OMG I've already got I9 wheels & hubs on my bike but I still get giddy watching this! Best upgrade I've done for my bike! I want an I9 Hydra hub for a fidget toy!
Bike Technician from Ft.Worth, TX. Witnessing the process of how the components I work on and install, are created, gives me an incredible understanding and just makes me smile. Thank you!
Thank you for the factory tour! I am more impressed with my Hydra hubs than before. I look forward to building a custom set of Industry Nine wheels for my next bike.
Thanks for showing us around the Hub & Wheel shop of Industry Nine! I learned a bunch on how they are made....and the precise engineering that make clatter of the hubs famous!
Must say, high POE is a genius idea from production POV! Applying more strickt requirments to pawl shape and placement may bring the individual cost of pawls and a ratchet ring up to ten times compared to low POE systems, but will effect the overall cost under ten percent. But the performance boost justifies even higher price and additional spendings, like colored spokes with non-standard nipples. *THIS* is how you apply _Know_-_How_ to be ahead of competition
Love that they’re made right here in the USA. However, there’s definitely a price that comes with domestic manufacturing and thorough hand assembled perfection. I’d love to throw some Industry Nine furniture on my ride but their Hydra hub and a set of spokes alone would be more than I initially paid for Trek Marlin 6 which I’ve already more than doubled the price of in aftermarket parts. Beautifully machined parts and meticulously run operation though. Kudos to Industry Nine!
Boys: Before getting a super high engagement hub - just a PSA here: It will most likely give you more pedal kickback. Since there's less play from moving the pedals to actually engaging the hub. Not saying it's good or bad, but no wheel companies ever mention it. 😘
Thank you so much for the video. I am extremely intrigued on how things are made. I am a designer of my own products. Although they are wood products. I can’t wait until I buy a set of I9’s for my specialized turbo levo. Keep making videos like this.😊
As someone who works as a machine tool operator/ programmer for CNC mill turns I always find myself trying to reverse engineer the hub and make my own one. Can't beat I9 though, they're the bread and butter of the hub design and manufacturing industry! :D
As a USA dude I support buying local and have owned 2 separate I9 wheelsets but had nothing but problems with both. Horrible bearings and a broken rear axle were the 2 main issues, but there were others. I know that lots of riders are super stoked with their I9s, but 2 sets were more than enough for me.
The bearings are industrial bearings and no cup and cone. I don't have an I9 hub but you could just use Timken or SKF bearings instead of the stock ones. Nobody can make better bearings than the industry leaders from the US, Europe or Japan
It isn't the quality of the bearings - these hubs would destroy any bearings because of terrible design. Single pawl engagement ruins main bearing and freehub body bearings (and also breaks axles)
@@leoelkins3664 I overhauled a Tourney freehub body 2 days ago. It has 2 engagements, but they are not 180° on the other side, so there's also some force on the bearings of the freehub body. However this hub is constructed in a way the cup and cone bearings of the wheel itself are independently from the bearings of the freehub body, and the freehub body dont put any extra stress on the main bearings. The main bearings run in the inner part of the freehub body, while the ratchet mechanism is engaging into the outer part of the freehub body which is made of steel too.
These are great hubs. We have a couple sets. I will say though, I can't tell much of a difference between 690 points of engagement and other low POE hubs. Regardless, they are durable and hold up to Clydesdale racing without issue. Also, i9 hubs have the widest flange spacing of any hubs I have found, which leads to a laterally stiffer wheel.
I have been rocking my i9s for a few years and can tell you it’s a kick butt product and their warranty has been insanely good. Will never own another wheelset ever.
I just turned my pile of cash into an I9 EN300 wheel set. Super easy. But seriously, I got this wheelset 6 months ago and it's been the best upgrade in my Specialized Turbo Levo. I instantly noticed the stiffness and improved bearing and freehub.
I've got the old torch hubs on my bike and they're super reliable and perform flawlessly. 3 years of seriously hard riding - bike parks, dusty conditions, crashes, cased jumps, etc... Still spin smooth and engage great. Honestly wouldn't be worth my money to upgrade to hydra
Too bad we can't get any quick release axles anymore. Sadly everyone's gone to thru-axle, and 29er. I still ride 26" quick release wheels. Otherwise I'd seriously consider buying some. I love to see that parts are still made here in the USA. Thanks.
@@robertmcfadyen9156 in this case you used proper axles. My Scott Aspect has Tourney hubs from stock, and they worked surprisingly well until I rode some gnarlier trails the last time. I discovered a broken front axle (it's QR) last week. It's just a 9 mm axle with a 5 mm hole in it and the effective diameter is even less since the 9 mm are the outer diameter of the thread. I could repair it with a new inner axle, but I will switch to XT hubs in medium term which have a much thicker axle inside the hub
5:42 if only 1 pawl is ever engaged at once it will unevenly distribute load on the hub, it also puts half the load into the bearings which would typically have zero load with a 3 pawl hub
Only thing special about this hub is how easily the axles break. Engineering an axle that flexes to engage pawls out of a material that has no fatigue limit is no very bright. Stick with DT Swiss if you want something reliable!
I love I9 wheels but I don't like aluminum spokes. I have seen catastrophic failures where spokes pulled out from the rim when a stick went through the wheel. I would much rather replace broken steel spokes. I9 makes a straight pull hub with steel spokes for Ibis, I just wish they offered one for the open market.
I assume the advantage of aluminium spokes for them is they can make them with thicker material without getting too much weight. A normal steel spoke has a smaller thread, this thread may be too small to screw it into an aluminium body. Aluminum is not like steel if you have threads in it, they can get pulled out. A steel spoke made of a thicker material however will weigh more
They sell hubs for center lock rotors if that's what you are after. I prefer them because it allows the flanges to be a little wider, so the wheel is laterally stiffer.
i was thinking about it the whole vid... the teeth have to be EDM'd, why not just utilise 1 machine center with a bar feeder for everything else... the contour is really not that complicated
We used bar feeders for axles and freehubs for years. Now we use robots and twin spindle lathes which increase efficiency over parting off and transferring the second op to another machine. We still barfeed end caps, spacers, and the drive rings. Fwiw, the parent company made Spego barfeeders for many years.
@@vicman4170 Hi- A question - could you bar feed and near machine complete, re-take into sub-spindle to finish second end simultaneously then robot/gantry unload to pallet? A machine such as the Index G series (other brands are available) would nail these parts super fast in one hit - you could remove many machines from your inventory. Loved the WEDM part Anna was holding, hope the corrosion control is better on production parts!
Alex, The easy question is yes, but not as quickly as we can saw slugs, load/unload with a robot in a twin spindle lathe. Saws become more efficient after a certain diameter. As far as removing machines from inventory, we are a job shop that also does quite a bit of contract machining for other customers. Utilizing robots has increased our available space for more machines vs tying up floor space with large bar feeders. Please don't get me wrong we have plenty of them and as mentioned in my first post we made Spego barfeeds for a very long time. The goal is always to be more efficient if possible and this process is where we are for now. Regarding the corrosion on the drive ring, that part was pulled fresh from the EDM after a 24 hour cycle/soak in DI water. They are a neat blue/purple color from vacuum heat treating when they go in followed by a bead blast to clean up after EDM. Anna did a fantastic job of explaining that process by the way.
GMBN Is crushing it! Love this. We may be biased when it comes to factories and CNC...
OMG I've already got I9 wheels & hubs on my bike but I still get giddy watching this! Best upgrade I've done for my bike! I want an I9 Hydra hub for a fidget toy!
fidgeting that i9 sounding spinner and i’d be daydreaming about riding and cogs non stop
More of this sort of thing, please!
Bike Technician from Ft.Worth, TX. Witnessing the process of how the components I work on and install, are created, gives me an incredible understanding and just makes me smile. Thank you!
Thank you for the factory tour! I am more impressed with my Hydra hubs than before. I look forward to building a custom set of Industry Nine wheels for my next bike.
yup, i'm running the hydra XD geared & single speed, love how they rides!
I received my first ever set of i9 wheels last week. Custom level 3 Hydra build. Was so worth the wait, I love them!
Would like to see a factory tour of Hope.
Thanks Anna, Rich, and all the folks at Industry 9 for a brilliant video!
That was great . I have a pair of hydra hubs. Nice to see inside of process
Great insight, thank you! Now let's have a look at how rims get made!👏
Extruded then seam welded is the long story short.
Thanks for showing us around the Hub & Wheel shop of Industry Nine! I learned a bunch on how they are made....and the precise engineering that make clatter of the hubs famous!
Must say, high POE is a genius idea from production POV! Applying more strickt requirments to pawl shape and placement may bring the individual cost of pawls and a ratchet ring up to ten times compared to low POE systems, but will effect the overall cost under ten percent. But the performance boost justifies even higher price and additional spendings, like colored spokes with non-standard nipples.
*THIS* is how you apply _Know_-_How_ to be ahead of competition
Love that they’re made right here in the USA. However, there’s definitely a price that comes with domestic manufacturing and thorough hand assembled perfection. I’d love to throw some Industry Nine furniture on my ride but their Hydra hub and a set of spokes alone would be more than I initially paid for Trek Marlin 6 which I’ve already more than doubled the price of in aftermarket parts. Beautifully machined parts and meticulously run operation though. Kudos to Industry Nine!
I absolutely love my custom I9 wheel sets!! Great edit! Thanks for the tour!
Boys: Before getting a super high engagement hub - just a PSA here:
It will most likely give you more pedal kickback.
Since there's less play from moving the pedals to actually engaging the hub.
Not saying it's good or bad, but no wheel companies ever mention it. 😘
just ride a hardtail ;)
I ride a hardtail so it doesn't worry me
@@Alexanderpeters98 Y'all hardtail bros are excused from above PSA.
@@MTB_CRZY Y'all hardtail bros are excused from above PSA.
Dt swiss 54t is max I run because of this. Anything more than that is diminishing returns.
I love I9!! They give me their blem hubs to make art. I wish my glass spoke wheel was there when you filmed there. I9 freakin' rules!
Thank you so much for the video. I am extremely intrigued on how things are made. I am a designer of my own products. Although they are wood products. I can’t wait until I buy a set of I9’s for my specialized turbo levo. Keep making videos like this.😊
As someone who works as a machine tool operator/ programmer for CNC mill turns I always find myself trying to reverse engineer the hub and make my own one. Can't beat I9 though, they're the bread and butter of the hub design and manufacturing industry! :D
I'm exactly the same. Thankfully I use a EDM. Not a huge amount of work tbh
Actually many are better.
I9 is poorly sealed and pretty draggy.
@@EnglertRacing96 then maybe... mention some of the better ones?
@ThereIsNoSpoontang Project 321, chris king, and hadley are all lower drag and better sealed. They all also have preload adjusters.
@@EnglertRacing96 cool :) much appreciated
That was so cool to see. Doddi would have loved that.
Love this! Thanks for the tour!
Thanks GMBN-ABSOLUTELY LOVE I9 wheels!
As a USA dude I support buying local and have owned 2 separate I9 wheelsets but had nothing but problems with both. Horrible bearings and a broken rear axle were the 2 main issues, but there were others. I know that lots of riders are super stoked with their I9s, but 2 sets were more than enough for me.
The bearings are industrial bearings and no cup and cone. I don't have an I9 hub but you could just use Timken or SKF bearings instead of the stock ones.
Nobody can make better bearings than the industry leaders from the US, Europe or Japan
It isn't the quality of the bearings - these hubs would destroy any bearings because of terrible design. Single pawl engagement ruins main bearing and freehub body bearings (and also breaks axles)
@@leoelkins3664 I overhauled a Tourney freehub body 2 days ago. It has 2 engagements, but they are not 180° on the other side, so there's also some force on the bearings of the freehub body.
However this hub is constructed in a way the cup and cone bearings of the wheel itself are independently from the bearings of the freehub body, and the freehub body dont put any extra stress on the main bearings. The main bearings run in the inner part of the freehub body, while the ratchet mechanism is engaging into the outer part of the freehub body which is made of steel too.
These are great hubs. We have a couple sets. I will say though, I can't tell much of a difference between 690 points of engagement and other low POE hubs. Regardless, they are durable and hold up to Clydesdale racing without issue. Also, i9 hubs have the widest flange spacing of any hubs I have found, which leads to a laterally stiffer wheel.
Love to see this kind of production
Well done with the technical explanations.
I wish I had all the tooling, milling and machinery that Industry nine has
My favorite! Love my i9 hubs!!!
Beautiful parts. I totally don't need them, but really want some now.
Awesome,so much work and design go's into making a product,you dedefinitely pay for what you get.💯👌🏻
Great hubs, been running them for 2 years now, only wished they had better bearing life in the wet tropical conditions.
Great video! Looking forward for more like it. Thanks
Can't wait to get my i- nines. I'm hoping to have them by the end of the week
Fascinating, thank you.
TQ... very nice documentary.
So cool. Love the tour videos
WOuld be good to see the Hope factory tour
I have been rocking my i9s for a few years and can tell you it’s a kick butt product and their warranty has been insanely good. Will never own another wheelset ever.
I just turned my pile of cash into an I9 EN300 wheel set. Super easy.
But seriously, I got this wheelset 6 months ago and it's been the best upgrade in my Specialized Turbo Levo. I instantly noticed the stiffness and improved bearing and freehub.
Love it go to some more shops looks like 5dev are keen
💥💥💥THE PROCESS IS AWESOME! 💥💥💥
This was a very Interesting video. Great job. 👍🏻
DT swiss engineers seem to have different opinion regarding high POE 🤔
Hope y'all enjoyed ashville, i go there every now and then to ride and drink.
excellent video!
I love my hydra hubs. I've had them on my last two bikes.
One of those in red would look awesome on my whip.
What?!! You guys were an hour away from me? Wish I had known! I want an autograph 😩
I live about an hour away from their factory and I took a tour there a couple years ago
I've got the old torch hubs on my bike and they're super reliable and perform flawlessly. 3 years of seriously hard riding - bike parks, dusty conditions, crashes, cased jumps, etc... Still spin smooth and engage great. Honestly wouldn't be worth my money to upgrade to hydra
I kind of like the hub before the second polishing (7:09).
Great show
Funny you guys did this segment on Industry Nine, I’d been looking into having them build me a set of wheels..
I wish I had that hub.
Amazed by the quality and level of manufacturing. Don’t see wire EDM in many afordable parts
Wonderful video.
Too bad we can't get any quick release axles anymore. Sadly everyone's gone to thru-axle, and 29er. I still ride 26" quick release wheels. Otherwise I'd seriously consider buying some. I love to see that parts are still made here in the USA. Thanks.
Imagine the outlay for this company to pay before they start earning a profit!
His dad's shop was the first thing she said. He had free materials and machines. All he had to do was design it. Youth not wasted.
And then think about how much a new car manufacturer has to invest before they can earn money.
They are making plenty of money 💰 🤑 💸
I made a MTB hub set on Colchester CNC in 1990 as an apprenticeship project . They worked well .
@@robertmcfadyen9156 in this case you used proper axles. My Scott Aspect has Tourney hubs from stock, and they worked surprisingly well until I rode some gnarlier trails the last time. I discovered a broken front axle (it's QR) last week.
It's just a 9 mm axle with a 5 mm hole in it and the effective diameter is even less since the 9 mm are the outer diameter of the thread.
I could repair it with a new inner axle, but I will switch to XT hubs in medium term which have a much thicker axle inside the hub
The only other hub I would consider is an onyx vesper, but the Hydra is even still so much lighter.
Next time somebody says these hubs are expensive, show them this video..
I much prefer Hope hubs with just 4 points of engagement but sounds even better
Galing! 😊
Industry 9 are the best! 🔥
someone's dream has already come true love em
Shear perfection 🥰 😊😊
Asheville is a cool town
Beeaauutiful ⚡️ like shiny jewelry ✨
There 1/1 hubs are the best sounding hubs out of all the hubs out there just the right amount of sound 👍
😍These wheels are what someone's dreams are made of🥰
Great video
that familiar sound " tunong mayaman" in the Philippines literally means sounds rich/expensive.
its so funny you're doing these videos where I'm moving and your doing a video about machining. I've been a machinist for 30 years
is the hydra compatible with the hope pro 4 adapters
missing Doddy, but this was great
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sheeeshhh I want one!!!!!!!
Would've been neat to learn if they employee their own engineer and if that person creates the files for CNC or do they sub that work out?
Made here in NC 🤙
Have the addressed the issue with bearings I can’t even get 200 miles on a set of bearings kinda a bummer for such a nice product
3:03 I can't believe I9 spokes are made from 7075 aluminum....or I have misunderstood something there.
Those hubs are annoyingly loud. I like those Onyx quiet hubs.
Thatz amazing
If you have the choice always pick forged parts over machined from solid.
Forged parts are much stronger.
5:42 if only 1 pawl is ever engaged at once it will unevenly distribute load on the hub, it also puts half the load into the bearings which would typically have zero load with a 3 pawl hub
Yup, it seems DH riders are willing to accept this compromise.
Only thing special about this hub is how easily the axles break. Engineering an axle that flexes to engage pawls out of a material that has no fatigue limit is no very bright. Stick with DT Swiss if you want something reliable!
I love I9 wheels but I don't like aluminum spokes. I have seen catastrophic failures where spokes pulled out from the rim when a stick went through the wheel. I would much rather replace broken steel spokes. I9 makes a straight pull hub with steel spokes for Ibis, I just wish they offered one for the open market.
I assume the advantage of aluminium spokes for them is they can make them with thicker material without getting too much weight. A normal steel spoke has a smaller thread, this thread may be too small to screw it into an aluminium body. Aluminum is not like steel if you have threads in it, they can get pulled out. A steel spoke made of a thicker material however will weigh more
steel spokes also perform better as the damping effect is increased.
What about Onyx hubs with the Spragg clutch system. Practically 0° engagement
Son lindos lástima que no me alcanza para comprar unos así 😭😭😭😭😭
They're nice hubs but I'm not sold on alloy spokes or high POE.
Very nice ,very tech ,but WHERE IS DIRECT DISC MOUNT OPTION!!!!??????? Igues I go for DT SWISS
They sell hubs for center lock rotors if that's what you are after. I prefer them because it allows the flanges to be a little wider, so the wheel is laterally stiffer.
1st. I’ve have i9 hubs on my bike and they are the most, man.
i need one
I could imagene a industry 9 gmbn tech edition that would also be a nice logo
The music mixed in at the ending was very distracting "bew bew bew bew bew bew" sounded like a japanese train crossing signal 😂
Lifetime warranty? Like other big brands?
I thought that was Marjorie Taylor Green at first lol. What an amazing process though. Such high quality!
Don’t insult Ana like that!
Ah the best sound in the universe
You guy's sold me on these wheels. Now if you could get my wallet on board that would be amazing.
Standard PPE for a machine shop are safety glasses and ear protection! Great video but you're roaming about unprotected.
продано))) беру )))
THE FORBIDDEN BLUE CHOCOLATE CHIPS
😋😋😋😋😋😋
Someone needs to tell them about bar fed lathes. You can turn a bar into a complete part on 1 machine.
i was thinking about it the whole vid... the teeth have to be EDM'd, why not just utilise 1 machine center with a bar feeder for everything else... the contour is really not that complicated
I'm sure they know about them. Maybe it doesn't work for their application. Maybe getting new machines is too big a cost for the benefit.
We used bar feeders for axles and freehubs for years. Now we use robots and twin spindle lathes which increase efficiency over parting off and transferring the second op to another machine. We still barfeed end caps, spacers, and the drive rings.
Fwiw, the parent company made Spego barfeeders for many years.
@@vicman4170 Hi- A question - could you bar feed and near machine complete, re-take into sub-spindle to finish second end simultaneously then robot/gantry unload to pallet? A machine such as the Index G series (other brands are available) would nail these parts super fast in one hit - you could remove many machines from your inventory. Loved the WEDM part Anna was holding, hope the corrosion control is better on production parts!
Alex, The easy question is yes, but not as quickly as we can saw slugs, load/unload with a robot in a twin spindle lathe. Saws become more efficient after a certain diameter. As far as removing machines from inventory, we are a job shop that also does quite a bit of contract machining for other customers. Utilizing robots has increased our available space for more machines vs tying up floor space with large bar feeders.
Please don't get me wrong we have plenty of them and as mentioned in my first post we made Spego barfeeds for a very long time. The goal is always to be more efficient if possible and this process is where we are for now.
Regarding the corrosion on the drive ring, that part was pulled fresh from the EDM after a 24 hour cycle/soak in DI water. They are a neat blue/purple color from vacuum heat treating when they go in followed by a bead blast to clean up after EDM.
Anna did a fantastic job of explaining that process by the way.