Why is The Flash Bombing?
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2023
- The last entry in the DCEU has opened to an abysmal 55 million US opening weekend. With this iteration being nine years in the making due to multiple directors coming and going, numerous allegations made against it's star Ezra Miller and a change in direction of the DCU with the arrival of James Gunn's DCU things are very clearly not working out. This is despite the apperence of both Ben Affleck and Michael Keatons Batman, Supergirl, Wonder Woman Woman, Aquaman and multiple cameos from actors past and present despite some being long dead. Here we get into it all as well as our own personal opinions, thanks for watching!
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Just FYI since we recorded this the US weekend box office sits around 55 million as opposed to the projected 70 (which is a bigger number)
Is it a bigger number? I'm pretty sure that 55 million is bigger than 70
Yeah $55.04m for the 3-day & $61.2m for the 4-day holiday wkend opening.
Ok.
ghoulish bad worth of mouth?
Long Weekend $64M...
Fun Fact: This film was first announced in 2014, and finally released in 2023. Its development and production spanned all nine seasons of The Flash TV series.
Well they had to see how it ended so they could finish copying, duh
*Flash fact
Was waiting for a Blue Harvest punchline xD
@@AbshiejeFun Flasct**
And it still lasted longer than the confederacy.
“What a hollow and ghoulish product. Just a… what a fucking nightmare. Yuck.”
James is not on board
what makes you think that?
When I heard Mason go "it was fine" I was thinking "Oh, guess they're not gonna say any of the criticisms" and James gave me what I was expecting
Bees!? Beads!!??
"if this was a better movie Nicholas cage would have been in it!"
Me about life in general
The visual effects in here are ground breaking, they actually had to invent time travel to render the CGI in 2003.
BRAND NEW technology that renders beautiful, realistic CG then INSTANTLY unrenders it back down to 2003 CG.
Bruh the Matrix sequels had better CGI than this pile of crap, I’d rather watch them and that says a lot lol
Ezra miller being the true villain of this movie truly was a case of karmaic hilarity.
I avoided this because Miller is a douche lol
You meant to say Carmaine Falcone hilarity?
@@CATDHDI understood that reference, so I must clap.
i mean hey thats accurate to Flashpoint from a certain point of view
Imagine how directors of the past would react if you told them a movie with a budget of over $200 million had subpar special effects.
They would tell you “huh, I guess the suits won”
"Jesus christ, how bad does inflation *get*?"
subpar everything, the script and story were just as bad as the CGI.
@SealTeamPepega 100 years ago there was no such thing as a movie with a $200M budget..
@@NobuhikuObayashi😮
I have the same reaction to de-aged or recreated dead actors, just kind of sad. Ghoulish is the only word. It's especially bizarre in a movie about the dangers of messing around with the past
One streamer called this movie a cavalcade of living corpses
33:40 - true story: I watched it with my mum and said “is that Nicholas Cage?”
She replied “no. Don’t be ridiculous… and why would he be fighting a giant spider?”
To which I said “fair enough”
She owes me an apology 😂
Your mom lacks the critical information
She has not seen like a hundred Kevin Smith interviews where he talks about it, which is completely fair because it's such a odd reference lol
I'm firmly convinced that, anyone who took James Gunn's praise and said "He didn't work on the movie himself, so he's being 100% honest here for sure", has never had a job in their life.
Lmao true
I mean he skipped taking about Shazam and Aquaman 2, said Blue Beetle was a fun movie, and went out of his way to promote flash, maybe cause they spent the most money on it and asked James to really promote, but idk I think he really liked the "off the wall plot/characters with a lot of heart" style movie as intimated by James and Mason in the video
Or perhaps even been outside or met another person.
Anyone who doesn't think that an employee would say whatever their employer wanted them to say has never had a job and, anyone who claims they would never, still lives in mommy's basement and will until mommy dies.
Superman and wonder women were at the end of this originally so he totally had a say in it
1.) Ezra Miller.
2.) It came out after DC announced they were ending the Snyderverse.
3.) Multiple reshoots.
4.) Multiple script rewrites.
5.) Multiple directors.
6.) No Henry Cavill as Superman.
7.) Wonky CGI (compared to Marvel movies).
Hell, the only reason I was interested in the movie was to see Michael Keaton as Batman again, but apparently nostalgia isn't enough to keep it afloat.
I agree, tho I would argue people wouldn't have as big of a problem with no Henry Cavill cameo if he hadn't been kicked to the curb
Cavil is a terrible Superman. He just has a face and a presence that leads to villainous or anti-heroic roles. I'm sure he'll do well in the Warhammer 40k project with its grimdark tone.
8) Shoddy plot
Don't forget one of the biggest issues. It just looked mediocre.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼. Cavill couldn't save Supes/nor is a good Supe. Ezra shouldve never been Flash(that suit was terrible). DC should stick to the Animation.
It is interesting hearing the two dueling perspectives of this movie in this one review- one being "this movie is an abomination to cinema and spits in the face of artistic talent" and the other one being "it was fine."
that was not Mason's opinion of the movie lol
"It was fine," was pretty much my entire opinion of the DCEU. The first Shazam was fun.
Tbf thats the overall reaction, its fine. Honestly it was kinda entertaining and there were a few decent moments
It honestly was not bad, people are overeacting.
The time travel place made sense to me in that it's this timey wimey, scary, overlapping, funhouse, surreal, not set in stone type of thing, it probably shouldn't be hyper realistic to sell the effect of those dreamlike sequences...
It certainly doesn't help the reputation that Ezra Miller was bring to the movie fairly or unfairly to cast and crew outside of Ezra Miller. There were big expectations of the flashpoint event in Flash's history. Where do you fall on the "worst" to "fine" scale?
My takeway was, they should've just made another Batman movie with Keaton.
I just read an article on the Ezra miller allegations and omg it is horrific. I actually had no idea the extent of the allegations, but if even half of it is true miller should not be on the screen. Truly impossible to describe how deplorable the allegations are
And they had the chance to get rid of him before the movie even started filming. The video of him choking the woman was out there for all to see before filming. Like they said in the video, though, WB didn't even make a statement about it.
Miller acts cartoonishly crazy. It's unbelievable that it all really happened yet somehow it did.
Problem is they're all allegations aside from fighting random people and stealing food.
@@Clay3613 Even then it shows their character. Ezra is fucking nuts.
@@Clay3613 He choked a woman on camera. That should be enough. But he's got blackmail on someone big in the industry, so he's protected.
Reshoots, public controversy, a pending reboot, and a story I’ve read and seen multiple times.
I wonder why it’s not doing well…
Seriously, I think it has nothing to do with reshoots or the “controversy”, people just don’t care at all about Warner brothers DC, they haven’t made a single good movie
you'd think Flashpoint is the only storyline the character's ever had
@@NobuhikuObayashi Batman was a good film. People actually DID tune out of this in huge numbers because of the controversy. As in, Ezra Miller being a dangerous sexual predator.
It’s funny that this movie could have avoided the comparison to other multiverse content easily but chose not too.
The original comic is strictly about time travel, but they made sure to add a multiverse connection in this movie.
This!! It was mind blowing to me how much they forced in there just to have their “multiverse movie”! Micheal Keaton EASILY could’ve just played Thomas Wayne like in the OG flashpoint story and thy would’ve worked GREAT! New supergirl kicks ass but that poor actress has been forced to do ALL the press but only reall has 10/15? Mins MAYBE? The final straw for me was *spiilers* that final nightmare multiverse scene, literally if you had just taken that out it would’ve worked FINE and been a better movie for it!
Which is why I think we are all so so over it.
If I have to see another variant or mutliverse char. Bro it's a dead horse you're kicking.
@@superherocollegeeah it sucks because early trailers made me think ‘omg they’re gonna actually resist temptation, there’s NO superheroes in the universe Flash stumbles into’. It looked unique for all the multiverse shit because he just interacts with the past and a new Batman and Supergirl for a decent cast of characters with their own arcs. But thats all just false advertisement i guess. Also i was really excited for Supergirl becuz the actress seemed really quite good, and her character seemed to have potential in relation to the plot surrounding Michael Shannon’s General Zod when she finds out that he destroyed krypton or something and she has some arc, idk that was my assumption, guess that character was wasted
Heck, a movie about the concept of the multiverse JUST released like last week, Spider-verse, and I still haven't had time to watch it. I've already grown somewhat fatigued by the premise, but I'm still gonna watch the film due to all the reception. Both movies though? That's likely not what most of the audience are gonna do, and based on word of mouth it's fairly obvious which one they would rather go watch. And that's not factoring in all the behind the scenes stuff regarding this film.
@@leithaziz2716Spider verse is great, I recommend it but yeah there have been far too many multiverse storylines in recent years.
Barry’s character arc is “he learned not to move a can of tomatoes to save his mom and instead move an entire shelf of tomatoes to save his dad.”
But he needed to do that to create the new James Gunnverse
Only to bring back George Clooney as Batman. Rip Batfleck.
My favorite part of the movie is when the flash went back in time and convinced George Lucas to keep blue Harvest for the permanent name of Star Wars
Well, given Ezra Miller’s “escapades”, people might be skipping/avoiding the film because of such “escapades”
That is precisely why I'm skipping it
Chief, the former president is a r*pist, who's been impeached twice, and is facing a possible century of prison time. That the star of this movie is reprehensible is the reason YOU aren't watching this movie. It's not the reason it isn't making bank.
I refuse to see it because him
I think that is a factor for people paying attention, but the vast majority unfortunately are not, they don't realize all the issues about the movie as WB and media have tried damn hard to keep it quite.
For most people I think its something else altogether, I think everybody is just over the never ending spam of superhero movies and shows that are all identical. There is so much of it its way beyond saturation, only the most die hard fan is still keeping up with the MCU let alone trying the DCU.
Personally I haven't watched anything 'superhero' related since endgame with the notable exceptions of the boys, invincible and peacemaker because they actually tried something different, there is only so many 'bad guy trying to find MacGuffin which leads to fight in a city with giant lazer beam' movies I can watch, particularly the dialogue, action, motivations and messages are all just copy/pasted from each other to the point they could be AI generated by now.
@@TheNzFox no. also quiet. also TL DR
As a BIG Flash fan, I’m oddly simultaneously dissatisfied but less dissatisfied than most with this. I don’t mind it being silly- Flash is ridiculous, it’s part of what’s great about him. Captain Boomerang, Captain Cold, Gorilla Grodd. Just ridiculous; I love it. I think he deserved better, Barry deserved someone who actually felt felt like him, and stunning VFX. The opening teamup scene was ripped straight out of a comic, so I really enjoyed it, and they made Keaton comic book Batman level OP. Overall, mid movie, but very fun time for me as someone who was able to stomach the TV show until season 6.
Conclusion: Just do friggin’ Wally next time.
Michael Rosenbaum type Wally West from the Justice League cartoon? Then I’m game.
@@treycarter6736 Absolutely- that’s the one.
When Keaton said “you already brought me back” or “back to life” I don’t remember the line. I think he was referring to Barry bringing him back out of retirement and do one final mission.
Black Adam --> Shazam 2 --> The Flash is a NASTY RUN for DC. James is right, this felt very “hollow and ghoulish”
Yes but BVS suicide squad, birds of prey, justice league, was perhaps a somehow even more awful streak, even though I haven’t seen any of the newer ones and never will
But BATGIRL would’ve tanked the DC brand had it seen the light of day
The flash is better than Shazam 2 we made another one, ant-man we need to make a third, or spider-man no way this script makes sense;
Guardians 3 & across the spiderverse are the only superhero films worth watching from this year
The Suicide Squad reboot and the Peacemaker show were both good.
@@NobuhikuObayashiAgreed the recent films have just been meh for the most part, not particularly good but not significantly bad just very forgettable.
The multiverse aspect felt incredibly forced. Instead of a simple time travel movie that focuses on Barry trying to save his mom and screwing everything up it instead chose to deviate away from that more and more. By the third act I completely forgot that he’s doing all this for his mom.
It's DC trying to jump the gun over and over to get to where Marvel is, but you can't without the world building and character building. It's just hollow shells otherwise.
I enjoyed the first 2/3 of the movie, but started checking out in the final act battle
Yeah like a BTTF type movie where his actions could still mess up the timeline & cause different versions of people, but that wouldn't be connected to a "multiverse."
That's how it was done in the comics.
@@Clay3613Except Flashpoint wasn't the first "solo" adventure for the Flash
At this point, I think it’s clear that a full clean slate is the only option. This universe and it’s cast, both good and bad, are box office poison. They need a serious rebrand
that's what they're doing
@@14ElmStreet28 Are they not trying to tie to new universe into the old with this movie?
“The weird cgi is intentional” I believe the director; it just wasn’t an artistic choice, it was a fiscal choice. Warner bros set the scheduled date and probably didn’t want to delay the movie again so the time and money to put into the effects just wasn’t enough to make the release and they thought we’re stupid enough to eat it up
The fact the Johnny Depp got cancelled and recast asap in Fantastic Beasts, Batgirl movie also cancelled but Ezra didn't, just tells you all you need to know about WB's priorities
Reading this hurts. God, I hate Warner Bros.
#WarnerBrothersRuinEverything
How are they not drawing the line at child grooming?!?!
The movie already finished recording before the Ezra stuff.
Johny Depp got cancelled before the filming of FB3 started
For the record, I'm not justifying it
I think it has more to do with them desperately wanting/needing to reboot this entire mess of a franchise and Flash being the movie capable of doing it than them just giving Ezra a blanket pass. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ezra was permanently blacklisted, among other things, going forward.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending their decision or Ezra. Im just saying that producers only see things through money and they already spent an insane amount on this movie and desperately need it to give them an clean slate. Ezra just happens to be standing in their soup.
They’re not trying to rehabilitate Ezra’s career, they’re trying to recoup their $500,000,000 investment in it. Which makes Ezra a prisoner to shady Hollywood accounting until they get what they need from him and then they’re going to let the world destroy him.
Batfleck's CGI cape at the beginning of the movie......broke my brain. I kept thinking...why is there a cartoon cape on Batman? (although I'm 100000% there for the blue and greys)
First thing I noticed and my brain just went jdudgbedii!?
Even the close up shot of his cgi cowl looked so bad.
There have been many moments in previous movies where Batman has a cgi cape but you just don't notice it. Shows how poor the cgi work here is.
For Michael Keatons Batman, in the first scene he was in, he had an animated cape as well 😂
Fun Fact: after years of reiterating the new Flash costume, the director wanted to incorporate more lightning into the costume which was ultimately scrapped. With the lightning being blue, it led to the working title “Blue Harvest”
Damn it
I heard the working title was Branscombe Richmond
I actually bought the uncanny valley look during the Flashpoint sequences, as it is a location that's a bit "off," so I'm okay with that there. The times outside of that? These people need to give their SFX teams time to do their work right without having to pull all-nighters. There are some talented people who are looking at their work thinking, "Why did they give me a 2 week deadline to do this entire sequence? I wish I had another 2 weeks - it would have looked amazing."
9 years wasn't enough??
And I think y'all hit it at the end of the podcast: A movie this expensive has to be a blockbuster to not be a flop, and it's instead been polarizing. With almost any other piece of media, it's kinda cool to have people either love it or hate it, but that doesn't work when your production/marketing budget is in the hundreds of millions. And of course some people don't even want to look at Ezra Miller right now, let alone doubled. I didn't think it was bad (and I especially liked Keaton and Calle - with what little she had), but I can definitely see why some folks didn't like it. Bummer
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor It spent 9 years in development, not production. There's a difference. The movie actually only started filming on April 2021
The reality is that most people didn't like the Snyder movies and this movie still has a heavy emphasis on the Snyder continuity, even if things get reset at the end via time travel. People aren't showing up to this for the same reason they didn't show up for the original Justice League, the first few movies in this universe put most people off.
Doing an in-universe reboot is the dumbest idea ever. It puts off people who didn't like the older installments which are still connected, while also pissing off fans of the older movies. They should have just stopped making the Snyder movies and started over with a new cast back in 2016 after BvS and the first Suicide Squad tanked as badly as they did, the same way James Bond rebooted after Die Another Day by just making Casino Royale.
I think part of the problem - and this is something inherent to all of these long, multi-film spanning cinematic universes - is that you get to a point where you're just not going to attract new people to your franchise. If you've not watched the Snyder films, or really anything from MoS onwards for DC, there's no way you're going to go into a cinema and watch a film that's going to need knowledge from over a decade's worth of films (even forgetting the older references and Easter eggs) to understand. Over a decade in now, and you're well past the point of diminishing returns; your audience is pretty much guaranteed to dwindle at this point, yet still there's this expectation that they're going to keep pulling in billion dollar returns. It's just insane when you think about it. And that's without even factoring the *very* sketchy reviews of some of the major instalments in the franchise, a lead actor who is going to be poisonous to the success of your movie, an unfathomable series of decisions about the Justice League from the studio resulting in the 'Snyder cut' debacle. The whole franchise at this point is just borked.
If people didnt like the Snyder movies, how would you go about explaining #snydercut ?
Exactly if you wanna reboot just reboot you don't need a big story to do it.
@@imamimemotherf6938that hashtag was pumped up by bots.
@@imamimemotherf6938 bots
Hopefully it's because Ezra Miller is a horrible human being, and people are refusing to support a maniac.
Can't speak for everyone but it definitely put me off the movie.
@@charlesp.8555 Same
He’s a psycho that a lot of people support. Idk why
Wishful thinking. If people really cared that much, every movie with Jared Leto would bomb.
@@xthelegend89 every movie with Jared Leto does bomb lol
If Henry looking up was enough to exonerate him, wouldn’t a receipt or a testimony by the cashier that checked him out be enough? Wouldn’t be too hard for a detective to track down who was working that shift. Seems like an easy fix.
But also, how does any of that exonerate him when his wife was stabbed as he returned home. He doesn't have an alibi for not being at the scene of the crime.
Idk if that would actually work tho. Cashiers see so many faces on a daily basis that I doubt the cashier that checked him would remember his face since that event took place at least 10 years ago, so even if they were able to track that person down, "hey I remember that one customer that came to the store 15 years ago" isnt the most reliable testimony.
@@kbreezy1581 I’m saying they should have gone and gotten that cashier at the first trial. I work in a restaurant and while I can’t say I remember everyone I ever see in there I do remember faces pretty well.
Before the first trial, if Henry was swearing he was at the store, a good detective would have gone to the store, asked to see the schedule for that day. If they didn’t remember then that’s one thing but it’s possible they could have.
Why does a grocery store only have ONE SECURITY CAMERA? That is the biggest fail. Even when you walk in a store a camera tracks you. Even back in like 2004 when that was set or so they had ceiling cameras all over stores
Would anyone have cared if Ezra Miller was just quietly replaced? Maybe have Batman say something like "You're not the kid you were back then" or even a little cheeky "you look different" - "new haircut" exchange
They could have easily changed him but Ezra probably has top tier blackmailing material for the WB execs.
There's so much contributing to it's bombing: the movie coming out at similar times as Transformers, Spiderman Across the Spiderverse, superhero/ multiverse fatigue, Ezra being a twat & WB trying to keep it hush or saying it's mental illness and wanting him to have future roles while more popular people like Henry Cavill are being back hand slapped.
There is no universe where Henry Cavill was "back hand slapped' special people who feel the need to constantly fart that out really need to stop....Cavill was never signed to a contract, James Gunn was not the studio head at the time and, Gunn decided to go in another direction.....
Thank Dwayne, 7 Buck Productions or whoever decided to film a cameo with Henry Cavill for Black Adam...Its also a safe bet that WB knew that Amazon was talking to Cavill about the 40k stuff. Amazon didn't just sign him in an hour so talks had been clearly going on for months before the 40k announcement or the filming of the Black Adam cameo
How did Cavill get "back hand slapped"? I like Cavill but this is kind of ridiculous. They hired a new team that was going in a younger direction. I liked Cavill too but the Snyderverse is over. The Rock made a power play for a piece of DC control and tried to use Henry to make it happen. But his plan was to center a trilogy of films around Black Adam and Superman lol! What a disaster that sounds like. Yet so many people only care about getting Henry back no matter what it means for the storytelling. Henry being brought back in the fold was because Rock tried to put Black Adam at the very center of the universe. Why should the new regime have to keep trying to milk life from the Snyderverse? It sucks for Henry but some fans are acting like it's personal.
I don't think Ezra has a future at DC at all. They made the wrong decision not to recast and were stuck with him. It's not like they chose Ezra over Henry.
Did the superhero/multiverse fatigue kick in sometime last week? Because unless I missed something Across the Spider-verse had a great release and is both of those things.
There's no such thing as superhero fatigue. What people are fatigued over is seeing the same thing over and over again and seeing sequel after sequel beat franchises for a little extra life. What's also happening is that Marvel lost pretty much all of its actors and concluded its big story event. That simply gives people a jumping off point from which they can carry on their lives, regardless of how they feel about the films or properties. Holland's Spiderman kind of also ended at the same time, Jurassic Park kinda of wrapped up (at least it's main plot), and some other film series have also hit that natural(ish) ending point, while DC is still dragging their feet. This makes the DCEU look like the odd one out because everything else has been wrapping up,.There's no hype they can draw off of Marvel because that story they were telling is over. I think that's a very different thing than saying people are tired of superheroes.
@@ScooterinAB Hollywood fatigue
Fun fact: The Flash's costume was originally blue, which is a reference to the film's working title "Blue Harvest"
Boo! Not convoluted enough.
@@Jaydee-wd7wr When something travels fast enough radiation emitted from it is blueshifted, so if the flash was running towards you he would actually appear blue, this is actually a reference to the film's working title "blue harvest"
When I went to watch Spider-Man, I was almost laughing when I was watching the trailer for this I don’t know how anyone can watch this movie without constantly being reminded of who Ezra really is
When I saw Spiderman somebody yelled "pedo" during the Flash preview.
Shockingly it wasn't me
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitorare you for real?!
Wow! And WB thought people would ignore Ezra. Man, WB really has no shame.
@@HejaWolf I am forreal and I absolutely lost my shit when it happened.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor that is hilarious, but accurate sadly. I get WB had a lot of money involved in the movie, but I still can't believe they thought having Ezra around was a good idea.
They love to burn books and erase authors from history because they are "problematic and outdated"
- but the moment one of their own people gets boycotted then everybody cries "you have to learn to seperate the art from the author." 🤡🤡
This isn't really an issue with the movie, but something that I find really funny is how adjusting the timeline just randomly turns Ben Affleck into George Clooney. Like, how does that work? In No Way Home and Spiderverse it's never really addressed but I always assumed it was just like, Peter Parker looks different in different universes, but this is the same timeline, so how did it change so Bruce Wayne looks like a completely different person? Again, this isn't a problem with the movie, it's just something that I find kind of funny.
Also, I'm happy that Mr Sunday Movies hasn't stopped with their Tom Cruise laugh bit.
I guess because flash moved the tomato cup to the top instead of the spot it originally was now apparently it’s a whole different universe timeline
Yeah, and to add to your point, remember Clooney played the same character, in the same universe, on the same timeline as Keaton did. Kilmer replaced Keaton as Batman because he did not like the lighter tone of the story and Clooney replaced Kilmer because of scheduling conflicts. Its like having Don Cheadle and Terrance Williams both appear together as War Machine in Avengers: End Game. Fucking Stupid.
I haven’t seen this movie but the fact that they thought let’s have two flash’s and they didn’t think to get grant and instead went with two ezras is insane to me
This was a big turnoff for me. I was hoping Grant Gustin version of The Flash would be the definitive. Or if they were brave enough, introduce s new Flash actor completely.
Well, Ezra does use plural pronouns. 🤣
Ezra did a fantastic job at this and definitely outdid Gustin who I thought was phenomenal
@@Korgano"They" is not only a plural pronoun
@@Memu_ 👍
I’m amazed I haven’t heard more complaints about the hospital sequence and how bad the cg babies looked, like i was shocked by how bad they looked and that they could put this on a big screen, and I think the best thing we could get out of this not doing well is they might actually try to release Batgirl just to try and claw back any good will they can.
Well the director did make a public comment about it being intentional bc we see through his eyes or something. It was wonky.
@@jacobsims8307BS excuse for garbage effects
@@jacobsims8307 except there are parts of that sequence that aren’t from his perspective like when he the babies start falling or when he takes the one out of the microwave and the cg still looking atrocious
Sounds like there’s just so much other stuff to complain about that the cg babies are just lower on the list
@@nimblesheepvenomous3811 that's probably the actual problem is that since it wasn't as important as the dead actor cg stuff they just didn't care how bad it looked.
The part where Keaton Batman says "you already did save me" can be interpreted as Flash gave a reason for him to come back from his retirement as Batman. This is also pretty meta as after 3 decades we are seeing Keaton Batman on screen and of course the part you guys mentioned about the time reversal and saving him.
Apparently Nicolas Cage did film the new scenes for the film:
"Director Andy Muschietti previously confirmed the scene’s existence to Esquire Middle East. "Nic was absolutely wonderful. Although the role was a cameo, he dove into it," the It helmer said. "I dreamt all my life to work with him. I hope I can work with him again soon."
Also, Helen Slater was at the premiere, so the footage of her was probably new as well.
Yet they completely cover them up with CGI for some reason. I can understand Helen Slater since they stick her next to Christopher Reeves, but Cage didn't need to be buried in such heavy visual effects work. And it's not just his face, it's everything about him. If i recall, they even got the Superman Lives costume designer to remake the suit and it's just not present
@@ChristianJayTheCTrain not to make excuses for them, because I don't know why they REALLY did it like that, but the way I look at it is that Flash was looking into other worlds- he wasn't actually ON them and so they looked a bit separate from reality. Again, this may not have been the filmmakers intent, but that's the way I see it and it makes sense to me.
@@scottlarson1209That’s what the filmmakers have said but like they say in the video I don’t buy it. Because it seeps into uncanny valley especially when you reference something people have wanted to see in the flesh as like a cameo for a while.
@@Kevo6492 Again, my comment was not a defense of their decision. It's not an argument for or against and certainly not meant to try to sway anyone from seeing this the way they want to. I personally enjoyed the movie a lot and I chose to look at it this way for myself.
I’ve listened to this review 3 times already through other methods and I’ll do it again, an instant Weekly Planet classic
James's pure disgust at the movie combined with Mason's just nonchalance makes it one of my favourite reviews of the year for sure
@@cattolord33 literally the polar opposite of the Justice League review
I honestly felt some kind a of way about Ezra’s situation and didn’t want to reward it
With The Flash hitting theaters this june I did what any other sane person would do, I used my screening ticket money to watch Across the Spider-Verse a second time 🕸
im boutta go for a fourth this weekend i gotta cleanse my eyes from the flash
The best part of The Flash was Supergirl and she was criminally underutilized.
She was legitimately cool, and she looked so cool in that suit, with the hair, and you felt her badassery when she screamed.
Give me more Sasha Calle Supergirl!
Knowing DC, we will never see her again .
The Supergirl costume here is one of my favourites of any comic book movies.
@@jamesn3122 according to Sasha herself she’s had meetings with James Gunn so she might be in Supergirl: Woman Of Tomorrow
You could really feel her passion for her family and what they stand for. That rage of hers was phenomenal too. This is the best version of Kara we’ve ever gotten, I dare say. Miles better than any other live-action or cartoon version
The worst part was if you just saw the trailers you saw pretty much every scene she was in. So not only was she the best part of the movie, you feel cheated about her presence.
The "let's get nuts" line doesn't work unless he was offering the Barrys food.
After I watched it on opening day I was honestly baffled to see so many people positively reviewing it the next day. I saw people say “it’s a solid 8/10 besides the cgi” 😭 I felt like I was in a different universe or something because I feel like even stuff like line delivering and plot fail for me. I haven’t like Ezra millers take on the flash since the first justice league and in this movie his performance is hilarious not when it’s trying to be but in just about every emotional scene I was laughing
There is a large contingent of people who would give this film 8/10 on principle before even having seen it.
I liked how the way he popped his head out when traveling to the past was the same way his body slightly popped out of the portal when he time traveled in BvS. The stylistic consistency of that really tied it all together. I wish we could’ve seen more of the veteran version of this Flash from the Knightmare future timeline.
This has been a strange year or so for movies. There have been quite a few films that should technically be right up my alley, I see the trailer and say "yeah, cool, alright" and then when they hit theaters all I can muster is an apathetic sigh. And then just watch whatever I didn't watch in theaters three months ago on streaming.
There have been maybe 2 or 3 movies released in the past year that have been at all interesting. I love superhero movies but Spiderverse is the only one that I am interested in seeing. There haven't been really any good blockbuster movies except for a couple exceptions.
Speak for yourself nigga
Most of the memorable movies I've seen recently were 2022 or 2021 movies (Wakanda Forever, Glass Onion, Nope, Macbeth, The Green Knight). What have I actually seen from this year? Uh... Guardians 3. That was OK, I guess. I'm still grooving on how brilliant Nope was.
Really want to see the Spider-Verse sequel. There's interesting stuff happening on TV.
@@MattMcIrvinyeah Nope went under the radar, shockingly great film. Glass Onion was super popular but quite a letdown. But there’s a lot more less-mainstream stuff that was good, I liked X (2022) quite a bit, its straightforward horror in classic style rather than Conjuring 77. Also this Dog Day Afternoon style film, Breaking, surprisingly good. The rest yeah its mostly just the blockbuster stuff and the superhero stuff has been mid
If you're going to watch anything in the theater this year, watch "Renfield" and "Sympathy for the Devil" - we're entering some sort of strange Nic-Cage-ennaissance and I'm here for it.
Looking past the CGI, this film had some of the best Batman action we've seen in a while. Loved the Batfleck scene when hes grappling on the car, and Keaton kicked ass (well, his stunt double/CGI double kicked ass).
This movie is called “The Flash” and they showed Keaton in the suit a lot in the promo materials, people were not going to the theaters for it since they know DC is a mess and they saw Keaton in the ads, plus they can wait for it to show up on streaming. Indy 5 benefits from Indy being the star and people love Harrison Ford, so people will more than likely head to the theater to see that over the Flash in comparison.
I still can’t fathom how they’d fail to include Grant Gustin or John Wesley Shipp - esp after Ezra Miller has already popped up on their multiverse arc
Grant I couldn't care less about, but Wesley not being used and them using a CGI Jay Garrick was a WTF moment for me.
I will really never understand why DC went all in on their TV universe, then absolutely refuse to touch it when it comes to film. Talk about the right hand not knowing what the left is doing.
They probably didn't want to be connected to Ezra, the arrowvers cast members called out a number of abusers in the industry and had them removed from arrowvers shows. Joining this movie after everything with ezra, would have spat in the face of that.
@@Jaxblaze The problem is that this weird refusal to touch the TV stuff goes to before Miller was even cast. That he was cast instead of Gustin was odd to begin with, that they's before Miller started grooming minors.
@@ScooterinAB I understand why that happened. But after 5 years and all the reshoots, Grant should have been offered the role
How can an entire batgirl movie get scraped because 'test audiences didnt like it' and yet a grooming abusive rapists film gets put into theatres?
Because it cost twice the budget and they believed the movie was great. Whereas they knew batgirl was trash
I mean the simple answer is this movie was near-finished, all the VFX already paid for, everything done, marketing begun, 200 million (if not more in marketing) already spent. No person in their sane mind working for a company could cancel that. Batgirl was worth far less money, and not close to done, and could be written off under tax refund.
Very true. Would've gladly taken Batgirl over Ezra getting glorified.
That Batgirl movie made no sense. Batgirl isn’t black.
@@DeltaAssaultGaming wouldn't make sense regardless, the character can be any color. nobody is going to see a Batgirl movie.
1) Ezra is a criminal and their crimes allegedly involve children and they have taken no accountability or provided any clarification.
2) Studio is backing him, and doubling down on them, saying they're the only one who could play Barry, and their performance will make you forget their crimes.
3) Also have expressed a desire to make a sequel if movie makes enough money, so people know for SURE that supporting the film is, in fact, supporting Ezra. People have a conscience and don't want to support this person
4) the movie's bizarre marketing campaign trying to convince people that a film in development hell since the 80s is actually the greatest superhero film of all time.
5) People are sick or shallow films and nostalgia bait.
6) Ezra's version of Barry Allen is terrible, and bears no resemblance to Barry or any other Flash for that matter and is one of the most obnoxious characters put to screen. And there's 2 of them in this film.
7) The CGI looks god awful, even the film's dickriders say it looks god awful and for a $200M movie starring the Flash, that is just such a turnoff.
8. Not even the best multiverse superhero film of June 2023. Spiderverse clears this films, as a gorgeous looking sequel to the greatest Spider-Man film of all time, Spidey being the most popular superhero. In stark contrast, Flash looks ugly, the DCEU has a track record of dogshit films and The Flash just doesn't have the drawing power of Spider-Man.
9) They released this on June 16 which is the 64th anniversary of George Reeves' suicide. It is thought that he suffered from depression due to his role as Superman and the subsequent typecasting because of it.
These idiots chose to try and make even more money off of his ghastly CGI face just so audiences have something to point and gawk at. And they released it on the EXACT date he died.
You can't make this monstrosity up.
I hate movie politics. 🙁
@@DavidisGamingHDyet our favorite content creators like these loveably misguided lads, are obsessed with not offending him and stick to his preferred controlled pronouns
@@version3155 Its almost like you can accept someone's identity and still be critical of their shitty behavior.
How shocking.
OR Warner Bros DC has sucked for 8 years and no one except for a small circle of internet people cares
@@version3155 you are in the wrong place edgy little kid, Mr. Sunday movies are not bigots
The only reason I was hyped for the release of the Flash is to hear what James and Maso had to say about it
The fact that BTTF Part 2 made the effect of having an actor doubled in a single shot look far more believable than a modern film is mind boggling to me, just goes to show there is noone on these films allocating and managing where the budget goes.
I think it's less an issue of budget and more time. It seems more and more there's films with bigger budgets but less time in pre and post-production. A VFX studio can be given all the budget in the world, but if the studio demands they have everything ready in under a month you're just never gonna have the time to do everything properly.
And the problem is the people at the top just care about getting these out as fast as possible
BTTF 2, starring Eric Stoltz?
Weird because I never noticed a cgi Barry when they were both on screen ever.
I even forgot it was the same
Person
Why is Flash bombing? I mean, just look at it...
It had some of the worst CGI.
If they used this CG in a TV show, I wouldn’t have cared that much but I’m paying for a ticket and this is supposed to be a big budget movie, and someone looked at this and said “ok, approved! let’s put it out there!”
They really needed to give the Keaton role to Bale and have Keaton as the cameo at the end.
Switch Bale with Pattinson and I'll agree with you.
How bout new Batman ( Pattinson ) with fleck , fleck with keaton & bale with Clooney ? Yours would work too. I think not including bale is criminal . He is MY Batman
@@ushallN0tpass personally I think the only one who moves the needle box office wise is bale. Not because Patterson is bad, but just cause he is the current batman so there isn't like a nostalgia factor. With Bale he was recent enough that everyone is familiar, but enough time has pasted that casuals would get excited.
The reason I said Bale/Keaton is cause you can kill off Bale in that universe cause it's technically not the nolan batman but you end with keaton so moving forward they could use him in the new dceu continuity if they wanted
Batman sending the flash to the hospital while he chases a car is crazy. Why would you not send the fastest person on Earth to chase the car?!? It’s so many loopholes in this movie, it’s crazy.
Please tell me how batman would have saved a room full of babies from a collapsing building in under a minute? Also, I don't think you are using the word "loophole" correctly
James hates this but Maso likes it but also has issues with it
Agree with James
This movie feels so hollow
And having the final action scene in the desert in order to avoid the MoS collateral damage, but then have a scene right after that this world will die and we can't save anyone.
3 consecutive bombs in Black Adam, Shazam 2 & The Flash. Opened on par with Green Lantern & Watchmen and made just $11m more in 3 days than MoS's first Friday! Superman Legacy CANNOT afford to bomb!
Good thing it will bomb since it’s literally impossible for it to make what the studio and people want 😂
I think it'll bomb cus any good will Henry Cavill or Ben Afleck have earned can't be called upon....
Years ago on the weekly planet (while I was still at Uni in another country) you guys reported on who was playing the Flash and that they (Miller) said something to the effect of "...sitting here in this South American village enjoying some local Tilapia I am overjoyed to be playing...blah blah"
I was huge into comics (and huge into Flash) at the time and thought "who is this wanker"
Had never heard of them, but that one sentence somehow meant none of their erratic behaviour caught me off guard.
Really left an impression...
The DCEU has been trying for years to speedrun their cinematic universe to match where marvel is at its most popular without any of the buildup required to make them feel like a satisfying payoff for your time and dedication. Justice League wanted to be Avengers 1 and this movie wants to be spider-man no way home and it's so blatant and underdeveloped in comparison
I've not seen Flash yet but definitely agree DC wants to have the big pay-off without any of the set-up so they have to build the plane as it's flying. I get real "we have Avengers at home" vibes.
"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb"_Batman (when asked about this movie)
Good one!
@@JB-1138 haha Thanks! I was very happy with myself lol
General audience don’t really care or know enough about the flash as a character or this movie to go see it
The people that do know about it also know about Erzas actions and would rather not throw money at Warner Bros for their handling of the situation
This movie appeals to no one
If they’d have said “hey we’re just getting Grant Gustin to reprise the role” I’d have been happy. Say what you will about the Flash show, but Grant is consistently the best part of the show, which I know is like saying the bread is the best part of a shit sandwich but still
The funniest thing in this film was that Flash didn’t learn a single thing in the film. He still manages fuck up the multiverse
Actually its no longer called bombing, its now called Flashing
I saw a post saying ezra miller put a baby in a microwave. I just assumed it was the actor doing his thing and was pleasantly surprised that it was in a film
It couldn't have happened to a more deserving movie.
One day, will we get more Clone Wars videos? I would really enjoy hearing you guys talk about the Umbara arc.
We probably will and the Umbara arc is at the top of the list!
I think the 'bad' CGI when we're specifically in the speedforce do feel like they are a deliberate stylistic choice but those same effects being a a thing outside the speedforce is is obviously just that the effect were rushed on the cheap
Comic book movie fatigue🤷♂️ me personally haven’t been excited about a comic book movie since Endgame…
Its not "superhero" fatigue. Notice how theres never talk of "horror movie fatigue" or "action movie fatigue"... its shite move fatigue
@@cw8867 No, there's definitely superhero fatigue. And fatigue for all those other genres. They just tend to call it dips in popularity.
@@beardedbear9901 across the spiderverse just came out and has been successful... its not superhero fatigue
I wonder if the speed force animation was intentionally bad to make it seem “less bad” when the cameos of Christopher Reeve’s, Nicolas Cage, Adam West, etc showed up in all their uncanny valley glory.
Not sure if that makes it better. Like, what if you have one bad actor in a movie, should the rest of your actors act worse so that actor looks better?
my favorite part of the baby falling scene is that the microwave dings, implying it was on while the baby was in it
Minus Ezra Miller, I think if they had done a straight Flashpoint adaptation to reboot it into the new continuity (instead of going for the nostalgia) it could've worked. They had Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Cyborg, Superman, Shazam, and thanks to BvS we could've had Thomas Wayne Batman played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan. I think Zack Synder's tone and style really would've lent itself to that darker and more brutal story as well.
It’s so funny people thought this was goin to do 70 Mil and it did EVEN WORSE. 😂
One of the things that is really weird is how they have a human who is healing around objects on their body.
Getting stabbed by something and then just healing around it. And then keep going to the whole body. Is that whatever it is, kryptonian metal metal?
Curiosity finally got the best of me and I watched the movie. I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would based on this review and others.
Only thing from me - I don't think Keaton's Batman was saying he knew Flash was going back in time. He was saying the Flash saved him from his self-imposed isolation and brought him back to life for a moment (figuratively) by making him a hero again.
My takeaways from the murder scene were
1. Barry sees his dad come home at the same time he hears the scream, meaning the only eye witness places his dad outside the house at the time of the murder
2. The murderer got into the house, startled and killed Barry’s mom, got out of the house, and got far enough away no one saw him in the time it took Barry to go down the stairs
3. The grocery store only has 1 security camera and no one watching the front who could’ve confirmed Barry’s dad was at the store that day
It’s such a silly murder story it took me right out of the film
I've been saying this for a while but it definitely bears repeating. DC has already done a great version of this story. They did it a decade ago and its called the Flashpoint Paradox. I highly recommend that whoever has not watched it go do so... Features more stakes, actual acting, a protagonist who isn't a lunatic, some genuine twists, Kevin Conroy doing the voice of Main universe Batman and, fucking Lucius Vorenus (Aka Kevin McKidd) as the voice of Flashpont Batman.
And to practice what I preach, I'm actually going to go watch it now (well after this podcast).
Kevin Conroy wasn't in the Flashpoint animated movie
@@theantitroll Re-watch the movie. I think you'll hear a familiar voice when Batman comes to the Flash's aid in the first 15 min.
@@Fledermausmannand also at the emotional ending of the movie (I'll avoid spoilers)
Yeah, DC's animated movie game is real strong.
With a ticket to the cinema costing around £16, it's about 1/5 of my day's salary just to see a movie. I'm not wasting that on a movie that may or may not be any good. I need absolute certainty if I'm going to watch a film in cinema, and the DC-verse is about as risk free as chlamydia condoms
Yes, the only good film they have made in my opinion since TDK trilogy is the joker (even though I haven’t seen most WB DC films and never will because they look so laughably bad)
Mine only cost $6, where the hell do you live?
@@Clay3613 London, cost of living is a total joke. Assuming that's USD, you're literally paying a quarter what I have to. Mental
My real question is how does michael keaton's batman know more about time travel than barry allen who is the one character that should know all of this since he's the only one with the capability to apply the theory? I guess the easy answer is so we could get that neat bit of exposition where batman explains time travel to the audience
One of the biggest problems with The Flash is that it didn't feel like Barry had ended up in the Tim Burton Batman universe; it felt like Batman had been pulled into the DCEU universe.
I didn’t want to support Ezra Miller and the studio’s insistence in trying to get people to forget all the shit they did.
The artists who worked on the film largely don’t get residuals, they were paid a salary, the cast gets residuals and watching the film puts some money in Ezra’s pockets.
He*
I don’t want to support WB, they haven’t made a good movie in 8 years
Good point
@@version3155 *it.
Went to the Flash on Sunday, and there were a max of 15 people in the theater. I wanted to watch Spiderman, but waited till the last second to buy tickets and couldn't get into a showing. The only reason I decided to go into the Flash, was due to Keaton. If not for him, I would have gone home. I didn't hate the movie, but there was a lot of it when I was like WTF. ***spoiler coming*** As soon as I saw the back of Nic Cage Superman, I knew it was him. My wife turned to me, did he ever actually play Superman?
Superman is his favorite super hero, and he was in pre-production to play Superman in a 90's Tim Burton Superman movie. It fell through (for obvious reasons), but you can find test footage of Cage in the suit on RUclips.
That said, it's a weird ass cameo since most of the movie going public have no idea about that, and it's fucking weird to see Nick Cage as Superman, even with the context.
I'm assuming they were thinking people would freak out cause "the legend" was made real or some shit.
- oversaturation of old actor cameos
- (Mcu spiderman. Sony spiderman)
- generic idea multiverse Time travel changing time lines. (X men the last stand, endgame..)
End of the day it had alot spoiled from trailers and internet in general.
-The whole chaos of the dceu
This shouldve came out years ago. It deff wasnt good to come out so close to sonys spiderverse...and even no way home.
Im not wasting my money, ill catch it online eventually.
some highlights for me were i loved the action directing, the dceu character workcoming together was like peak marvel in the way it made me feel (that wonderwoman scene on the bridge had me dying) and obviously ezra went crazy for this knowing it was probably their last role LMAO
I actually really enjoyed it! Its the first superhero film I've enjoyed since No Way Home.
Yeah I think plot-wise I enjoyed the movie, except for the final confrontation with alt barry, which felt like a weird little speed bump instead of a more emotional realization for main barry. Like the future barry shows up, reveals who he is, they all take a break to look at the polar express dolls looking directly at the camera in silence, and then alt barry just kills himself and the confrontation is over. Why not have alt barry go insane and make it more impactful on main barry that he has to let things go, instead of him realizing that and then alt barry's future shows up just to be offed in 5 minutes. The
Action wise the movie fell apart, mostly because of the cgi. The 2 barrys on screen looked fine to me tbh, but as soon as the action is about to start you can see it turn into a ps3 mess.
It's worth noting... DC have kind of adapted Flashpoint to death at this point. The story is only 12 years old, but we already have animated depictions, live action depictions, the comic itself-
So it's not really going to draw the comic book core crowd either.
Not going to see a fictional story bc of one of the actors in it is dumb af to me, but that’s just me
The part where Keaton explained multiversal theory to the Barrys, I'm like:
How do you KNOW this? It's just explained and everyone takes it for granted that this is how it is.
And he uses fucking pasta to visualize it, and to dumb it down for the audience (Barry).
I guess the time that Bruce was in the cupboard he used his time studying quantum physics, and teaching said quantum physics to morons.
Actually tradition isn't that Barry's parents aren't mentioned. Tradition is that both of his parents are alive and healthy . His mom being killed is a pretty recent thing.
Well, recent, but due to the CW, the New 52 and Flashpoint it's the standard origin that Barry's mom was killed and his dad went to prison.
@@NoahRJitil And I absolutely hate it. It fundimentally lessens the character for me turning him into bargain bin Batman.
Barry's origin used to be that he was a kid who grew up reading comics and idolizing superheroes. And wanted to dedicate his life to just helping people because he's just a good guy. Then he got his powers and named himself after his hero The original Flash. He was a character driven by hope and joy. The new origin makes him someone who became a hero out of tragedy and regret.
@@KekkersboyMost adaptations that have the new origin still focus on him being a joyful and inherently good person.
@@Kekkersboyits weird how definitive this new backstory has become, I honestly never knew it wasn’t. Its like Dr Freeze except a lot worse ofc. But idk all the live-action stuff has incorporated it. Animation-wise im not sure cuz Justice League Unlimited etc never mentioned his parents and he was mostly a comic-relief in it
@@GuineaPigEveryday JLU Flash is Wally West and was made before all of that stuff
So tired of watching movies that are 90% CGI and 10% floating heads.
Here's what I think. Multiverse is an ancient comic retcon method, going back, at least, to the late 1950s. The very first multiverse cover was of a silver-age Flash. It originally comes from the Copenhagen Interpretation in Quantum Physics (Bohr) or the Multi World's explanation of Everett as ensconced in Wheeler Everett Graham couple of others as well, this was all in the twenties and what we got now is even more confusing. The first thing everyone mentions is the real crime here.
It took fourteen years to make this movie. You said it yourself, but what does that mean in the world of making a movie?
Making a film of this nature, laden with effects, cross references and marketing, toy manufacture tie ins, expensive, bankable stars, and so on involves the creation of a small town for some years. And an expense like you would not believe.
Hi. I'm David and I live not too far from Hollywood, and go there all the time. (I am a member of the AMA, the Magic Castle, and yes I know about London's Magic Circle, I belong to that too) I have worked in film. I know film people. I just thought I would drop in an opinion here because I found a lot of things about this film actually quite interesting. The portrayal of loop multi causality (sorry--big geek here) was even reminiscent of Robert Heinlein's "All You Zombies" ( and his almost identical "Jane") but without the sex.
How long do things take? That P, B and J scene (which has been done better) probably took five days or more to film, and that's just the part inside the sandwich place. (the part out on the street with the girls and the candy bar is almost certainly three more days. How expensive are things? Tens of thousands of dollars per minute. Not per minute of film, per minute of filming day. Many of the crews start work hours before a camera is turned on. If you ever get a chance, go work a day on a film set. (you can be background, what we used to call extras) But watch the people who actually do the work on a film set. They are amazingly skilled, efficient and professional. They are also all unionized. There are caterers, always a nurse, always production assistants to just pay attention to the rules, it's a small town. One of these big pictures might employ a couple of thousand people at once at the height of it's production.
Now, this is already nerve wracking and stupid, but there is so much pressure to risk that much money for so long (even a normal film is in business for about three years) brings in the elephant in the room. Finance. Corporations now run the studios. That means that people with MBA's run things.. (that's a Masters degree in Business Administration) they are the staff officers of modern business. Perhaps they are called something different in the UK. Anyway, this means that the most important thing in the film world is now tracking and predicting the movement of money. They post completion bonds, track analyses on running public opinion and so on. When they tell you the 'cost' of a film, that is what is called the 'negative' cost (archaic term, that was the cost of producing the film negative of an original film, in other words, the actual cost of creating the film right up until you are ready to manufacture prints and release the film) and is only the tiniest part of the Flash. Marketing, theater space, Advertising, Social Media Management, Legal and so on.
In the world of the MBA, nothing cannot be improved by micromanaging based only on cost analysis. I think you have the whole picture by now.
Then plug in this stuff:
"Ezra Miller has gone looney?"--Studio corporate (MBA) says "SAY NOTHING!!!" and nothing is said. Things are written around and recut. This is old hat. You think the studio didn't know Marilyn was suicidal? Think they didn't know Judy Garland was a drug addict? Movie stars go nuts. People go nuts. (to cut Ezra Miller the tiniest bit of slack, many people have gone nuts recently, for a very good analysis on why stress is leading to more mental illness, read The Myth of Normal by Canadian psychiatrist Gabor Mate.) He continues to act up, and, damnit, so do a lot of folks. (I live here, guys, and yes a lot of us know it's obscene. We are hiding under the beds. I looked into emigration and I think I already missed the time to do that. By about thirty years. The truth is that the privileged in this country have become as shielded and occult as Sherlock Holmes meets Cthulu. Trump couldn't be any more dangerous to us, and yet he still walks around free. Miller is displaying a progressive mental illness of some sort. I don't know if he can ever recover a career. But you understand a lot of this film was already in post production when Miller's behavior became more troublesome (all the way up to looney, illegal and beyond...but it's still a progression, creeping in right as the production was mounting. Which sounds very similar with other compulsive disorders (like addiction)
Pandemic-- The nature of cinema opening weekends was changed dramatically since 2019. I am a fan, and living here (Hollywood has the iconic film theaters, after all) I used to go to three films a week. Now I go to three films a year. The Cinerama Dome, one of the most iconic theaters in the world, has not yet even reopened. Many theaters are closed. Also, to get us through the pandemic, studio corporations (I am trying to emphasize that creative control is entirely in the hands of the bean counters, and that's why I don't just say studios. The studio used to be the artist, now it is the crayon.)studio corporations increased the production and release of escapist material. They released that into streaming, and built up streaming, ending some careers.
Burnout-- burnout happens a LOT in the comic book world. Maybe twenty times in the last fifty years comics have come to a dead halt. No matter what medium you are attending. Books, strips, newspapers, magazines, radio, film, television, animation, and so on. Sometimes for years, sometimes for a week or two.
Politics--enough said
Merger--see Politics, above
Money--Money is always the answer, we just don't know how to ask the question.
So imagine the room, or rooms, all over the world, where the analysts and market makers at Warners/HBO/DISCOVERY (etc, for reference watch the James Caan classic, ROLLERBALL) as all this is happening, and they keep deciding when to reach the most profitable point to pull the plug, and, voila, The Flash! Not just a train wreck, but a fully rotating Mongolian cluster flick (no offense to the people of Mongolia, without whose help this film could not have been made) (yes that's a riff on Bambi meets Godzilla) There are parts of it that are exquisite. I mean that. There are things that people find graphically inferior to other versions that they prefer. Sure. But that's also just a comic book vs movie thing. (e.g. Supermans Fortress of Solitude is built of Crystals, but only since the Christopher Reeves film) I believe THE FLASH will be a cult classic. Our first actual James Gunn verse film is still more than a year away. But then stop and think again, what about the people at Hasbro? or Kenner? or Mattel? (disney keeps most of this revenue in house) Of theater leases and popcorn and distribution and, believe it or not, restaurant revenues, parking, transportation and electrical power for the theaters. Giant slug of money involved.......
Maybe I need to get my own video podcast, again.
Just hearing their voices I feel like James and Mason should have a small one time voice acting role in some sort of adult swim show at 3am
Flash a solid 6/10 btw
I feel sorry for those that didn’t read the flashpoint comic,( what this movie is based on ) . Much more organized than this movie and a really good read
Even the flashpoint paradox is a much better movie than this and executes the storyline much better
i dunno who is which (long time viewer) but Mason going off on everything that was disgusting in the movie was amazing and his response to being asked if it needed more time with almost pure incredulity (took auto correct off sorry idk if i spelled it right) "yeah, give it another 10 years" was perfect for me
It would have been really cool if they found a way to put the Flash running through that scene in Superman III. It would be a good sight gag to have Barry stop and look very puzzled for a second before continuing on. Wouldn’t have to CGI anything.
I really want to get to the bottom of why there were so many positive reviews prior to its release.
it's called paid promotion. mystery solved
Eh a lot of people thought it was a fun movie. Myself included
Honestly the poor reception of the movie kinda baffles me because I saw it yesterday in a full theater with practically everyone seemingly enjoying it
And supposedly its bombing badly on my country, its really weird
At this point 'bribe money' is a major inclusion in any hollywood budget, just they won't list that publicly of course.