The time travel in this was very much a Prisoner of Azkaban moment. On the current timeline, Kamala was always meant to time travel because her going back and saving her grandma protects everything else that happens in the timeline. Not time traveling at all would have actually created a branched timeline
Building on this, I think what makes the time travel different is that it was instigated from 1947 calling out to the future - it doesn't branch because it didn't go a different way first. Previously we've had the future invading the past, which creates a new timeline.
Something I love about this show is how Kamala’s Ms. Marvel persona is created. Her mask comes from Bruno Her costume and logo from her mother Her name “Ms. Marvel” came from her father
I was a skeptic at first but the first two episodes were some of the most artistic and stylized of any Marvel show. The actress playing Kamala is exceedingly likeable and I enjoyed the family dynamics. The cultural aspect also breathed something fresh into the franchise. That said I wish they would have stayed focused on the core group of characters instead of introducing so many new ones one after the other just to disappear or die right away. The villains sucked. Still one if the better shows
Crazy to think this is her FIRST acting job. She was great, I hope she has a good future in acting. Her chemistry with her friends and family was adorable
I thought she was over the top, which was perfect. This show had so much more heart than most of the Marvel Disney+ shows. I was pouring happy-tears when her and her dad had that heart-to-heart in the last episode. This show was so positive and every character (other than bad guys obv) were so wholesome. This show was so much more interesting than the concept would seem on paper, which is a nice shift from the previous shows which seemed to be working backwards from extremely interesting premises.
Yeah the middle three (3-4-5) were not good and made worse that it was such an easy fix. Have the Clandestines turn her away from her family because THEY understand her and support her like her real family doesn't in that moment. Then you have them nicey nice her and take her to Kirachi to open their portal home. Meet the Red Daggers who undermine their link and expose the Clan as being the baddies. Much more natural progression than whatever the hell happened here. That said all the episodes in New Jersey (?), Or America or whatever are all enjoyable and fun.
I loved it so much more than I thought I would initially but kind of fell apart during the episodes in Karachi for me. Felt like they were cramming too much in and removing the underwhelming villains and the whole Veil plot point before the final episode felt a little deflating
I really like what they did with her powers. The stretchy powers have never looked great on screen. The fact that they managed to keep some elements of her comic powers, but also come up with an interesting new look, I think worked really well. Clandestine were pretty weak as villains. Fair enough their motivations were pretty cliche, I could live with that if they were just a bit more well rounded and believable as characters. The fact that they've been trying to get their hands on the bracelet for decades, and then they're like "you've got 48 hours to hand it over", it's like woah, chill out a bit. Play the long game, get Kamala's trust a bit - what's the rush? And then they reveal that they did the exact same thing to her great grandmother, so they don't even learn from their mistakes. I think, instead of having the Clandestines and Damage Control as two threats, given the six episode run time, they should have had Damage Control be the main threat. Have the Clandestines helping her out, win her over, then at a critical point they betray her and she barely escapes, and set them up as villains for the future. As it was, we had two threats and not enough time devoted to the members of either to make us care or establish any real stakes.
@@b2thec Its very vague and nonsensical when you think about it unless they say theres some kind of trigger that activates a mutant gene and for her, it was whatever technology in that bangle which was used to create it which my running theory is the Space Stone (Tesseract), which then would make sense because Mar'Vell was using the Space Stone energy to create a light speed ship to transport Skrull refugees to a safe haven from the Kree without having to use the Kree/Nova Corps heaxagon shaped Warp gates (because if you use those, the Kree and anyone else can track you). And years earlier wa know Hydra was using the Space Stone to creeate weapns and when Red Skull touiched it himself he got yeeted to the planet Vorimir and he would have starved and died there had it not been for the Soul Stone somehow reforming his body compiisition to that of some ghost like being permentaly jobbed to be its presentor or whatever. And as we know, Captain Marvel got her powers from Space Stone energy + Kree science. And so then this might explain why Kamala and Carol swapped places all of a sudden. Perhaps Carol was investigating Kree tech trying to find out whats the deal with that 10 Rings pulsating message, and maybe she got a hold of the other bangle and boom the signals got connected, warping her and Kamala to switch places. Moreover, we know the Space Stone is one of the 6 Infinity Stomes; the remnants of a dead Celestial, and that Tiamat is also a Celestial who was incubating inside Earth. So perhaps Mutants are a 'host' of Tiamat. They are his children in sort of a way;; his atoms are their atoms aka X-Men Children of the Atom. So the bangle, which is comprised of Infinity Stone energy, which particularly is the Space Stone, known for interdimensional and speed travel, triggered Kamala's mutant gene because she is linked like the other Mutants on Earth, to Tiamat the Celestial, by way of evolution, and perhaps Thanos destroying the Infinity Stones, also might have sent off a cosmic ripple of energy that may have also awoken more dormant mutan genes in people over time. Because we saw the Mutant Ursa Majors (the huge Russian prisoner who lost to arm wrestling Red Guardian in Black Widow movie) but he didnt have his mutant powers of transforming into a giant grizzly bear person, so maybe his mutant genes were not triggered yet since Black Widow is a prequel movie before Infinity War/Endgame. Though perhaps there are also other older Mutants that found their trigger in other ways like say Wolverine or Apocalypse, Magneto or Prof X. Perhaps they all came into contact with an Infinity Stone sometime in history; remember the Mind Stone was also in Sokovia with Wanda and Pietro and the Sanctum Sanctorium and the Anciet Ones had access to the Time Stone for years.
I think clandestine was adapted perfectly from the comics because they were the most forgettable group that everyone forgot about immediately and they are definately the most forgettable group in the mcu
Having known Bree Larson from Scott Pilgrim and United States of Tara, I always felt like Marvel never used her comedy skills properly. They cast her off winning the Oscar for Room, but for me, her charm has always been from doing more comedic characters.
I really hope they lean into that, because bar some castings in Eternals, she's pretty much the only actor who I feel doesn't own the character they portray. Her first movie wasn't horrible, not even bad at all, but I just didn't care about Captain Marvel at all. Probably because she was brainwashed to be a boring soldier type, but her appearance in Endgame didn't do anything for me either.
@@spartanB0292 Agreed. Captain Marvel is just too powerful to the point that she suffers from Superman syndrome. She has ALL the powers and is written as infallible, and she’s always Captain marvel. That’s boring, and not very marvel to me.
@@jacobmcmillan6787 which is funny, get an tiny actress with a comedy background in your movie, and have her be a humorless baddass and give the few comedy bits to Sam Jackson and Ben Mendelssohn!
What I’m interested to see from The Marvels movie is the interaction between Kamala and Monica. Kamala idolizes Captain Marvel, where as a child Monica idolized Carol Danvers. It would be interesting to see that dynamic and how they contrast.
Especially since Monica seems to almost resent or dislike Captain Marvel now. Will one influence the other in terms of how to view Captain Marvel? Will they get along?
I hope they don't make Spiderman Homecoming a la Ms Marvel, where Captain Marvel is Tony, Monica is Happy and Kamala is Spiderman, whose identity is a magic mystery
I know it's much more complicated than that, but the way you put it makes it sound like it'll be two hours of Monica and Kamala going on about how cool and great Carol Marbles is.
It’s actually VERY common in South Asia for women to have their “go-to-tailors” where you provide the design and they will make it for you. Hence her costume is better made than the early hulk one, and also why it is still a one-off, because Muneeba would have provided the design herself.
Yup got it made in Pakistan. It would be dope to see a scene in a future movie where the tailor sees it on the TV/youtube and is like "OMG THAT'S MY SUIT I MADE THAT SUIT!!!!"
The shows are too short, but they don't need to be longer. They just need to tell story's that work well in this shorter format. They should have just dropped elements of the plot to focus on the key pieces.
I think the Obi Wan series made something click in my head that most of the shows could easily be movies, but Ms Marvel seems like the first time since Loki that a series has benefitted from the format of a tv series
They could have dropped some of the middle episodes and made this a pretty good movie. Or they could have given her her costume and name at the end of epsiode 2 and make the rest an actual Ms Marvel show about her being a superhero in New Jersey
The best thing about Ms Marvel’s costume is that it’s made from things given to her that are connected to her family, friends, and community. Wahleed gives her the blue material, Kareem gives her the red scarf, the lightning bolt is based on her broken necklace (which was her name in Arabic), and her mother gave it to her. And her father gives her the superhero name, which is based on her actual name’s meaning. It was beautiful.
The first episode really did so much for the visual style of the show and then the rest of it felt like it just kinda abandoned that. It wasn’t a detriment to the show necessarily, just strange that they’d go so heavy with it at the beginning and then forget about it. Also, I know there are reasons to be annoyed about the mutant thing, but also my excitement that the X-Men ‘97 theme is the official X-Men theme for the MCU makes me so happy that I can’t really be annoyed.
Naaahh man, because they still do the animated chalk thing in the finale. The loss of style as the show went on was just due to the different directors switching things up and then needing a generic punchy punchy MCU finale for the last episode.
@@igotin9264 That’s probably also the case but it still thematically fits. The plan where she uses the chalk wasn’t a fantasy. It’s actually how it played out.
Mr. Sunday Movies are the best superhero youtube channel at off-the-cuff riffing to fill time. Feels natural and better than just Easter egg after Easter egg lists
In reference to who made her costume, Her mother got it made at their Tailor, she mentioned just before it to Aamir when they were downstairs that she had to bargain to get the price she wanted on the clothes she got for him
@@imaginefun13 the scenes were joined together & the suit was boxed up like it came directly from the tailor. It is possible she made it herself, but it's more likely the Tailor did as they have Kamala's exact measurements and would be primed to create a suit that fits her form so well
I really loved Kamala's parents in this there's plenty of humour but some really emotional moments too , brave because they could have been slightly side-lined also the chemistry between the red dagger and kamala was one of the shows biggest strengths Kamran was a bit blah imo. DId anyone get a feeling that the Damage Control lady from Orange is the new black MIGHT be a SKRULL! just saying
This was a pretty fun show, nothing ground breaking but it felt something new. The stylizations in the art direction, the characters were great, and the representation was actually really nice. The Partition storyline was a little confusing at times but a really interesting decision to bring a real world event and tie it into an MCU character. It was also a really cool take that there was no major villain of the show, at least for the first half of the season. It was also a nice change of pace that the family is aware that their child is a superhero and are supportive of it. The mutant plot twist was also unexpected.
@@MGsubbie because she chose to do it dum dum. Feminism is about having freedom of that choice. You can choose to be a housewife, for example, but it has to be your choice.
I feel like the BIGGEST thing hurting these shows is the episode count. But I’m beating a dead horse at this point. I noticed the parts I lost interest were when the pacing got really odd. The Pakistan stuff was so much fun but quickly felt shoved in to get more exposition. I need more time to bond with the new characters and really wanted to see more of the partition stuff. B it the finale was solid and hilariously one of the best. It’s a shame so many people are skipping it based on internet shit and weird misinterpretations of the trailers.
I think the show really started failing once they introduced a group of villains into the story (whether it be Damage control or Clandestine). The first two episodes were amazing because they had this slice of life feel to them and it really made the world feel lived in and natural.
As much as I enjoyed the backstory of her great-grandmother, it might have been better if they kept her initial villain from the comics, which was a half parakeet clone of Thomas Edison who was kidnapping teenagers to use them as batteries. The lower stakes would have been more focused and in line with the first 2 episodes and been more appropriate for the first outing of a street level hero. Plus with Disney's resources they could have used some of those Star Wars creature artists to make a practical bird man. That would have been cool to see.
The time travel is probably like in Harry Potter. The moment in time always happened and the actions she carried out always happened, it may seem like she has free will, but its a paradoxical time loop that is self contained, not spilling into other issues, just the basic one of how could the first saving of her nan have happened, especially if she got lost
Even As an Indian, the representation in the series, the authenticity, the south asian references, brown culture and music really gave me feel good vibes of pride and belonging that i never knew that i could get get from a Marvel show. Although the media and politicians paint us as rivals, Indians and Pakistanis basically have their roots in the same soil and people who know this only carry love for one another instead of hate
I feel like they spent JUST enough time on her origins, but crammed a lot into that finale. Definitely could have used one or two more episodes post-origin. BUT! It was a lot of fun, overall. I left Ms. Marvel more bouncy than any prior D+ series, aside from maybe Loki and WandaVision. (Though most of WandaVision has been kind of tarnished retroactively by Multiverse of Madness, but whatchagonnado.)
I do, but it's treading into apples/oranges territory. They're very different. MoM was, admittedly, a victim of my expectations. I enjoyed what it ended up being, on the whole, even if it wasn't quite what I had built up in my head through speculation, especially post-WV. But for me, the real problem is that MoM retroactively made WandaVision lesser. Wanda's psychological terror in WV was nuanced and complicated. She did something horrible, yes, but it made you sympathetic as to WHY she did it. It was deeply emotional. It's why the show, strange as it was, was so successful. MoM picked up from there, and flushed that sympathy down the toilet. She became irredeemably evil. Turning her into a blunt instrument of motherhood gone insane. As others have noted, she COULD have worked with America to find a reality where the kids were left without a mother. (And Vision is completely forgotten in the script.) So yeah, it's made what WandaVision teed up a _little less special_. For me, at least. And oh... oh no... did they name it "Multiverse of Madness" just because it spells "MoM"? Oh god. I'm just getting that. I need a drink.
Perhaps they use Ms Marvel in the MCU like they did w/ Jubilee in the 90's cartoon show or Kitty Pryde like they did in the comics, to introduce Xavier's school and students from the perspective of a new member?
Knowing modern day Marvel they probally would doj something like that since they have no creativity what so ever. Ms Marvel is and always will be a dissaster, and trying to tie her in with the X-Men is going to be Marvels biggest abomination and dissaster ever.
I like that Mason brought up Spider-Man at the beginning. The fight with damage control really reminded me of Rameys Spider-Man movies. That fight reminded me of the bridge scene in Spider-Man one and the end of the train scene in Spider-Man two
‘VFX absolute chore’ One that stuck out to me was when she runs off the roof with her dad watching in the last episode. I realized you could see her stepping away in the reflection of his glasses and I felt bad for whatever team of artists that had to make that look good, while I’m sure 80% of the casual viewer didn’t even notice it at all.
I actually loved how she never got her costume til the end, but she did keep getting little tiny pieces, like the mask, the vest, and the bandana. I'd thought she was assembling it as she went along and each piece was personal, but then I guess her mom just bought a more appropriate one? I can't imagine she made it herself in like 20 minutes before the plane came. Or maybe her nani made it?
I'm pretty positive she made the hulk costumes also on pretty short notice, so it's not a stretch to believe she was also able to make her actual costume.
She did an excellent job, I think casting her as Ms Marvel was on the same level as casting RDJ as Iron Man, the actors are so well picked they are basically being themselves.
i really like how every fan made up insane theories of how mutants will be in the MCU from multiversal collisions but the writers went "eh, they've been here" which is a way better intro than any fan theory tbf
Kamala was such a charming character in this, a geeky fangirling highschooler who didn't come off as annoying or overly cringe (at least to me), which would have been so, SOOO easy to accidentally do. I think Iman was super charismatic and cute, a little over the top but in a way that's totally fitting of the character, she did great. I think I care about Kamala's future in the MCU more than I care about most everyone else's at the moment, even though I never read the Ms. Marvel comics and we're just meeting her, and the mid-end of the show got really messy. I certainly care about her more than I care about anything Dr. Strange is doing.
So does the Noor give her powers? It seems that way but then why did she need the Bangle at the beginning. Then does the Bangle unlock her powers? It can't be that either cause Kamran got his at random from his mom staring at the sky and dying. What does her being a mutant have to do with anything???? Is she gonna get 2 sets of powers if her X gene is activated?? Loved the character and most of the series but everything that had to do with her powers was a big fumble for me
Well, her shape shifting power is pretty different, so maybe that’s her X-Gene ability, with Noor Magic as her other. Similar to Wanda or Majik, or even Wolverine- they have an X- gene powerset, with additional sorcery- or In Wolverine’s case, Adamantium Bones that are effectively a power of their own.
Interesting that the actor who played Bruno was up for Spider-Man, because partway through the series I found myself thinking “he’d have made for a good Disney+ Peter Parker if he wasn’t already established.”
This is easily the best Marvel product this year and one of the better ones of the pandemic era for sure. This cast is just so enjoyable to watch and the plot, while stumbling a little like every MCU product, feels so much stronger than certain thundering dumbasses running around these days. I was also nervous about the power change but I think the finale actually worked very well for me, I was surprised!
The villains and alternate dimension aspect of this show always gave me the feeling the writers didn’t have a clear idea of what they were going for. I loved Kamala and her friends and the high school/family scenes in the first 2-3 episodes were really good but the bangle plot felt like a half-thought-out rough draft.
I mostly enjoyed the show and was pleased that they stuck the landing. Sadly it feels that this show hs a similar issue to lots of D+ shows so far where you could just remove most of episode 4 and 5 and make this a well paced movie. We don’t need any of the red dagger or clandestine sub plots. Kamran could have just shown up with similar powers to Kamala They will likely make most of the NuHumans into mutants in the MCU, just keeping the royal family as actual inhumans. The big push in the 2010s for inhumans was a reaction to marvel not having the film rights to mutants
I dislike they way they do it as much as everyone else. They do this though because these are meant to be an origin story to set them up for future projects. That’s my guess at least
Overall I enjoyed the series, even though It had some pacing issues and maybe had one too many sub-plots. That Mutant reveal fell a little flat to me though, mostly because her origin in the show was already too overly complicated. (she has genie genes + an alien bracelet activated her powers + she has the X-Gene)
Hey guys, the "closed loop" time travel remark gave me an idea. What if Kamala's time travel saved her grandmother for another timeline. Rather than being a closed loop, it's a self-replicating loop. A different Kamala had done the same in the past, creating our Kamala's timeline, and our Kamala created a new timeline that generates another Ms. Marvel...where that Kamala rinses and repeats, ad infinitum. So by the time The Marvels comes around, we could have and endless supply of Ms. Marvels.
The only mcu things I didn't watch. Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel. So to hear there was a cameo from Captain Marvel brings joy to my heart ❤️ (Technically didn't finish agents of shield or Inhumans but I saw enough)
The Ms. Marvel time travel is different cause it involves the bangle and the powers of the Noor and there is an inciting incident in the past that brings Kamala there (Aisha essentially summons Kamala to 1947 when she says "What you seek is seeking you.") which is why the time travel in Ms. Marvel is a closed loop and not an alternate timeline situation like in Endgame, where there is no inciting incident and the Quantum Realm is used.
Collings always does good work, but he's surpassed himself here. Great editing. I like the subtle joke style. You guys have always got the best editors
As someone with no familiarity with Kamala Ms. Marvel I originally had no intention of watching the show. But I'm glad I gave it a chance! The art direction is creative, the visuals are stunning, the cast is charming, the musical score is amazing, and I personally was introduced to a part of world history and culture I wasn't familiar with. It's unfortunate alot of people are not giving it a chance because having a brown, Muslim, female teenage hero is "woke leftist trash". It's ok to not like a show, but at least watch it first.
Agreed. I actually don't like the show, it wasn't for me, but I think the culture, visuals, and characters are charming and great. I just don't like teen highschool stories I think. Hey I'm glad I saw it though, and I would love to see these characters in more interesting plots.
I thought Iman Vellani was so charming and terrific, a really great new addition to the MCU. The main cast they introduced were all great and fun and they made all of them a joy to watch, and I thought the way they incorporated Pakistani culture and aesthetics worked pretty well overall (its a little thing, but I actually really enjoyed they exchange between the sheik and Damage Control in Ep 6, where he gives a quote about not needing anyone on his side, just knowing that he's on God's side, and they brush it off as "some Quaranic quote", and then he flips it on them by revealing it was an Abe Lincoln quote. Again, just a little thing, but as someone who pays a lot of attention to writing, I thought it was really well done.) Plus, as a life-long New Jerseyan, I love to see me some good Jersey representation. It is very funny to me that we have reached an era where big budget Disney/Marvel superhero properties are actually putting the 90s X-Men musical sting in, like its catnip for everyone who ever even thought "what if Wolverine met Hulk?" Edit: Also, I very much agree that the biggest problem with the new crop of MCU shows is that they are too short. From the best to the worst, they've all, in my opinion, needed at least one or two more episodes to really get their story together. It really showed in the Clandestine, which I had a feeling were going to be villains as soon as they were introduced, but boy did they speed-run right through a pretty cliched narrative and character beats. The portrayal of Kamala, her friends and her family sold it for me, but there was just not much there when it came to the villains. Still excited to see where they take the whole thing next.
My real problema with the series its the whole noor dimension and the clandestine, cuz it seems to me it was a one time thing and made the world building of MCU more complicated for no reason, if you are gonna made her a mutan at the end well the do that dont make her a extradimensional being insted of an inhuman like in the comics (cuz mcu sure have a big case of inhumanofobia), even tho they really should have made her a kree decendent of something more captain marvel related
This isn't a new type of time travel. Endgame explained it very poorly, but it was explained in Endgame, Loki, and Agents of SHIELD that when you travel to the past, you don't automatically create a new timeline. You do actually travel back to the past of your own timeline. But if you make any changes while in the past, that creates a branch in time, creating a new timeline, so that you can never change the future you came from. But if you fulfill the events of the past instead of change them, your time traveling to the past won't change anything; you'll just have always been there.
Fun fact: the lead DC guy is also in No Way Home when they arrest SpiderMan. In NWH he says “Fury has been off world for a year”…now in this he’s hunting supers? How would he know Fury was off world if he wasn’t a Skrull? The woman who disobeys his orders in this is likely a bad Skrull. This clearly is leading into Secret Wars. Spoiler for Ms Marvel The agents discuss how dangerous kids with powers are because they can’t control it. If Kamala is in fact a mutant as suggested by the theme song it’s entirely possible that Xavier’s School for Gifted Students will fill that role of teaching kids to control their powers. Also Kamala could still be Inhuman as it’s described in AOS that it’s similar to mutants except the gene is activated when they come in contact with a specific material, like the bengel, that triggers terragenisis.
There was an article that said exactly that because Ike Perlmutter was pushing Inhumans and didn't want to promote a property they didn't own he was scaling back both X-men and Fantastic Four comics. I remember that happening at the time and though I didn't read comics I thought it was incredibly stupid since arguably the movies would get people to buy comics, not the other way round. But I'm not Ike "all black people look the same" Perlmutter so what do I know. Anyway, the co-creator of the comic said the original idea was to make Kamala a mutant but they couldn't because of stupid decisions made by an idiot (that's an editorial addition, they didn't actually say that) and were told to make her an Inhuman. This is actually a great example of how the movies can differentiate themselves from the comics and it puts the original author intent back in place. It's a win-win. Except for anyone who is under the misapprehension that comics need to be recreated perfectly for live action even though that has never and will never happen for the most part. Or anyone who is obsessed with how things have been done in previous versions and that's how they should stay forever. I know one RUclips content creator who will for sure complain that they changed Kamala from Inhuman to mutant because she's obsessed with Quake from Agents of Shield. You know who I'm talking about if you've seen her videos.
Isn’t it weird how important Rick Jones was to the Marvel comics, hung out out with the Avengers, was a part of Hulk’s origin, was Bucky for a bit, and was also basically Marvel Captain Marvel’s Billy Batson, but he hasn’t been in any of the movies?
Late to the party but I finally finished the series and I though it was very very mixed, and definitely less than the sum of its parts. I liked the casting which felt was on point, and I liked the exploration of Kamala's family history as well as the immigrant journey her family had to make. I liked the high school setting in the first two episodes. Unfortunately after the 2nd episode things really took a downward dive. Characters are introduced and never fully fleshed out, motivations seemingly shift at the drop of a hat, conflicts arise that could have been solved if the people spent 1 minute to properly talk, and everything just seemed really rushed. The side characters apart from Bruno never get any real development. Nakia and Zoe seem to have several episodes worth of content just cut from the series. Kamal's mom instantaneously switches from being over protective and over bearing in episode 1, to being okay with allowing her daughter to go to an unsupervised house party. It felt like her mother growing to be more understanding was meant to be running arc over the course of the show, but it seemingly happened overnight. The entire Clan Destine story line could have been cut with minimal impact on the overall story, and I think their inclusion should have been saved for season 2. What little purpose they serve is just to give a vague and undefined explanation for Kamala's power which never gets any deeper than "powers come from another dimension" which in turn makes the additional revelation about being a mutant feel even more unearned. The addition of yet another world ending threat felt unnecessary in a show that should have focused on family and acceptance. Did I hate the time I spent watching this show? No, it was enjoyable enough. But at this point Disney can't afford to continue pumping out mediocrity with their biggest properties. Their premier content that ties into the big MCU films shouldn't have the same writing quality as CW teen dramas. Still, I think the cast is great and I look forward to seeing them shine in better shows or films down the road.
I saw it as, time travel differs based on what your using to time travel, the quantum realm will lead you to a variant timeline while the bracelet leads to your main timeline
this usually isn't my kind of show, but I somehow loved it every now and then, I found myself thinking "my sister would love this series" but I also simultaneously really enjoyed watching it
I recall the lampshade-hanging/joke Ryan North did about it with Squirrel Girl, during the era when Disney didn't have TV/movie rights to "mutants" and were trying to downplay them: Squirrel Girl gets examined by a doctor who solemnly announces that she is "physically *and legally* distinct from being a mutant, and I can never take this back."
The Noor dimension could be stepping in for the Negative Zone to be honest. We may see this scene from Captain Marvel's perspective during the Marvels, where she's in the Noor dimension for whatever reason and accidentally makes something happen which causes Kamala's bangle to go crazy and swap each other. I also think we'll see Kamala retrieve the second bangle during the Marvels movie, making her even more powerful. I also also think that the ten rings will be of similar descent to the bangle. Those soul suckers from Shang Chi could very well be the Noor dimension
I really liked this series. I never really read any Ms. Marvel comics, so the power change doesn't bother me, and even though I love the Inhumans, her being Mutant doesn't bother me either, in fact, I think I like it better
I'm so glad this stuck the landing because it had some really delightful elements and it's fun to hear people be excited about this series and about seeing more of Kamala and the other characters.
I was very pleasently suprised by this, the characters were great, the show was super colorful and the story was fun. Didn't expect this but it was very fun. And I hope we get more and more of Ms. Marvel. What i really liked as well was being exposed and sort of introduced to different cultures than mine. Overall feels like a breath of fresh air.
I didn't think I was going to like it. I was not at all paying attention to the release like I was with something like Loki etc. I just figured Ms Marvel, even as a comic character wasn't necessarily aimed at me, and thats fine. But I had some time and had it on in the background, and I actually think its quite decent. There is some nice visual flair to it. It feels quite different to a lot of marvel stuff, which honestly, at phase 4 is worth quite a lot. Its a little bit wobbly at parts, but its got some genuine heart and I actually learned something from it, which I can't say of a lot of TV these days, much less superhero stuff. I'll admit I had no idea about India's history with Pakistan or how that country came about or the religions involved etc. I don't really love the glowing crystal power addition to her but I'm still working through if thats just my knee-jerk nerd reaction to things not being like I'm used to in the comics or if I can come up with some actual reasons for that. I'm a huge X-men fan, I never really cared about the inhumans, I don't care if they are not getting used in the MCU as a label. It was a little bit of a strange place to find a mutant X gene reference, but I'll take any scraps I can get. Overall, pretty good.
I really enjoyed the show, despite its many flaws. I looked forward to each next episode. I also feel like the flaws would have been negated by more episodes that gave the story lines and character arcs more time to develop, or by streamlining the story to fit nicely in the allotted episodes. So much of the character growth just felt rushed, like her mom being super critical and protective of Kamala and displeased with her mother until a two day trip to Pakistan where she did some light chores and uncharacteristically allowed her daughter to roam freely through an unfamiliar city. Then she was very excited and supportive of her daughter becoming a superhero fighting a bunch of guys with automatic firearms while not wearing any body armor. Very rushed and inauthentic character growth, but generally a very fun show.
I feel like the Meta principal of Kamal’s character especially for the origin of her powers is always adapt to the greater needs of marvel. In the comic they were pushing in humans and diversity so kamal was born but now in the mcu they’re pushing cosmic forces and now apparently mutants.
I love your channel. I dont know where Ive been bu I havent watch you crazy two for a couple month. I dont know why. But I look forward in catching up on your content. I loved the history lesson in ms marvel. Very well filmed.
i think they added the action just to please casual fans but i honestly like the characters way more than all that. i just liked seeing them talk about stuff and discover things about her powers. very well done
I would just like to say that the new Carol Danvers suit is a massive improvement over all the previous Danvers suits. And that this show also rocks and I LIKED it.
This is one of the best and most hated Marvel series. The blind vitriol for this series is really something else. I'm not saying its racism but it is. Thank you,this has been my review of Ms Marvel.
If they really wanted the Inhumans so badly, they should have just kept going with all the stuff Agents of SHIELD set up. I mean yeah it was clunky and weird, but it was a decent foundation to build on and it was better than what Ike Peanutbutter threw at us.
The time travel will always raise questions when they keep using it as a device but the only "logical" explanation is that the first 3 phases were pre determined and once Loki killed he who remains then all the rules can be broken.
My thought on the time travel is how it originated. You can't go back and change your own past, and have it affect your present. But she didn't go back in time so much as get yanked there. There. The time travel was initiated in the past. She wasn't going back and changing anything, she was just participating in Aisha's present, in something that had always happened. So Endgame rules really don't apply.
I enjoyed this show way more than I thought I would. I loved the insight into Pakistani culture, absolutely loved all the characters, and loved the actor's portrayals of them!
I love having a place in RUclips where people love the show, the internet is full of hate now, also dimensions and universes are treated differently in the MCU
This could have been a coming of age story with a trip to Pakistan. But the clandestine, time travel, & DOD was too cramped. Plus in trying to rewrite her powers, they did the Same-Powers-Different-Colors trope. This was supposed to hype us up for a stronger Captain Marvel story
mr sunday movies? more like mr i love this guy he’s great and makes my work days better
and Mason :D
...gottem
Concur.
Same
Ha! Got him! Got him Good!
Showing Wanda walking when they talk about going for a wander is ingenious, the editing in these is always appreciated, thanks Collings!
I read this just as it was playing in the video
Jumped straight to the comments after seeing that. Absolutely brilliant editing.
Even when they said “it’s locked” and then a shot of jake lockley appeared
I was gonna say the same thing too. Wandering Wanda Wandaring about Wondering.
You’re only allowed to praise Ben didn’t you know?
The time travel in this was very much a Prisoner of Azkaban moment. On the current timeline, Kamala was always meant to time travel because her going back and saving her grandma protects everything else that happens in the timeline. Not time traveling at all would have actually created a branched timeline
Yeah, it was a pretty simple closed loop. Which is good, since time-travel wasn't a major concept for the rest of the show.
Building on this, I think what makes the time travel different is that it was instigated from 1947 calling out to the future - it doesn't branch because it didn't go a different way first.
Previously we've had the future invading the past, which creates a new timeline.
@@stephencleary562 good point!
A bit like Lost aswell. Whatever happened happened. My favourite kind of time travel
Literally thought exactly the same thing!! The "it was me" like Harry on the lake saving himself and Sirius!
Something I love about this show is how Kamala’s Ms. Marvel persona is created.
Her mask comes from Bruno
Her costume and logo from her mother
Her name “Ms. Marvel” came from her father
And the scarf comes from the Red Dagger!!
Also the bracelet from her grandmother.
I love that her name was meaningful to her and not just some captain marvel fangirl
Ms. Marvel's such a wholesome hero
Please, we don’t talk about Bruno….s mask
I was a skeptic at first but the first two episodes were some of the most artistic and stylized of any Marvel show. The actress playing Kamala is exceedingly likeable and I enjoyed the family dynamics. The cultural aspect also breathed something fresh into the franchise.
That said I wish they would have stayed focused on the core group of characters instead of introducing so many new ones one after the other just to disappear or die right away. The villains sucked. Still one if the better shows
Crazy to think this is her FIRST acting job. She was great, I hope she has a good future in acting. Her chemistry with her friends and family was adorable
I thought she was over the top, which was perfect. This show had so much more heart than most of the Marvel Disney+ shows. I was pouring happy-tears when her and her dad had that heart-to-heart in the last episode. This show was so positive and every character (other than bad guys obv) were so wholesome.
This show was so much more interesting than the concept would seem on paper, which is a nice shift from the previous shows which seemed to be working backwards from extremely interesting premises.
1. Wandavision
2. Moon Knight
3. Loki
4. What if ?
5. Falcon & Winter soldier
6. Ms marvel
7. Hawkeye
Yeah the middle three (3-4-5) were not good and made worse that it was such an easy fix. Have the Clandestines turn her away from her family because THEY understand her and support her like her real family doesn't in that moment. Then you have them nicey nice her and take her to Kirachi to open their portal home. Meet the Red Daggers who undermine their link and expose the Clan as being the baddies. Much more natural progression than whatever the hell happened here.
That said all the episodes in New Jersey (?), Or America or whatever are all enjoyable and fun.
I loved it so much more than I thought I would initially but kind of fell apart during the episodes in Karachi for me. Felt like they were cramming too much in and removing the underwhelming villains and the whole Veil plot point before the final episode felt a little deflating
I really like what they did with her powers. The stretchy powers have never looked great on screen. The fact that they managed to keep some elements of her comic powers, but also come up with an interesting new look, I think worked really well.
Clandestine were pretty weak as villains. Fair enough their motivations were pretty cliche, I could live with that if they were just a bit more well rounded and believable as characters. The fact that they've been trying to get their hands on the bracelet for decades, and then they're like "you've got 48 hours to hand it over", it's like woah, chill out a bit. Play the long game, get Kamala's trust a bit - what's the rush? And then they reveal that they did the exact same thing to her great grandmother, so they don't even learn from their mistakes.
I think, instead of having the Clandestines and Damage Control as two threats, given the six episode run time, they should have had Damage Control be the main threat. Have the Clandestines helping her out, win her over, then at a critical point they betray her and she barely escapes, and set them up as villains for the future. As it was, we had two threats and not enough time devoted to the members of either to make us care or establish any real stakes.
All they did was steal Quasar's Negabands
@@budgiecat9039
Quantum bands.
@@freman007 yeah its easy to get the two mixed up the names and circumstances are similar
I'm just curious what he actual mutant powers are though. The ability to wear the bangle?
@@b2thec Its very vague and nonsensical when you think about it unless they say theres some kind of trigger that activates a mutant gene and for her, it was whatever technology in that bangle which was used to create it which my running theory is the Space Stone (Tesseract), which then would make sense because Mar'Vell was using the Space Stone energy to create a light speed ship to transport Skrull refugees to a safe haven from the Kree without having to use the Kree/Nova Corps heaxagon shaped Warp gates (because if you use those, the Kree and anyone else can track you).
And years earlier wa know Hydra was using the Space Stone to creeate weapns and when Red Skull touiched it himself he got yeeted to the planet Vorimir and he would have starved and died there had it not been for the Soul Stone somehow reforming his body compiisition to that of some ghost like being permentaly jobbed to be its presentor or whatever.
And as we know, Captain Marvel got her powers from Space Stone energy + Kree science.
And so then this might explain why Kamala and Carol swapped places all of a sudden.
Perhaps Carol was investigating Kree tech trying to find out whats the deal with that 10 Rings pulsating message, and maybe she got a hold of the other bangle and boom the signals got connected, warping her and Kamala to switch places.
Moreover, we know the Space Stone is one of the 6 Infinity Stomes; the remnants of a dead Celestial, and that Tiamat is also a Celestial who was incubating inside Earth.
So perhaps Mutants are a 'host' of Tiamat. They are his children in sort of a way;; his atoms are their atoms aka X-Men Children of the Atom.
So the bangle, which is comprised of Infinity Stone energy, which particularly is the Space Stone, known for interdimensional and speed travel, triggered Kamala's mutant gene because she is linked like the other Mutants on Earth, to Tiamat the Celestial, by way of evolution, and perhaps Thanos destroying the Infinity Stones, also might have sent off a cosmic ripple of energy that may have also awoken more dormant mutan genes in people over time.
Because we saw the Mutant Ursa Majors (the huge Russian prisoner who lost to arm wrestling Red Guardian in Black Widow movie) but he didnt have his mutant powers of transforming into a giant grizzly bear person, so maybe his mutant genes were not triggered yet since Black Widow is a prequel movie before Infinity War/Endgame.
Though perhaps there are also other older Mutants that found their trigger in other ways like say Wolverine or Apocalypse, Magneto or Prof X. Perhaps they all came into contact with an Infinity Stone sometime in history; remember the Mind Stone was also in Sokovia with Wanda and Pietro and the Sanctum Sanctorium and the Anciet Ones had access to the Time Stone for years.
I think clandestine was adapted perfectly from the comics because they were the most forgettable group that everyone forgot about immediately and they are definately the most forgettable group in the mcu
Who?
@@spartanB0292 exactly
There was a more forgettable marvel comic group I was going to say and disagree with you, but I can't remember the name.
@@R0B1NG5 Inhumans?
@@raziel7148 wait, did you mean....mutants?
life and global circumstances have me so emotionally fragile that every time i hear that little classic x-men theme i start crying immediately
Having known Bree Larson from Scott Pilgrim and United States of Tara, I always felt like Marvel never used her comedy skills properly. They cast her off winning the Oscar for Room, but for me, her charm has always been from doing more comedic characters.
I really hope they lean into that, because bar some castings in Eternals, she's pretty much the only actor who I feel doesn't own the character they portray. Her first movie wasn't horrible, not even bad at all, but I just didn't care about Captain Marvel at all. Probably because she was brainwashed to be a boring soldier type, but her appearance in Endgame didn't do anything for me either.
@@spartanB0292 nailed it. Hoping The Marvels can correct that.
@@spartanB0292 Agreed. Captain Marvel is just too powerful to the point that she suffers from Superman syndrome. She has ALL the powers and is written as infallible, and she’s always Captain marvel. That’s boring, and not very marvel to me.
She’s so much better at comedy than being a “bad ass”
@@jacobmcmillan6787 which is funny, get an tiny actress with a comedy background in your movie, and have her be a humorless baddass and give the few comedy bits to Sam Jackson and Ben Mendelssohn!
What I’m interested to see from The Marvels movie is the interaction between Kamala and Monica. Kamala idolizes Captain Marvel, where as a child Monica idolized Carol Danvers. It would be interesting to see that dynamic and how they contrast.
Especially since Monica seems to almost resent or dislike Captain Marvel now. Will one influence the other in terms of how to view Captain Marvel? Will they get along?
I hope they don't make Spiderman Homecoming a la Ms Marvel, where Captain Marvel is Tony, Monica is Happy and Kamala is Spiderman, whose identity is a magic mystery
I know it's much more complicated than that, but the way you put it makes it sound like it'll be two hours of Monica and Kamala going on about how cool and great Carol Marbles is.
Meh
It’s actually VERY common in South Asia for women to have their “go-to-tailors” where you provide the design and they will make it for you. Hence her costume is better made than the early hulk one, and also why it is still a one-off, because Muneeba would have provided the design herself.
She has suit guy, I see
Yeah she literally mentions that she went to the tailor in the scene before when Kamala tries to reveal her identity
Yup got it made in Pakistan. It would be dope to see a scene in a future movie where the tailor sees it on the TV/youtube and is like "OMG THAT'S MY SUIT I MADE THAT SUIT!!!!"
"What if I put the wrong thing in a red circle?!"
Still reeling from that big purple laser, I see.
The shows are too short, but they don't need to be longer. They just need to tell story's that work well in this shorter format. They should have just dropped elements of the plot to focus on the key pieces.
I think the Obi Wan series made something click in my head that most of the shows could easily be movies, but Ms Marvel seems like the first time since Loki that a series has benefitted from the format of a tv series
They could have dropped some of the middle episodes and made this a pretty good movie. Or they could have given her her costume and name at the end of epsiode 2 and make the rest an actual Ms Marvel show about her being a superhero in New Jersey
I would like to believe until shown otherwise that the blue arm with the bracelet was Will Smith’s genie. I mean, they did say they were from Djinns.
The best thing about Ms Marvel’s costume is that it’s made from things given to her that are connected to her family, friends, and community. Wahleed gives her the blue material, Kareem gives her the red scarf, the lightning bolt is based on her broken necklace (which was her name in Arabic), and her mother gave it to her. And her father gives her the superhero name, which is based on her actual name’s meaning. It was beautiful.
The first episode really did so much for the visual style of the show and then the rest of it felt like it just kinda abandoned that. It wasn’t a detriment to the show necessarily, just strange that they’d go so heavy with it at the beginning and then forget about it.
Also, I know there are reasons to be annoyed about the mutant thing, but also my excitement that the X-Men ‘97 theme is the official X-Men theme for the MCU makes me so happy that I can’t really be annoyed.
1st episode was def the best one stylistically. They kinda abandon the style later on.
I actually think it thematically fits. As Kamala’s situation gets more real she needs to stop fantasizing as much.
Naaahh man, because they still do the animated chalk thing in the finale. The loss of style as the show went on was just due to the different directors switching things up and then needing a generic punchy punchy MCU finale for the last episode.
@@igotin9264 That’s probably also the case but it still thematically fits. The plan where she uses the chalk wasn’t a fantasy. It’s actually how it played out.
time and budget, you could also see the effects of those in the writing as the show carried on, the episodes got worse
Mr. Sunday Movies are the best superhero youtube channel at off-the-cuff riffing to fill time. Feels natural and better than just Easter egg after Easter egg lists
In reference to who made her costume, Her mother got it made at their Tailor, she mentioned just before it to Aamir when they were downstairs that she had to bargain to get the price she wanted on the clothes she got for him
Did she mention the outfit itself or just the cloth?
@@imaginefun13 the scenes were joined together & the suit was boxed up like it came directly from the tailor. It is possible she made it herself, but it's more likely the Tailor did as they have Kamala's exact measurements and would be primed to create a suit that fits her form so well
I really loved Kamala's parents in this there's plenty of humour but some really emotional moments too , brave because they could have been slightly side-lined also the chemistry between the red dagger and kamala was one of the shows biggest strengths Kamran was a bit blah imo. DId anyone get a feeling that the Damage Control lady from Orange is the new black MIGHT be a SKRULL! just saying
This was a pretty fun show, nothing ground breaking but it felt something new. The stylizations in the art direction, the characters were great, and the representation was actually really nice. The Partition storyline was a little confusing at times but a really interesting decision to bring a real world event and tie it into an MCU character. It was also a really cool take that there was no major villain of the show, at least for the first half of the season. It was also a nice change of pace that the family is aware that their child is a superhero and are supportive of it. The mutant plot twist was also unexpected.
kinda groundbreaking bc of the end credit scene lol
@@antipop1717 not really we've seen her before lmao
I did LOL at the girl who chose to put on a hijab talking about women's suffrage and equality.
@@MGsubbie because she chose to do it dum dum. Feminism is about having freedom of that choice. You can choose to be a housewife, for example, but it has to be your choice.
I feel like the BIGGEST thing hurting these shows is the episode count. But I’m beating a dead horse at this point.
I noticed the parts I lost interest were when the pacing got really odd. The Pakistan stuff was so much fun but quickly felt shoved in to get more exposition. I need more time to bond with the new characters and really wanted to see more of the partition stuff. B it the finale was solid and hilariously one of the best. It’s a shame so many people are skipping it based on internet shit and weird misinterpretations of the trailers.
I think the show really started failing once they introduced a group of villains into the story (whether it be Damage control or Clandestine). The first two episodes were amazing because they had this slice of life feel to them and it really made the world feel lived in and natural.
Yep agreed. The villains were so weak
As much as I enjoyed the backstory of her great-grandmother, it might have been better if they kept her initial villain from the comics, which was a half parakeet clone of Thomas Edison who was kidnapping teenagers to use them as batteries. The lower stakes would have been more focused and in line with the first 2 episodes and been more appropriate for the first outing of a street level hero.
Plus with Disney's resources they could have used some of those Star Wars creature artists to make a practical bird man. That would have been cool to see.
I’d say the villains were the weakest part of the show but it was still a great show.
@@ferhog7705 agreed. I hope they do a season 2 and have Edison
@@ferhog7705 "a half parakeet clone of Thomas Edison who was kidnapping teenagers to use them as batteries" you... you made that up, right?
The time travel is probably like in Harry Potter. The moment in time always happened and the actions she carried out always happened, it may seem like she has free will, but its a paradoxical time loop that is self contained, not spilling into other issues, just the basic one of how could the first saving of her nan have happened, especially if she got lost
Even As an Indian, the representation in the series, the authenticity, the south asian references, brown culture and music really gave me feel good vibes of pride and belonging that i never knew that i could get get from a Marvel show. Although the media and politicians paint us as rivals, Indians and Pakistanis basically have their roots in the same soil and people who know this only carry love for one another instead of hate
I feel like they spent JUST enough time on her origins, but crammed a lot into that finale. Definitely could have used one or two more episodes post-origin.
BUT! It was a lot of fun, overall. I left Ms. Marvel more bouncy than any prior D+ series, aside from maybe Loki and WandaVision. (Though most of WandaVision has been kind of tarnished retroactively by Multiverse of Madness, but whatchagonnado.)
I do, but it's treading into apples/oranges territory. They're very different. MoM was, admittedly, a victim of my expectations. I enjoyed what it ended up being, on the whole, even if it wasn't quite what I had built up in my head through speculation, especially post-WV.
But for me, the real problem is that MoM retroactively made WandaVision lesser. Wanda's psychological terror in WV was nuanced and complicated. She did something horrible, yes, but it made you sympathetic as to WHY she did it. It was deeply emotional. It's why the show, strange as it was, was so successful.
MoM picked up from there, and flushed that sympathy down the toilet. She became irredeemably evil. Turning her into a blunt instrument of motherhood gone insane. As others have noted, she COULD have worked with America to find a reality where the kids were left without a mother. (And Vision is completely forgotten in the script.)
So yeah, it's made what WandaVision teed up a _little less special_. For me, at least.
And oh... oh no... did they name it "Multiverse of Madness" just because it spells "MoM"?
Oh god. I'm just getting that.
I need a drink.
It would be funny if the one and only Marvel DC crossover was having a Shazam cameo in The Marvels
Perhaps they use Ms Marvel in the MCU like they did w/ Jubilee in the 90's cartoon show or Kitty Pryde like they did in the comics, to introduce Xavier's school and students from the perspective of a new member?
Knowing modern day Marvel they probally would doj something like that since they have no creativity what so ever. Ms Marvel is and always will be a dissaster, and trying to tie her in with the X-Men is going to be Marvels biggest abomination and dissaster ever.
I like that Mason brought up Spider-Man at the beginning. The fight with damage control really reminded me of Rameys Spider-Man movies. That fight reminded me of the bridge scene in Spider-Man one and the end of the train scene in Spider-Man two
‘VFX absolute chore’
One that stuck out to me was when she runs off the roof with her dad watching in the last episode. I realized you could see her stepping away in the reflection of his glasses and I felt bad for whatever team of artists that had to make that look good, while I’m sure 80% of the casual viewer didn’t even notice it at all.
Easily one of my favorite marvel shows so far. Great characters, heart and charm. The cultural representation was also a real treat
I really liked this show. Just a good, wholesome, non-cynical, classic origin story for a charismatic character who actually deserves the powers
I actually loved how she never got her costume til the end, but she did keep getting little tiny pieces, like the mask, the vest, and the bandana. I'd thought she was assembling it as she went along and each piece was personal, but then I guess her mom just bought a more appropriate one? I can't imagine she made it herself in like 20 minutes before the plane came. Or maybe her nani made it?
I'm pretty positive she made the hulk costumes also on pretty short notice, so it's not a stretch to believe she was also able to make her actual costume.
She did an excellent job, I think casting her as Ms Marvel was on the same level as casting RDJ as Iron Man, the actors are so well picked they are basically being themselves.
i really like how every fan made up insane theories of how mutants will be in the MCU from multiversal collisions but the writers went "eh, they've been here"
which is a way better intro than any fan theory tbf
lazily written and tacked on at the end as an afterthought
That’s basically the X-Men Evolution route. Mutants were always living in secret and one day they’re all exposed
Kamala was such a charming character in this, a geeky fangirling highschooler who didn't come off as annoying or overly cringe (at least to me), which would have been so, SOOO easy to accidentally do. I think Iman was super charismatic and cute, a little over the top but in a way that's totally fitting of the character, she did great.
I think I care about Kamala's future in the MCU more than I care about most everyone else's at the moment, even though I never read the Ms. Marvel comics and we're just meeting her, and the mid-end of the show got really messy. I certainly care about her more than I care about anything Dr. Strange is doing.
So does the Noor give her powers? It seems that way but then why did she need the Bangle at the beginning. Then does the Bangle unlock her powers? It can't be that either cause Kamran got his at random from his mom staring at the sky and dying. What does her being a mutant have to do with anything???? Is she gonna get 2 sets of powers if her X gene is activated??
Loved the character and most of the series but everything that had to do with her powers was a big fumble for me
Well, her shape shifting power is pretty different, so maybe that’s her X-Gene ability, with Noor Magic as her other. Similar to Wanda or Majik, or even Wolverine- they have an X- gene powerset, with additional sorcery- or In Wolverine’s case, Adamantium Bones that are effectively a power of their own.
You're thinking way too hard about this lmfao.
@@Thee_Deputy You’re not wrong.
Ms. Marvel was refreshing imo, she had a family who actually loves and supports her instead of the typical orphan trope.
Interesting that the actor who played Bruno was up for Spider-Man, because partway through the series I found myself thinking “he’d have made for a good Disney+ Peter Parker if he wasn’t already established.”
I really liked the actor. What coulda been I guess
This is easily the best Marvel product this year and one of the better ones of the pandemic era for sure. This cast is just so enjoyable to watch and the plot, while stumbling a little like every MCU product, feels so much stronger than certain thundering dumbasses running around these days. I was also nervous about the power change but I think the finale actually worked very well for me, I was surprised!
"certain thundering dumbasses" I wonder who you could mean??? lol
@@ThreadBomb Batman in the Multiverse of Sadness was really a letdown, I was trying to be subtle though
The villains and alternate dimension aspect of this show always gave me the feeling the writers didn’t have a clear idea of what they were going for.
I loved Kamala and her friends and the high school/family scenes in the first 2-3 episodes were really good but the bangle plot felt like a half-thought-out rough draft.
I mostly enjoyed the show and was pleased that they stuck the landing. Sadly it feels that this show hs a similar issue to lots of D+ shows so far where you could just remove most of episode 4 and 5 and make this a well paced movie. We don’t need any of the red dagger or clandestine sub plots. Kamran could have just shown up with similar powers to Kamala
They will likely make most of the NuHumans into mutants in the MCU, just keeping the royal family as actual inhumans. The big push in the 2010s for inhumans was a reaction to marvel not having the film rights to mutants
Why does it seem in every Disney+ show the final episode is not only rushed, but is also the episode they debut an iconic costume?
I dislike they way they do it as much as everyone else. They do this though because these are meant to be an origin story to set them up for future projects. That’s my guess at least
@@StillhetMusic You're right. Each Disney+ show is a Heroes journey
I didn't think I was gonna vibe with this show but it's a solid lock in my top 5 MCU entries. So fun, I can't wait for more. Great video dudes!
This video earns its "like" with proper use of "embiggened."
I like Eric July's take on this character: Stretchy McGee.
Overall I enjoyed the series, even though It had some pacing issues and maybe had one too many sub-plots.
That Mutant reveal fell a little flat to me though, mostly because her origin in the show was already too overly complicated. (she has genie genes + an alien bracelet activated her powers + she has the X-Gene)
Terrible reveal
Hey guys, the "closed loop" time travel remark gave me an idea. What if Kamala's time travel saved her grandmother for another timeline. Rather than being a closed loop, it's a self-replicating loop. A different Kamala had done the same in the past, creating our Kamala's timeline, and our Kamala created a new timeline that generates another Ms. Marvel...where that Kamala rinses and repeats, ad infinitum. So by the time The Marvels comes around, we could have and endless supply of Ms. Marvels.
Ms. Marvel could have the x-gene and still be transformed by the inhuman mist in the mangle. So, she could be a mutant inhuman
Doesn't the Terrigen mist kill mutants?
As a being from the future, I can confirm that time travel is locked and James and mason are still trapped in that room.
The only mcu things I didn't watch. Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel. So to hear there was a cameo from Captain Marvel brings joy to my heart ❤️
(Technically didn't finish agents of shield or Inhumans but I saw enough)
The Ms. Marvel time travel is different cause it involves the bangle and the powers of the Noor and there is an inciting incident in the past that brings Kamala there (Aisha essentially summons Kamala to 1947 when she says "What you seek is seeking you.") which is why the time travel in Ms. Marvel is a closed loop and not an alternate timeline situation like in Endgame, where there is no inciting incident and the Quantum Realm is used.
Collings always does good work, but he's surpassed himself here. Great editing. I like the subtle joke style. You guys have always got the best editors
As someone with no familiarity with Kamala Ms. Marvel I originally had no intention of watching the show.
But I'm glad I gave it a chance!
The art direction is creative, the visuals are stunning, the cast is charming, the musical score is amazing, and I personally was introduced to a part of world history and culture I wasn't familiar with.
It's unfortunate alot of people are not giving it a chance because having a brown, Muslim, female teenage hero is "woke leftist trash".
It's ok to not like a show, but at least watch it first.
Agreed. I actually don't like the show, it wasn't for me, but I think the culture, visuals, and characters are charming and great. I just don't like teen highschool stories I think. Hey I'm glad I saw it though, and I would love to see these characters in more interesting plots.
I love the constant Aunty Donna clips. Keep em coming. Just keep, keep throwing them in. I love pud.
I thought Iman Vellani was so charming and terrific, a really great new addition to the MCU. The main cast they introduced were all great and fun and they made all of them a joy to watch, and I thought the way they incorporated Pakistani culture and aesthetics worked pretty well overall (its a little thing, but I actually really enjoyed they exchange between the sheik and Damage Control in Ep 6, where he gives a quote about not needing anyone on his side, just knowing that he's on God's side, and they brush it off as "some Quaranic quote", and then he flips it on them by revealing it was an Abe Lincoln quote. Again, just a little thing, but as someone who pays a lot of attention to writing, I thought it was really well done.) Plus, as a life-long New Jerseyan, I love to see me some good Jersey representation.
It is very funny to me that we have reached an era where big budget Disney/Marvel superhero properties are actually putting the 90s X-Men musical sting in, like its catnip for everyone who ever even thought "what if Wolverine met Hulk?"
Edit: Also, I very much agree that the biggest problem with the new crop of MCU shows is that they are too short. From the best to the worst, they've all, in my opinion, needed at least one or two more episodes to really get their story together. It really showed in the Clandestine, which I had a feeling were going to be villains as soon as they were introduced, but boy did they speed-run right through a pretty cliched narrative and character beats. The portrayal of Kamala, her friends and her family sold it for me, but there was just not much there when it came to the villains. Still excited to see where they take the whole thing next.
My real problema with the series its the whole noor dimension and the clandestine, cuz it seems to me it was a one time thing and made the world building of MCU more complicated for no reason, if you are gonna made her a mutan at the end well the do that dont make her a extradimensional being insted of an inhuman like in the comics (cuz mcu sure have a big case of inhumanofobia), even tho they really should have made her a kree decendent of something more captain marvel related
This isn't a new type of time travel. Endgame explained it very poorly, but it was explained in Endgame, Loki, and Agents of SHIELD that when you travel to the past, you don't automatically create a new timeline. You do actually travel back to the past of your own timeline. But if you make any changes while in the past, that creates a branch in time, creating a new timeline, so that you can never change the future you came from. But if you fulfill the events of the past instead of change them, your time traveling to the past won't change anything; you'll just have always been there.
I think Startroopers are descendants of DODC soldiers/officers...
I think this version of time travel is similar to Jak and Daxter, where they save a version of themselves (or family) and infinitely complete the loop
Fun fact: the lead DC guy is also in No Way Home when they arrest SpiderMan. In NWH he says “Fury has been off world for a year”…now in this he’s hunting supers?
How would he know Fury was off world if he wasn’t a Skrull? The woman who disobeys his orders in this is likely a bad Skrull. This clearly is leading into Secret Wars.
Spoiler for Ms Marvel
The agents discuss how dangerous kids with powers are because they can’t control it. If Kamala is in fact a mutant as suggested by the theme song it’s entirely possible that Xavier’s School for Gifted Students will fill that role of teaching kids to control their powers. Also Kamala could still be Inhuman as it’s described in AOS that it’s similar to mutants except the gene is activated when they come in contact with a specific material, like the bengel, that triggers terragenisis.
7:20 "Wanda the streets" got me laughing!
There was an article that said exactly that because Ike Perlmutter was pushing Inhumans and didn't want to promote a property they didn't own he was scaling back both X-men and Fantastic Four comics. I remember that happening at the time and though I didn't read comics I thought it was incredibly stupid since arguably the movies would get people to buy comics, not the other way round. But I'm not Ike "all black people look the same" Perlmutter so what do I know. Anyway, the co-creator of the comic said the original idea was to make Kamala a mutant but they couldn't because of stupid decisions made by an idiot (that's an editorial addition, they didn't actually say that) and were told to make her an Inhuman. This is actually a great example of how the movies can differentiate themselves from the comics and it puts the original author intent back in place. It's a win-win. Except for anyone who is under the misapprehension that comics need to be recreated perfectly for live action even though that has never and will never happen for the most part. Or anyone who is obsessed with how things have been done in previous versions and that's how they should stay forever. I know one RUclips content creator who will for sure complain that they changed Kamala from Inhuman to mutant because she's obsessed with Quake from Agents of Shield. You know who I'm talking about if you've seen her videos.
This also explains why X-Men weren't in Marvel vs Capcom Infinite which pissed a lot of people off.
The Disney Marvel shows basically feeling 2 part movies. The Netflix Marvel shows felt like actual episodic shows.
Isn’t it weird how important Rick Jones was to the Marvel comics, hung out out with the Avengers, was a part of Hulk’s origin, was Bucky for a bit, and was also basically Marvel Captain Marvel’s Billy Batson, but he hasn’t been in any of the movies?
Late to the party but I finally finished the series and I though it was very very mixed, and definitely less than the sum of its parts.
I liked the casting which felt was on point, and I liked the exploration of Kamala's family history as well as the immigrant journey her family had to make. I liked the high school setting in the first two episodes. Unfortunately after the 2nd episode things really took a downward dive. Characters are introduced and never fully fleshed out, motivations seemingly shift at the drop of a hat, conflicts arise that could have been solved if the people spent 1 minute to properly talk, and everything just seemed really rushed.
The side characters apart from Bruno never get any real development. Nakia and Zoe seem to have several episodes worth of content just cut from the series. Kamal's mom instantaneously switches from being over protective and over bearing in episode 1, to being okay with allowing her daughter to go to an unsupervised house party. It felt like her mother growing to be more understanding was meant to be running arc over the course of the show, but it seemingly happened overnight.
The entire Clan Destine story line could have been cut with minimal impact on the overall story, and I think their inclusion should have been saved for season 2. What little purpose they serve is just to give a vague and undefined explanation for Kamala's power which never gets any deeper than "powers come from another dimension" which in turn makes the additional revelation about being a mutant feel even more unearned. The addition of yet another world ending threat felt unnecessary in a show that should have focused on family and acceptance.
Did I hate the time I spent watching this show? No, it was enjoyable enough. But at this point Disney can't afford to continue pumping out mediocrity with their biggest properties. Their premier content that ties into the big MCU films shouldn't have the same writing quality as CW teen dramas. Still, I think the cast is great and I look forward to seeing them shine in better shows or films down the road.
couldn’t agree more, absolutely great review
I saw it as, time travel differs based on what your using to time travel, the quantum realm will lead you to a variant timeline while the bracelet leads to your main timeline
Underrated show. I enjoyed it, it was fun and full of heart.
Funny because I think it is super overrated
I thought it was really interesting in Ms Marvel how the original title for Star Wars was Blue Harvest.
When Ms Kamala Said it's "Kamalamala time" .. it really send shiver down my spine.. it's the most show ever!
this usually isn't my kind of show, but I somehow loved it
every now and then, I found myself thinking "my sister would love this series" but I also simultaneously really enjoyed watching it
Ike was mentioned but we didn't get the "sinister image of him with D. Trump".... shame.
I recall the lampshade-hanging/joke Ryan North did about it with Squirrel Girl, during the era when Disney didn't have TV/movie rights to "mutants" and were trying to downplay them: Squirrel Girl gets examined by a doctor who solemnly announces that she is "physically *and legally* distinct from being a mutant, and I can never take this back."
The Noor dimension could be stepping in for the Negative Zone to be honest. We may see this scene from Captain Marvel's perspective during the Marvels, where she's in the Noor dimension for whatever reason and accidentally makes something happen which causes Kamala's bangle to go crazy and swap each other.
I also think we'll see Kamala retrieve the second bangle during the Marvels movie, making her even more powerful.
I also also think that the ten rings will be of similar descent to the bangle. Those soul suckers from Shang Chi could very well be the Noor dimension
So was that Captain Marvel at the end or did Ms. Marvel shapeshifted? Based on her reaction, I don't think that was a Carol at all...🤔
I really liked this series. I never really read any Ms. Marvel comics, so the power change doesn't bother me, and even though I love the Inhumans, her being Mutant doesn't bother me either, in fact, I think I like it better
No more Weekly shows? Well it’s been a ride. Appreciate the speed of the great visuals on your shows.
I'm so glad this stuck the landing because it had some really delightful elements and it's fun to hear people be excited about this series and about seeing more of Kamala and the other characters.
I was very pleasently suprised by this, the characters were great, the show was super colorful and the story was fun. Didn't expect this but it was very fun. And I hope we get more and more of Ms. Marvel. What i really liked as well was being exposed and sort of introduced to different cultures than mine. Overall feels like a breath of fresh air.
Carol's outfit looks like a callback to Steve's Infinity War look. Good call on her part ditching the beard, though.
I didn't think I was going to like it. I was not at all paying attention to the release like I was with something like Loki etc. I just figured Ms Marvel, even as a comic character wasn't necessarily aimed at me, and thats fine. But I had some time and had it on in the background, and I actually think its quite decent. There is some nice visual flair to it. It feels quite different to a lot of marvel stuff, which honestly, at phase 4 is worth quite a lot. Its a little bit wobbly at parts, but its got some genuine heart and I actually learned something from it, which I can't say of a lot of TV these days, much less superhero stuff. I'll admit I had no idea about India's history with Pakistan or how that country came about or the religions involved etc. I don't really love the glowing crystal power addition to her but I'm still working through if thats just my knee-jerk nerd reaction to things not being like I'm used to in the comics or if I can come up with some actual reasons for that. I'm a huge X-men fan, I never really cared about the inhumans, I don't care if they are not getting used in the MCU as a label. It was a little bit of a strange place to find a mutant X gene reference, but I'll take any scraps I can get. Overall, pretty good.
I really enjoyed the show, despite its many flaws. I looked forward to each next episode. I also feel like the flaws would have been negated by more episodes that gave the story lines and character arcs more time to develop, or by streamlining the story to fit nicely in the allotted episodes. So much of the character growth just felt rushed, like her mom being super critical and protective of Kamala and displeased with her mother until a two day trip to Pakistan where she did some light chores and uncharacteristically allowed her daughter to roam freely through an unfamiliar city. Then she was very excited and supportive of her daughter becoming a superhero fighting a bunch of guys with automatic firearms while not wearing any body armor. Very rushed and inauthentic character growth, but generally a very fun show.
Perlmutter: *Sobbing*
Really liked the show, the editing in the fight scenes drove me nuts but the editing in the rest of the show made me really happy.
17:03 the what bands? ...
I feel like the Meta principal of Kamal’s character especially for the origin of her powers is always adapt to the greater needs of marvel. In the comic they were pushing in humans and diversity so kamal was born but now in the mcu they’re pushing cosmic forces and now apparently mutants.
I love your channel. I dont know where Ive been bu I havent watch you crazy two for a couple month. I dont know why. But I look forward in catching up on your content. I loved the history lesson in ms marvel. Very well filmed.
i think they added the action just to please casual fans but i honestly like the characters way more than all that. i just liked seeing them talk about stuff and discover things about her powers. very well done
I would just like to say that the new Carol Danvers suit is a massive improvement over all the previous Danvers suits. And that this show also rocks and I LIKED it.
This is one of the best and most hated Marvel series. The blind vitriol for this series is really something else. I'm not saying its racism but it is. Thank you,this has been my review of Ms Marvel.
If they really wanted the Inhumans so badly, they should have just kept going with all the stuff Agents of SHIELD set up. I mean yeah it was clunky and weird, but it was a decent foundation to build on and it was better than what Ike Peanutbutter threw at us.
Absolutely nobody except Ike Peanutbutter was interested in having Inhumans anywhere near the MCU. Agents of SHIELD was Ike.
Kamala's dad dressed as Hulk, painted green, gives me Tobias Bluth, auditioning for blue man group, vibes.
The time travel will always raise questions when they keep using it as a device but the only "logical" explanation is that the first 3 phases were pre determined and once Loki killed he who remains then all the rules can be broken.
My thought on the time travel is how it originated. You can't go back and change your own past, and have it affect your present. But she didn't go back in time so much as get yanked there. There. The time travel was initiated in the past. She wasn't going back and changing anything, she was just participating in Aisha's present, in something that had always happened. So Endgame rules really don't apply.
I usually agree with [insert host name here] but this time he’s way off
Before this whole MCU collapses in on itself, I need a scene where Korg, Groot and Wolverine interact and a rock, paper, scissors joke is made.
I enjoyed this show way more than I thought I would. I loved the insight into Pakistani culture, absolutely loved all the characters, and loved the actor's portrayals of them!
I just want to say, the instructor was at fault. He didn't check what gear she was in before moving off.
You made me realize that Annihilus could be the villain in The Marvels! I think Annihilus could be so cool in the MCU
With how easily cats are getting super suits nowadays I just need someone to mention Leo Zelinsky at this point
I love having a place in RUclips where people love the show, the internet is full of hate now, also dimensions and universes are treated differently in the MCU
This could have been a coming of age story with a trip to Pakistan. But the clandestine, time travel, & DOD was too cramped. Plus in trying to rewrite her powers, they did the Same-Powers-Different-Colors trope. This was supposed to hype us up for a stronger Captain Marvel story
This series had great character moments but was light on action. Over all I liked it. My 11 year old son loved it.
Wasn’t surprised with the lack of action. It’s more of a character centered story and it’s a lower budget show with a young cast.
Action doesn't make something good
@@moonwhooper I wouldnt even say the action, but the show lacked an interesting conflict and that came mostly as a product of a weak villain
@@moonwhooper it's a comic book show. A certain level of interesting or exciting action is expected.