So to recap 3 different methods for dealing with stiff arm judoka: 1. Pull forward to break kizushi, then attack 2. Switch to bow and arrow grip, then attack bad side 3. Double lapel, force opponent to bend elbows, then get sleeve grip and attack Hope I got this right!
Meeting of the minds, love this guys. As I started getting older, I have transitioned into BJJ and mainly during covid BJJ are the only schools open at this point... but I miss Judo dearly. Seeing these two greats together fusing their knowledge is fantastic.
Coming from a BJJ background, I got so much [deserved] crap for stiff-arming when i trained judo! Judo became a lot more fun when I loosened up and committed to throws even though i got thrown a lot more.
2nd class of judo in my life and i randorid with a black belt all night. let me tell you ive fallen about 1500 times in 6 months probably not good for me but i have a blast everytime im there.
Awesome! I love Judo throws, but the only people that are willing to start from standing are higher belts with crazy strong stiff arms. I got pretty decent with yoko tomoe nage, but I think these different strategies will help a LOT! Thank you!
Next video idea: Shintaro reacts/reviews some of his old videos (specifically the instructionals) and talk about how he would teach them differently now!
Only just started Judo...white belt. But yep this is a question you want to know. My club has a lot of other white belts who are tense and stiff as hell in randori
I find de ashi works well with the stiff arm because they are so focused on stopping u turning in. I move a combo of backwards and sideways to make them take a couple of usually heavy steps because they are so stiff and when the time is just right sweep the lead foot and boom ipon 💪
I was taught to use the opponent’s force against them so they almost throw themselves rather than fight against them, after all judo was designed to give the smaller weaker person an advantage
The thing to remember about standing randori is that even novices are blue belts in standing. all of our instincts protect us from falling in a way that in newaza or ground fighting people have no prepared instincts for stopping someone take your back. stiff arm is also instinctive and so it can be surprisingly hard to throw a strong novice. not least because you dont want to be too rough. these are good techniques and as a self defence method, the skill of dominating balance and grip is more important than say having a good maki or drop knee.
I was a shodan and in my black belt test I threw another black belt candidate opponent who weighted 40 pounds heavier than me. I was only 16 years old and 118 pounds while he was around 22. Instead of letting him grab my lapel easily and fought to position him for a Ippon Seonage. As he grabbed my lapel, I pulled his other arm ( left) and trapped it under his right arm as I moved into my throw which was perfectly performed for an “ ippon.” I don’t know why people say you have problems with no gi situations. I have no need to use clothing for leverage. As those who really train under the Japanese, we have very strong grips and body strength; and if an opponent moves to attack us, the rest is easy. Welcome to the floor! ( most experienced judo fighters move slowly so as to never lose their weight distribution when fighting. They only become vulnerable except when they themselves go in to attack.)
I love the channel! I always get meaningful insight that I can really apply. One of the arts I practice is aikido and we incorporate a fair amount of jujitsu and judo throws. Incidentally- I noticed a change in your belt. Reason? 😎
His partner in the video is a BJJ black belt. I believe that he wears his black belt when practicing BJJ and his coral belt (red / white) when practicing Judo. I'm not sure I'm correct, but I had the same question and this is the answer that came to mind.
I have 4 years of judo and 2 years for wrestling. I’m now training for BJJ and what he is explaining in the beginning is very true. I have such a upper hand with when it comes to the standing game. Most moves I do are very basic but knowing the technique to them helps alot. I was able to take down my sensei and a brown belt last week with no problems with a simple leg sweep and hip toss.
Great video! I train 4 days a week. But I train for the street, as I work in security. I see lots of straight arm (jigity) and I find it hard t deal with. We do train for it, but I'm not finding much success so I will be trying these techniques tomorrow. Thank you again!
@@eggsiclefishstick5569 this channel is a great judoka channel why do they have to collaborate? Not every mix is a good mix. Hard2hurt has his plus . Shintaro has his keep it at that
The more I watch these titorials the more I think judo and bjj shouldn't have broken up in two. They both are all about grappling albeit in a standing stance or par terre and they both need very talkative dudes to put all the explanations through 😂❤
I’d Just step back and pull down so he gets a shift for a false drop but I’m not sure if would work for you - don’t really know your situation, but I hope I helped
@@augerbrownjr8327 you gave a good answer. If you want someone to do something while grappling (also when striking, i guess) you need to fake something. You can also try to push them down if you sre close enough, so they will try to get up with all their strenght to counter push you upwards, this is when you stop pushing, take a quick step back and go into your throw of choice.
Well in competitions (at least in France) if you stay stiff armed you'll earn shido's like crazy and may end up just being disqualified. But there's a few techniques, I liked to do sode against that by grabbing both sleeves with a ouchi/ kouchi reaction to break the distance
I liked the vid, it's lenght, the situation adressed, the number of options offered, the techniques and effectiveness of the solutions and the simple explanations. What I really love is that Brazilian Jiu Jitsu has a lightning fast way to beat the stiff arm: as you initiate what we call "mão de vaca" the experienced fighter will immediately change the stiff arm. If it is not an experienced fighter that doesn't know what's going on he will be finished in the next seconds.
Great video! What do you think about this counter? ruclips.net/video/WTBzORASqm4/видео.html It has worked exceptionally well in BJJ. This is an older video and we have polished it up a lot since then🤙
It really depends. If they have you with their other hand in certain ways, you will not able to do such, and even if they are not controlling you with their other hand there's also the problem of trying to pull them off balance first, which can be hard. But yes, yes you might be able to do it even if they are (weakly) controlling you with their other hand, i have only done it against inexperienced grapplers tho, so i do not recomend it against a decent one.
IJF also forbids passivity, i.e. stiff arming; the problem that is described in the beginning is directed to BJJ practitioners trying to throw against a stiff arm
@@sebastianbauer4721 yes but your doing in a judo situation !! Not good for lower grades and juniors to see these ilegal moves ,chance of loosing matches and tournaments, to irresponsible!!
@@nickkokotaylo406 he is addressing a problem (stiff arm) that BJJ practitioners face and which is illegal under IJF rules anyway (at least for longer than some secs); he is giving solutions which are perfectly fine under BJJ rules; and "lower ranks" that compete under IJF rules will way more likely be shido'ed their way home for stiff arming than for breaking a grip with two hands (the moment they try they are very likely to be thrown, cf. ruclips.net/video/LlIYoRXfRwg/видео.html)
Actually I dont think breaking grips is allowed in judo any more. Any makikomi throw works great against stiff arms and so does several other throws, the trick is not breaking the grip but understanding that it only prevents a direct entry and immediate foot sweeps. Try rotating around the stiff arm and you will notice that it is quite easy to develop attacks that rotate into your opponent if you do not try to move their arm.
Do you have some more examples for that? In the video, sasae was shown. You mentioned soto/hane makikomi, which somehow works as well, but I have the feeling that you are still a bit far away for that. So how do you set up these throws?
You go pick a fight with Shintaro Higashi on a sidewalk or parking lot and let me know how it goes. Ever get piledriven on your head or had a proficient judoka throw you on your spine with all his weight coming down? He's being gentle in this video.
@@Spiritof_76 He would lose his life. I actually have combat experience unlike him. Further more I trained at the dojo. Now I have actually split someones head open and I have beat homicide cases. Formally I followed my father and grandfather into warfare later and became a PSS-QRF in Camp Banzai Iraq in 2007 and then FOB Salerno in 2009. You can't imagine the laughing I did when I saw this comment.
@@Qunyc1985 Trained at the dojo, what dojo? Split a head open with bare hands or what? You went on trial for homicide where? You and your dad and grandfather (formally?) went into a battle together where? How big are you? I can imagine you laughed, because I don't think you have faced an athletic well-trained judoka in a bare-handed altercation. Did your combat experience include bare hand fighting or shooting or knifing someone? I have a friend who worked for Blackwater in the time frame you mentioned, so I'm not clueless about the job or its requirements. Your easy dismissal of high level judo is what I refute. Give Higashi a call and see if you can arrange this fistfight. I'm sure many of us would pay to watch the video. Oh, yeah, you'd eye gouge and bite and kick his balls... just make sure you stipulate what's going to be allowed beforehand.
@@Spiritof_76 i mean, his point still stands. If someone were to stiff-arm you in a street fight, you could strike him and then throw him. You do not need the information provided on this video for a real fight, it's for a grappling match and that's it, also one with a gi lol
Are YOU popular with the gay community? Seems like you care too much. Go give it a try and see how gay you feel after being repeatedly thrown on your back. Then arm barred. Then collar choked. Make sure to first tell all the black belts what you think about judo. Or go straight to Shintaro Higashi and tell him your opinion.
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Whenever I was in randori, stiff arm situation always happened. This clip's quite helpful
This is likely the single most important/helpful situational instructional for non-Judo-experienced BJJ competitors.
So to recap 3 different methods for dealing with stiff arm judoka:
1. Pull forward to break kizushi, then attack
2. Switch to bow and arrow grip, then attack bad side
3. Double lapel, force opponent to bend elbows, then get sleeve grip and attack
Hope I got this right!
You dropped a gem with the two-on-one grip break leaving you open to being re-gripped. You just blew my mind. Thank you!
Meeting of the minds, love this guys. As I started getting older, I have transitioned into BJJ and mainly during covid BJJ are the only schools open at this point... but I miss Judo dearly. Seeing these two greats together fusing their knowledge is fantastic.
Now we can definitely get rid of those annoying stiff arms!!! Thank you
You have some of the best judo videos on RUclips. Thanks much, we train your techniques in my basement mat room. Stay safe.
Coming from a BJJ background, I got so much [deserved] crap for stiff-arming when i trained judo!
Judo became a lot more fun when I loosened up and committed to throws even though i got thrown a lot more.
2nd class of judo in my life and i randorid with a black belt all night. let me tell you ive fallen about 1500 times in 6 months
probably not good for me but i have a blast everytime im there.
@@GladRichGirl welcome to judo
I'm so stiff.. looking forward for loosening up
Be supple and relaxed...flow
@@GladRichGirl part of the fun 😁
This is kind of thing that you can only know from experience. I love this videos.
Great video thanks guys! love the dynamic Judo principles.
Love watching these judo techniques. As a BJJ hobbyist, the different approaches are cool to try and use on the mat.
Awesome! I love Judo throws, but the only people that are willing to start from standing are higher belts with crazy strong stiff arms. I got pretty decent with yoko tomoe nage, but I think these different strategies will help a LOT! Thank you!
I keep coming to this video every 6 months, and I love it because every time makes more sense to me.
Next video idea: Shintaro reacts/reviews some of his old videos (specifically the instructionals) and talk about how he would teach them differently now!
Thanks!
That tip against the two-on-one grip is gold. I'm going to abuse the heck out of that trick.
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Not suggest
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Counter force
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Shoulder roll
Thanks sensei. Liked the kumikata part and the RvL entry to tai-o.
Love your stuff on Grappler's Guide.
Great instruction coach. Really appreciate this video.
Thank you Shintaro.
Back in the day or in the street waki gatami or another arm lock etc may be an option. But no more in tournament judo. Your very good thank you!
Why is this not the first video of every judo channel
Great tips, thank you sensei!
Thank you for such great videos!!!
You put out such awesome videos keep up the great work.
You forgot to link his channel
ruclips.net/channel/UCHDPspEXGaVTwxHL11Tsygw
Awesome. I dont even grapple but have been in this situation. Very clear explanations.
You got a new subscriber on 2022 greetings sensei
also for same side inside control you can go for ude gaeshi when they stiff arm. its one of my fav setups if they always try to get my lapell
I would love an instructional on grip fighting for judo and bjj!
"Break, Break!" Hahaha, the struggles. Always great explanations. Osu!
You are the best.
Thanks this was really useful
Dude this is awesome. Thx
You are very helpful
Awesome, this is something really useful. What about a stiff hand on the neck or on the back of a taller uke?
Only just started Judo...white belt. But yep this is a question you want to know. My club has a lot of other white belts who are tense and stiff as hell in randori
Love your vids man you're a really gifted teacher
I find de ashi works well with the stiff arm because they are so focused on stopping u turning in.
I move a combo of backwards and sideways to make them take a couple of usually heavy steps because they are so stiff and when the time is just right sweep the lead foot and boom ipon 💪
I was taught to use the opponent’s force against them so they almost throw themselves rather than fight against them, after all judo was designed to give the smaller weaker person an advantage
You should try film a randori of you with him trying to stiff arm you
The thing to remember about standing randori is that even novices are blue belts in standing. all of our instincts protect us from falling in a way that in newaza or ground fighting people have no prepared instincts for stopping someone take your back. stiff arm is also instinctive and so it can be surprisingly hard to throw a strong novice. not least because you dont want to be too rough. these are good techniques and as a self defence method, the skill of dominating balance and grip is more important than say having a good maki or drop knee.
I was a shodan and in my black belt test I threw another black belt candidate opponent who weighted 40 pounds heavier than me. I was only 16 years old and 118 pounds while he was around 22. Instead of letting him grab my lapel easily and fought to position him for a Ippon Seonage. As he grabbed my lapel, I pulled his other arm ( left) and trapped it under his right arm as I moved into my throw which was perfectly performed for an “ ippon.” I don’t know why people say you have problems with no gi situations. I have no need to use clothing for leverage. As those who really train under the Japanese, we have very strong grips and body strength; and if an opponent moves to attack us, the rest is easy. Welcome to the floor! ( most experienced judo fighters move slowly so as to never lose their weight distribution when fighting. They only become vulnerable except when they themselves go in to attack.)
Nice tutorial. .tnx
Yaaasssss!
A solution to all my friends who only know 1 throw
Great video
We need a video on how to stop being stiff !!
How about "wait till it goes limb"?
We've all been there.
Nice!!
one thing that occurs to me is that you could easily add thigh/knee to the groin in pretty much all judo techniques if you wanted
I have had success with waki gatame. Its right there, 2 hand sleeve grip and step in 45 degrees.
I love the channel! I always get meaningful insight that I can really apply. One of the arts I practice is aikido and we incorporate a fair amount of jujitsu and judo throws. Incidentally- I noticed a change in your belt. Reason? 😎
His partner in the video is a BJJ black belt. I believe that he wears his black belt when practicing BJJ and his coral belt (red / white) when practicing Judo. I'm not sure I'm correct, but I had the same question and this is the answer that came to mind.
I have 4 years of judo and 2 years for wrestling. I’m now training for BJJ and what he is explaining in the beginning is very true.
I have such a upper hand with when it comes to the standing game. Most moves I do are very basic but knowing the technique to them helps alot.
I was able to take down my sensei and a brown belt last week with no problems with a simple leg sweep and hip toss.
I always pull a stiff arm to me, more strength in pulling when hands are closer to your body
can you do an Ippon seoi nage with that siff arm?
What's the difference between the Black belt and the coral/red and white belt you wear in videos?
When you get to the 6th Dan in Judo you can wear the red and white coral. Some people still like to wear their old black belts though.
Anyone know the name of the throw he attempts at 4:16? Sasae something?
sasae tsurikomi ashi (or hiza guruma, which is quite similar)
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Now I need a month to drill all of this
I like to do sode tsurikomi goshi when I get stiff armed. Sometimes I do a duck under and then do it immediately so I don’t get penalized.
Great video! I train 4 days a week. But I train for the street, as I work in security. I see lots of straight arm (jigity) and I find it hard t deal with. We do train for it, but I'm not finding much success so I will be trying these techniques tomorrow. Thank you again!
Shintaro sensei, you should do a collab with hard2hurt
No
@@jayzee5855 why not?
@@eggsiclefishstick5569 this channel is a great judoka channel why do they have to collaborate? Not every mix is a good mix. Hard2hurt has his plus . Shintaro has his keep it at that
I concur.
hard2hurt would roast the shit outta him and i dont wanna see that
How about hitting the bicep/bicep tendon???
The more I watch these titorials the more I think judo and bjj shouldn't have broken up in two. They both are all about grappling albeit in a standing stance or par terre and they both need very talkative dudes to put all the explanations through 😂❤
Judo still uses bjj, it's just with bjj you're not guaranteed you'll practice judo or not at your gym
Whenever someone stiff arms you just turn slightly sideways and over grip them. Reach your arm over theirs get the lapel and pull them down...
How do you deal with the grapple who gets so low you can't throw him?
I’d Just step back and pull down so he gets a shift for a false drop but I’m not sure if would work for you - don’t really know your situation, but I hope I helped
@@augerbrownjr8327 you gave a good answer. If you want someone to do something while grappling (also when striking, i guess) you need to fake something. You can also try to push them down if you sre close enough, so they will try to get up with all their strenght to counter push you upwards, this is when you stop pushing, take a quick step back and go into your throw of choice.
Is it legal to bend their elbow like that when trying to break the stuff arm?
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Are you still in nyc brother?
Pls show me something to escape from two stiff arm
What about tomoe nage?
I thought stiff arming is not allowed ? Well at least when you do it exessively (negative Judo) ?
Yes but remember that this was asked by a BJJ person
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I do BJJ and get this alot, thank you
No weight classes?
If you cut off their stiff arms, you don't have to worry about countering them
Excellent. I hate that stiff arm and butt out bent over nonsense. You can shido out for that now
Looks like you’re almost set up for a kaiten nage at the 4 minute mark
And what about the double stiff arm??
Well in competitions (at least in France) if you stay stiff armed you'll earn shido's like crazy and may end up just being disqualified. But there's a few techniques, I liked to do sode against that by grabbing both sleeves with a ouchi/ kouchi reaction to break the distance
Funny I suffer with a stiff arm and when I saw three ways to beat stiff arm, I didn't know they was going to be talking about jitsu.
I liked the vid, it's lenght, the situation adressed, the number of options offered, the techniques and effectiveness of the solutions and the simple explanations. What I really love is that Brazilian Jiu Jitsu has a lightning fast way to beat the stiff arm: as you initiate what we call "mão de vaca" the experienced fighter will immediately change the stiff arm. If it is not an experienced fighter that doesn't know what's going on he will be finished in the next seconds.
Great video! What do you think about this counter? ruclips.net/video/WTBzORASqm4/видео.html
It has worked exceptionally well in BJJ. This is an older video and we have polished it up a lot since then🤙
Pardon my inexperience but, couldn't a stiff arm be easily turned into a seoi-nage if you pull your opponent off balance first?
It really depends. If they have you with their other hand in certain ways, you will not able to do such, and even if they are not controlling you with their other hand there's also the problem of trying to pull them off balance first, which can be hard. But yes, yes you might be able to do it even if they are (weakly) controlling you with their other hand, i have only done it against inexperienced grapplers tho, so i do not recomend it against a decent one.
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Slick Glick.
"Jiujitsu people standing from the feet".... Mmm that does happen.
Nah, that's unheard of. They probably dreamed about it.
Just remember.
There is no ippon in Bjj.
Once it’s on the ground it keeps going.
Just one point YOU CANT BRAKE THE GRIP OR HIT THE ARM WITH TWO HANDS ON THE OPPONENTS ARM IN ANY GRIPPING SITUATION !! IJF RULE !😤🥋
IJF also forbids passivity, i.e. stiff arming; the problem that is described in the beginning is directed to BJJ practitioners trying to throw against a stiff arm
@@sebastianbauer4721 yes but your doing in a judo situation !! Not good for lower grades and juniors to see these ilegal moves ,chance of loosing matches and tournaments, to irresponsible!!
@@nickkokotaylo406 he is addressing a problem (stiff arm) that BJJ practitioners face and which is illegal under IJF rules anyway (at least for longer than some secs); he is giving solutions which are perfectly fine under BJJ rules; and "lower ranks" that compete under IJF rules will way more likely be shido'ed their way home for stiff arming than for breaking a grip with two hands (the moment they try they are very likely to be thrown, cf. ruclips.net/video/LlIYoRXfRwg/видео.html)
@@sebastianbauer4721 exactly
7min
Like trying to swot a very stubbern mosquito 🤣
You need to add keywords to your video name. Add: bjj , judo, beat, versus, how to. you will get more hits
Nikkyo
Great gripping tricks. I still love my two arm grip breaking though...too bad they nerfed my generation in Judo.
Actually I dont think breaking grips is allowed in judo any more. Any makikomi throw works great against stiff arms and so does several other throws, the trick is not breaking the grip but understanding that it only prevents a direct entry and immediate foot sweeps. Try rotating around the stiff arm and you will notice that it is quite easy to develop attacks that rotate into your opponent if you do not try to move their arm.
Do you have some more examples for that? In the video, sasae was shown. You mentioned soto/hane makikomi, which somehow works as well, but I have the feeling that you are still a bit far away for that. So how do you set up these throws?
I love these videos that focus on the sport of Judo...because that is all it is. You will lose your life trying anything else with this.
You go pick a fight with Shintaro Higashi on a sidewalk or parking lot and let me know how it goes. Ever get piledriven on your head or had a proficient judoka throw you on your spine with all his weight coming down? He's being gentle in this video.
@@Spiritof_76 He would lose his life. I actually have combat experience unlike him. Further more I trained at the dojo. Now I have actually split someones head open and I have beat homicide cases. Formally I followed my father and grandfather into warfare later and became a PSS-QRF in Camp Banzai Iraq in 2007 and then FOB Salerno in 2009. You can't imagine the laughing I did when I saw this comment.
@@Qunyc1985 Trained at the dojo, what dojo? Split a head open with bare hands or what? You went on trial for homicide where? You and your dad and grandfather (formally?) went into a battle together where? How big are you? I can imagine you laughed, because I don't think you have faced an athletic well-trained judoka in a bare-handed altercation. Did your combat experience include bare hand fighting or shooting or knifing someone? I have a friend who worked for Blackwater in the time frame you mentioned, so I'm not clueless about the job or its requirements. Your easy dismissal of high level judo is what I refute. Give Higashi a call and see if you can arrange this fistfight. I'm sure many of us would pay to watch the video. Oh, yeah, you'd eye gouge and bite and kick his balls... just make sure you stipulate what's going to be allowed beforehand.
@@Qunyc1985 lmao nice comeback
@@Spiritof_76 i mean, his point still stands. If someone were to stiff-arm you in a street fight, you could strike him and then throw him. You do not need the information provided on this video for a real fight, it's for a grappling match and that's it, also one with a gi lol
Stiff arm is one of the disgusting thing during fight.
Most annoying BJJ behavior
Jestem gejem
Is Judo popular with the gay community? Who woulda known?
Are YOU popular with the gay community? Seems like you care too much. Go give it a try and see how gay you feel after being repeatedly thrown on your back. Then arm barred. Then collar choked. Make sure to first tell all the black belts what you think about judo. Or go straight to Shintaro Higashi and tell him your opinion.
Great video.