially on ARURF
I’ve mained Ziggs on and off for almost a decade now and I still get shocked to this day at how small his bouncing bomb hitbox is. Riot nerfed it to the ground once and has never looked back for some reason.
When I played League daily, Ziggs was in the top 3 that I played (the others were Xerath and Brand). I played them because their kits weren't a straight combo kit. I would use my abilities in different orders based on the situation. The champion I chose wasn't what won the encounter, it was how I played. I think Ziggs is an incredible design for a champion, the problem has become that his kit no longer fits into what LoL has become. The game is about quick bursts of action that are over quickly, item builds aren't varied (they never were but that's just what the game has always been). Yeah, he has his weaknesses, but champions should have weaknesses, its about how you play despite those shortcomings. You can either build to make his strengths stronger, or to buff up his weak spots.
as a ziggs main, here's my two cents: - personally, i prefer champions who have separate moves, and no fixed combos, coz then you're free to use your moves as necessary; more fluid. i'm happy to just wail on them with Qs and only W or E when needed. lord knows ziggs Q does enough damage on its own - i'm also glad that he's NOT locked behind power spikes. with other champions, it feels terrible when "the game is lost" before you even hit one core item. but ziggs feels fun at every stage of the game - also, he is useful at ALL stages of the game. when ahead, he can siege and damage champions without even being in tower range, and from behind, i would argue he has superior/mana efficient waveclear against his other artillery counterparts. there have been games, where with my ult and teleport, i've held all 3 lanes by myself, 1v5, when being pushed in by enemy team appreciate the content though bro, it's great hearing perspectives of mains from players who don't use them :o
Ziggs main. - I love the character and his gameplay style even though he can be wrecked fairly easily even when really far ahead which i find to be his biggest issue. - if i could change something, it would be his passive, which is handy for hitting towers and early game farming but that's about it. - If his passive rewarded him in some way for hitting skill shots that would be amazing, E.G. stack ability haste, or movement speed. - or possibly his minefield could slow more would be a big help, plus it would then be easier to hit his other abilities.
I feel like reworking his passive would be enough to make him way more relevant, something like "periodically his next basic ability will deal extra damage" or similar wich is a passive some champs have, for the rest his kit is perfect as it is, because it makes him very unique.
So one thing that people overlook about Ziggs that I think is kinda big is just how amazing of a tool his ultimate is for controlling the map and being a band-aid for people's mistakes. You might actually bring more value for your team using it to clear waves than you do using it for kills: If your top lane or bot lane dies and you're mid with ziggs, you can delete all the enemy minions on that lane... Delete a stacked minion wave with it and you can net yourself 260 gold and a ton of EXP, if one of those waves is a cannon wave that's up to 330 gold, more than a kill and all it costs you is a ~2 minute cooldown ultimate. You can leave your own lane to go roam and just ult the wave from across the map to buy yourself more on the map without missing a single CS. Aaaand since there aren't any minions left in the lane anymore, the enemy can't capitalize on the kill to push the tower, get a recall or roam. Every two minutes (not accounting for ability haste) you essentially erase every advantage an enemy gets for a kill but the gold while also gaining almost a kill's worth of gold and EXP for yourself that your opponent in the lane can't match.
I know it makes him a little more unpopular with the "combo crowd" but I LOVE Zigg's kit of similarly themed but mechanically distinct abilities, first off it keeps his identity more clean cut and identifiable, Ziggs is the one guy who does what he does. Plus having an "Arsenal" of like-minded abilities to suit many functions makes way more sense for a demolitionist's kit. I will say though, if I could change something, his minefield should stop dashes that go into it, not just slow the opponent, it would go a looong way to dealing with assassins instantly popping him like a fuzzy balloon.
I love Ziggs because he has a big personality and because whenever you aim his Bouncing Bomb or Ultimate it's like I'm playing the old crane game at the arcade. It feels fantastic to land these abilities. I think that Satchel Charge is probably the hardest ability to use though. You have to use it right with positioning and timing plus it doesn't always go the way you want it to. Satchel + Minefield combos have to be quick. Rune choice is important on Ziggs too, I think too many people get tunneled on Arcane Comet. There are other playstyles that fit Ziggs. I think Domination and Inspiration are both underrated. I don't see anyone talking about Glacial Augment Ziggs but it puts a slow on his Satchel that makes it like a second Minefield.
Hello, i'm was a main ziggs for a while, and somethings you say is ritgh. Fist, Ziggs passive is very, "Why i have this?", the damage is okay in the early game but, after that, you just wanted something more, you know. If a Rework Happen, i eanted this passive become something like this " Every 15 seconds he would get a 'super attack', what this would do? He would make the next attack that hit someone ( Champion or Minion ) would do more damage, i belive this would be much better to him, as a poke mage. His Q, on my opinion, is very strong, i just wanted they add something like the nidalee spear, the more the bomb travel on the direction you launch in, the more damage he would do. ( Imagine this new Q and his passive toghether, would be a lot of damge, don't you think? ) His W is meh, i would do this, the more you are in the corner of his W, more away he would go, ( i know he already do something like this, but it would be buffed.). His E his okay, maybe more smaller bombs, to the enemy don't see them. And his R would be more fast to go to the enemy and his range wold be higher.
Ziggs main here, you absolutely CAN combo with him but it’s not as obvious as other champions. You can use satchel to push enemies into your e, ult and q. Being able to do this though is pretty tricky in an actual game though, good luck landing that on a kata/akali
Ziggs q needs an ability like TF’s pick a card where he can have different kind of bombs at his disposal. For example noxious bomb that works similar to twitch poison or a smoke bomb that works like graves grenade. Or a passive ability that if you cast your minefield directly on a champ it works like rengar’s net and can root enemies for a few seconds. Or give his satchel charge a toggleable ability to either sit and detonate turrets or travel and target enemies like maokai’s saplings. Maybe make it so his ultimate makes a crater like how J4’s ultimate changes the terrain after landing.
Ziggs is sort of my biggest pocket pick but I love him so much. I honestly really started enjoying him more after learning Taliyah. Using Ziggs W similarly to Taliyahs kit for displacement makes him so strong in early game. W Bounce then into bad positions or even or mine field, super good to learn how and when to do this if you want to learn this awesome champ!
i like ziggs, he is sorta weak, but his Q spam is nice way to zone control, his satchel is quite good escape tool and his mines are really strong as if you dash through them, they deal a lot of dmg, his ult is sorta lackluster, giving are where it explode way ahead it explodes and in current meta -every one has dash- it miss a lot, his passive is weak, but useful for last hitting champs and doing little harras against early weak champs like yasuo, his propably biggest advantage is pushing lanes from far away with his ult and destroying turrets, late game like 30 mins in, he can destroy turret with with autoattacks and satchel, and if he build lich he can destroy it even faster
I like Ziggs because of the same reason I love Sylas and Viego, BECAUSE of his wild cardness, each ability fits for a different situation, and I love it, it lets me play how I want instead of doing one thing over and over again, I can zone, I can peel, chase, etc, I so many different possibilities, just depends on how I use them
`main ziggs here..early part of game honestly i almost never loose lane,3 main problem for me early on are very good talon,zed or yasuo but even that i play safe..second thing ziggs can be extremely good pushing lane champ
He is my main and to me he is a blast to play, I love spam poke pressure. That being said I stopped playing normals or ranked some time ago because of toxic people, I just do aram and tft now.
I play zigs the same reason I play Sivir. The psychological warfare inflicted with each hit Q in the beginning of the game makes your laner do things they normally wouldn’t
Excellent review! As a Ziggs user I completely agree with you. Probably his biggest problem is his consistency with his skills and that they are easy to dodge. He is only there to destroy towers and do damage (if you land your skills). It would be nice if his E could stun or immobilize instead of slowing just like Caitlyn's mine, Jinx or slow on Q like you said would be great too. Nonetheless, he is the most enjoyable and funniest champ to play with.
Ziggs gets alot of cc (however it's all skillshots), blocks off entrances and exits, destroys towers easily, ults teamfights, and keeps the enemy from getting under your tower. However his downfall is that he is extremely squishy, can't 1v1 a full hp champion, and lacks mobility, which is a TERRIBLE combination. My suggestion for a ziggs rework is: Increase range of his W or E by 15% so he can use his crowd control easier Make his W launch champions 10% further. Make his ultimate land at LEAST 50% faster, even if it has to nerfed a bit. (Dmg, range or AOE nerf) add a 10% slow to his Q change his passive to 10% extra movement speed out of combat, and an extra 20% movement speed in combat for extra mobility. This would be perfect for ziggs, because even if they nerf some of the buffs I've listed later on, it still fits in much better in the current meta than ziggs current build.
While the artillery mage is a dying role-ziggs has a niche that allows him to be anti engage since his mines and satchel punish those who try to engage on him. He could also build zhonya's to mitigate even more burst. I don't think he has the best game plan, but he's not the worst imo
Ziggs Ult combos with his Satchel Charge and his Minefield. Use the former abillities to try and keep/jeet your enemies in the centre of your ult. Also his Minefield slow is also usefull for hitting his Satchelcharge and Bouncing Bomb since it has the bigges AOE and slows them. I think that if his Bouncing Bomb slowed Ziggs would become super oppresive since then it would combo into itself.
As a Ziggs main I disagree with the commentary about lack of synergy between his abilities. The mines slow enemies so you can land bouncing bomb easier. You can also Satchel Bomb the enemy into your mines. Also, every time you use an ability lowers the CD of his passive by 5s, and his passive is great for poking on laning phase as well as for taking plates. One horrible thing about Ziggs’ ult is that the edges deal about the same dmg as his Q, so unless you hit dead center, it can feel underwhelming. Thank you for the video! I love seeing Ziggs getting some attention
Lately I have started using Ziggs adc and I have stomped to almost all possible combos of the bot line, the pokeo it has is amazing, I start playing aggressive as soon as I have my W and I control them quickly so they lose a lot of experience, best adc for me, and I was main Jhin but with Ziggs I can defeat him and every adc and of course support is very important if my support is good I can stomp them faster and it's a sure win. So if you know how to use it and take advantage of all your skills he's as good champ as anyone in the meta.
I started playing ziggs on wild rift a few month ago and now i can't stop playing him on wild rift and on pc. He's feels so good to play because if you kill someone, you really feel like you outskilled them and just completely destroyed them. His entire kit is just throwing around some bombs at people. It's simple
ziggs is weak because he is no longer special and his niche is better performed by other champs just like u said (zerath, lux & vel). also his skill shots are honestly way harder than these other champs and thus he does less damage due to consistancy of abilities landing. His lane must must always be shoved for him to be 'safe' and exert the small if any pressure of his mid prio, which also at the end of the day is more reliant on your jungle to capitalise on anyway. he also just dies to fast and gets punished by anyone, every fight you think i can maybe with if i xyz but even then thats not counting the fact that other champs can shut u down way faster then u can even cast abilities half the time just like u said in the video his kit has no synergy apart from W into a E / bounce bomb prediction or kobe shot if youre felling like showing off. passive only good for towers. Ult is really bad without allied cc and has honestly less range then a swain W. S11 has made him stronger but has weakend his ability spam with the CDR changes to ability haste, most games i only reach 45 ability haste which is like 33% CDR and in s10 i was getting 45% every game and his spam was the reason why he became my main and why i had so much fun with him :( if i were to help improve his 'fun to play' aspects then i would make changes to his R and make that his broken ability with giving it true global range with 2 second cast / travel time flat on all lvls. if i were to do a full champ rework then i would make his passive every 90/70/60/50 seconds empower a basic ability. Every time ziggs casts an ability lower this timer by 3/4/5 seconds. this would breath tons of life into the champion with the empowered basic abilities being esscentaily weaker heimer R upgrades. these empowered abilities could be anything like giving sachel charge a stun effect, Q becoming a carpet bomb and rolls 2 bouncing bombs parralel to eachother with slightly longer range. E gains the bouncing ability / range of q.
S11 was a little bit better for ziggs imo because of everfrost. it gives him a stun qnd 600 mana, which makes landing skillshots/surviving a lot easier while still having a large mana pool. but like you said CDR has been heavily affected so after you get everfrost and rabadons, I'd personally go for cosmic drive. Cosmic and everfrost give health so even more survivability on ziggs this meta. You can get 18 ability haste at level 10 with sorcerer runes if ability haste is your main issue. I wouldn't use inspiration runes anymore on ziggs because cosmic insight no longer grants cdr on your skills. The domination tree is better for him now because ravenous hunter grants 11% omnivamp. This season if 1 hp on ziggs you can get some health back with omnivamp and stun the enemy chasing you. Not a bad trade. Of course exchanging ludens echo for everfrost losing a whopping extra 150-170 damage every 10 seconds. It would be cool if someone could make a video on ludens vs everfrost
I really wished the passive would empower his abilities in different ways, like more range, dmg or different effects, like more mines on the E. And the AA dmg passive could be in another ability passively so it doesnt change backwards
Been playing Ziggs since I started in 2012, and he is still my favorite. But in the current meta he has become almost impossible to play competitively exactly for the reasons you listed. It's really unfortunate, because playing a skillshot champion like Ziggs is really fun for me, and I love his personality. But ever since Yasuo, Riot has been adding more and more champions with dashes or other abilities that make it impossible to play closer than max-range Q. And when I do well against one of those characters, it's literally just me dancing out of range and it really doesn't look fun for the other player. His satchel is very satisfying to take towers with, but if W is your only means of escape, what's the point? I end up sacrificing myself for towers a lot, especially if my team doesn't play around me. Split push champions with escapes, like Olaf, Yorick, and Irelia do the same but much more effectively. Even Jinx's passive lets her escape once taking an objective. My only gripe about Ziggs's kit since day 1 has been... his W displaces champions in a way that makes them harder to land other skill shots. It just feels counter productive. I know this is also a skill-cap thing, but I remember when Taliyah came out and I literally thought oh... her Knock-up into a mine-field is the same as Ziggs, but hers is directional. Anyway, appreciate the vid. I'll still be playing that little laughing bastard until the day I die.
Been playing Wild Rift which gives him some purpose since there's not a million dash champions (yet) and he's the only artillery mage besides Lux. He's pretty fun on there as I remember but a lot of this video speaks true and it only makes me sad that he'll just be washed out over time in the mobile game as well.
I believe that Riot in order to make older champs that are not "JUMPY JIPPITY JUMPY JUMP" Shit... They need to create a new type of CC that silences/disables Only dash type abilities (no, not Root, but a Silence focused to Dashes...), with the exception of flash and ults. and give them to characters like Nasus, Ziggs and many others so they can "lock down" characters like Katarina, Yasuo, Yone, Samira.... And any other "JUMPY JIPPITY JUMPU JUMP" shit champ.
I disagree with some of the stuff, I used to be a ziggs main, I haven't played him with new items, but he did have an item spike of ludens and lich bane and is easily the strongest lane pusher in the game, especially because his passive is like a double proc of sheen after 2 abilites. The way how I used to play him was as if I was rift herald, not splitting alone but tagging along with the top lane or jungle in a side lane, if you get enough items in you can easily 3 shot towers, and that's not even at full build. Also I do think there are ability synergies, his E is very difficult to dodge and slows, which allows for an easier Q to land, similar to xerath shooting his w to land other abilities, and ziggs's W is a very good disengage especially if you can manage to use it to jump over a wall and knock your pursuer back, it is also a good chasing tool, being able to knock enemies towards you and your team or into a wall to make what works as a standard airborne. The main reason I think most people don't play him is because his Q is very difficult to land, especially since it can bounce over people and it explodes on contact with walls, and his ultimate being very slow. Also his cooldowns arent long, max Q with a bit of cooldown reduction has like a 2 second cooldown and it does very good damage, so whenever teams stalemate and dance around with little fighting, the poke is invaluable.
I vibe with this amd agree. I like playing safe in lane watching my mid laner roam and then go "Ooooh boy hehehehe you just left a ziggs in lane alone gooobyeeee towaaa" then waddling up to it and tearing the thing down. My proudest ziggs moment would have to be when i got bored of a game flashwd into the enmy base took their turrets without minions then ended the game beacuse they we're fighting for barron.
Isn't this unfair ability to be viable a fail at game design? This means that they don't know how to make them work or how the player should play them well and end up making them unfair...in a competitive game where fairness must be all of the above so everyone can win. I find untargettable mechanic to be one unfair, as of the player needs this to dodge one thing instead of, you know turn to the side or have careful.
Honestly as a Xerath main I just thought of him as a bad version of Xerath. Xerath's Q for eg has about the same range and does a lot more damage. The same goes for his W. Ziggs also lacks a stun and his ult is super easy to dodge. The only thing he is better at than Xerath is destroying towers and in Season 11 towers get one shotted faster than adcs so why would I ever play him?
The reason is simple, there is nothing more frustrating than seeing his Q boucing around an enemy and not exploding. Also, but that's new, Aurelion Sol now have the ultimate zigg want to have 😅
Ziggs is just fun, especially when youre playing against people who dont know the map exists, before you know if hes taken every tower in the game at 20 minutes
I disagree about the lack of ability connection, I personally use E to encourage enemies to walk away from that area, and use W to push them into it followed by a Q as the slow lines it up
I don't care about rotation of abilities or combos at all . If there was a champion that represented my mindset in the way they work or play it be this guy. I love a shear artillery powerhouse . No mobility no defense I just want all the shear chaotic outgoing power and variety can have . If and when I play this game I will in no doubt main this hero. And ill be all inning like a complete madman . He stands out to me like he is my destiny .
So Emerald Ziggs player. I love your content (all your Vars channels). Good quality stuff. However I strongly disagree with your assessment of Ziggs. He certainly fits into the poke mage category with lux xer vel hwei (kind of). Take xer ult vs ziggs, they are both good, just different applications, one is for finishing off a target or sniping someone in a 1v1, Ziggs ult is follow up on cc in a teamfight. Both are great at what they do. Ziggs has amazing poke and his mines are great for objective entrance control and his q is harder to dodge then xerath poke because he doesnt need to charge it. Ziggs getting to destroy towers is actually amazing for a poke mage because you can frustrate opponent to roam because your so defensive and then punish SUPER hard for plate gold. Last but not least unlike lux vel and xer, Ziggs has one MASSIVE benefit, satchel charge. He is the ONLY poke mage who can reliably escape an all in/ avoid one altogether by jumping a wall. Pair this with minefeild and he not only has a completely offensive (and destructive) kit, but he also manage to be much MUCH safer then a shitty w sheild (from lux) a small knock up (vel) or a super short ss stun from Xer. Compare just how much better a jump/hop/disruption cc ability satchel is paired with minefield compared to ANYTHING the other poke mages can do.
Personally I think the biggest problem with Ziggs as someone that plays him support instead of mid is the fact that his E is his main ability. Q you can just walk up to his model or the line of where he threw it and you dodge it completely because it bounces over peoples heads making this ability completely whack garbage. On the other hand. Ziggs E is DANGEROUS to be in, and around. The problem is this ability has WAY too high of a cooldown (16 all ranks) to be incredably useful. If they did a LITTLE "wierd" change. Of making it 8 seconds level 1 AND IT SCALES to 16 at max rank (Obviously CDR will counter this) I believe he would actually feel better completely as a champion. Even if he was only played support. At least he would be played at all no?
Very new to League, I picked Twisted Fate because I liked the design but I got annihilated by a Ziggs and decided to try him out. I was surprise when I heard you say that he's not that rewarding to play. I find him super fun, it's nice to constantly aim and know when to use your tools. I've been trying to expand my pool of champions but everything else feels so clunky and awkward. Idk, never been a fights games fan so I'm not used to combos and things, I don't find that fun. I just wasted a lot of blue stuff on Kalista because she also seemed like fun, but just saw your video on her. Oh, well, we'll see. If anybody has any recomendation for a bit more "meta" champion please share. I enjoy Camille, but I'm not exactly crazy about playing a technograndma.
I know what you mean! His passive and disjointed kit can be very vexing despite him being a fun poke pick. Easiest way to solve it is to kill both birds with one stone! New passive; Shell Shock: Instead of empowering his AA on a cool-down (25, 20, 15, 10 based on ult level) it instead empowers and augments his next basic ability cast. Also it has a passive that causes his empowered ability's to apply a stack of shell Shock to them that slows them by 30% decreasing over 2 sec. If Ziggs hits them with another seperate ability within that 2 seconds they become Shell Shocked (stunned) and take 10% more dmg from both the dmg proc and all other sources for 2 sec. Q Augment: his next Q cast has a 20% width size increase and slight dmg boost, as well as causeing the bomb to deal splash dmg on every bounce with a slightly larger one at the end. (kind of how Hiemer empowered E works but not as big and no stun) W Augment: Increased dmg and turret execute and double distance on launch. Takes 1 full second to arm so it can't be used instantly. E Augment: One free cast that puts it on a 2 sec cool-down. This should give him some room for better skill expression while also giving his abilities more synergy and even a way for him to set up his own Ult play.
So I think his main problems are his passive and ult. I feel like his split pushing should be just cranked up to max so I'd say: New passive: Ziggs abilities deal 5-30% of their damage to structures as well on a 60 second CD Ziggs Ult will (like Fizz's Ult) grow larger the further it is thrown so you use it more from afar. Maybe give his E 2 charges or something like that to zone and it's probably good.
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Ziggs main here
Everytime I land my kobe shots the enemy ff 🤣
Arguably the funniest thing about Ziggs is when he bombs himself with his ult to take the assassin/diver down with him xD
@@VarsVerum oh those are the best, even better when you got 69 hp left XD
@@VarsVerum oh and one idea for ziggs that I forgot, riot needs to make it where his nuke actually acts like a nuke giving radiation poisoning to the enemy as well a bit of a movement boost too would be nice. And a damm Omega Squad Skin.
@@Cecilia-ky3uw no, he means droppings ult onself before dying from being dove
@@VarsVerum Gotta love those trades
ok so... gonna need you to stop going through all my picks and making 'why no one plays' vids on them
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LMFAO
right! i purposefully pick up the champs i dont see played that often.
@@samlee6240 hey! Me too. My team usually thinks I'm trolling but its legit an OCD thing for me. I cant play champs with over 3% playrate.
@@kevindon2133 lol I thought I was the only dude like this. The game is a way more fun with that mindset
Ziggs main here.
- First of all i love that all of his abilities are skillshots, it's more interesting than targeted abilities.
- I also hate playing combo champs. It feels a little constraining being more or less forced to use a specific combo.
- Him being a poke champion makes him more forgiving of mistakes. If you fuck up a combo, that's it. If i fuck up a Q it's no big deal.
- He has a pretty ok and especially safe waveclear with his Q.
- He's a turret destroyer. It's so much fun quickly taking down a tower when the enemy mid laner makes the mistake to leave lane. Also very helpful in endgame pushing.
- He's a yordle.
Doesnt matter, ziggs still objectively suck.
Combo champs are what idiots assume to be the pinnacle of skill lmfao
@@jmoa5758 no one said otherwise lol
I like Ziggs he can pinned down enemies from a far without getting harm
isn't it frustrating missing skill shots, then some assassin shits on you?
I think the coolest thing about ziggs is when someone thinks they can jump on you and you mash all your buttons on top of yourself and they get one shot while thinking they were going to one shot you
I live for those moments
Allahu akbar
Thats the "bread and butter" for ziggs
i guess...but tbh there's a ton of mages that can do the same or better, snydra, veigar, annie, viktor, zyra etc. Veigar in particular epitomises the 1 shot, with enough stacks, even 1 ability can pretty much 1 shot a squishy, let alone 3. Snydra also is a god of the 1 shot, with her ulti and a few balls up, you can delete people from their existence in miliseconds, while also consistently knocking the assassin back and stunning them, so even if you're a bit weak, there's still a good chance of escape. I really like his q, but his poke feels so inconsistent compared with xerath/velkoz, and his w and e are long cds and kinda underwhelming. Assassins or dashes in general are of course a nightmare, and the fact his passive is based around tower destroying is just weird. He's pretty easy to gank, so pushing up to get tower plating is often a free kill if the enemy jungler is watching.
@@mari_zz not like ziggs though
nowadays playing any champion that would rather be far away from the enemy than close up just feels like more trouble than it's worth because every modern champion and their dog has 47 milloin gap closers in their kit not to mention the new items only made things worse)
True, that's kind of why Zoe somewhat fell off. She's still good, but at the same time it's hard playing her nowadays, especially with teammates that doesn't seem to understand how to play around her and she is super squishy.
true, but some-one like xerath is still pretty powerful, he can bully almost anyone out of lane with very consistent poke and then use his ulti to, "gank," other lanes. He's pretty much the more consistent poke version of ziggs, who also has a better ulti. All ziggs has in return is the extra tower damage, which is really risky to go for as an artillery mage, given how easy it is to gank them.
@@timeless1882 Zoe more fell off because of the nerfs, she herself is a very modern champion, and there were still a billion champions with dashes at the time she was released, but the insane speed she can get from her w really helps. But since the nerfs to her damage, and given her difficulty lvl, most people don't bother since there are easier champs with more consistent damage (see xerath)
giving people the ability to buy hard CC was the single worst decision riot has ever made, shortly followed by giving people the ability to buy a dash with CC and that followed by a dash with bonus damage.
Who in their right mind thought that letting people buy dashes or hard CC was a good call? "oh its darius, hes a bruiser you can kite him" well no now that he can just buy a dash. God i hate some of the new items, the fucking Everfrost is the worst offender. "here, have hard CC and damage on a ridiciously low cooldown, i know some people use summoner spells for that but lmao who needs those?"
@@tatzecom True. Riot needs to remember how the original design of their game works. There's a reason darius and garen werent given a dash...
As a former Ziggs one trick I can confirm he is perfectly fine. A balanced, fair champ with a specific and satisfying gameplay and niche. The problem is the whole game around him does not seem to follow the same principles and Riot has made it clear that they do not care about fairness or diversity of gameplay when laser-focusing on fast gameplay, flashy mechanics and accesible outplay potential has proved to be far more monetarily rewarding.
Could not agree more. Ziggs is a fair champion in a game full of other unfair ones. If your are good with him you can be strong and if you mess up well, it's fair you don't be strong.
It is so good to play well with him because you know it is because you did really well ")
@@LuanaSouza-fw1iz I'd say maybe a third of the roster is stuck in this "Fair" champ. The older champs when the game was slower and more team focused back when the meta wasn't completely in stone. Hell, when Ziggs was put in, you could still make a choice to do doubles top. Now though? He and others have mechanically shunted out.
The fact that no one is scared of me as Ziggs makes me happy. When they underestimate you, that's the sweet moment when you prove them wrong and punish everything. I love this kind of champs that seem so ...mehhh. The surprise factor is the treat for their mains.
Never underestimate Ziggs burst potential. He can kill squishies with only 2 Q and a E.
I'm scared of every league player because they know what they are doing.
@@Kilesfactor don't be🤣 we all learn, we all do mistakes and hopefully we all improve. Soon you will be one of those who know what they are doing, just do your best and mute all☺️
@@GoldenBerry33 still won’t help the fact that I’m getting bodied but thanks.
@@Kilesfactor there are items that you can use against tanks and try to play safe. Maybe play with a premade to make sure you both will have each other's back. You will improve, don't worry 😉☺️
What I want is for his abilities to land faster. That's it. It honestly its all he need.
Or Removed from the game...
Then decrease the range since the abilities would be too op
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Yeah, he needs a projectile speed buff
As a Ziggs main, I really wish more people would pick him up. It might be hard to hit his skillshots, but he's fun once you get used to him :)
I just started the game and I got my ads handed to me by him so I saved up for him and I have him lvl 3 rn. I really like him XD and I personally don’t mind staying back and dealing slow damage
I tried playing him today. He is hella fun. Its kinda hard to hit his q but get used to it and its amazing
Maining him on Wild Rift now
I like him in wr
I like him in wr
"Too fair" is actually why I main him as it alleviates conflict from teammates and sometimes enemies.
An example is after a failed teamfight, so long as I did what I could, I rarely get blamed for anything. My team can't overestimate me as Ziggs, but they can't underestimate me as well. I get to be as reliable as I can be, and no one is ever against it.
The same can be said for the enemy. Sort of. Ziggs does more often gets underestimated and rightly so apparently, but that also can be a good thing. More often than not, enemies actually tend to forget he is around whenever in a teamfight, letting him do his thing staying safe in the background.
I agree with the passive, that thing is really conflicting. All of Ziggs' abilities far outranges his auto attack range, so it barely ever gets used besides turrets and minions.
Kinda same here, except I also feel kinda bad whenever I play facerolling noobchamps. I remember once feeling almost physically sick after trying out Sett and getting a penta on my first game. So many champs out there that just feel so much like outright cheating I'd rather play my old skillshot champs and let there be absolutely no doubt that all my wins are only a result of my own skill in a fair competition and not being blatantly favoured by the developer's arbitrary design philosophy.
best thing about fair champs is that if you were better than your opponents your enemy know you are better than them, this will make things more interesting
I love his passive I remember one time I deleted full hp nexus in 3~ish seconds
@@deadrixhanon1776 playing ziggs into yone, not fair fight to him in any means being its yone, the one of the longest range engage champion, but he was so afraid of me that he rather ulti full hp whoever than me, also sylas, got destroyed so hard that only thing he did to me, was stealing my ultimate
His passive is more of a concession than a perk.
It still benefits him, but like all artillery mages(Lux, Xerath, Zoe, and velkoz, but also Ezreal, Kogmaw, Varus if you strech the definition)it exists to give them a reason to get into interaction range instead of just poking from far away.
I think what makes Ziggs special is the fact that nobody expects nothing from you, neither your team or the enemy, wich makes things waaaay easier when you one-shot the enemy AD Carry with a Q, or when you stole a Dragon from the Jungler who had no idea you were even there in first place
I think is the simplicity and balance what makes Ziggs something of a "Jack of all trades" for every situation you have.
But hey, that's just my opinion though.
100 tru
I always get flamed for picking ziggs no matter the position
bro idk how you only have 23k subs. your channel really feels like a 200k-500k sub channel.
I really appreciate that man :) I put a lot of work in to each video so it makes me really happy to see comments like these.
@@VarsVerum keep up the work man. the algorithm is bound to pick up your videos one day. i found your channel from the why no one plays kayle video and subbed right after. i just got into genshin like 2 weeks ago and wouldnt you know it i check your channel and you make genshin videos!
@@bleggman77 Yeahh Genshin was sort of a wash for me. It's a fun game and I still play it, but I don't think it's a RUclips friendly game, there's not much to make content on and a lot of big names sort of ruined the rep for all of us with hyper clickbaity videos. I'm just in a bit of a slump where I don't know what videos to make that both get good traction and make me happy to make. League has the happy part, but 10+ hours per WNP video for only a thousand views is def not something I can do for the rest of my life.
@@VarsVerum yeah there isnt much content you can feasibly make on genshin. WNP is definitely content there is an audience for. just gotta fight the algorithm i guess. perhaps people just arent as interested in league videos anymore? i know exil and gbay99 are both having issues getting views on their recent videos so who knows.
@@VarsVerum maybe do a why no one watches league videos ? I'm just saying, it might give the good ol' rnjesus a good tug, and they might put you in the algorithm, I don't know man, no one seems to play league anymore, probs cuz it's so fucking toxic, but yea man, best of luck
the thing that makes ziggs so unpopular is the same thing that makes him so powerful. everything he does seems so underwelming at first, but when you master him you see that he actually has a LOOOT of hidden tricks you can use. for example:
- his q has one of the biggest ranges on a basic ability in the entire game. even if your against an opponent that can gap close from an entire screen away (wich is all the time) your range is so immense that you can still easily CS and even push the lane while spamming Q
- his W is maybe the best ability in his kit because of the versatility, when used correctly your basically ungankable by immediately throwing yourself under tower. it can create gaps, it can knock fleeing enemies back it can interrupt enemies (especially fun against an enemy nunu) and ofc it executes towers.
- the minefield again seems underwhelming but because its damge is split between each mine, people ALWAYS understimate its damage ánd they get slowed wich means your Q will hit them way more. it can completely lock down escapes or engages in chokepoint or forces them to go in with at least 30% less health
- his passive is insane late game. ziggs can push towers faster than his entire team, on his own. if any turret is left alone, regardless wether its full health or not, you just hit a passive, throw Q and E for the oncoming wave, hit another passive and the W, you can take a full health turret in less than 5 seconds.
- his ult is ofc very nice for burst and executing enemies, but is also nice for pushing. oh youve slow pushed 2,5 waves worth of minion, well thank you for the free gold :)
if you take TP instead of ignite, focus on playing safe early game, tunnel vision every weak turret there is regardless of possible danger you can take a champ that is very undertuned for todays standards and absolutely demolish objectives. you could lose a lane against an akali one-trick, being 1/5/0 and STILL win lane because of his insane waveclear and frankly top tier turret destruction
and all of this is hidden cuz you would only notice these things if you decide to play a champ whose ability description only says 'he do damage, but from far away :O'.
Artillery mages are my fav kind of champ tbh, its so fun one shotting people from far away.
And Velkoz too. Yea, we may suck at close range. A shame you won't live long enough to reach us.
@@minhducnguyen674 until they stack magic resist and rush u with stride breaker.. xerath main here :v
@@hamzasami8362 strikebreaker’s dash is gone :D
@@claraclenky9843 yep thank god
1 important macanic: you can shove enemy’s into your e with w
What is e anf what is w
@@gowther10commandments33 i believe he throws a cluster of bombs in an area which slow enemies when they walk through it so 4:32 shows the details and the other is satchel charge which knocks back you/opponents if near it when it explodes (4:23)
@@anantakabir8390 it also stuns opponents if you knock them to a wall
I think with these new patches make his ability do triple damage to jungle camps and he would be an awsome jungler with the ways he could come from with w
I would make his passive increased his empowered auto range by 50-150(scale with level) and when hit enemy will slow them by 25% for 0.5s. he can be officially meta apc and can be played in mid. His base auto range will be the same but his passive empowered auto will alow him to match with other adcs in meta like caitlyn ....etc.
Also make his q have slow will be cancer.
@@Cecilia-ky3uw why land his skills when you can land Xerath's skills? Hard cc, much longer poke, ult with a duration and damage spread for executions at the right time.
A nice buff would be that if the enemy gets hit by your e the que area would be higher like when it lands minions. That shold make feel his e more scary.
I love ziggs! He's the most fun champion imo! He does enough damage, has a fun mechanic that lets you throw bombs easily, and he has major cc! He controls the battlefield until someone steps near him which is why he is a great team fighter rather than a great dueler. I think his abilities do go with each other since his e can slow down targets and make it easier to hit them with a q or a w but you can also throw your w first then e and bombard them with q. He's the best glass canon a player could ask for!!
(P.S. the ultimate steals feel so good when you land them)
As a Ziggs player, I find a few good things about his kit and gameplay:
1. He scales incredibly well, even if he isn’t crazy fed. If someone can play him well enough to stay safe, he is a great team fighter.
2. His cool downs are incredibly low from mid to late game, especially his Q. He can constantly harass enemies as games progress.
3. His W is such a good disruption for many enemies. He can roam and help in jungle fights, and he can peel for teammates rather well.
Note: these are all what I like about him as a main. Great video btw :)
I love ziggs, he’s the only one I play and I wouldn’t change a thing. I love the low play and ban rate, how minions can’t block any ability. I play him not with my brother on Alistair. Good video.
The second skin that I got was odyssey ziggs
And so I started playing him
And I fell in love with his play style
He can dominate the mid
same but it was my first skin ever
My first free skin I got was sugar rush ziggs and I fell in love instantly!
i am support main and got autofilled mid, picked ziggs as a joke pick and it worked amazing against yone, then in another game I was playing against sylas and he got gapped aswell
Ziggs is one of my main and i just love all those skill shots i mean the gratification you get when your bouncing bomb hits your target on the 3rd bounce makes you laugh like him haha
the secret to him in a bad matchup is vision, ward, map control, split pushing and a lot of skill shot practice. His passive is not so useful on champs but on towers it just destroys. Leaving a ziggs pushing top lane while doing dragon is a bad idea :)
Basically ziggs is like the "good guys" who don't really shine that much, but he's just... there.... and not making any impression.
Maybe they plan to rework it?
I WISH
He needs a mini-rework like Wukong.
what if hitting satchel charge with your q caused it to explode bigger and deal bonus damage? cool thematically while adding synergy and combos to his kit.
I think making his passive increase his attack range for that attack would make more sense for being an artillery mage
make hes passive do bonus damage from further away, he is hexxplosive expert after all, makes sense that he can attack from afar and is "hexplosive" with attacks, just add some range to it like caitlyn headshot or something, he already has bonus damage but it would feel amazing, instead of buffing the damage just buff the aa range
No no no, his passive is amazing. Mixed with Lich bane i can 2 shot towers after 25 minutes. Plus it gives him more micro ability in sustained fights
The best thing about playing Ziggs is almost no one respects his ability to take a tower and push faster than any champion in the game. I'll walk into a lane with a half health tower and take it and they don't even notice till it's too late and I'm on the next tower.
and then camille ganks you from 8 screens away, stuns you, ults you, cya mate
@@Trigathus playing ziggs as last pick is amazing when you see they have no 9 screen away gankers
I just started playing a few weeks ago and Ziggs was the second champion I unlocked with essence points. He's great and I enjoy playing him a lot. He's definitely my favorite to play and the fact that others don't play him much is all the better for me. I like him better than all the others I've tried so far, only one other even being reasonably close so far. Landing shots can be pretty satisfying too.
Man I picked up Ziggs for the tower execute, and I definitely feel the whole “meh” factor he’s got. I play lots of Xerath and he’s got combos, better range, and more satisfying abilities and Xerath isn’t even popular.
Xerath is basically a better Ziggs, especially in the mana department
@@warwickeng5491 Yeah I love that I never go oom, also Xerath’s primary abilities don’t use projectiles so they reach distant targets quicker, I can hit Xerath q way easier than Ziggs q.
I guess to make him a bit more viable is to add another component in his passive where if the enemy champions got hit by his bombs 2 or 3 or even more times, they will get stunned.
My basis for that is in real life, the consecutive explosion sound from the bombs will make someone disoriented or knocked out or lose consciousness. I dunno. But he really needs a hard CC to run away from his pursuers. 😅
I mean he has a Jump that also makes enemy champs "Stuned" for half a second....
But yes he needs either More damage or More CC.
LOL You want to give a champ that does 4000 damage at full build, a stun so he can land his entire combo? Ziggs would literally oneshot people from range
@The_damag3 & The spy brand has third of the range that ziggs has, plus ziggs can outsmite at lvl 9 xd
I mean lets be honest you cant do shit to ashe when they decide to auto ziggs, you just cant escape
Old video but I've been playing ziggs in the 12.11 patch and he is amazing. The fact that he doesn't how specific combos you need to hit but rather relies on skill shots and reading the enemy makes him perfect for my play style.
It'd be cool if Ziggs's passive let him destroy wards and such in 1-2 basic attacks.
I've been a ziggs fan since he was first introduced. It's a love/hate playstyle but I personally love it. Super fun champ.
Ziggs main here, i really find it satisfying to land his Q and Ult
as a ziggs main, he actually used to be a pretty good champ last season. these new items have really thrown a wrench in stuff and he is not nearly as good now. with all the crazy healing going on it makes his poke pretty much worthless. definitely needs alot more balancing. no love for mages these days.
I love ziggs. I get more hate from the enemy team as him than Teemo. He is annoying to play against and I love it. People worried about gap-closing divers; use that explosive charge to re-open the gap. Ziggs is fun as hell to play as. I know there are stronger choices but he is FUN to play. Especially on ARURF
I’ve mained Ziggs on and off for almost a decade now and I still get shocked to this day at how small his bouncing bomb hitbox is. Riot nerfed it to the ground once and has never looked back for some reason.
Yes they need to revert the need they did back at patch 4.11 to his q's hitbox since there is so much mobility in the game.
@@pantelistzecheridis2286 hes q hitbox is smaller than q itself lmao
When I played League daily, Ziggs was in the top 3 that I played (the others were Xerath and Brand). I played them because their kits weren't a straight combo kit. I would use my abilities in different orders based on the situation. The champion I chose wasn't what won the encounter, it was how I played. I think Ziggs is an incredible design for a champion, the problem has become that his kit no longer fits into what LoL has become. The game is about quick bursts of action that are over quickly, item builds aren't varied (they never were but that's just what the game has always been).
Yeah, he has his weaknesses, but champions should have weaknesses, its about how you play despite those shortcomings. You can either build to make his strengths stronger, or to buff up his weak spots.
Oh boy. Can wait for him to do my Xerath since he is a lower-picked artillery mage.
I love playing as Ziggs because I love being unpredictable. You never know which skillshot I will land on you first.
Over 1.3kkk mastery points with him, and I wouldn't change anything, damage is just insane!
as a ziggs main, here's my two cents:
- personally, i prefer champions who have separate moves, and no fixed combos, coz then you're free to use your moves as necessary; more fluid. i'm happy to just wail on them with Qs and only W or E when needed. lord knows ziggs Q does enough damage on its own
- i'm also glad that he's NOT locked behind power spikes. with other champions, it feels terrible when "the game is lost" before you even hit one core item. but ziggs feels fun at every stage of the game
- also, he is useful at ALL stages of the game. when ahead, he can siege and damage champions without even being in tower range, and from behind, i would argue he has superior/mana efficient waveclear against his other artillery counterparts. there have been games, where with my ult and teleport, i've held all 3 lanes by myself, 1v5, when being pushed in by enemy team
appreciate the content though bro, it's great hearing perspectives of mains from players who don't use them :o
Ziggs main.
- I love the character and his gameplay style even though he can be wrecked fairly easily even when really far ahead which i find to be his biggest issue.
- if i could change something, it would be his passive, which is handy for hitting towers and early game farming but that's about it.
- If his passive rewarded him in some way for hitting skill shots that would be amazing, E.G. stack ability haste, or movement speed.
- or possibly his minefield could slow more would be a big help, plus it would then be easier to hit his other abilities.
I feel like reworking his passive would be enough to make him way more relevant, something like "periodically his next basic ability will deal extra damage" or similar wich is a passive some champs have, for the rest his kit is perfect as it is, because it makes him very unique.
So one thing that people overlook about Ziggs that I think is kinda big is just how amazing of a tool his ultimate is for controlling the map and being a band-aid for people's mistakes. You might actually bring more value for your team using it to clear waves than you do using it for kills: If your top lane or bot lane dies and you're mid with ziggs, you can delete all the enemy minions on that lane... Delete a stacked minion wave with it and you can net yourself 260 gold and a ton of EXP, if one of those waves is a cannon wave that's up to 330 gold, more than a kill and all it costs you is a ~2 minute cooldown ultimate. You can leave your own lane to go roam and just ult the wave from across the map to buy yourself more on the map without missing a single CS.
Aaaand since there aren't any minions left in the lane anymore, the enemy can't capitalize on the kill to push the tower, get a recall or roam. Every two minutes (not accounting for ability haste) you essentially erase every advantage an enemy gets for a kill but the gold while also gaining almost a kill's worth of gold and EXP for yourself that your opponent in the lane can't match.
I know it makes him a little more unpopular with the "combo crowd" but I LOVE Zigg's kit of similarly themed but mechanically distinct abilities, first off it keeps his identity more clean cut and identifiable, Ziggs is the one guy who does what he does. Plus having an "Arsenal" of like-minded abilities to suit many functions makes way more sense for a demolitionist's kit.
I will say though, if I could change something, his minefield should stop dashes that go into it, not just slow the opponent, it would go a looong way to dealing with assassins instantly popping him like a fuzzy balloon.
I love Ziggs because he has a big personality and because whenever you aim his Bouncing Bomb or Ultimate it's like I'm playing the old crane game at the arcade. It feels fantastic to land these abilities. I think that Satchel Charge is probably the hardest ability to use though. You have to use it right with positioning and timing plus it doesn't always go the way you want it to. Satchel + Minefield combos have to be quick.
Rune choice is important on Ziggs too, I think too many people get tunneled on Arcane Comet. There are other playstyles that fit Ziggs. I think Domination and Inspiration are both underrated. I don't see anyone talking about Glacial Augment Ziggs but it puts a slow on his Satchel that makes it like a second Minefield.
Hello, i'm was a main ziggs for a while, and somethings you say is ritgh.
Fist, Ziggs passive is very, "Why i have this?", the damage is okay in the early game but, after that, you just wanted something more, you know. If a Rework Happen, i eanted this passive become something like this " Every 15 seconds he would get a 'super attack', what this would do? He would make the next attack that hit someone ( Champion or Minion ) would do more damage, i belive this would be much better to him, as a poke mage.
His Q, on my opinion, is very strong, i just wanted they add something like the nidalee spear, the more the bomb travel on the direction you launch in, the more damage he would do. ( Imagine this new Q and his passive toghether, would be a lot of damge, don't you think? )
His W is meh, i would do this, the more you are in the corner of his W, more away he would go, ( i know he already do something like this, but it would be buffed.).
His E his okay, maybe more smaller bombs, to the enemy don't see them.
And his R would be more fast to go to the enemy and his range wold be higher.
Ziggs main here, you absolutely CAN combo with him but it’s not as obvious as other champions. You can use satchel to push enemies into your e, ult and q. Being able to do this though is pretty tricky in an actual game though, good luck landing that on a kata/akali
Ziggs q needs an ability like TF’s pick a card where he can have different kind of bombs at his disposal. For example noxious bomb that works similar to twitch poison or a smoke bomb that works like graves grenade. Or a passive ability that if you cast your minefield directly on a champ it works like rengar’s net and can root enemies for a few seconds. Or give his satchel charge a toggleable ability to either sit and detonate turrets or travel and target enemies like maokai’s saplings. Maybe make it so his ultimate makes a crater like how J4’s ultimate changes the terrain after landing.
Ziggs is sort of my biggest pocket pick but I love him so much. I honestly really started enjoying him more after learning Taliyah. Using Ziggs W similarly to Taliyahs kit for displacement makes him so strong in early game. W Bounce then into bad positions or even or mine field, super good to learn how and when to do this if you want to learn this awesome champ!
i like ziggs, he is sorta weak, but his Q spam is nice way to zone control, his satchel is quite good escape tool and his mines are really strong as if you dash through them, they deal a lot of dmg, his ult is sorta lackluster, giving are where it explode way ahead it explodes and in current meta -every one has dash- it miss a lot, his passive is weak, but useful for last hitting champs and doing little harras against early weak champs like yasuo, his propably biggest advantage is pushing lanes from far away with his ult and destroying turrets, late game like 30 mins in, he can destroy turret with with autoattacks and satchel, and if he build lich he can destroy it even faster
I like Ziggs because of the same reason I love Sylas and Viego, BECAUSE of his wild cardness, each ability fits for a different situation, and I love it, it lets me play how I want instead of doing one thing over and over again, I can zone, I can peel, chase, etc, I so many different possibilities, just depends on how I use them
And now Ziggs has become terrifyingly good. Ere we go.
`main ziggs here..early part of game honestly i almost never loose lane,3 main problem for me early on are very good talon,zed or yasuo but even that i play safe..second thing ziggs can be extremely good pushing lane champ
ziggs has a powerspike is called liandrys anguish
He is my main and to me he is a blast to play, I love spam poke pressure. That being said I stopped playing normals or ranked some time ago because of toxic people, I just do aram and tft now.
I play zigs the same reason I play Sivir. The psychological warfare inflicted with each hit Q in the beginning of the game makes your laner do things they normally wouldn’t
Excellent review! As a Ziggs user I completely agree with you. Probably his biggest problem is his consistency with his skills and that they are easy to dodge. He is only there to destroy towers and do damage (if you land your skills). It would be nice if his E could stun or immobilize instead of slowing just like Caitlyn's mine, Jinx or slow on Q like you said would be great too. Nonetheless, he is the most enjoyable and funniest champ to play with.
Ziggs gets alot of cc (however it's all skillshots), blocks off entrances and exits, destroys towers easily, ults teamfights, and keeps the enemy from getting under your tower. However his downfall is that he is extremely squishy, can't 1v1 a full hp champion, and lacks mobility, which is a TERRIBLE combination.
My suggestion for a ziggs rework is:
Increase range of his W or E by 15% so he can use his crowd control easier
Make his W launch champions 10% further.
Make his ultimate land at LEAST 50% faster, even if it has to nerfed a bit.
(Dmg, range or AOE nerf)
add a 10% slow to his Q
change his passive to 10% extra movement speed out of combat, and an extra 20% movement speed in combat for extra mobility.
This would be perfect for ziggs, because even if they nerf some of the buffs I've listed later on, it still fits in much better in the current meta than ziggs current build.
While the artillery mage is a dying role-ziggs has a niche that allows him to be anti engage since his mines and satchel punish those who try to engage on him. He could also build zhonya's to mitigate even more burst. I don't think he has the best game plan, but he's not the worst imo
Ziggs is a non toxic champ, put 2 yasuos in a lobby and u know what happens, do that with zigs and were just gonna chill a poke a bit😂
Ziggs Ult combos with his Satchel Charge and his Minefield. Use the former abillities to try and keep/jeet your enemies in the centre of your ult. Also his Minefield slow is also usefull for hitting his Satchelcharge and Bouncing Bomb since it has the bigges AOE and slows them. I think that if his Bouncing Bomb slowed Ziggs would become super oppresive since then it would combo into itself.
As a Ziggs main I disagree with the commentary about lack of synergy between his abilities.
The mines slow enemies so you can land bouncing bomb easier. You can also Satchel Bomb the enemy into your mines.
Also, every time you use an ability lowers the CD of his passive by 5s, and his passive is great for poking on laning phase as well as for taking plates.
One horrible thing about Ziggs’ ult is that the edges deal about the same dmg as his Q, so unless you hit dead center, it can feel underwhelming.
Thank you for the video! I love seeing Ziggs getting some attention
Also, his mad scientist skin’s mines are green and hard to see on summoner’s rift vegetation :)
Wow really no one plays Ziggs online i next to never encounter a Ziggs other then myself, its even my favorite champion
I chose Ziggs because he's the main character of an upcoming videogame, Hextech Mayhem.
we need a slightly different title for a certain champion...
"why would anyone play heimerdinger"
This is ziggs o-o
What I do love about Ziggs is the fact that you can shoot your ulti from the mid lane all the way to the dragon area
Mages usually take tower quick? I don't think I agree 4:05
Lately I have started using Ziggs adc and I have stomped to almost all possible combos of the bot line, the pokeo it has is amazing, I start playing aggressive as soon as I have my W and I control them quickly so they lose a lot of experience, best adc for me, and I was main Jhin but with Ziggs I can defeat him and every adc and of course support is very important if my support is good I can stomp them faster and it's a sure win. So if you know how to use it and take advantage of all your skills he's as good champ as anyone in the meta.
I started playing ziggs on wild rift a few month ago and now i can't stop playing him on wild rift and on pc. He's feels so good to play because if you kill someone, you really feel like you outskilled them and just completely destroyed them. His entire kit is just throwing around some bombs at people. It's simple
ziggs is weak because he is no longer special and his niche is better performed by other champs just like u said (zerath, lux & vel). also his skill shots are honestly way harder than these other champs and thus he does less damage due to consistancy of abilities landing. His lane must must always be shoved for him to be 'safe' and exert the small if any pressure of his mid prio, which also at the end of the day is more reliant on your jungle to capitalise on anyway. he also just dies to fast and gets punished by anyone, every fight you think i can maybe with if i xyz but even then thats not counting the fact that other champs can shut u down way faster then u can even cast abilities half the time
just like u said in the video his kit has no synergy apart from W into a E / bounce bomb prediction or kobe shot if youre felling like showing off.
passive only good for towers. Ult is really bad without allied cc and has honestly less range then a swain W.
S11 has made him stronger but has weakend his ability spam with the CDR changes to ability haste, most games i only reach 45 ability haste which is like 33% CDR and in s10 i was getting 45% every game and his spam was the reason why he became my main and why i had so much fun with him :(
if i were to help improve his 'fun to play' aspects then i would make changes to his R and make that his broken ability with giving it true global range with 2 second cast / travel time flat on all lvls.
if i were to do a full champ rework then i would make his passive every 90/70/60/50 seconds empower a basic ability. Every time ziggs casts an ability lower this timer by 3/4/5 seconds. this would breath tons of life into the champion with the empowered basic abilities being esscentaily weaker heimer R upgrades. these empowered abilities could be anything like giving sachel charge a stun effect, Q becoming a carpet bomb and rolls 2 bouncing bombs parralel to eachother with slightly longer range. E gains the bouncing ability / range of q.
Ohh so like Karma's Mantra :o
S11 was a little bit better for ziggs imo because of everfrost. it gives him a stun qnd 600 mana, which makes landing skillshots/surviving a lot easier while still having a large mana pool. but like you said CDR has been heavily affected so after you get everfrost and rabadons, I'd personally go for cosmic drive. Cosmic and everfrost give health so even more survivability on ziggs this meta. You can get 18 ability haste at level 10 with sorcerer runes if ability haste is your main issue. I wouldn't use inspiration runes anymore on ziggs because cosmic insight no longer grants cdr on your skills. The domination tree is better for him now because ravenous hunter grants 11% omnivamp. This season if 1 hp on ziggs you can get some health back with omnivamp and stun the enemy chasing you. Not a bad trade. Of course exchanging ludens echo for everfrost losing a whopping extra 150-170 damage every 10 seconds. It would be cool if someone could make a video on ludens vs everfrost
I only mained Ziggs because the first skin I got in the game was for him. But I really like playing him.
I really wished the passive would empower his abilities in different ways, like more range, dmg or different effects, like more mines on the E. And the AA dmg passive could be in another ability passively so it doesnt change backwards
Been playing Ziggs since I started in 2012, and he is still my favorite. But in the current meta he has become almost impossible to play competitively exactly for the reasons you listed. It's really unfortunate, because playing a skillshot champion like Ziggs is really fun for me, and I love his personality. But ever since Yasuo, Riot has been adding more and more champions with dashes or other abilities that make it impossible to play closer than max-range Q. And when I do well against one of those characters, it's literally just me dancing out of range and it really doesn't look fun for the other player. His satchel is very satisfying to take towers with, but if W is your only means of escape, what's the point? I end up sacrificing myself for towers a lot, especially if my team doesn't play around me. Split push champions with escapes, like Olaf, Yorick, and Irelia do the same but much more effectively. Even Jinx's passive lets her escape once taking an objective.
My only gripe about Ziggs's kit since day 1 has been... his W displaces champions in a way that makes them harder to land other skill shots. It just feels counter productive. I know this is also a skill-cap thing, but I remember when Taliyah came out and I literally thought oh... her Knock-up into a mine-field is the same as Ziggs, but hers is directional.
Anyway, appreciate the vid. I'll still be playing that little laughing bastard until the day I die.
He may not be popular but TSAR BOMBA!
Been playing Wild Rift which gives him some purpose since there's not a million dash champions (yet) and he's the only artillery mage besides Lux. He's pretty fun on there as I remember but a lot of this video speaks true and it only makes me sad that he'll just be washed out over time in the mobile game as well.
They need to make his E more of an anti mobility tool
I believe that Riot in order to make older champs that are not "JUMPY JIPPITY JUMPY JUMP" Shit...
They need to create a new type of CC that silences/disables Only dash type abilities (no, not Root, but a Silence focused to Dashes...), with the exception of flash and ults.
and give them to characters like Nasus, Ziggs and many others so they can "lock down" characters like Katarina, Yasuo, Yone, Samira.... And any other "JUMPY JIPPITY JUMPU JUMP" shit champ.
It exist. The cc of singed disable the champs to use a movility ability or flash
I disagree with some of the stuff, I used to be a ziggs main, I haven't played him with new items, but he did have an item spike of ludens and lich bane and is easily the strongest lane pusher in the game, especially because his passive is like a double proc of sheen after 2 abilites. The way how I used to play him was as if I was rift herald, not splitting alone but tagging along with the top lane or jungle in a side lane, if you get enough items in you can easily 3 shot towers, and that's not even at full build. Also I do think there are ability synergies, his E is very difficult to dodge and slows, which allows for an easier Q to land, similar to xerath shooting his w to land other abilities, and ziggs's W is a very good disengage especially if you can manage to use it to jump over a wall and knock your pursuer back, it is also a good chasing tool, being able to knock enemies towards you and your team or into a wall to make what works as a standard airborne. The main reason I think most people don't play him is because his Q is very difficult to land, especially since it can bounce over people and it explodes on contact with walls, and his ultimate being very slow. Also his cooldowns arent long, max Q with a bit of cooldown reduction has like a 2 second cooldown and it does very good damage, so whenever teams stalemate and dance around with little fighting, the poke is invaluable.
I vibe with this amd agree. I like playing safe in lane watching my mid laner roam and then go "Ooooh boy hehehehe you just left a ziggs in lane alone gooobyeeee towaaa" then waddling up to it and tearing the thing down. My proudest ziggs moment would have to be when i got bored of a game flashwd into the enmy base took their turrets without minions then ended the game beacuse they we're fighting for barron.
Isn't this unfair ability to be viable a fail at game design? This means that they don't know how to make them work or how the player should play them well and end up making them unfair...in a competitive game where fairness must be all of the above so everyone can win. I find untargettable mechanic to be one unfair, as of the player needs this to dodge one thing instead of, you know turn to the side or have careful.
Ziggs can make litch bane and rapid fire cannon... Throw Q and hit you for 600dmg with auto. And twoshot turrets (auto+W)
Well tbh his W is a synergy with every other ability if u are good at placing it , and anti-synergy if u are bad off 😔👌
Honestly as a Xerath main I just thought of him as a bad version of Xerath. Xerath's Q for eg has about the same range and does a lot more damage. The same goes for his W. Ziggs also lacks a stun and his ult is super easy to dodge. The only thing he is better at than Xerath is destroying towers and in Season 11 towers get one shotted faster than adcs so why would I ever play him?
The reason is simple, there is nothing more frustrating than seeing his Q boucing around an enemy and not exploding. Also, but that's new, Aurelion Sol now have the ultimate zigg want to have 😅
Ziggs is just fun, especially when youre playing against people who dont know the map exists, before you know if hes taken every tower in the game at 20 minutes
Ziggs main here, it’s been hard but I’m finally hella confident about my ziggs. 😥
I just like seeing turrets go boom!
i really feel like they should rework his passive.. he's other abilitys are fine with maybe a few minor buffs..
its good passive but ziggs dont have enough range with his passive AA maybe if they gave the passive AA more range it would be allright
I feel like ziggs is scary when u get like 3 items his range / poke deal so much dmg
And I would change his passive to add x2 bonus radius for his Q
I disagree about the lack of ability connection, I personally use E to encourage enemies to walk away from that area, and use W to push them into it followed by a Q as the slow lines it up
I don't care about rotation of abilities or combos at all . If there was a champion that represented my mindset in the way they work or play it be this guy. I love a shear artillery powerhouse . No mobility no defense I just want all the shear chaotic outgoing power and variety can have . If and when I play this game I will in no doubt main this hero. And ill be all inning like a complete madman . He stands out to me like he is my destiny .
Go for it! Show everyone the power of a tiny terrorist :D
Yeah let's all just pretend to ignore kha'zix bypass all gravity rules at 12:14
As a ziggs main I say he’s one of the strongest champs out here right now and he will probably get a nerfed soon.
my favorite i like him a lot this season because i feel he has a lot of self peel in this very damage heavy season
Give his Q and R an AD ratio (no reason, I just think AD Ziggs is hilarious)
So Emerald Ziggs player. I love your content (all your Vars channels). Good quality stuff.
However I strongly disagree with your assessment of Ziggs. He certainly fits into the poke mage category with lux xer vel hwei (kind of). Take xer ult vs ziggs, they are both good, just different applications, one is for finishing off a target or sniping someone in a 1v1, Ziggs ult is follow up on cc in a teamfight. Both are great at what they do. Ziggs has amazing poke and his mines are great for objective entrance control and his q is harder to dodge then xerath poke because he doesnt need to charge it. Ziggs getting to destroy towers is actually amazing for a poke mage because you can frustrate opponent to roam because your so defensive and then punish SUPER hard for plate gold.
Last but not least unlike lux vel and xer, Ziggs has one MASSIVE benefit, satchel charge. He is the ONLY poke mage who can reliably escape an all in/ avoid one altogether by jumping a wall. Pair this with minefeild and he not only has a completely offensive (and destructive) kit, but he also manage to be much MUCH safer then a shitty w sheild (from lux) a small knock up (vel) or a super short ss stun from Xer. Compare just how much better a jump/hop/disruption cc ability satchel is paired with minefield compared to ANYTHING the other poke mages can do.
Wanted to play him, cant his mouth, I hate it, cant imagine it opening, like a horrific pacman
Personally I think the biggest problem with Ziggs as someone that plays him support instead of mid is the fact that his E is his main ability.
Q you can just walk up to his model or the line of where he threw it and you dodge it completely because it bounces over peoples heads making this ability completely whack garbage.
On the other hand. Ziggs E is DANGEROUS to be in, and around. The problem is this ability has WAY too high of a cooldown (16 all ranks) to be incredably useful. If they did a LITTLE "wierd" change. Of making it 8 seconds level 1 AND IT SCALES to 16 at max rank (Obviously CDR will counter this) I believe he would actually feel better completely as a champion. Even if he was only played support. At least he would be played at all no?
Very new to League, I picked Twisted Fate because I liked the design but I got annihilated by a Ziggs and decided to try him out. I was surprise when I heard you say that he's not that rewarding to play. I find him super fun, it's nice to constantly aim and know when to use your tools. I've been trying to expand my pool of champions but everything else feels so clunky and awkward. Idk, never been a fights games fan so I'm not used to combos and things, I don't find that fun. I just wasted a lot of blue stuff on Kalista because she also seemed like fun, but just saw your video on her. Oh, well, we'll see.
If anybody has any recomendation for a bit more "meta" champion please share. I enjoy Camille, but I'm not exactly crazy about playing a technograndma.
I know what you mean! His passive and disjointed kit can be very vexing despite him being a fun poke pick. Easiest way to solve it is to kill both birds with one stone!
New passive; Shell Shock: Instead of empowering his AA on a cool-down (25, 20, 15, 10 based on ult level) it instead empowers and augments his next basic ability cast. Also it has a passive that causes his empowered ability's to apply a stack of shell Shock to them that slows them by 30% decreasing over 2 sec. If Ziggs hits them with another seperate ability within that 2 seconds they become Shell Shocked (stunned) and take 10% more dmg from both the dmg proc and all other sources for 2 sec.
Q Augment: his next Q cast has a 20% width size increase and slight dmg boost, as well as causeing the bomb to deal splash dmg on every bounce with a slightly larger one at the end. (kind of how Hiemer empowered E works but not as big and no stun)
W Augment: Increased dmg and turret execute and double distance on launch. Takes 1 full second to arm so it can't be used instantly.
E Augment: One free cast that puts it on a 2 sec cool-down.
This should give him some room for better skill expression while also giving his abilities more synergy and even a way for him to set up his own Ult play.
So I think his main problems are his passive and ult.
I feel like his split pushing should be just cranked up to max so I'd say:
New passive: Ziggs abilities deal 5-30% of their damage to structures as well on a 60 second CD
Ziggs Ult will (like Fizz's Ult) grow larger the further it is thrown so you use it more from afar.
Maybe give his E 2 charges or something like that to zone and it's probably good.