Finally, someone is showing a great, safe, taiotoshi. I remember many years ago, when Paul Maruyama was giving a clinic on taiotoshi at the now defunct NJI. He never "said" what you have, but showed it in demonstration. I saw it as taiotoshi being a throw without pulling.....only pushing. Afterward, after everyone else had thanked him, I approached and told him what I thought. He put his finger over his mouth and said, "shhhh", as in "don't tell them our secret. God bless you for every knee saved by this video.
Interesting. I was introduced to this style of Tai Otoshi when a black belt from another system came in. I was taught to bend the knee and pop it straight once the uke touches it and it serves as a lever for the throw. It works well and my teacher buried me with it a few times. Thanks again for the explanation.
I also learned this method. On many years, I spent in the dojo I saw only one Judoka using your method. He has the power to perform this style. Regards from Germany Dirk
@@Q.Lawrence Hi Lawrence. I suppose, my best times in the dojo are over. So I prefer the "classic" way to throw taio - bent the knee down. Damaged knees are not very nice... Have a nice evening.
Tai otoshi is defined by Kodokan as an "arm throw". The calf should be either directly on the shin or slightly in front, depending on how bent the knee is, but in my opinion the "pop" that you're referring to is usually a sign that the initial kuzushi is too weak and that there is too much reliance on upper body strength...
I came to this because I've been having issues with taio in the past month. I'm realizing thanks to this that I've been trying to power through without knocking uke off balance first, making the throw slow and sloppy. Also my right leg placement being really far back and standing directly in front of uke make it off, too. Thanks for clearing things up, and for showing the two variations; I really like Korean, but I never knew about Mongolian, so I'd like to practice that one.
Well, that’s interesting. I was watching my daughter performing her first tai otoshi yesterday and this is very good advice for her to improve it. And stay safe!
thanks for this sensei. this is my favorite throw but very hard to execute correctly. just got the hang of it before the lockdown. my key takeaway was to first do the back step to the side THEN do the stab in with the foot and hips to allow the 'pulling forward' motion instead of block it unto you like harai/hane/uchimata or other hip throws. then when you stab in, the motion/momentum carries over to when you do rotate the arms for the throw. it's opposite to the plant the stance first then throw i usually see. the stab-in motion is a useful mechanic. our coach follows the kodokan style 50/50 without the calf-to-shin touch and knees slightly pointing down as safety for the tori does put weight on your legs so if it collapses then the knee is not an awkward angle.
I've been under the impression that a lunging stance with feet pointed perpendicular rather than parallel to uke's feet was safer for the knee than a horseback riding stance. The rationale being that if uke fell onto the leg they would fall onto the back of a bent knee, moving it in the intended direction, not ideal but more favorable than falling onto the side of the knee as would be the case in a horseback riding stance. Is this a misconception? Is there still significant risk to the leg in a lunging stance?
i agree man, the knee has to be slightly bent and the hip has to be internally rotated so the knee is protected. But this is a biomechanical point of view, i Don't know if the judo's point of view is the same (technically speaking)
I always do Taio with my tripping leg knee pointing slightly in on the inside, on the balls of my feet. I never do Taio with my leg straight. Blew my patella out like that when I did it the first time and boy did that hurt. Always have a slight bend and taiotoshi is pretty much a body drop where the opponent takes a step forward and trips over your leg causing the fall to happen.
my coach always tells me to throw it with the knee facing downwards the way you describe, and ive personally only ever done it that way so im also wondering. i think ill keep throwing the way i have been though
i did it on randori last Week but with the kumi kata of o goshi.. my right hand was in the back of my opponent, my forearm in his left armpit. Great variation i think! Whatever, thank you sir from Belgium!!
I always used to perform tai otoshi correctly and get the opponent injured. Just a year ago before COVID-19 outbreak started, I broke my right ankle while trying to take down my major school bully.. Even though I won, I still suffer from my ankle. No one probably messes with me now.
I'm 17 years old. I started training judo recently and I mostly learn from your videos and use that in training. Is it possible for me to win a medal in a smaller competition in a few months? Sorry for bad English
Hi Mariano, Isa here responding for Shintaro while we're all social distancing. Drop taio can be very effective but you should always learn regular taio first. As an example, drop techniques are usually banned below brown belt during randori in our dojo! As for Korean taio, it's a great technique. Especially as an attack immediately off of a one handed grip.
Another technique for preventing injury to the blocking leg is to point the toes and knee straight down (rotate another 90 degrees from straight forward) instead of pointing the knee directly forward.
tai Otoshi is one of the first technique to learn, but most people tend to rely on the legs trip (very wrong) instead of pulling vigorously with the arms.
I know the story. It happened to me 7 years ago same way. I didn't break tori's balance and snap everyone heard it. It took 2 surgeries to make it right. 42 at that time 49 now and back at it.😁
Hi George, Isa here responding for Shintaro while we're all social distancing. You should aim to have your feet parallel. For the leg that's going across your partner's body, think calf-to-shin.
Hi Leon, Isa here responding for Shintaro while we're all social distancing. Generally tai o toshi is a more fundamental judo throw. Ashi guruma is mostly seen in a right vs left scenario where-as taio is a little more versatile.
My takedowns & throws are garbage so bear with me, my question is, can a throw be made effectively without sticking the knee out? The comments below of broken knees is making me cringe. Is there a technique to use more of a hip toss rather then tripping where knee is vulnerable?
In the element of surprise i do this toshi with just bring the body attacker to my body and placement his weight on my back and throw but a little emphasize on the block that the way I spar with this move.for element of surprise
When doing a Tai Otoshi, you must pull your opponent/partner's dress and the foldable part of your knee should be on your opponent/partner's knee and it should be folded a little bit, the Hip should not be touching your partner or else the throw would be difficult to perform. You need to do a Uchi Komi but your right leg should be infront and a little outside of your opponent/partner's left leg and your left leg should go a bit far so that your hid does not come infront of your partner. The more down you go, the more easier it will be to throw him/her/them. When throwing, remember to straighten your leg fully from it being folded a little bit and when you do, you need to pull your partner and thats how you do it. This is the safest way possible and if you want a very good demonstration then watch the video cause it will show and include some of them
I'm guessing they are just using the camera's built in mic which picks up the cameraman's breathing. They should maybe look into some sort of shotgun mic. I'm far from an expert in this area, maybe someone with more knowledge can give some definitive advice.
Hi, Isa here responding for Shintaro while we're all social distancing. That's an interesting question. It's possible that Won hee lee popularized taio in Korea. Koreans also have a very specific style of gripping that is more conducive to taoi!
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Finally, someone is showing a great, safe, taiotoshi. I remember many years ago, when Paul Maruyama was giving a clinic on taiotoshi at the now defunct NJI. He never "said" what you have, but showed it in demonstration. I saw it as taiotoshi being a throw without pulling.....only pushing. Afterward, after everyone else had thanked him, I approached and told him what I thought. He put his finger over his mouth and said, "shhhh", as in "don't tell them our secret. God bless you for every knee saved by this video.
Definitely a scary throw for sure! You are very welcome. Stay safe.
I found out the hard way. My knee popped. Good thing it's only streched but still six weeks in rehab
Interesting. I was introduced to this style of Tai Otoshi when a black belt from another system came in. I was taught to bend the knee and pop it straight once the uke touches it and it serves as a lever for the throw. It works well and my teacher buried me with it a few times. Thanks again for the explanation.
I also learned this method. On many years, I spent in the dojo I saw only one Judoka using your method. He has the power to perform this style.
Regards from Germany
Dirk
@@Emmermacher Yeah. I think if you have good upper body strength, you can get away with popping the knee.
@@Q.Lawrence Hi Lawrence. I suppose, my best times in the dojo are over. So I prefer the "classic" way to throw taio - bent the knee down. Damaged knees are not very nice...
Have a nice evening.
@@Emmermacher Thanks, you too.
Tai otoshi is defined by Kodokan as an "arm throw". The calf should be either directly on the shin or slightly in front, depending on how bent the knee is, but in my opinion the "pop" that you're referring to is usually a sign that the initial kuzushi is too weak and that there is too much reliance on upper body strength...
Sensei! Incredible as always. Your explanations are so easy to understand and full of detail. I want to come to your school one day. Thank you!
Incredible way of explaining tai otoshi and breaking it down into simple steps , even a beginner would understand!
I'm amazed with the frequency and quality you produce content here! Thank you so much for keeping this alive, such a resource!
wonderful. Very clear and to the point!
I came to this because I've been having issues with taio in the past month. I'm realizing thanks to this that I've been trying to power through without knocking uke off balance first, making the throw slow and sloppy. Also my right leg placement being really far back and standing directly in front of uke make it off, too. Thanks for clearing things up, and for showing the two variations; I really like Korean, but I never knew about Mongolian, so I'd like to practice that one.
Well, that’s interesting. I was watching my daughter performing her first tai otoshi yesterday and this is very good advice for her to improve it. And stay safe!
thanks for this sensei. this is my favorite throw but very hard to execute correctly. just got the hang of it before the lockdown. my key takeaway was to first do the back step to the side THEN do the stab in with the foot and hips to allow the 'pulling forward' motion instead of block it unto you like harai/hane/uchimata or other hip throws. then when you stab in, the motion/momentum carries over to when you do rotate the arms for the throw. it's opposite to the plant the stance first then throw i usually see. the stab-in motion is a useful mechanic. our coach follows the kodokan style 50/50 without the calf-to-shin touch and knees slightly pointing down as safety for the tori does put weight on your legs so if it collapses then the knee is not an awkward angle.
I've been under the impression that a lunging stance with feet pointed perpendicular rather than parallel to uke's feet was safer for the knee than a horseback riding stance. The rationale being that if uke fell onto the leg they would fall onto the back of a bent knee, moving it in the intended direction, not ideal but more favorable than falling onto the side of the knee as would be the case in a horseback riding stance.
Is this a misconception?
Is there still significant risk to the leg in a lunging stance?
Alex D You are correct the Kodokan position is feet pointed perpendicular with a slight bend in the knee this is a hand throw
i agree man, the knee has to be slightly bent and the hip has to be internally rotated so the knee is protected. But this is a biomechanical point of view, i Don't know if the judo's point of view is the same (technically speaking)
I always do Taio with my tripping leg knee pointing slightly in on the inside, on the balls of my feet. I never do Taio with my leg straight. Blew my patella out like that when I did it the first time and boy did that hurt. Always have a slight bend and taiotoshi is pretty much a body drop where the opponent takes a step forward and trips over your leg causing the fall to happen.
my coach always tells me to throw it with the knee facing downwards the way you describe, and ive personally only ever done it that way so im also wondering. i think ill keep throwing the way i have been though
That works for me too, I have flexible legs but I learnt it the hard way to not step with flat feet in Tai Otoshi.
Could you also show some Cross Collar attack including Tai Otoshi?
Really appreciate your invaluable information 🙏
Thank you! Just an opinion. Your introductions and material are great, but would be nice if you sum it up with a thoughtful conclusion.
i did it on randori last Week but with the kumi kata of o goshi.. my right hand was in the back of my opponent, my forearm in his left armpit. Great variation i think! Whatever, thank you sir from Belgium!!
Awesome instruction and detail
And then you hit him with that HUGE TURN THROW
This is a good depth in Tai Otoshi, I can imagine the Uchikomi.
I always used to perform tai otoshi correctly and get the opponent injured.
Just a year ago before COVID-19 outbreak started, I broke my right ankle while trying to take down my major school bully.. Even though I won, I still suffer from my ankle. No one probably messes with me now.
Jesus fuck, the cringe I just ingested into my body while reading this
6:26 this tai otoshi and the previous blew my mind
Everytime I fight someone opposite side I always do taio. I never do right vs right taio idk why just not enough leverage
I'm 17 years old. I started training judo recently and I mostly learn from your videos and use that in training. Is it possible for me to win a medal in a smaller competition in a few months? Sorry for bad English
Badass. I will try this and fail, but better than no try. Thank you.
Good video, thank you bro
You the best of judo 🥋
Awesome lesson. Thank you.
Very good!! What do you think about drop tai otoshi? Or korean tai?
Hi Mariano, Isa here responding for Shintaro while we're all social distancing. Drop taio can be very effective but you should always learn regular taio first. As an example, drop techniques are usually banned below brown belt during randori in our dojo! As for Korean taio, it's a great technique. Especially as an attack immediately off of a one handed grip.
Also - where can one buy your merch?
Whats your thought on that matter. Like your video your the best online
Another technique for preventing injury to the blocking leg is to point the toes and knee straight down (rotate another 90 degrees from straight forward) instead of pointing the knee directly forward.
3 weeks ago I broke the acl of my right knee doing a tai otoshi, I didn't break tori's balance and now I suffer the consequences....
tai Otoshi is one of the first technique to learn, but most people tend to rely on the legs trip (very wrong) instead of pulling vigorously with the arms.
Get well soon
I know the story. It happened to me 7 years ago same way. I didn't break tori's balance and snap everyone heard it. It took 2 surgeries to make it right. 42 at that time 49 now and back at it.😁
I dont have the same as you but it hurt when the opponent still on his feet. Prefer Harai or Uchimata.
Heal up. 🤙
Could you do Tani o Toshi guide and variations ?
Thankyou, for the instruction.
thank you sensei!!
Please can you explain the meaning of in depth as a general principle
can it be : depending on tsukuri more than kuzushi ?
Woo happy o find this channel! Thank you! Oss
Muy bueno profesor
I usually get low as possible on the base for for this move , and move up as I’m throwing in the angle.
Anybody read the cannon of judo. Cool book that i acquired. Really helps to understand judo more
Is George a Dothraki?
My feet should be parallel to tori's feet or in an angle?
Hi George, Isa here responding for Shintaro while we're all social distancing. You should aim to have your feet parallel. For the leg that's going across your partner's body, think calf-to-shin.
Which feels more natural to most Judokas - Tai Otoshi or Ashi Guruma?
Hi Leon, Isa here responding for Shintaro while we're all social distancing. Generally tai o toshi is a more fundamental judo throw. Ashi guruma is mostly seen in a right vs left scenario where-as taio is a little more versatile.
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George Mayer is the one who looks like Edinson Cavani. Which one are you?
@@tomwalker389 oh George! You can follow me on IG at isa100kg
I know nothing of the belt system in Judo, but is that a white belt he’s wearing? Please note, I’m also color blind.
I'm German and there the redwhite belt in judo means 6th dan up. Only the First five you get are black.
Was practising this yesterday, this can't be a coïncidence.
Any tip for uki otoshi and sumi otoshi?
My takedowns & throws are garbage so bear with me, my question is, can a throw be made effectively without sticking the knee out? The comments below of broken knees is making me cringe. Is there a technique to use more of a hip toss rather then tripping where knee is vulnerable?
Yes, you can opt for Ogoshi or koshi guruma where the leg isn't exposed. For that reason, I dont like taio as well.
@@Shigashi84 Exactly the throw everyone uses on me! Thank you for the clarification! Great channel and subscribed.
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In the element of surprise i do this toshi with just bring the body attacker to my body and placement his weight on my back and throw but a little emphasize on the block that the way I spar with this move.for element of surprise
I’ve actually been doing it wrong… i like to atick my elbow in like a morote and it worked but then doing morote still worked😂
I don’t get how “heel toe on the same line”?
When doing a Tai Otoshi, you must pull your opponent/partner's dress and the foldable part of your knee should be on your opponent/partner's knee and it should be folded a little bit, the Hip should not be touching your partner or else the throw would be difficult to perform. You need to do a Uchi Komi but your right leg should be infront and a little outside of your opponent/partner's left leg and your left leg should go a bit far so that your hid does not come infront of your partner. The more down you go, the more easier it will be to throw him/her/them. When throwing, remember to straighten your leg fully from it being folded a little bit and when you do, you need to pull your partner and thats how you do it. This is the safest way possible and if you want a very good demonstration then watch the video cause it will show and include some of them
it looks so easy when you do it, tai otoshi is bit hard to get it right...
great explanation, the dummy partner looks like the actor in Shameless..
Always looks cool but don't think it's worth the risk of knee injury
I didn't know Aquaman knew Judo.
Who keeps breathing into the mic? It's distracting.
I'm guessing they are just using the camera's built in mic which picks up the cameraman's breathing. They should maybe look into some sort of shotgun mic. I'm far from an expert in this area, maybe someone with more knowledge can give some definitive advice.
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Tai O Sploshi as my kids would say! 😷😷😂
the other dude is jacked
Whoever recording. Can hear them making sounds and breathing. Really distracting.
The add for 15 minutes for a 7 mins vid shoud have an ippon for sure...
...but not really...lol
Why koreans are so strong at Tai Otoshi ? probably even beter than japanese
Hi, Isa here responding for Shintaro while we're all social distancing. That's an interesting question. It's possible that Won hee lee popularized taio in Korea. Koreans also have a very specific style of gripping that is more conducive to taoi!