Impressed by this video actually - not often a manufacturer shows you how to fully service their products - instead they usually want to you just ditch it, and buy a new one; or they want you to take it to a specialist, to overhaul it for a lot of cash.
@@pukki34 my lb shop charged 35 dollars labor and the cost of bearings. so for a hope hub 100usd$ for the 60dollar bearings. this was replacing four bearings used the right grease the right tools and returned it clean and smooth. They also guaranteed that it was installed right or theyd give me new bearings. Shops arent evil they just need to cover losses and keep a store front.
@@Pens4Life85 Sorry what - this isn't a video about Apple - its about a British Company called Hope, and I stand by my comment, even 2 years later. If you have an issue with any of Hope's products, then take it up with them, I'm sure they will be happy to oblige you.
Oh man I wish I would live near the factory of Hope and could actually work there as a cnc worker ✌🏼combine hobby and work must be such a great thing... Greets from Germany 👌🏻
Excellent vid, just used it as my yr old hub had failed, on dismantling the pawl springs had rusted through! Dissapointing that the hub didnt have better water protection & why not stainless steel springs, never had pawl spring failure like that in 25yrs of cycling, what's that saying about chains only being as strong as the weakest link.
Once I did the research and looks like they use Mobil XHP 222. Bought myself a cartridge and used to re-grease all my hubs (hope, bontrager, i9 and DT Swiss), stuff works amazing.
after 3 years i changed my bearings on me hope rs4 20five wheelset there was nothing wrong with them on both hubs and flywheel so i serviced them packed them out with epo grease kept them and put me ceramic ones in. bloody awesome enduro zero front hub and flywheel and ceramicspeed on rear hub. could not have done it without watching this thanks, and the hope 20fve wheels are amazing they have lost 0 shape im up and down curbs in London commute every day and go home more or less on a gravel track on the canal on me trek 2019 Duel sport 4
slightly different for the pro 4 microspline freehub, have to take the inner bearing out first then remove the sleeve, there's a circlip behind the outer bearing
Honestly, amazing breakdown so happy you guys have this. Just got a pair of 104’s and this is a big help! Do you have any recommendations for oils instead of grease? We all love loud hubs!!!!
I have used HTT182 for the axle bearings and the 6001 tool for the freehub bearings as the outer diameter of the 6001 bearings are 28mm the same as the 17287 bearings
Im picking up my dream Dirt Jumper tomorrow, everything thats on it at the moment is basically my dream builddd whatttttt. Hope wheels, Hope Pro 4 hubs, Chromage fu4o bars, Marin Alcatraz frame, its a full custom, all i need to buy is Hope F20 pedals and my dream build is done
Who takes apart their wheel to service the hub? Press is great but will not work with the entire wheel. I've punched out and hammered the bearing in and the process is fairly straightforward with the proper Hope drifts. I think the grease they use is Mobilgrease XHP 222. Anyone know where to get that grease gun?
Can the end cup cause wheel wobble on these? The cup thats used as a spacer and has a rubber gasket in the i side. My rear wheel has a hair of play and I dont know whats causing it.
Hi Dan - I have a Hope Pro front hub fitted with QR axle. I'd like to switch it to15mm through axle, which seems to be an easy thing to do BUT... what about the forks? Does hopetech make steel fork adapters so I can prepare them for the new front wheel?
How often do you recommend a hub clean/service? I do my dt swiss 240 every 5000k but the red grease on the ratchet rings gets grey and dirty after 500k already. I checked the pawls on my hope rs4 after 3000k and the blue grease was still crazy fresh and basically new. The green seal is phenomenal! Other question: My friend has the pro 4 on his hardtail and i thought about upgrading my rs4 2ratched freehub to a 4 ratched freehub just because of the sound. He runs his hub dry to be louder. Is this bad for the hub? does it get hot on long fast descends? Last question: Can the theeth inside the hub be replaced too? can i screw them out like on my dt 240? if so how often do you recommend this. my rs4 hubs have already 8000k of winter and wet riding now and deserve some love even if they don't realy need it.
I bought a brand new rear hub and 2 months later it was playing up. Was told it was the bearings. So took it back to where I bought it and got the bearings replaced 👍 all good. However, I now can’t hear that wonderful ratchet clicking sound, it’s really quiet! What could the problem be and is it an easy fix? Thanks.
@@subforascoobysnack6460 ooh I can’t remember now it was over two years ago. I can’t remember what I had for breakfast! 👍 I do know that I still had an issue and reached out to Hope. They replaced the teeth, Paul’s and springs. Which was super awesome of them! 👌
Cold spray works wonders when working with bearings. I will ignore everything regarding grease and forget about the big green seal - and the one trick pony seal tool. I got insane clicking and free spinning with just a dab of motor oil. It will survive about 5 minutes in Norway, but I like that people here when I am coming. Enjoy trying to fit the freehub without loosing the pawls three times.
@@nickb7369 I never in 8 years had a Hope Pawl that fell out. I did have a weak e-motor installed for one winter, and it mangled the aluminium holding the pawl in the Hope Pro 4. Opting for LMX 64 type of solution next time with separate sprocket.
@@nickb7369 Yes, that part is finicky, but not impossible. I thought you meant more grease make it more durable, which is true for sure. I like to use minimal amount and fill a little from time to time, just to scare pedestrians with that clicking sound.
If the ring drive in the hub shell is damaged can that be replaced or do I need a new hub shell? The teeth in my Fatsno 170mm hub are damaged and the hub is no longer useable. My Hope dealer said to buy a new hub as they believe the ring drive cannot be removed and replaced.
How come the bearing in the freehub (inner) wasnt set flush to the exterior of the freehub, but stick out half. In my hub. The outer bearing of freehub was completley unrecognizable. Balls shell parts and metal rings fell out when i removed the freehub...
Just had an odd feeling my rear wheel wasn't spinning as smooth or as long as it used too. Decide to bite the bullet and have a go at this - which was a bit of a gulp moment, as I am not really a mechanic. Anyhow, took it steady and wheel is all back together and seems to be spinning fast and true like new again. Here's hoping I got it all right, but it feels good.
hi i noticed my hope rear hub is softer than other hope pro 4 hubs and i opended my freehub and saw blue grease like the one used in this video, mechanic and mates told me should have any marine grease in the pawls as it will quieten it down and that i should degrease it and use mieral oil or a thin silicone grease
The blue grease used by Hope in their hub's is Mobilgrease XHP™ 222 (It's mentioned in one off their other videos) I believe it is a marine grease. I have bought this and use it for my mountain bikes, being in the UK where we have a fair amount of the wet stuff works well and is cheaper than 'bike' specific greases.
I am surprise the bearings are removed by tapping one side instead of having a tool to push it out parallel to the axis. Doing so may actually enlarge the surface inside the hub.
You can’t push it out from more than just the one edge- there’s a sleeve in the way. All you can access is one little bit of edge of the bearing. But it’s fine, it’s not pressed in that hard. It’ll pop right out without damaging the bearing.
anyone know if a hope pro 4 will fit on hope pro three as mine has died the sprocket sliced right through the alloy splines cant afford 70 pounds for a replacement cheers
Your website is bloody useless boys - how about listing the tools required for an axle change (i.e. your SS to make it work with 142 x 12) and maybe provide kits? There's a lot of confusion online as to whether the tools for the Pro 2 Evo will work with Pro 4, etc. Part numbers please!
Hopes site has product documents for everything, inc part numbers. If you can’t remove an axle from a hope hub you probably shouldn’t be doing it. You tap it out with a mallet which will take a bearing with it and you either tap out or extract the other bearing with a slide hammer.
@@Adam-vm8kp All done and dusted, ooh, over a year ago now, thanks Adam, just prior to a full wheel build and bike build, but it's a fair point you make and yes, many should probably leave it alone. Nothing in my comment suggested I couldn't do it, rather that I'd prefer not to go at it with a socket set and a screwdriver. The comment above was probably made in frustration; I love Hope and their products, but as I recall I had been sold a bearing drift or similar for a Pro 2 that was listed as being for a Pro 4 by a shop that shall remain nameless. In fairness they can't control how some of their dealers list or sell their product. It would seem easier to make complete service kits available direct from Hope for each generation of hub rather than chasing through part numbers and hoping they've been listed correctly by your bike shop of choice. Apparently 7 people above and about 40 people below feel similarly.
@@jonnystark2912 ah sorry yes you are right I forgot about that. The hyper glide shimano body has the bearings pressed in from either side, whereas the microspline has both bearings pressed in from one side so the circlip is to stop the first bearing walking out. Circlip pliers to get it out then pull the last bearing, press a new one all the way in and then push the circlip back and it will snap into its groove just above the bearing seat, I’d pack the entire of the cavity between the two bearings with grease as the ms bodies go through bearings faster in my experience. I now realise after 5m you’ve probably sorted this.
Thanks buddy, tbh I ended up buying a new one. I totally destroyed the bearings and I think I damaged something inside the freehub as it just wouldn't run right
I don't seem to be going as smoothly as he does with tapping in the driveside seal at 13:13. I seem to be having the fun of one side going in whilst the other pops out.
Microspline : Warning this video on the freehub for microspline can't be used. There us a nasty c clip that must be removed for the outer bearing, and you drift it out through the freehub opposite to the threads.
Impressed by this video actually - not often a manufacturer shows you how to fully service their products - instead they usually want to you just ditch it, and buy a new one; or they want you to take it to a specialist, to overhaul it for a lot of cash.
That is true. And the LBS will tell you the same. Or charge crazy amounts for a bearing change
@@pukki34 my lb shop charged 35 dollars labor and the cost of bearings. so for a hope hub 100usd$ for the 60dollar bearings. this was replacing four bearings used the right grease the right tools and returned it clean and smooth. They also guaranteed that it was installed right or theyd give me new bearings. Shops arent evil they just need to cover losses and keep a store front.
@@Pens4Life85 Sorry what - this isn't a video about Apple - its about a British Company called Hope, and I stand by my comment, even 2 years later.
If you have an issue with any of Hope's products, then take it up with them, I'm sure they will be happy to oblige you.
These how-to videos are great - they'd be even better if the specialised tools were listed out with part numbers.
Jason W exactly!
Any decent bearing press kit will have the sizes needed and the hub suport can be made/bought.
Oh man I wish I would live near the factory of Hope and could actually work there as a cnc worker ✌🏼combine hobby and work must be such a great thing...
Greets from Germany 👌🏻
He did not mention about putting the LLB bearing in first in the freehub. Easy mistake to put wrong way round.
This comment should be right up top. I would never have spotted that they were different without this. Thanks!
Can you elaborate on this please?
@@predrag1 One of the smaller bearings says "MR17287" on the side. This one should be installed first in the freehub i.e. closest to the pawls.
Excellent vid, just used it as my yr old hub had failed, on dismantling the pawl springs had rusted through! Dissapointing that the hub didnt have better water protection & why not stainless steel springs, never had pawl spring failure like that in 25yrs of cycling, what's that saying about chains only being as strong as the weakest link.
Good job young man, gotta love Hope!
Great video, what grease does he use on the springs?
Once I did the research and looks like they use Mobil XHP 222. Bought myself a cartridge and used to re-grease all my hubs (hope, bontrager, i9 and DT Swiss), stuff works amazing.
after 3 years i changed my bearings on me hope rs4 20five wheelset there was nothing wrong with them on both hubs and flywheel so i serviced them packed them out with epo grease kept them and put me ceramic ones in. bloody awesome enduro zero front hub and flywheel and ceramicspeed on rear hub. could not have done it without watching this thanks, and the hope 20fve wheels are amazing they have lost 0 shape im up and down curbs in London commute every day and go home more or less on a gravel track on the canal on me trek 2019 Duel sport 4
Mission accomplished! I just converted my pro 4 from a QR axel to the bolt in type. Thanks so much for the help.
You normally get that caps for through axel in the wheelset. You just pop off the qr caps and push in the other caps lol
I don't know why but the way he disassemble the hub while explaining how to do it is kinda relaxing.
slightly different for the pro 4 microspline freehub, have to take the inner bearing out first then remove the sleeve, there's a circlip behind the outer bearing
@@boostbikehub2619 yah just found this comment after an hour of frustration. How can I get this circlip out?!
Honestly, amazing breakdown so happy you guys have this. Just got a pair of 104’s and this is a big help! Do you have any recommendations for oils instead of grease? We all love loud hubs!!!!
Thanks to this video I serviced my Pro 4 hub instead of buying the new Pro 5. Saved $490.
Great video, thanks! Where can I get a grease gun like that?
Does the HTT182 fit for pressing in all the bearings, or is it a completely new tool for the Pro 4?
I have used HTT182 for the axle bearings and the 6001 tool for the freehub bearings as the outer diameter of the 6001 bearings are 28mm the same as the 17287 bearings
Im picking up my dream Dirt Jumper tomorrow, everything thats on it at the moment is basically my dream builddd whatttttt.
Hope wheels, Hope Pro 4 hubs, Chromage fu4o bars, Marin Alcatraz frame, its a full custom, all i need to buy is Hope F20 pedals and my dream build is done
Awesome I have a hope pro 4 trial hub and runs fantastic... Best hub ever and so easily to maintain...
thanks a lot for sharing! Awesome content I can now service my hub with complete peace of mind :) great stuff !
Who takes apart their wheel to service the hub? Press is great but will not work with the entire wheel. I've punched out and hammered the bearing in and the process is fairly straightforward with the proper Hope drifts. I think the grease they use is Mobilgrease XHP 222. Anyone know where to get that grease gun?
Where do I fine these parts? Specifically the springs.
How can you use a bearing press with your hub laced into a wheel, who takes the hub out of wheel to change the bearing
What? You only remove the cassette to strip the hub down to the shell? Hes just showing you with a hub only…
excelente tutorial. y es increible la sencilles y el rendimiento que se obtiene utilizando bujes hope 4. Saludos desde argentina Y GRACIAS !
Cuales son las medidas de los apoyos para empujar los bujes ?
Can the end cup cause wheel wobble on these? The cup thats used as a spacer and has a rubber gasket in the i side. My rear wheel has a hair of play and I dont know whats causing it.
Hi Dan - I have a Hope Pro front hub fitted with QR axle. I'd like to switch it to15mm through axle, which seems to be an easy thing to do BUT... what about the forks? Does hopetech make steel fork adapters so I can prepare them for the new front wheel?
So, the flat side of the non-drive side seal should face the hub and the tapered side should face the end cap?
Great video, defo gonna need to do this soon. can this be done still attached to the spokes/rim? Thanks in advance for any responses
it can and it is easier then resting the hub in your hand
Brilliant construction - tough and simple, but still pretty light!
Just got Pro 4 hub set for my slope style full suspension bike😍
How often do you recommend a hub clean/service?
I do my dt swiss 240 every 5000k but the red grease on the ratchet rings gets grey and dirty after 500k already. I checked the pawls on my hope rs4 after 3000k and the blue grease was still crazy fresh and basically new. The green seal is phenomenal!
Other question: My friend has the pro 4 on his hardtail and i thought about upgrading my rs4 2ratched freehub to a 4 ratched freehub just because of the sound. He runs his hub dry to be louder. Is this bad for the hub? does it get hot on long fast descends?
Last question: Can the theeth inside the hub be replaced too? can i screw them out like on my dt 240? if so how often do you recommend this.
my rs4 hubs have already 8000k of winter and wet riding now and deserve some love even if they don't realy need it.
OmegaMan yes but be sure to buy the alloy one not the heavy mtb steel one
I bought a brand new rear hub and 2 months later it was playing up. Was told it was the bearings. So took it back to where I bought it and got the bearings replaced 👍 all good. However, I now can’t hear that wonderful ratchet clicking sound, it’s really quiet! What could the problem be and is it an easy fix? Thanks.
probably too much grease in the ratchet system, not a problem but it will dull the sound
jamble7k you’re absolutely right mate! I decided to clean and regrease them. Not too difficult a job for me and they sound great now! 👍
@@MountainBikePete what grease did you use ?
@@subforascoobysnack6460 ooh I can’t remember now it was over two years ago. I can’t remember what I had for breakfast! 👍
I do know that I still had an issue and reached out to Hope. They replaced the teeth, Paul’s and springs. Which was super awesome of them! 👌
@@MountainBikePete Alright man, thanks a lot for answering my question
What are the part numbers for all these tools, bearing support bushings, etc? Confusing to find the right parts online.
Is replacing the bearings in a hope micro spline freehub exactly the same??
Cold spray works wonders when working with bearings.
I will ignore everything regarding grease and forget about the big green seal - and the one trick pony seal tool. I got insane clicking and free spinning with just a dab of motor oil. It will survive about 5 minutes in Norway, but I like that people here when I am coming. Enjoy trying to fit the freehub without loosing the pawls three times.
If the pawls have a coating of grease on them, they stay in place a lot better
@@nickb7369 I never in 8 years had a Hope Pawl that fell out. I did have a weak e-motor installed for one winter, and it mangled the aluminium holding the pawl in the Hope Pro 4. Opting for LMX 64 type of solution next time with separate sprocket.
@rewind9536 You said "enjoy trying to fit the freehub without loosing the pawls three times"
@@nickb7369 Yes, that part is finicky, but not impossible. I thought you meant more grease make it more durable, which is true for sure. I like to use minimal amount and fill a little from time to time, just to scare pedestrians with that clicking sound.
The black 'end cap' on my hope pro 4 (front) comes off easily, is this right? Bit concerned about losing it when having to remove the front wheel...
Great job! This is customer servic!
If the ring drive in the hub shell is damaged can that be replaced or do I need a new hub shell? The teeth in my Fatsno 170mm hub are damaged and the hub is no longer useable. My Hope dealer said to buy a new hub as they believe the ring drive cannot be removed and replaced.
How come the bearing in the freehub (inner) wasnt set flush to the exterior of the freehub, but stick out half. In my hub. The outer bearing of freehub was completley unrecognizable. Balls shell parts and metal rings fell out when i removed the freehub...
Just had an odd feeling my rear wheel wasn't spinning as smooth or as long as it used too. Decide to bite the bullet and have a go at this - which was a bit of a gulp moment, as I am not really a mechanic. Anyhow, took it steady and wheel is all back together and seems to be spinning fast and true like new again. Here's hoping I got it all right, but it feels good.
Handy video! Again part numbers or a service kit would be great!
What is the "grease gun" you are using at 11;18 ? Seems to be coil backed ? I searching for such a tool to service my pro 4. Otherwise great vid Hope
Marc-André Gaudreault looks like a Nordson DispensGun
Mobil XHP 222 grease
Good video and excellent content
hi i noticed my hope rear hub is softer than other hope pro 4 hubs and i opended my freehub and saw blue grease like the one used in this video, mechanic and mates told me should have any marine grease in the pawls as it will quieten it down and that i should degrease it and use mieral oil or a thin silicone grease
The blue grease used by Hope in their hub's is Mobilgrease XHP™ 222 (It's mentioned in one off their other videos) I believe it is a marine grease. I have bought this and use it for my mountain bikes, being in the UK where we have a fair amount of the wet stuff works well and is cheaper than 'bike' specific greases.
I am surprise the bearings are removed by tapping one side instead of having a tool to push it out parallel to the axis. Doing so may actually enlarge the surface inside the hub.
Nah its ok.
You can’t push it out from more than just the one edge- there’s a sleeve in the way. All you can access is one little bit of edge of the bearing. But it’s fine, it’s not pressed in that hard. It’ll pop right out without damaging the bearing.
anyone know if a hope pro 4 will fit on hope pro three as mine has died the sprocket sliced right through the alloy splines cant afford 70 pounds for a replacement cheers
Your website is bloody useless boys - how about listing the tools required for an axle change (i.e. your SS to make it work with 142 x 12) and maybe provide kits? There's a lot of confusion online as to whether the tools for the Pro 2 Evo will work with Pro 4, etc. Part numbers please!
Hopes site has product documents for everything, inc part numbers. If you can’t remove an axle from a hope hub you probably shouldn’t be doing it. You tap it out with a mallet which will take a bearing with it and you either tap out or extract the other bearing with a slide hammer.
@@Adam-vm8kp All done and dusted, ooh, over a year ago now, thanks Adam, just prior to a full wheel build and bike build, but it's a fair point you make and yes, many should probably leave it alone. Nothing in my comment suggested I couldn't do it, rather that I'd prefer not to go at it with a socket set and a screwdriver.
The comment above was probably made in frustration; I love Hope and their products, but as I recall I had been sold a bearing drift or similar for a Pro 2 that was listed as being for a Pro 4 by a shop that shall remain nameless. In fairness they can't control how some of their dealers list or sell their product. It would seem easier to make complete service kits available direct from Hope for each generation of hub rather than chasing through part numbers and hoping they've been listed correctly by your bike shop of choice. Apparently 7 people above and about 40 people below feel similarly.
What's the process for fitting bearings in a microspline freehub
Blind bearing puller, process is the same for microspline, xd and hg. Just different sized bearings.
There is a ciclip in the microspline that I didn't see in this video
@@jonnystark2912 ah sorry yes you are right I forgot about that. The hyper glide shimano body has the bearings pressed in from either side, whereas the microspline has both bearings pressed in from one side so the circlip is to stop the first bearing walking out. Circlip pliers to get it out then pull the last bearing, press a new one all the way in and then push the circlip back and it will snap into its groove just above the bearing seat, I’d pack the entire of the cavity between the two bearings with grease as the ms bodies go through bearings faster in my experience.
I now realise after 5m you’ve probably sorted this.
Thanks buddy, tbh I ended up buying a new one. I totally destroyed the bearings and I think I damaged something inside the freehub as it just wouldn't run right
@@jonnystark2912 problem solved haha. The majority of ms freehubs are a bit of a ballache in general.
Could u tell me why my hub has went super quite wen be4 it was super loud be4 only noticed this wen av changed it from 8speed to single speed ??
Cassette shouldn’t make much difference to the sound, generally the more grease or thicker grease will be quieter and last longer.
Lube on the pawls
I don't seem to be going as smoothly as he does with tapping in the driveside seal at 13:13. I seem to be having the fun of one side going in whilst the other pops out.
ended up using my old green drive side seal - the new one has become a spare before I break something more expensive trying to get it in.
@@piz83 Mine took a bit more pressure to get in than expected also!
Tip for people doing this and don’t have all the hub supports you can get away with using sockets for everything
5 years later and great reference video. If anyone is wondering that is an arbour press.
You sell tools on chain reaction. Will they work on spank hubs ?
Awesome vid.
Where can I get one of those grease guns from please
Try it with "google"...
Mobil XHP 222 grease
Good Job!!
this guy has some serious forerarms
i really hate hammering a besring to way out.
Good video as springs don't last long
Where's the wheel?
Indeed. Its a good video but I would like to see it with the wheel attached to the hub.
did he forget to put the spacer sleeve inside the freehub ?
9:07
Anyone knows the part number of the hub rest tool??
sorry but i can't help it.. can we use the other side..? 🤣 good video thou.. how to make hope hub guieter anyway..
more grease or oil
Microspline : Warning this video on the freehub for microspline can't be used. There us a nasty c clip that must be removed for the outer bearing, and you drift it out through the freehub opposite to the threads.
A vice is also a press chances are you got one. A clamp (woodworking) is also a press. Be creative.
😎😎😎
My hope Pro 20FIVE rear wheel just developed some wobble'n'play... eurgh.
I can’t..... I CANT FUCKIG POP IT OFF!
Hope yo-yo
The local mechanic here told me that the green seal is useless. Is he right or did he just made a stupid mistake?
Joseph Tinsay It isn't useless. Depending on where you ride and how you clean your drivetrain you may have to clean the freehub more frequently.
Eeeem
Bow bout keeping the camera on the job muppets!
just watch this video to one side