I definitely agree with your ideas for why Tryndamere is not played. He's a really hard champion to play, despite how simple and plain his kit is, which makes him not very popular. Thanks for the shoutout! I'm doing my best to correct Tryndamere not being played much by offering a fun playstyle that works well enough to even be challenger with it.
Heyy! Glad you could catch the video. I hate you for one tricking one of the most frustrating champions to go up against but respect you for also picking one of the hardest champions to play in high elo XD
@@VarsVerum You shoulda pointed out how Tryndamere is a diver adc which is why his r is needed for his kit. Your video was really good about talking about how Tryndamere isn't as easy as he seems but I feel like you should have talked more about what his r does and why he needs his r.
@@VarsVerum Unlike Yasuo and Yone in team fights he has to go in as he is unable to play the standard front-to-back playstyle as his range is abysmal while being as squishy as an adc. This gives him a "brain dead" look as you see Tryndameres rush into the enemy team when going for a typical 5v5 fight as that is usually their only option when unable to a flank off.
@@VarsVerum Oh, I almost forgot about the complexity of his r as it isn't just a boom im invulnerable to the damage button as it requires Tryndamere to predict the enemies damage as Tryndamere needs to time his r correctly so that he can do the highest amount of damage possible in the 5 second time frame as after Tryndameres r is popped he is quite useless especially later on as he is a melee adc that has no real counterplay, unlike Yasuo and Yone. Because of this Tryndamere ends up not able to play the game for 60 seconds late game as killing Tryndamere is quite easy but living against Tryndamere is hard(obv when he has r).
One of the highest base damage in the game, has ridiculous sustain, dashes that can go over walls, can debuff enemies and an ult that prevents him from dying. What can possibly go wrong with this character? Well.... everything else.
@@VarsVerum love the videos man and I bought myself playing azir after the video of why no one plays azir and now I’m M5 with 4 S’es and elder wood skin
It would be great to see a series called "Why everyone hates", in which we see why some champions are really disliked in the community like Yuumi, Irelia, Yuumi...
@@andychua2766 Completely true. Just happens so often with Trynd because he's less good at teamfighting than a lot of other split pushers, like Nasus, Sion or Yorick.
A friend of mine once said that playing Trynd was like playing single player in a multiplayer game. It can be rewarding, but it also creates bad habits and when you lose you'll be firmly reminded that this is a multiplayer game first.
Before I watch the video, as a Tryndamere main: - He is widely hated as a character, for his high damage and 1v1/2 power but inability to teamfight, and having the best ultimate in the goddamn game - The most extreme example of a superultimate champion, he has an OP ultimate, an ok E that is only saved by its ridiculously low cooldown if you can crit, a meh W and a Q that is utterly useless past the early game, not even healing for that much. No CC, no teamfight capabilities, his damage only really comes from basic attacks - Although he isn't hard mechanically, he is counterintuitive, and people picking him up for the first time just don't understand what they're doing wrong with him - His power curve is weird. Level one is highly hazardous and RNG-reliant, he is then relatively weak until level 6 where he is super strong, then slowly falls behind unless he can snowball, but comes back roaring in the very late game - He doesn't fit in any elo: in low elo where you want to carry games alone, you cannot sync with your team because 80% of the time the four of them will be de-synced, you can't rely on them to have good vision, and you push in the constant fear that your team just engages 4v5 for no reason and dies, or 3 people just rotate on you and your team does not ping it; and in high elo, where you can rely on your team, well you don't bring much to the table for yourself: no utility, no cc, and no tankiness (aside from your ult but in that case you need to choose between frontlining and then just leaving, and actually doing damage): you're a really selfish champion after all - Splitpushing is not that good in the current meta After having watched: yeah I pretty much agree. The counterintuitivity is pretty well explained in the second point, and so have the other problems. Good job. I will say, in conclusion, that Tryndamere is a champion based more around knowledge than anything else. He's a keep-cool, all-brainer. Feel free to ask me anything you wonder about the champion
As a Trynda main I agree with you. Pretty ironic that a champion with a "braindead" kit requires knowledge and patience to play him more than anything else
The reason is simple his usefulness is tied to his ult; once his ult is on cooldown then he's pretty much useless against anything with even a single ranged ability
@@jaishkhan7442 A buff won't help, it'll lead to him being exactly the same but with higher highs. What do you buff that tackles the inherent flaws of his kit? You can buff his dmg or lower his cooldowns or change any stats you want, but he will still be a squishy melee ADC who struggles against tanks and CC. Buffing him will make him 2x more oppressive against immobile squishes but just as useless vs Leona. So he'll have the same exact struggles but be even more annoying when he's ahead.
@@jaishkhan7442 The thing that most crazy me is how much bruisers and tanks are strong in this season. A lot of ap mage champions who have a LOT of hp and still one shoots. His damage being mostly attack speed focused even when you build galeforce (you don't build essense reaver or hydra anymore, bork either). You are more outsustained than before. Etc etc etc... People don't realize there are a really little amount of casual players of tryndamere, and the people that they seeing crushing in low elo ranks with tryn are a lot of otp who are masters in the champ and try to keep him alive, fogged and yasukeh have helped a lot in this.
Another good thing about his W which also helps with splitpushing is that it locates nearby champions since you can't use it if no enemies are in range. With this you always know if some1 is waiting for you in a bush or is just around a corner
Not gonna lie, this one felt a lot more tame compared to others. Sometimes with this series we realize a character just has it bad on multiple fronts and they can't do much about it like Lissandra, but in Tryndamere's case its more along the lines of "the few downsides that come with playing Tryndamere, but whatever".
It is. Tryd’s wave clear isn’t that bad compared to other similar champs (with his e, he doesn’t even need Tiamat when that still have an active) All he mentioned isn’t really big problems. Team doesn’t understand Split Push? Just do ur thing and team will eventually understand u. The main issue for Tyrd is too easily kited in team fights, and without actual Cc for team fight.
But only the enemy Tryn one trick. The ally Tryn one trick, meanwhile, dies once top and runs it down mid starting from 5 minutes onwards until they decide to finally leave the game if the game hasn't ended yet by 25 minutes.
Tryndamere taught me a lot of stuff about wave management, matchups, towerdives etc. Because he’s so unforgiving, I think he’s one of the best champions to learn the game on. Yes, even more than Garen.
100% agree. He is simple but EXTREMELY unforgiving if an opponent fucks up Plus he is a fun champ that is very forgiving for learning how to split push. Both because of his ult and mobility, but also for how snowbally he is (which has been the only thing in league that's mattered since I started playing)
@@NeuroNinjaAlexander pretty sure "unforgiving" means you can't afford to mess up while playing him not facing him, which is still wrong, 5 seconds of death immunity and the ad debuff is more than enough to turn the tables on the enemy especially if he's an ad based champion
@@ApocalypticFart What? I re-read my comment like 3 times trying to understand what you're talking about in relation to my comment I wrote that if an opponent fucks up he fucks them up. And because of his mobility he is easy to split push on There's literally nothing wrong with either of those statements. Did you mean to reply to me lol
Even though he’s technically viable in almost all ranks, he is not only a bit boring to play due to his stack checky nature (See Trundle) but his main playstyle of split pushing can be outright counted by good enough macroplay, meaning if his main strat is punished, he has to rely on flanking, which is also not great since he’s very kitable.
@@niklas9848 look up Yasukeh here on YT and you'll see why If you don't want to: Ionia Boots for the CDR. ER first for the CDR and Sheen Proc to get Earlier Plates in lane, and plates=money. Money=earlier items. Stridebreaker for a few reasons. Trynd's #1 weakness is getting kited/CC. If you have Phase Rush Active, slows are reduced on you. Stride works to help activate Phase. It also has a slow and helps waveclear. The CDR is great, too.
@@N12015 kinda but its generally because he doesnt have good gank setups so in pro play they can literally just slow push into tryn and dive with the jungler
Calling tryn a stat check champion is selling the champ short and trundle takes skill and is ftun if you play pillar max. If he has ghost hes flanks are very threatening and he can work in high challenger look up rangerzx he consistenly goes to high challenger with solo tryn
In my opinion as a tryn main, while he is good at split pushing and a great duelist, he can also be used as engage and as a tank for a couple seconds to distract the team if you are fed enough, (at least in low elo), so if you're fed enough you can usually engage in a teamfight and come out pretty much unscathed most of the time.
I think it's because splitpushers are no longer as prevalent. Everything people want to do now is unga unga teamfight until one team dies long enough so they end the game.
It's so annoying, even if a minor "draw pressure" incidence instead of full split pushing, when you're in one lane, maybe with your jungler securing a kill, and your teammate(s) just roam up to join you because they dont know where to be, and see you're up there. But they joined you too late and get caught out by the whole team rotating for us.
As a trynd main for over 3 years now, I think the main reason why only 1 tricks play him is because he is the ultimate stat checker. Meaning, you must know if you'll win a fight before you engage, otherwise you will likely die as his kit relies on all ins. This only comes with practising the matchups consistently.
same, i love him and i even bought the bloodmoon and a chroma for it because I love him so much but I know deep inside that once they rework him, he just won't be the same. if they ever do rework him to the point I won't enjoy it anymore I plan to main sett tho
i'm right now otp, i have 700k mastery points. I too main kayn but with 300 only. Before kayn was my otp, and i used some times other champs (sometimes i use others too, but almost always lose if i don't use Tryn or Kayn xd). I remember the first time i meet tryn, got the nightmare skin in chest, and i tried the champ, i was bronze, i was really really awful playing him, and after i reacher silver almost gold, it was worst. I could not play him well. Then i got another skin, monster hunter . Two skin already and i didn't even play the champ. And i keep just playing him ocassionally, but one of those times i tried, i played really good, i liked so much that game and started to develop a liking to the champ. Then i started to playing one game after other, losing all XD. And playing like shit. I just could not care about it, i just wanted to play him. After some time, i was decent enough, but still not enough and a lot of champions would kill me. Then i discovered fogged, then i discovered some tricks in other places, and i became one of the best otps of the game (i'm really good but my macro game is really bad XD)
As a Nocturne main idk what video he should do, hes not overpicked but he has a lot of presence in high elo and hes both or picked or banned in pro league
Riot is actively trying to remove split pushing in it's entirety, because it's effective; trying to promote "team play" but introducing so new many bs 1v5 champs. Riot is so clueless on their own game it's actually laughable.
Another thing worth mentioning for Trynd is that his R can be cast through cc (even through suppression). I believe this is the only non-cleansing ability in the entire game with this characteristic. If not for this, Trynd might actually be a pretty useless champion. A lot of what Trynd has going for him is that you can't ever stop him from becoming unkillable when he needs it the most (well, unless he fails ult, but that's on the Trynd player). Otherwise it'd be super easy to either kill him while he's cc'd or force him to ult super early, wasting most of the duration of the ult.
0:16 I myslef do have a lot of stuff against trynda players and I dedicated my entire life to becoming a main director of riot games and than completaly removing or in the worse case just reworking him :)
I actually stopped playing him this season despite maining him in all previous seasons I played. This season the item changes and the capping of his crit damage severely nerfed his late game potential, requiring a playstyle of rushing the enemy ad and hoping one had the damage to one shot. The other primary issue is many of Trynds hard counters in lane got significant buffs to their early game off the items, making most laning phases extremely frustrating to escape from. Many times I get 40 cs below the other laner and my team flames me saying I have fallen behind because I'm an idiot, but they don't realize if they tried playing the same lane they would be behind far worse. So many lanes this season are completely unplayable for Trynd. He desperately needs a rework, and I think it's fair to say he will not become viable until some form of hard cc enters his kit (similar to Pantheon or Malphite).
I mainly play Tryn but im bringing him in the jungle. His clear is insane if you "intentionally mismanage" your health pool, allows you to pick your fights and get over your items much more smoothly, without being bullied by toplaners. Can also gank pretty well and both smites are amazing on him.
Love Tryndamere but I 100% agree his design nowadays is lacking, he's just got a massive feeling of being somewhat out of date and out of tune. For such an important character in Freljord's lore, he has 6 boring voice lines and a silly-looking 2012 model. Not to mention this year crits got completely gutted. I just want Junglemere back.
I'm rank 2 trynd na, loved the video. I agreed with so many of the points you brought up and watching you disect my champ made me feel really happy. Most people just think my champ is braindead and very easy, but it took me a few years before I was able to hold a 65-70% Winrate in diamond. I speak for all trynd onetricks when I say great video!
Honestly, I'd be more dejected to find my main in "Why Everyone Plays" then "Why No One Plays-" not that I'd complain since I'm sure the video would be high quality either way.
Nobody plays it against me, I permaban him xd, rather face 18/0 Darius than being killed of a lucky ass crit. I know it's probably a waste of a ban slot, but I hate him that much.
As a trynd main starting in season 3 I can confidently say this video show cases the love that hooks you not the current reality. His crippling bane is kite and every champion in the game has a slow. Also about 60% of my games are cloth 5 into a 5 min bramble negating all my juicy stats. Mid is really the only way to have fun and it’s not that great for the champion.
I need to tell that Trynda feels like champion that needs rework in need future, but Riot don't know how to rework him to not make a situation similar to Aatrox or Kayle reworks. And also i think that Cho'Gath and Corki are in similar spots, there are just enough players that like those characters that they don't want them to be "deleted", but there's cost of being rarely played.
Engagement comment once again! I always forget there’s a Trynda in the game until he carries a fight by refusing to die lol Unfortunately although i hit the notification as soon as i got it, only to learn the video was actually posted 5 hours ago... why, youtube? Show me the content, youtube. :(
please put the name of the background music you use in the description! i keep hearing tunes i recognise but can't remember where they're from and it's frustrating me hahahaha
The best thing for me is how consistent he is on laning phase, if you choose the right runes and build there ir always a way to kill the enemy laner if they mess up. If they play correctly you can always farm with infinite sustain. The worst thing ever is to time your ultimate late game, is very hard to macimize ult demage. if you ult early you dont do enought demage, if you ult late you die, that is the worst for me. It is also bad have to wait to fight with you ult up
That’s cuz illaoi sits there and dares you to send multiple people after her so she can wipe them out with her ult. She’s one of the few where you don’t want to send multiple people after her
oh yes! you forgot an honorable mention: several seasons ago, AP trynd used to be a thing, Foggedftw2 used to abuse it in NA and got to challenger because of it. Riot saw him abusing it to climb, so they nerfed to the ground. 1 person out of the entire NA server lmao.
He's just the perfect one trick Champion in my opinion. Simple kit but still with enough subtleties to not get boring too fast, which means that you reach the point of normally very small, not-so-important minor differences (I'm talking 1-2% on the outcome) in different decisions you take. Which, at least for me, is one of the most fun and motivating things about being a one-trick: squeezing out those last .1% effectiveness out of every situation, min-maxing everything. And I can fully understand that this might not appeal to most of the other players. Also, I am really glad you point out the major differences in playstyle, regarding win conditions and everything. Especially in lower elos, I had that experience countless times: people blaming me for basically focusing on my laning for 15-20 min straight without really doing much apart from maybe one or two short visits at herald or in the enemy jungle, and then basically transitioning to splitting or flanking in team fights. There is no way you get behind the frontline when facing a cc heavy opponent when just running into a team head on. It is way more effective to either wait and play the cleanup crew (dueling, the opponent most likely isn't retreating as a full group of 5), or to exert pressure somewhere else on the map (say splitting on sidelane or even soloing objectives with good q sustain after it is maxed out.
Hey Vars once again an excellent video. Can't wait for the next one you do. Since you already have done Kha'zix's, when will you do Rengar? Also what video category would you say Rengar is in?
As a Trynd main I agree with a lot of what you said but there are some things that aren't completely right imo. 1. Tryndamere isn't coinflippy. If you are good at Trynd you will never coinflip nor will you ever need to. Only bad Trynd players do this. Pretty much every high elo Trynd player agrees with this 2. Trynd is a pretty hard champ both in that he has a high skill ceiling and that he has a very polarizing playstyle. When you are dying it is the best time to go in, even more so than champions like Kled or Olaf. Other than that great video.
tryn is super simple and basic but hes hard cuz he is basically the purest form of stat checking. You mentioned it in the video, basically you have to min max all of his situations including his ult and that only comes with extensive matchup knowledge and a lot of playtime. A good example is a very experienced tryn can make his 5 second ult feel much longer than 5 seconds while a less experienced one will only be able to utilize maybe 2 seconds out of his ult. And any mistake will basically make him useless so he is also extremely punishing.
I know you said "obviously people play him" in ur disclaimer, but I see him so many times, it's like it's as popular as lux one champion alike I barely see tho is Olaf, and when I started the game I thought Olaf and Trynda are the same champion
So happy to finally see my main boi! I think you perfectly hit the nail on the head, however I'd like to add that season 11 has not been kind to us. The crit changes nerfed him, they removed the auto reset on tiamat, and plated steelcaps make your autos feel like wet noodles until you get IE. However Tryndamere is my favorite champ and I encourage anyone looking to play him to watch NEACE coaching on him as its one of the best learning tools for the Angriest Man Alive
I agree 100% with what you're saying. Also, i loved that you pointed out Yasukeh, been using his playstyle a lot. I once got killed by a zed and lost lane because i had 40% crit chance but only got 1 crit in 7 attacks. Feels bad man
I'm a main akali and when i see a tryndamere I feel relief. It's so easy to bait him... idk in high elos, but in gold-plat tryndameres are always dumb as rocks. They ult, i smoke, and they stand there looking at their feet, until their ult wears off and i assassinate him. Same shit with sett.
I have a friend that doesnt know how to 1v1 at all and he doesn't care to learn, he just loves to push and destroy towers, I advised him tryndamere after a few weeks and I shit you not, the man hasn't played any other champ in the last 2 months
I feel like these vids are a personal attack ha ha. You've picked so many characters I've mained; nasus, sona, malz, ziggs and trynd and I believe like 5 others. Guess, I'm just terrible lol.
I definitely agree with your ideas for why Tryndamere is not played. He's a really hard champion to play, despite how simple and plain his kit is, which makes him not very popular. Thanks for the shoutout! I'm doing my best to correct Tryndamere not being played much by offering a fun playstyle that works well enough to even be challenger with it.
Heyy! Glad you could catch the video. I hate you for one tricking one of the most frustrating champions to go up against but respect you for also picking one of the hardest champions to play in high elo XD
@@VarsVerum You shoulda pointed out how Tryndamere is a diver adc which is why his r is needed for his kit. Your video was really good about talking about how Tryndamere isn't as easy as he seems but I feel like you should have talked more about what his r does and why he needs his r.
@@VarsVerum Unlike Yasuo and Yone in team fights he has to go in as he is unable to play the standard front-to-back playstyle as his range is abysmal while being as squishy as an adc. This gives him a "brain dead" look as you see Tryndameres rush into the enemy team when going for a typical 5v5 fight as that is usually their only option when unable to a flank off.
@@VarsVerum Oh, I almost forgot about the complexity of his r as it isn't just a boom im invulnerable to the damage button as it requires Tryndamere to predict the enemies damage as Tryndamere needs to time his r correctly so that he can do the highest amount of damage possible in the 5 second time frame as after Tryndameres r is popped he is quite useless especially later on as he is a melee adc that has no real counterplay, unlike Yasuo and Yone. Because of this Tryndamere ends up not able to play the game for 60 seconds late game as killing Tryndamere is quite easy but living against Tryndamere is hard(obv when he has r).
@@VarsVerum I just wanna say that I love your content man it's honestly so good your insanely underrated as a content creator!
One of the highest base damage in the game, has ridiculous sustain, dashes that can go over walls, can debuff enemies and an ult that prevents him from dying. What can possibly go wrong with this character? Well.... everything else.
Very accurate description XD
He’s boring
@@VarsVerum love the videos man and I bought myself playing azir after the video of why no one plays azir and now I’m M5 with 4 S’es and elder wood skin
@@Bot-vl7pp mission accomplished!
@@DEFxRECON not if you play him jungle. It'd basically a better Olaf with a wall dash.
This series is starting to become as consistent as Riot's lux skin releases.
Uhhh... is that a compliment or? XD
Or ryze reworks
@@VarsVerum A complimentt to you, a roast for Riot
Lux mains are disgusting
Αδελφέ μ φοβάμαι πως έχεις δίκιο... Ο ορν έχει μόνο 3 skins :(
It would be great to see a series called "Why everyone hates", in which we see why some champions are really disliked in the community like Yuumi, Irelia, Yuumi...
I think you forgot "Yuumi"
Master and Rengar
Yuumi*
Rossboomsocks used to make an old series called "why I hate (champion)"
OOooo I really like this idea!!! Hope he does it.
Using this video as podcast while im going to play Tryndamere
HMMM YES......im gonna watch a mukbang video while eating
Wait you werent lifting while playing try already
@@joekenwood4956 Exactly
Motivates me to keep representing Trynd as a fellow one trick
Vars: To win with Trynda you have to be very patient
Tryndamere: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Underrated Comment!!!
"stop dying play safe under tower" xdxdxdxd. I'm otp btw xd
Actually a nord dragonborn, shouts to win, wears the iron helmet from skyrim and came from cold area and is good with 2 handed weapons
6:00 There’s actually another one, and you’ve made a video on him: Yorick
It’s ok, I forget champions all of the time; so Vars probably forgot too :p
I still keep seeing Jayce as an Ezreal skin.
@@Kilesfactor The idea of Jayce is kinda cool, but actually playing Jayce, not really that cool.
@@Kilesfactor virgin ezreal vs chad jayce, how can you mess them up >:(
@@hideyourgf8502 Because I don't see Jayce enough. And honestly, not enough Ezreals either lol
It doesn't matter how much you apologize, we tryndamere mains are ALWAYS ANGRY
It only makes sense
How will you crit otherwisr
Thats my secret, im always angry.
ye we are always angry and thats why we destroy top lane but bot ints always :-
True
It takes a special kind of Psychopath to main Tryndamere!!! Good thing that’s me!!!! Hahaha
Split pushing bot and pulling 3 people to stop it, killing all of them while my team loses a 4v2 at Baron. Ah... yes... the Tryndamere experience.
u forgot to add "while ur team flames u for not helping them in the 'team fight'."
Nah that’s just the split pushing experience
@@coopergardyne424 Yup!
@@andychua2766 Completely true. Just happens so often with Trynd because he's less good at teamfighting than a lot of other split pushers, like Nasus, Sion or Yorick.
Trynamain problems.
I just play Tryn to ensure that Top and Mid towers never exist.
Yorik be like
I'm surprised Trynda's in this series. After all, with a press of a button, he can become-
*title screen plays and blood splatters*
Good reference
Man this channel is my go-to for some relaxing after school or during studying. Ur voice is nice and the content is amazing :)
Thank you!
A friend of mine once said that playing Trynd was like playing single player in a multiplayer game. It can be rewarding, but it also creates bad habits and when you lose you'll be firmly reminded that this is a multiplayer game first.
Happens to me, Trynd main here. When I play other picks, I have to constantly remind myself to group and not splitpush lol
@@felipecuenca2811 THIS
since you are running out of champs then maybe go with items, so: "why NO ONE buys: XXXXXXXXX"
He already has
@@milkjug4237 Yeah... about the pre s11 items, not about the s11 items
@@user-fk1ew3kg8r yeah he did that with ohmwrecker
Before I watch the video, as a Tryndamere main:
- He is widely hated as a character, for his high damage and 1v1/2 power but inability to teamfight, and having the best ultimate in the goddamn game
- The most extreme example of a superultimate champion, he has an OP ultimate, an ok E that is only saved by its ridiculously low cooldown if you can crit, a meh W and a Q that is utterly useless past the early game, not even healing for that much. No CC, no teamfight capabilities, his damage only really comes from basic attacks
- Although he isn't hard mechanically, he is counterintuitive, and people picking him up for the first time just don't understand what they're doing wrong with him
- His power curve is weird. Level one is highly hazardous and RNG-reliant, he is then relatively weak until level 6 where he is super strong, then slowly falls behind unless he can snowball, but comes back roaring in the very late game
- He doesn't fit in any elo: in low elo where you want to carry games alone, you cannot sync with your team because 80% of the time the four of them will be de-synced, you can't rely on them to have good vision, and you push in the constant fear that your team just engages 4v5 for no reason and dies, or 3 people just rotate on you and your team does not ping it; and in high elo, where you can rely on your team, well you don't bring much to the table for yourself: no utility, no cc, and no tankiness (aside from your ult but in that case you need to choose between frontlining and then just leaving, and actually doing damage): you're a really selfish champion after all
- Splitpushing is not that good in the current meta
After having watched: yeah I pretty much agree. The counterintuitivity is pretty well explained in the second point, and so have the other problems. Good job.
I will say, in conclusion, that Tryndamere is a champion based more around knowledge than anything else. He's a keep-cool, all-brainer. Feel free to ask me anything you wonder about the champion
This comment needs more likes, it’s well written and thought out!!
I used to play Tryndamere when I was still playing Lol, and I relate with "first time don't understand what they're doing wrogn with him" imensly.
As a Trynda main I agree with you. Pretty ironic that a champion with a "braindead" kit requires knowledge and patience to play him more than anything else
Gotta love the effort that Riot made when animating the two frames of his autoattack-animation
His crit animation is still one of the funniest animations ever though XD
The reason is simple his usefulness is tied to his ult; once his ult is on cooldown then he's pretty much useless against anything with even a single ranged ability
Especially withy this season's burst on champions and objectives, people are willing to send a few people to stop the trynd splitpushing.
Well that’s why you build against ranged and squishis(runes, galeforce, PD, ghost, etc)
@@bautilo6600 still he stuggles from a lot of things; Enemies stacking armor, Ranged snipers, CC, Teamfights... I really want them to buff him
@@jaishkhan7442 A buff won't help, it'll lead to him being exactly the same but with higher highs. What do you buff that tackles the inherent flaws of his kit? You can buff his dmg or lower his cooldowns or change any stats you want, but he will still be a squishy melee ADC who struggles against tanks and CC. Buffing him will make him 2x more oppressive against immobile squishes but just as useless vs Leona. So he'll have the same exact struggles but be even more annoying when he's ahead.
@@jaishkhan7442 The thing that most crazy me is how much bruisers and tanks are strong in this season. A lot of ap mage champions who have a LOT of hp and still one shoots. His damage being mostly attack speed focused even when you build galeforce (you don't build essense reaver or hydra anymore, bork either). You are more outsustained than before. Etc etc etc... People don't realize there are a really little amount of casual players of tryndamere, and the people that they seeing crushing in low elo ranks with tryn are a lot of otp who are masters in the champ and try to keep him alive, fogged and yasukeh have helped a lot in this.
"Considering most slows are 1-2 Seconds, 4 Seconds is a really long time"
*Laughs in Nasus W*
Another good thing about his W which also helps with splitpushing is that it locates nearby champions since you can't use it if no enemies are in range. With this you always know if some1 is waiting for you in a bush or is just around a corner
This guy tryndameres
Holy fuck i main Tryn and NEVER realizes this!!!! Thank you man!!!
Bloody bastard! Thanks!
As a trynda one trick, I feel respected. Thank you.
Thank you very much, your explanations are getting better and better. I wish you a great day 😊👌
Thank you leauge daddy 🥺
I just started playing MapleStory and stumbled across your old videos for it, which was so weird because I found you through this series xD
Not gonna lie, this one felt a lot more tame compared to others. Sometimes with this series we realize a character just has it bad on multiple fronts and they can't do much about it like Lissandra, but in Tryndamere's case its more along the lines of "the few downsides that come with playing Tryndamere, but whatever".
It is. Tryd’s wave clear isn’t that bad compared to other similar champs (with his e, he doesn’t even need Tiamat when that still have an active) All he mentioned isn’t really big problems. Team doesn’t understand Split Push? Just do ur thing and team will eventually understand u.
The main issue for Tyrd is too easily kited in team fights, and without actual Cc for team fight.
What you said about the one trick was so truee. You don't see them, but when you do, it's an absolute pain in the ass to deal with.
But only the enemy Tryn one trick. The ally Tryn one trick, meanwhile, dies once top and runs it down mid starting from 5 minutes onwards until they decide to finally leave the game if the game hasn't ended yet by 25 minutes.
Oh hi 👋
Dude, it’s like facing a fucking Anivia before her major buff quite a while back if you know what I mean
Tryndamere taught me a lot of stuff about wave management, matchups, towerdives etc. Because he’s so unforgiving, I think he’s one of the best champions to learn the game on. Yes, even more than Garen.
100% agree. He is simple but EXTREMELY unforgiving if an opponent fucks up
Plus he is a fun champ that is very forgiving for learning how to split push. Both because of his ult and mobility, but also for how snowbally he is (which has been the only thing in league that's mattered since I started playing)
@@NeuroNinjaAlexander pretty sure "unforgiving" means you can't afford to mess up while playing him not facing him, which is still wrong, 5 seconds of death immunity and the ad debuff is more than enough to turn the tables on the enemy especially if he's an ad based champion
@@ApocalypticFart What? I re-read my comment like 3 times trying to understand what you're talking about in relation to my comment
I wrote that if an opponent fucks up he fucks them up. And because of his mobility he is easy to split push on
There's literally nothing wrong with either of those statements. Did you mean to reply to me lol
Actually here in SEA specifically Philippines, Tryndamere is often picked by players for the flashy crit and invulnerablity
Tryn is all about patience indeed. I couldn't have said it better.
Even though he’s technically viable in almost all ranks, he is not only a bit boring to play due to his stack checky nature (See Trundle) but his main playstyle of split pushing can be outright counted by good enough macroplay, meaning if his main strat is punished, he has to rely on flanking, which is also not great since he’s very kitable.
That's why his best role right now is Phase Rush midlane, Essence Reaver into Stridebreaker. Crazy teamfight presence, downright unkitable.
@@walkercox5495 Because of Low-E-Cooldown? As Mythic Galeforce? 🤔
@@niklas9848 look up Yasukeh here on YT and you'll see why
If you don't want to:
Ionia Boots for the CDR.
ER first for the CDR and Sheen Proc to get Earlier Plates in lane, and plates=money. Money=earlier items.
Stridebreaker for a few reasons. Trynd's #1 weakness is getting kited/CC. If you have Phase Rush Active, slows are reduced on you. Stride works to help activate Phase. It also has a slow and helps waveclear. The CDR is great, too.
@@N12015 kinda but its generally because he doesnt have good gank setups so in pro play they can literally just slow push into tryn and dive with the jungler
Calling tryn a stat check champion is selling the champ short and trundle takes skill and is ftun if you play pillar max. If he has ghost hes flanks are very threatening and he can work in high challenger look up rangerzx he consistenly goes to high challenger with solo tryn
In my opinion as a tryn main, while he is good at split pushing and a great duelist, he can also be used as engage and as a tank for a couple seconds to distract the team if you are fed enough, (at least in low elo), so if you're fed enough you can usually engage in a teamfight and come out pretty much unscathed most of the time.
Hydra and spirit visage have always been my go to for offtanking
totally agree, people will throw everything at you and your team can have a chance to fight back
True, then you watch the teamfight as you recall will 50hp and hope to god that your team can clean up.
I think it's because splitpushers are no longer as prevalent. Everything people want to do now is unga unga teamfight until one team dies long enough so they end the game.
Yeah
Boring meta tbh
It's so annoying, even if a minor "draw pressure" incidence instead of full split pushing, when you're in one lane, maybe with your jungler securing a kill, and your teammate(s) just roam up to join you because they dont know where to be, and see you're up there. But they joined you too late and get caught out by the whole team rotating for us.
@@amandaslough125 oh god.. stop reminding of that nightmare,even spamming i will be split pushing they come....
As a trynd main for over 3 years now, I think the main reason why only 1 tricks play him is because he is the ultimate stat checker. Meaning, you must know if you'll win a fight before you engage, otherwise you will likely die as his kit relies on all ins. This only comes with practising the matchups consistently.
Nah, don't rework Trynd.
He's fuckin awesome as is.
-why no one plays Tryndamere
Me: *Proceeds to play against a Tryndamere on 3 out of 5 games
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THESE (Tyrndamere)I SPAMMED UR COMMENTS FOR 20 times in past for this I LOVE YOU VARS !! NOTICE ME UWU
My first main, just got back into him recently.
I’m not ready for when he inevitably gets reworked.
same, i love him and i even bought the bloodmoon and a chroma for it because I love him so much but I know deep inside that once they rework him, he just won't be the same. if they ever do rework him to the point I won't enjoy it anymore I plan to main sett tho
i'm right now otp, i have 700k mastery points. I too main kayn but with 300 only. Before kayn was my otp, and i used some times other champs (sometimes i use others too, but almost always lose if i don't use Tryn or Kayn xd). I remember the first time i meet tryn, got the nightmare skin in chest, and i tried the champ, i was bronze, i was really really awful playing him, and after i reacher silver almost gold, it was worst. I could not play him well. Then i got another skin, monster hunter . Two skin already and i didn't even play the champ. And i keep just playing him ocassionally, but one of those times i tried, i played really good, i liked so much that game and started to develop a liking to the champ. Then i started to playing one game after other, losing all XD. And playing like shit. I just could not care about it, i just wanted to play him. After some time, i was decent enough, but still not enough and a lot of champions would kill me. Then i discovered fogged, then i discovered some tricks in other places, and i became one of the best otps of the game (i'm really good but my macro game is really bad XD)
Day 4 of asking Vars to make a video on nocturne
As a Nocturne main idk what video he should do, hes not overpicked but he has a lot of presence in high elo and hes both or picked or banned in pro league
Riot is actively trying to remove split pushing in it's entirety, because it's effective; trying to promote "team play" but introducing so new many bs 1v5 champs. Riot is so clueless on their own game it's actually laughable.
main trynda lvl 7 , learned everything from foggedTFW XD
Another thing worth mentioning for Trynd is that his R can be cast through cc (even through suppression). I believe this is the only non-cleansing ability in the entire game with this characteristic. If not for this, Trynd might actually be a pretty useless champion. A lot of what Trynd has going for him is that you can't ever stop him from becoming unkillable when he needs it the most (well, unless he fails ult, but that's on the Trynd player). Otherwise it'd be super easy to either kill him while he's cc'd or force him to ult super early, wasting most of the duration of the ult.
Literally just saluted without even thinking about it here 8:06
3:16 Spinning Slash is mentioned as his W. Literally unwatchable smh
Man, this aged poorly lol
lmao true
I just like to be a big right arm muscle man
8:34 the sassy lulu god!
"He's a braindead champ" - literally 3 person ranged from silver-gold ELO 💀💀💀💀
Thanks for acknowledging my main :)
0:16 I myslef do have a lot of stuff against trynda players and I dedicated my entire life to becoming a main director of riot games and than completaly removing or in the worse case just reworking him :)
I actually stopped playing him this season despite maining him in all previous seasons I played. This season the item changes and the capping of his crit damage severely nerfed his late game potential, requiring a playstyle of rushing the enemy ad and hoping one had the damage to one shot. The other primary issue is many of Trynds hard counters in lane got significant buffs to their early game off the items, making most laning phases extremely frustrating to escape from. Many times I get 40 cs below the other laner and my team flames me saying I have fallen behind because I'm an idiot, but they don't realize if they tried playing the same lane they would be behind far worse. So many lanes this season are completely unplayable for Trynd. He desperately needs a rework, and I think it's fair to say he will not become viable until some form of hard cc enters his kit (similar to Pantheon or Malphite).
Honestly, splitpushing is dead in Season 11. Pro league proves this. That's the biggest reason Trynd will be a poor champion for a while.
This video: no one plays tryndamere sob sob
The trynds i play against: im at 1 hp and this turret tickles lol
I mainly play Tryn but im bringing him in the jungle. His clear is insane if you "intentionally mismanage" your health pool, allows you to pick your fights and get over your items much more smoothly, without being bullied by toplaners. Can also gank pretty well and both smites are amazing on him.
Love Tryndamere but I 100% agree his design nowadays is lacking, he's just got a massive feeling of being somewhat out of date and out of tune. For such an important character in Freljord's lore, he has 6 boring voice lines and a silly-looking 2012 model. Not to mention this year crits got completely gutted. I just want Junglemere back.
I'm rank 2 trynd na, loved the video. I agreed with so many of the points you brought up and watching you disect my champ made me feel really happy. Most people just think my champ is braindead and very easy, but it took me a few years before I was able to hold a 65-70% Winrate in diamond. I speak for all trynd onetricks when I say great video!
Apes together strong
Honestly, I'd be more dejected to find my main in "Why Everyone Plays" then "Why No One Plays-" not that I'd complain since I'm sure the video would be high quality either way.
Nobody plays it against me, I permaban him xd, rather face 18/0 Darius than being killed of a lucky ass crit. I know it's probably a waste of a ban slot, but I hate him that much.
As a trynd main starting in season 3 I can confidently say this video show cases the love that hooks you not the current reality. His crippling bane is kite and every champion in the game has a slow. Also about 60% of my games are cloth 5 into a 5 min bramble negating all my juicy stats. Mid is really the only way to have fun and it’s not that great for the champion.
Spot on but you forgot about cc makes him useless
1:36 Morgana stealing the crab high key tilted me
Can You do Pantheon please? I dont know his pick rates but I really want to know your views on him.
Maybe for a perfectly designed because im sure he doesnt have a low enough playrate to be in WNOP and not high enough for WEP
And thanks god
Yo, Vars.
Question, because you brought her up. Would Zyra qualify for a WNOP?
If so, I'd like to see what you have to say about my Main ^^
Finally, a video I can use to defend myself against my friends for playing trynd
Oh god I really love your videos! I don't play League that much but enjoy the theory and story! Thanks!
Thanks Franzy! :D
I need to tell that Trynda feels like champion that needs rework in need future, but Riot don't know how to rework him to not make a situation similar to Aatrox or Kayle reworks. And also i think that Cho'Gath and Corki are in similar spots, there are just enough players that like those characters that they don't want them to be "deleted", but there's cost of being rarely played.
there is almost no cost, except the small balance patch in and far between
3:20 - I had no idea spinning slash was his W. Dang I've been wrong for so long.
lol
The completion of each "Why NO One Plays?".
Being OTP make every champion OverPower
It did not take long for this video to become straight up untrue, holy shit league is changing too quickly
Engagement comment once again!
I always forget there’s a Trynda in the game until he carries a fight by refusing to die lol
Unfortunately although i hit the notification as soon as i got it, only to learn the video was actually posted 5 hours ago... why, youtube? Show me the content, youtube. :(
hell no never rework tryndamere if they change tryndamere i swear i will never play him again
Where would you place ornn? I see him a lot lately, but honestly I think it's just because of de patches
please put the name of the background music you use in the description! i keep hearing tunes i recognise but can't remember where they're from and it's frustrating me hahahaha
Agree ty 5star
The best thing for me is how consistent he is on laning phase, if you choose the right runes and build there ir always a way to kill the enemy laner if they mess up. If they play correctly you can always farm with infinite sustain. The worst thing ever is to time your ultimate late game, is very hard to macimize ult demage. if you ult early you dont do enought demage, if you ult late you die, that is the worst for me. It is also bad have to wait to fight with you ult up
i hope they keep it that way because i don't wanna see him in my games
GIVE BACK THE LV1 1% CRIT
Can you make
"Perfectly Designed:Shen" video?
"3 things needed for splitpushing"
illaoi has only 1 but is still viable for that 😅😅😅😅
That’s cuz illaoi sits there and dares you to send multiple people after her so she can wipe them out with her ult. She’s one of the few where you don’t want to send multiple people after her
Next video(s) :
who everyone bans ( New champs, Darius, Akali, Morgana )
yes actually every tryndamere player is a one trick or a two trick.
oh yes! you forgot an honorable mention: several seasons ago, AP trynd used to be a thing, Foggedftw2 used to abuse it in NA and got to challenger because of it. Riot saw him abusing it to climb, so they nerfed to the ground. 1 person out of the entire NA server lmao.
He's just the perfect one trick Champion in my opinion. Simple kit but still with enough subtleties to not get boring too fast, which means that you reach the point of normally very small, not-so-important minor differences (I'm talking 1-2% on the outcome) in different decisions you take. Which, at least for me, is one of the most fun and motivating things about being a one-trick: squeezing out those last .1% effectiveness out of every situation, min-maxing everything. And I can fully understand that this might not appeal to most of the other players.
Also, I am really glad you point out the major differences in playstyle, regarding win conditions and everything. Especially in lower elos, I had that experience countless times: people blaming me for basically focusing on my laning for 15-20 min straight without really doing much apart from maybe one or two short visits at herald or in the enemy jungle, and then basically transitioning to splitting or flanking in team fights. There is no way you get behind the frontline when facing a cc heavy opponent when just running into a team head on. It is way more effective to either wait and play the cleanup crew (dueling, the opponent most likely isn't retreating as a full group of 5), or to exert pressure somewhere else on the map (say splitting on sidelane or even soloing objectives with good q sustain after it is maxed out.
Hahaha , new lethal tempo trynda goes brrr
Hey Vars once again an excellent video. Can't wait for the next one you do.
Since you already have done Kha'zix's, when will you do Rengar? Also what video category would you say Rengar is in?
Hmmm... Probably WNOP. He's been falling off like crazy in terms of pick rate.
Dont know if it's me or my elo because I find a tryndamere every 3 games lol
As a Trynd main I agree with a lot of what you said but there are some things that aren't completely right imo.
1. Tryndamere isn't coinflippy. If you are good at Trynd you will never coinflip nor will you ever need to. Only bad Trynd players do this. Pretty much every high elo Trynd player agrees with this
2. Trynd is a pretty hard champ both in that he has a high skill ceiling and that he has a very polarizing playstyle. When you are dying it is the best time to go in, even more so than champions like Kled or Olaf.
Other than that great video.
tryn is super simple and basic but hes hard cuz he is basically the purest form of stat checking. You mentioned it in the video, basically you have to min max all of his situations including his ult and that only comes with extensive matchup knowledge and a lot of playtime. A good example is a very experienced tryn can make his 5 second ult feel much longer than 5 seconds while a less experienced one will only be able to utilize maybe 2 seconds out of his ult. And any mistake will basically make him useless so he is also extremely punishing.
You should’ve also mentioned that he is extremly Ult dependent. And is useless without it. You’ll just get one shotted
I know you said "obviously people play him" in ur disclaimer, but I see him so many times, it's like it's as popular as lux
one champion alike I barely see tho is Olaf, and when I started the game I thought Olaf and Trynda are the same champion
Trynadamere is played a lot in my experience. Maybe it's cuz im in low elo
What rank?
@@Zanaki113bronze 1 50-100 lp
So happy to finally see my main boi! I think you perfectly hit the nail on the head, however I'd like to add that season 11 has not been kind to us. The crit changes nerfed him, they removed the auto reset on tiamat, and plated steelcaps make your autos feel like wet noodles until you get IE.
However Tryndamere is my favorite champ and I encourage anyone looking to play him to watch NEACE coaching on him as its one of the best learning tools for the Angriest Man Alive
I agree 100% with what you're saying. Also, i loved that you pointed out Yasukeh, been using his playstyle a lot. I once got killed by a zed and lost lane because i had 40% crit chance but only got 1 crit in 7 attacks. Feels bad man
I'm a main akali and when i see a tryndamere I feel relief.
It's so easy to bait him... idk in high elos, but in gold-plat tryndameres are always dumb as rocks. They ult, i smoke, and they stand there looking at their feet, until their ult wears off and i assassinate him.
Same shit with sett.
Ty for showing some mundo 💘
Please do a wnop mundo before the rework! :)
"this is not a personal attack, I have nothing against people who play him" Don't worry, I do. If you play Tryn I will never be your friend
I'm sorry
silver moment
My first main
I have a friend that doesnt know how to 1v1 at all and he doesn't care to learn, he just loves to push and destroy towers, I advised him tryndamere after a few weeks and I shit you not, the man hasn't played any other champ in the last 2 months
I main Tryndamere baby don’t care if I suck or if he sucks I love my Barbarian King and I will fight to the undying death
most people thin playing trynd is easy because right clicking is easy, but they fail to realize how hard it is to win a game with trynd
Why no one plays galio ! (despite how efficient he is)
He can carry for sure but the way of doing it is so team dependant its boring i think prob
I feel like these vids are a personal attack ha ha. You've picked so many characters I've mained; nasus, sona, malz, ziggs and trynd and I believe like 5 others. Guess, I'm just terrible lol.
Not really lol he just explains why other people don't like a certain champ. It's all a matter of preference and playstyle
Have they made crits random? Before there was math that made sure that every X strike was a crit in accordance to your crit-chance.