Awesome narrative description. All the accurate facts and no fluff. So refreshing to see someone who clearly knows their stuff and the potential pitfalls of confusion. Brilliant!
Remember those sick hubs with the titanium centers? I had those on my trials bike way back when....sooooo good! It's probably not worth buying a Pro2 or Pro2 EVO unless they're really cheap as spares are getting hard to get. The Pro 4 should be supported for a while yet though. -Tristan
Great video... I just got some hope pro 4 with a xd driver laced on my current wheel. Bike shop couldn't install the new sram gx cassette with the way the hub came. They said the hub end caps are wrong. Can you help me out on which end caps I should have, or does the bike shop just not know how to install it properly.
If these are new Pro4 hubs then the endcaps are the same between the XD and HG 36.8mm freehub bodies. On the Pro2 EVO and (i think) some of the early Pro4 the outside diameter of the endcap was smaller for the XD freehub but those endcaps haven't been produced for probably 6 years or so. If your hub is that old there is a chance you'll need a new endcap (Hope product code HUB471), otherwise I think it might be an issue with installation. -Tristan
How about the other way around??? I've got a QR frame. It's hard to find 135xqr rear pro 4 now a days. Is it possible to convert non-boost to qr??? Is it just replacing the end caps???
Just discovered your channel, great content 👌💪 would love to hear your thoughts about how the dt 350/240 stack up against the hope pro 4 (or any other hubs with a good value to reliability ratio)
I've avoided the Brand X vs Brand Y videos for a couple of reasons...Frist, often a particular customer has a background with one of the companies and wants to buy them again. "I had Hope hubs on my 1998 GT and I loved them, I want some new ones" type request. Second, peoples needs are different and we often need to listen to those needs rather than just outline Brand X vs Brand Y. Have I got this wrong? Does RUclips want to see hub comparisons? -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels 👍 yea I get where your at, IMHO the best review or comparisons won't say "x is way better than y", I'm more interested in hearing how the product characteristics contrast (or don't), and why one may suit this kind of person, and the other may suit that kind of person. Anyhow, the content your producing is excellent 👌
@@ssmtb thanks! We've got the next couple of vids tee'd up so let me have a think about whether we can do some comparison videos. Thanks for the feedback -Tristan
There isn't a 'better' way of doing it - just different ways. Hope have a great pawl system which works really well. DT Swiss' ratchet system also works well. -Tristan
Hope tell me the original Pro2 came out in 2007 - a full 15 years ago. It's a sign of Hope quality that so many of these are still being used daily. -Tristan
As you know, Hope Pro 2 Evo had two versions such as 24T(original) and 40T. I used to run 24T one and purchased 40T a few years later. Fortunately(or unfortunately), Hope started to sell Pro 4, and of course, I got it and rebuilt my wheelset.
I've never removed the ratchet ring from a Hope hub as I've heard they use some sort of adhesive to hold them in place and they're really hard to get out. We used to remove the ratchet rings in Tune and White Ind hubs quite frequently, and of course do it all the time with DT hubs to access that driveside bearing. -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels Sorry for cofusing. It wasn't a question, but it was a kind of my purchase history. I just wanted to say there were two versions of Pro 2 Evo hub.
@longman you are correct. I also have Pro 2 evo with 24t engagement. Video's mention of 40t on pro 2 confused me as well as I didnt know 40e was even available evo 2. Regardless freehub from Pro 2 evo to Pro 4 (and vice versa) are not interchangeable is what I got out of it. This was very informative video on such a confusing info and thank s for mentioning pro 2 evo with 24t and 40t version.
you sure can. You need HUB258 www.wheelworks.co.nz/shop-2/hope-parts-endcaps-pro5-6-bolt/small-part-hope-endcaps-pro5-6-bolt-135x12-or-141x12-or-150x12-xd-xdr-or-hg-only-pair/ -Tristan
@@kimmolindholm3883 sorry mate! Pro 2 EVO / Pro4 use www.wheelworks.co.nz/shop-2/hope-parts-rear-endcaps-pro2-evo-pro4/hope-pro4-pro2-evo-rear-hub-endcaps-for-135x12-or-141x12/
The Pro3 is basically a road version of the Pro2. Most parts are compatible with the Pro2 - see the techdoc here: www.hopetech.com/_repository/1/documents/PRO3MonoRear-Assy.pdf -Tristan
It never ceases to amaze me how much impact the wholesaler / distributor has on a product. Good distributors turn average products into popular ones, and visa versa. Hope hubs are top notch so hopefully your access to them improves, although I know our NZ distributor is having longer lead times and increased costs since Covid. -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels Hi Tristan You are absolutely correct! Poor distribution can really kill a product. The Canadian distributors of Hope are Hopeless! I abandoned them and approached the US distributor. They almost immediately decided it was an inconvenience to ship to Canada and cut me off completely. I emailed and called Hope in the UK several times to complain and they never responded. Total silence. So I love the hubs but the distribution infrastructure is truly Hopeless!
@@coreymihailiuk5189 I Hope you've Spoken with them as your input will have a Bearing on how they Engage with the market. Sorry, couldn't resist. -Tristan
Yes - you'll need the 142x12mm hub. If the bike uses a quick-release axle then you'll also need the Hope QR endcaps. Drop us a note if you'd like us to build a wheelset for you :-) -Tristan
Absolutely Juan! We often get asked to build wheels for people with a non-Boost bike but they want to plan ahead for when they get a new Boost frame or fork so for this the Pro4 is great. You won't get the full effect of Boost but you'll save heaps of money. -TT
Hi, I have a Hope Pro 4 Rear Disc Hub 135mm Quick Release XD, (not EVO). I want to use it as a 142x12 through axle hub. Do I need endcaps? if so, which? Thank you !
Most of the QR axles from this generation are only drilled for a 5mm QR and not a 12mm axle...so you'll likely need a new axle as well as bearings. Honestly, getting non-EVO Pro2 parts is tough now. The best option is probably to convert your hub to an EVO by installing a new EVO axle, endcaps, bearings, and freehub body. This is an expensive job, but the parts are available and it means you'll get some future life from it. If you're in NZ drop us a line and we can go through what you need, or do the conversion for you. -Tristan
There are probably a few things they outsource but the bulk of what Hope produce is from their factory in the UK. ruclips.net/video/50ovc2Fvo8s/видео.html
Awesome narrative description. All the accurate facts and no fluff. So refreshing to see someone who clearly knows their stuff and the potential pitfalls of confusion. Brilliant!
Thanks Neil! Glad you like this type of content - we'll continue to make more. -Tristan
Great video! Dropping knowledge! Extremely helpful for an old Hope XC hub-era guy like me who's hunting for secondhand Pro2/Evo/4 bargains!
Remember those sick hubs with the titanium centers? I had those on my trials bike way back when....sooooo good! It's probably not worth buying a Pro2 or Pro2 EVO unless they're really cheap as spares are getting hard to get. The Pro 4 should be supported for a while yet though. -Tristan
Informative and concise! Love it! Thanks for the info!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the help!
Happy to help!
Great video, thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Great video and info
I have a pro 2 evo and i need tu convert it into quick release;what are the best measurements of the adapters
Great video... I just got some hope pro 4 with a xd driver laced on my current wheel. Bike shop couldn't install the new sram gx cassette with the way the hub came. They said the hub end caps are wrong. Can you help me out on which end caps I should have, or does the bike shop just not know how to install it properly.
If these are new Pro4 hubs then the endcaps are the same between the XD and HG 36.8mm freehub bodies. On the Pro2 EVO and (i think) some of the early Pro4 the outside diameter of the endcap was smaller for the XD freehub but those endcaps haven't been produced for probably 6 years or so. If your hub is that old there is a chance you'll need a new endcap (Hope product code HUB471), otherwise I think it might be an issue with installation. -Tristan
Love hope hubs long lasting bearings and easy to change parts pawls springs and end caps
Yeah they're awesome user-serviceable hubs!
How about the other way around??? I've got a QR frame. It's hard to find 135xqr rear pro 4 now a days. Is it possible to convert non-boost to qr??? Is it just replacing the end caps???
Yes of course! A 142x12mm hub and the QR endcaps (code HUB470) will convert it to 135x10mm QR
Will EVO pro 2 micro spline free hub fit on to the PRO 4? Thanks!
No it won't. You need a Pro4 freehub body -TT
Just discovered your channel, great content 👌💪 would love to hear your thoughts about how the dt 350/240 stack up against the hope pro 4 (or any other hubs with a good value to reliability ratio)
I've avoided the Brand X vs Brand Y videos for a couple of reasons...Frist, often a particular customer has a background with one of the companies and wants to buy them again. "I had Hope hubs on my 1998 GT and I loved them, I want some new ones" type request. Second, peoples needs are different and we often need to listen to those needs rather than just outline Brand X vs Brand Y.
Have I got this wrong? Does RUclips want to see hub comparisons? -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels 👍 yea I get where your at, IMHO the best review or comparisons won't say "x is way better than y", I'm more interested in hearing how the product characteristics contrast (or don't), and why one may suit this kind of person, and the other may suit that kind of person.
Anyhow, the content your producing is excellent 👌
@@ssmtb thanks! We've got the next couple of vids tee'd up so let me have a think about whether we can do some comparison videos. Thanks for the feedback -Tristan
Sir. Confuse in ratchet and pawl hub. Any different for this two system ? Does it one make us fast and power transfer more ?
There isn't a 'better' way of doing it - just different ways. Hope have a great pawl system which works really well. DT Swiss' ratchet system also works well. -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels Ok. Thanks for sharing . Highly appreciated.
thanks!
Welcome!
I have a hope pro2 on my Kona 135qr it's really good, how old is the pro2 ?
Hope tell me the original Pro2 came out in 2007 - a full 15 years ago. It's a sign of Hope quality that so many of these are still being used daily. -Tristan
As you know, Hope Pro 2 Evo had two versions such as 24T(original) and 40T. I used to run 24T one and purchased 40T a few years later. Fortunately(or unfortunately), Hope started to sell Pro 4, and of course, I got it and rebuilt my wheelset.
I've never removed the ratchet ring from a Hope hub as I've heard they use some sort of adhesive to hold them in place and they're really hard to get out. We used to remove the ratchet rings in Tune and White Ind hubs quite frequently, and of course do it all the time with DT hubs to access that driveside bearing. -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels Sorry Sir, but you seemed to answer to a wrong comment. Could you check it again?
@@superlongman In that case I don't understand your question sorry mate. Can you re-ask it?
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels Sorry for cofusing. It wasn't a question, but it was a kind of my purchase history. I just wanted to say there were two versions of Pro 2 Evo hub.
@longman you are correct. I also have Pro 2 evo with 24t engagement. Video's mention of 40t on pro 2 confused me as well as I didnt know 40e was even available evo 2. Regardless freehub from Pro 2 evo to Pro 4 (and vice versa) are not interchangeable is what I got out of it. This was very informative video on such a confusing info and thank s for mentioning pro 2 evo with 24t and 40t version.
Hope pro 4 convert 12x148 to 12x150? What kit use?
There is no kit on the market to do this. -Tristan
Can i convert Hope Pro 4 12x157 XD to 12x150? If what kit i use?
you sure can. You need HUB258 www.wheelworks.co.nz/shop-2/hope-parts-endcaps-pro5-6-bolt/small-part-hope-endcaps-pro5-6-bolt-135x12-or-141x12-or-150x12-xd-xdr-or-hg-only-pair/ -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels is that hub258 kit fit hope pro 4 because that link is hope pro 5 rear hub?
@@kimmolindholm3883 sorry mate! Pro 2 EVO / Pro4 use www.wheelworks.co.nz/shop-2/hope-parts-rear-endcaps-pro2-evo-pro4/hope-pro4-pro2-evo-rear-hub-endcaps-for-135x12-or-141x12/
You didn't say anything about Hope Pro 3. I have a Hope Pro 3 SP-AM4 wheelset. Which freehub is suitable?
The Pro3 is basically a road version of the Pro2. Most parts are compatible with the Pro2 - see the techdoc here: www.hopetech.com/_repository/1/documents/PRO3MonoRear-Assy.pdf
-Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels Thank you! I've already figured it out
I only wish the Canadian distributor for Hope actually had them in stock! They always have next to no stock.
It never ceases to amaze me how much impact the wholesaler / distributor has on a product. Good distributors turn average products into popular ones, and visa versa. Hope hubs are top notch so hopefully your access to them improves, although I know our NZ distributor is having longer lead times and increased costs since Covid. -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels Hi Tristan You are absolutely correct! Poor distribution can really kill a product. The Canadian distributors of Hope are Hopeless! I abandoned them and approached the US distributor. They almost immediately decided it was an inconvenience to ship to Canada and cut me off completely. I emailed and called Hope in the UK several times to complain and they never responded. Total silence. So I love the hubs but the distribution infrastructure is truly Hopeless!
@@coreymihailiuk5189 I Hope you've Spoken with them as your input will have a Bearing on how they Engage with the market. Sorry, couldn't resist. -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels Awesome!
Will a pro 4 fit a 2009 Santa Cruz chameleon?
Yes - you'll need the 142x12mm hub. If the bike uses a quick-release axle then you'll also need the Hope QR endcaps. Drop us a note if you'd like us to build a wheelset for you :-) -Tristan
dt swiss 350 vs hope pro 4 which one better , which one lighter
on our to-do list is a video comparing these two hubs with the Dial. I don't have an ETA for when we'll get this video done though sorry :-( -Tristan
What must be the cost of it hope pro 4
When built into wheels they're a similar price to the Dial or DT Swiss 350 hubs: www.wheelworks.co.nz/dt-swiss-alloy/
Changing the spacers will not take the main advantage of boost though, the extra space between flanges making the wheel stiffer
Absolutely Juan! We often get asked to build wheels for people with a non-Boost bike but they want to plan ahead for when they get a new Boost frame or fork so for this the Pro4 is great. You won't get the full effect of Boost but you'll save heaps of money. -TT
Hi, I have a Hope Pro 4 Rear Disc Hub 135mm Quick Release XD, (not EVO). I want to use it as a 142x12 through axle hub. Do I need endcaps? if so, which? Thank you !
Most of the QR axles from this generation are only drilled for a 5mm QR and not a 12mm axle...so you'll likely need a new axle as well as bearings.
Honestly, getting non-EVO Pro2 parts is tough now. The best option is probably to convert your hub to an EVO by installing a new EVO axle, endcaps, bearings, and freehub body. This is an expensive job, but the parts are available and it means you'll get some future life from it.
If you're in NZ drop us a line and we can go through what you need, or do the conversion for you. -Tristan
Hmmm weird, they just assemble in the UK. Novatec produce everything else
There are probably a few things they outsource but the bulk of what Hope produce is from their factory in the UK. ruclips.net/video/50ovc2Fvo8s/видео.html