The dumbest part of this entire show is the premise that Nick Fury someone who didn't even know aliens were real until meeting the skrulls was going to go out and find a planet for the skrulls to live on. That's like sending out an Amish person to pick and buy a mobile phone for you.
yeah......but being a bad actress doesnt help. Nick Cage is in a shitload of garbage.....and he is quite often the highlight, no matter how bad the writing is.
The line that did it for me was when Fury tells Olivia Coleman’s Character “We can’t keep expecting these superheroes to save our ass”, as if his whole purpose for the last 15 years wasn’t to get the avengers together large scale threats
Not to defend it in anyway but I kinda took it as Fury feeling awkward about how to explain to the Avengers how he has a vial of all their DNA. So he decided to keep it from them. Still with the Avengers deployed the threat would have been neutralised before that info even got out. So yeah, bad writing.
"Should we call captain Marvel?" "No ... I must do this myself." "Really? How?" "Uh, good point, give captain marvels powers to Gaia and have her go in my place."
Seems like the real reason not to call the Avengers is that the Avengers might be Skrulls. As evidenced by the fact that one of the Avengers was totally a Skrull.
The greatest irony is that DC's *_Peacemaker_* pulled off the whole secret alien invasion storyline phenomenally better than a show called _Secret Invasion_
most people dont know about it but imo the best adaptation of the marvel secret invasion arc is in their cartoon series "Avengers: Earths Mightiest Heroes", i cant explain in words how good the writing of that arc is. ever since i saw that years ago, i always thought to myself that marvel can seriously copy that stuff 1to1 in a live action movie and it would rain them money, such a failed opportunity
Seems they also did the whole "this person I'm pretending to be had a life" as well from what I heard in the video, I haven't seen this show so I can't say it was better tho
They literally have pretty much the whole game of thrones cast! Besides Lena Hadley and Nicholas whatever ! Brown be of Tarth played in Star Wars not much but Disney.
The MCU has become the beer guzzler drop whose idea of romance is a boozy grope, a messy slobber filled kiss, a thrust, a grunt, a roll over, followed by a freight-train fart and snore-a-thon
@@victorpradha9946 Hey I fart on you to mark my territory we sleep back to back because we guard each other sigh. If I had to hold on to you all night it would show I was worried you'd run off. My farts are my scent marking and my snores are my deep sleep trust in you. If you find a man and he doesn't snore or fart now that is sus. Men make noise and make smells that's kind of our thing. Maybe you're looking for a lady? They don't fart.
To be honest, that’s a criticism that people have been levelling at the MCU ever since Iron Man 2, but up till now it hasn’t really mattered because what they used to churn out was mostly good.
I can't help it but I imagine her, maybe having some "private time" with herself and using the weird Drax arm that is somehow large and tiny at the same time. I just threw up in my mouth.
It’s so weird. It feels like her head is too big for her body, or her arm is too big OR (and this is the worst one) her arm is an inflatable balloon with Drax tattoos. HAVING DRAX’S DNA DOESNT GIVE YOU TATTOOS
I think they could have killed two birds with one stone by explaining that Fury couldn’t call the Avengers cause he didn’t know if they were replaced or not. That would have been a much better explanation for why he didn’t call them and serve to heighten the tension. This way you can see how serious Fury considers the Skrull threat because they have caused him to not even trust the Avengers. They don’t really play with that kind of paranoia in the show. They never speculate on who has been replaced. They never accuse anyone who didn’t turn out to be a Skrull. They just sort of know who’s a Skrull when the plot needs them to without any investigation.
Yeah they did that in the Avengers: EMH series, with him going off the grid and conducting his own private investigation, which was smart considering that Captain America was the FIRST person replaced onscreen so Fury really couldn't trust the Avengers after all. He even had a big ol' board in his hideout of people he was trying to eliminate as Skrull suspects. Pity this show did none of that.
@@jacksimpson8529 they just forgot the premise of skrulls can be anyone and did more of a, there are some aliens who look like people and a handful of them are also in powerful positions, the skrulls never change who they are except to try and make fury take the blame for killing the woman from how i met ur mother. Plus, where is the secret invasion movie even gonna go. Marvel wants to do an interconnected cinematic universe but doesnt interconnect shit, the skrulls done been around for a long time yet only now do we get to see any effects of that, the GOTG exist and travel thru many inhabited worlds, yet the skrulls decide to stay on earth withouth any reason, we have so much bullshit abt the multiverse yet all t he characters we give a fuck abt are on the same universe. To me they should've used the multiverse to justify doing different takes on many characters, maybe we get a couple movies about a different universe where Loki and Thor switched positions, maybe we see a world where x or y happens, we get to build an affection to those characters the way we are supposed to with any past movie, bring back Iron Man but make it a different guy, bring us an ultron that was a hero where Vision was villainous, maybe a Vision who got a diff stone, make us build relationships and maybe once you do a kang dynasty avengers movie, where before the team up was a bunch of heroes from diff movies, now we get heroes from diff universes. Instead of doing absolutely anththing that's interesting with the concepts they put forward, marvel seems to only do gimmicks, that's what they are, they add buzzowrds use them sparingly and withouth purpose, that whole doctor strange movie with multiverse in the name, the multiverse ddint' even matter
@@jacksimpson8529 Here is a man who appreciates the classics. Earth’s Mightiest Heroes is an amazing show. Its Secret Invasion arch blows this one out of the water.
Yeah, Fury should have been WAY more paranoid in general during the whole show. Have him develop a detector or something. He just casually talks to people he trusts but has absolutely no way of actually knowing that they aren't a skrull, even if it's just for that one specific time he's meeting them.
The "character ends right back where they started" thing has been a consistent issue with these shows. Like, I know things happened, but it makes it feel like NOTHING happened.
Secret Invasion is like taking the entire infinity gauntlet storyline that was told over TEN YEARS and TWENTY-TWO films and cutting it down to a 6-episode tv miniseries.
It’s funny because Bendis’s crossover events (like Secret Invasion) always had that vibe as well. People joke that Age of Ultron the movie was more like Day of Ultron, but the comic is also basically that.
That would have been awesome. And it would have allowed the whole super Skrull thing to play out in an organic way over several movies, with him growing more powerful in each one, finally necessitating a team up to stop him.
And they had the PERFECT entry point with the blip. Skrulls assuming identities of those who blipped, then 5 years later those same people come back. Some of those humans get killed, and others find out someone took their place and absolute chaos ensues. It would have allowed earth based stories to have a point and they can still do the cosmic storylines to set up Kang and multiverse but take their time so it could act as a universe reset after battle world. So yes, eventually secret invasion wouldn't matter necessarily but there would be a decade long journey to get there and there would be two massive events in between that time with secret invasion and Kang. At least then it would be clear what two storyline are going on concurrently. Not this hot mess with random shows and properties that won't be renewed or matter.
The problem is i don't think they have planned and overa rching story beyond infinity war. They've just been like ok Kang is the new Threat all the movies and shows do your own thing but here's a few notes that we want to hit. Like how do you have billion dollar franchise and not a team of like 20-50 researcher/writers building the stories to be told so that it's all cohesive, at this point probably feed AI all the comics and it would spit out a more cohesive story line (with spots of garbage) The fact that in 30mins we've in these discussions all come up with better storylines that both impact the overall story and make a better tvshow
Just to give you a plot summary: Decades ago Nick Fury promised to help Skrulls find a new home in exchange for their service, but after realizing he can never find a home for them, he stays quiet and kept using them as lapdogs. After the Blip, Nick Fury just abandoned them and hide in space, only came back after a young Skrull started a rebellion. After getting 2 of his best friends killed because he sucks at his job, someone else took out the rebellion leader for him, but the whole event started an all out race war towards the Skrulls. However, instead of trying to fix that or stop it, Nick Fury once again abandon everyone and hide back to his space with his wife, leaving all Skrulls on Earth to fend for themselves
It’s funny when you realize how little thought and logic was put into this. The Avengers, with Carol and Rhodey present, killed Thanos in 2018 thus making his vacation planet now abandoned and habitable. They would’ve and should’ve told the Skrulls right lol…
Titan would've been the perfect home. Still had some infrastructure left from the previous inhabitants and the air was breathable. They clearly put no thought into this🤦🏾♂️
The rings and the tattoos appearing when they use those characters' powers is so hilarious and insane. I'm honestly shocked neither had Bucky's arm at any point; would've made just as much sense.
@@delmarfrazier2727 if you can't tell a character's arm without a ring on each finger, you're probably not super familiar with the movies. Better to just use a recognizable strong character's arm (e.g. Hulk) than inexplicably have a tattooed arm of a less strong character when that makes no sense from a DNA perspective. It's just basic logic.
When I realised that what fury was retrieving from THREE different high-tech-secret compartments in that graveyard was a freaking pistol, a trenchcoat and an eye-patch I just burst-out laughing and lost all hope for this show to be even a tiny bit good
I am storing my good pair of jeans, my favorite sweatshirt, and my multitool in 3 secret, disguised vaults in the local library revealed only when you pull on a specific combination of books.
Then why do you even watch stuff like this if you can't handle the goofiness and campiness of it,it's a superhero property,fxck off and go watch the news or something.
The idea of having a skrull take the face of Fury’s dead son would have been so great. Would have let us have some personal conflict and a real connection between hero and villain
I thought it was gonna be like he idolised him and felt like a son, so wanted to look like his potential son, then felt betrayed. But I guess if they did that then that would mean something would of happened
Yeah I don‘t think writers get to do much of creative control in this MCU. I guess their task is just to try and write a cohesive story around the latest corporate decisions made on a higher level for this franchise, while also having to readjust and rewrite at every moment …
I feel like this series would’ve been waaay better if the ending was actually the beginning. Like episode one, Rhodey is killed in a very public way and it’s revealed that he’s a Skrull. The world gets thrown into a “Green Panic” with people killing random people in a desperate attempt to weed out the Skrulls. Entire governments begin to crumble because no one can be trusted. Fury comes back to both stop the secret invasion but also save the good Skrulls from a planet that wants them dead. Bonus points if you bring back Coulson and question whether or not he’s a Skrull.
They'd also need to have more 'good Skrulls' in the series, because at best there was ONE in Talos. It was ONLY him consistently trying to promote co-existence and stop Gravik's plans, all the other ones were either helping Gravik or just sitting back and doing nothing despite knowing about it, which doesn't paint a very good image of the Skrulls in general. Even Giah, by the end, didn't really care about humanity or co-existence, she just fought Gravik for vengeance for her parents' deaths, after previously helping Gravik arrange a terrorist attack and then flip-flopping back and forth on helping or not till Talos died. Especially with the reveal that the SKRULLS started the Kree-Skrull war from *Captain Marvel.* Based off what we see in the show and how they start acting, it really does seem more likely that there are in fact habitable planets out there but the Skrulls have pissed off too much of the galaxy to safely settle on them, because they've been warmongering, entitled dicks for most of their spacefaring existence till they bit off more than they could chew with the Kree and got stomped for it.
Wow, that sounds suspiciously like how the actual "Secret Invasion" comic did this. It's almost like they had a pretty good outline, obviously changes needed to be made for the MCU, and told the people involved to not even bother reading the original.
If only. The people at Disney are actively trying to kill the MCU. Why? Who knows. But the number of horrible decisions they've been making, considering all of the source material they have available tells its own story.
You know you done fucked up when literally every novice writer can make a better plot in 3 lines on a random youtube video, than these professional writers can do.
your idea about kamala using “weaker” powers to her advantage over a big bad is literally sooo good, and i love seeing similar tropes in super hero media. god what a wasted opportunity
@@Hat_With_A_Hat_OnMakes you wonder why either of them didn't just summon the infinity gauntlet and all the infinity stones and just create a new earth for Skrulls to live on.
What baffles me the most is how this story ends with virtually nothing changed. Fury came down from space to end up back in space, and the Skrull problem remains (and arguably worsened). The only real change is that a couple characters that haven’t mattered for a while died, and the reveal of major Skrull replacements amounts to nothing because there’s no real agreement on when they were replaced. And some of the answers to that lessen previous emotional beats. It’s a hot mess. To say nothing of Emelia Clarke’s anchor arms.
There's a great video on RUclips called Marvel Defenders of The Status Quo. This series is like the epitome of it, where the series ends exactly as it begun.
Because hey by the way Kree are suddenly open to peace talks for some reason. Problem solved thanks to none of the characters on this show. How did we not see on Kree or Nova Corp member? John C Reliey should have been in this.
Large and important storylines are generally much better suited to mini-series than movies, since you have time to flesh things out. This was just done badly.
@@jethrojacinto2798 not entirely. Moon Knight, Hawkeye, Wandavision, and Shang chi was good. It’s actually astounding how much the quality dipped. They had issues but overall was good.
Olivia Coleman was unironically the brightest spot in this. Everyone else seemed to be phoning it in or reacting stiffly to overblown cgi/greenscreen. She actually seemed like she was having fun, prolly won't happen, but it'd be dope to see her in a marvel project that doesn't suck
I would also argue that Sam Jackson was, for the most part, pretty damn good in this show. He nailed a lot of those monologues. He couldn’t carry this wreck of a show but still
A good move for Marvel would be to have Olivia Coleman as head of MI:13, working with Captain Britain to put together the MCU’s answer to Excalibur. Cap Britain, Blade, Black Knight, introduce Kitty Pryde and Kurt Warner as exchange students or tourists.
THIS! I'm so confused as to how Marvel failed the "who can you trust" plot when they did it successfully in AoS Season 4. They even pulled in the power-stealing-from-DNA plot from Season 7. Marvel had the blueprint... and they didn't follow it
the idea that there is no habitable planet for the Skrull´s to live in is the strangest decision to do from a screenwriters perspective. Special when Guardians, Capitan Marvel and Thor show that they are multiple planets that can inhabited by them.
This show demonstrates a pretty good reason why nobody wanted Skrulls on their planet in Cpt Marvel, they ruin everything just by existing with their powers. Kick them out, Mr President!
@@balmung7599 dude, I don't think you understand what I said. Fury and Marvel know about this place now. She could've taken tge Skrulls there after infinity war, or Fury would've heard about it after Endgame. It's still total BS.
@@vindurza100%. There’s a lot of people in the comments using this show to say “I guess the writers shouldn’t be paid more after all”, but what Secret Invasion actually proves is how rushed turnaround leads to a mediocre final product (like, the literal thing they’re striking over lol)
Is called subterfuge, you can still work against someone from the inside, fuck shield was full of hydra agents since ww2 you didnt think it was weird when that happened did you?
@@jasongreen6826 Shield was not full of Hydra agents since ww2, the infiltration of Shield by Hydra took decades. Also, we know that Gravik wasn't rogue until some time after Endgame because HE was on the team to collect the Harvest, so he would have just kept some of it at the time if he wanted to be a superskrull back then.
@@jasongreen6826 Look man, everything after Endgame with maybe the exception of Loki was a complete crapshoot, nothing matters anymore. The only things people genuinely seem to have enjoyed collectively have been the Spiderman movies. I think Dr Strange, Gaurdians, and Loki were alright, some like wandavision, but... honestly, the bar has dropped so far to the point that most of these shows are just rushed crap.
It’s honestly a real shame both the Skrulls & the snap were never implemented into Agents of Shield cause I feel like that show could’ve used them effectively and could’ve planted the seeds for a better Secret Invasion storyline instead of just ignoring MCU continuity completely in its last two seasons.
@@Molly-555I really hate how Kevin Feige likes to pretend those shows done by Ike Perlmutter & Jeph Loeb don’t exist only to then completely turn back around and bring back both Matt Murdock & Kingpin from Daredevil and even Black Bolt from Inhumans.
After Infinity War, I thought that’s what would happen. AOS was perfectly placed to show what happened at the ground level, like they did with Shield after Winter Soldier.
It’s hilarious. Like 2 kindergartners acting out fights in the playground and just activating random shit and saying “no you didn’t hit me cause I have hulks power to jump”
The worse part of this show is that I could think of infinite ways to make it better with 10 minutes of brainstorming. They could’ve had the public freak out about Skrulls way earlier so everything Gravik did actually makes sense. They couldve shown Skrulls assimilating ppl who died of freak accidents so ppl can find out their loved ones have been dead for years and the ones they know are completely different ppl. They could’ve done a flashback of a younger version of the human gravik getting shot in the first episode and then revealing in the finale that it was gravik doing the shooting and taking the dead guys face. Gravik should’ve just been Fury’s skrull wife’s son and he could’ve then hated Fury for treating him like a soldier when he wanted a dad. They could’ve had Fury’s wife have secret meetings with Gravik but not to help him just to try and talk him down up until she learns Fury isn’t actually helping the Skrulls then she gives him information. They could’ve had a conversation between Maria Hill and Fury where he admits to giving up on the skrulls years ago to add intrigue. They couldve had Rhodey and Fury in a flashback have some significant conversation and then Rhodey be more like himself in the present and pretend to help Fury but say something that goes against himself in the flashback. Why did they try so hard to have Fury be a good guy he’s NICK FURY and he’s played by SAMUEL L JACKSON that’s the perfect situation for a the end justify the means type character. WHY DOES GAIA HELP THE HUMANS she has literally no attachment to them whatsoever the only one she knows is Fury and he got her dad killed. GAHHHH this show frustrates me so much.
To your first point seriously they could've just glanced at the X-men movies to figure out a better motivation for wiping out the human race other than "mean man broke a promise when I was 9 years old". Especially considering the fact that THEY'VE BEEN LIVING PERFECTLY FINE ON THE PLANET FOR 30 YEARS AND COULD JUST STAY
This show takes place after End Game. USE ENDGAME. Skrulls taking over the lives of people blipped, pretending they've been there all along. Give us some insight into what happened after infinity war! If a bunch of people are missing and then Skrulls show up as them, it might raise a few flags, but go mostly unnoticed. Suddenly everyone comes back and is finding duplicates of themselves! NOW who is real and who is a Skrull? A lot of the motivations could still stay the same, have one or two avengers here and there, but just in putting it in that time period of the 5 years and directly after end game would have built up its own stakes.
If he was replaced after Civil War, any cool or interesting scenes with Rhodey are ruined now. That little heart-to-heart with Nebula where they reflect on how they 'weren't always like this,' referring to their robotic prosthetics and the physical trauma they endured. That's ruined now. Rhodey being the first one there when his best friend Tony died. Ruined. This completely undercuts any character development for him for the sake of a plot twist in spin off tv show.
Having James Rhodes a skrull since Civil War kind of deflates the emotional impact when he says his goodbye to Tony. It also means that he didn't get a chance to have a send off with his life long friend.
1. Don't kill Maria Hill 2. Have her be a skrull 3 have that skrull BE Emilia Clarke, who is playing Talos against Fury. 4. Have Gravik already be president and the rhodey reveal comes when Maria Hill turns on Nick by framing him and the president supports it and seems innocently duped but is actually who EC is working for.
Nowhere does it say he was a Skrull since Civil War. "But he was wearing a hospital gown!" Yes, and those garments have been in circulation post-2016, it's not remarkable.
These two are exceedingly kind when it comes to their reviews and analysis, even when a film deserves to get rinsed-and even they couldn’t stomach this. Listen up Disney. You blew it!
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411I have wondered this. There's older stuff they've been harsh on and this newer stuff which is widely considered crap that they're very kind on. The lower viewer figures probably indicate why
@@maverickmic I don’t mind it. I always think it’s cringe whenever reviewers act like a movie/show is the worst thing in the world. Reminds me of those channel awesome videos 💀
@@Thaone-cl4ms Agreed! I am looking at the recommended videos right now and you see "MARVEL IS DEAD" with a thumbnail of Secret Invasion. Like calm the fuck down. It was garbage, but I hardly doubt Marvel is just going to stop. Look at the excitement just from Loki S2 trailer. I think its fine to be chill in your disdain for something. In fact that could be because they have cooled on Marvel in general, and so don't feel the need to get so up in arms, because they don't care as much anymore (that's basically how I feel about MCU these days).
@@Weyland_Punani funny because in this video they admit to not liking Quantumania and I remember them being rather harsh on Thor L&T. I think you're just trolling at this point. Just because James and Mason have higher than a elementary school student vernacular and don't just come out and say "this is doodoo" doesn't mean they are not shitting on something. And most people will tell you Loki is one of the better projects. Again. You're trolling or not able to keep up
I... honestly forgot that Secret Invasion was even coming, and now it's done. And this is the first I've heard about it. I used to be big into marvel stuff, and now... I didn't even know one of the shows happened! They lost me so long ago. And I know I'm not alone in that.
@@prince_nocturne True, although i did like Maria and thought the 2 little guys on the ground being nick and maria was cool. They did them both dirty in this show.
@@mgnilquenta I liked Loki season 1, Moon Knight was great and made me forget it was a marvel show a lot (which is... unfortunately a compliment), and Wandavision... dragged but was mostly good. Bit of a weak ending, but fine for what it was. And Ms Marvel wasn't bad either, and it could have been a LOT worse, as proved by She Hulk. I was already one foot out the door, and She Hulk shoved me the rest of the way.
Ultimately it was soulless. Everything doesn’t have to be incredible and there always has to be something at the bottom of the list. But it was clear in this series that they didn’t know what they wanted to do or why they wanted to do it. Which is why nothing happened.
I think the glaring issue with most of the TV shows is that in the end the characters are essentially reset to where they were at the start of the show. Because they generally want people who only watch the movies to still understand what’s happening. So they basically become little fully missable fluff pieces, that at most add a little flavor to the characters but nothing really big changes
Well, otherwise you have a Dr Strange 2 thing, where if you didn't watch Wandavision, you don't understand what the hell is up with Wanda. Most moviegoers still don't watch D+ series, and they shouldn't.
@@vodkavecz I can't tell you how confused i was. I didn't have Disney+ at the time. I asked my friend what I needed to know before we went to watch Doctor Strange 2 and he said "I'm not going to bother explaining because it's way too much. You are going to be confused"
@@davidshillaker7578 Wanda was in grief after losing Vision and accidentally took a town hostage to give herself a fake family. Now that she has discovered how powerful she is, she is trying to get her family back. Boom, two sentences, done. People really overstate how confusing these things are.
@@Danbo22987 Except you also have to explain how she took over a town, why she went from a grieving widow to an omnipowerful eldritch abomination, and also explain where she got the power to become a multiversal threat in the first place. Or why, after doing it once, she couldn't do it again, if wanda was already willing to delete people just for getting in her way in the first place.
My biggest gripe with this series was how it completely undermined all of what made Fury an amazing character. I hated the conversation where Talos took credit for all of Fury's espionage accomplishments! Even going so far as to imply that he was responsible for Fury's promotions over the years.
It was a weird decision to start the show with Skrulls having already replaced a bunch of world leaders and important people. So when you think about it, they're already winning. They're not that far from taking over all the nations of the earth. Why does Gravik need to come in to try to wipe out all humans? Gravik could just wait a couple of years and the Skrulls would be in control of earth. It would have made way more sense for the Skrull council to be the main villains. Because why would Fury be cool with Skrulls replacing the leaders of entire nations? The show should have been about Fury trying to expose this massive conspiracy of Skrulls while also trying to prevent the world from falling into complete chaos. It should have been a tense thriller where Fury is trying to stop the Skrulls but he's also trying to do it in a way to prevent mass panic and people from becoming extremely paranoid and turning on each other. There'd be a good reason not to involve the Avengers since they don't know who the Avengers should go after. If they suspect the US President is a Skrull, they can't just send the Avengers to fight the President because what if they're wrong and the President isn't a Skrull. Then they've started a war between the US government and the Avengers. And the Avengers themselves depend on information gathered by other people. A Skrull could infiltrate governments and give the Avengers bad intel, sending them out to attack an innocent target and cause an international incident.
@@delmarfrazier2727 Um ok. I didn't know that. I mean Rocket doesn't have any super powers. He's just a cyborg, Gamorra...same. So, sorry I missed this?
Which would have been great if she wasnt just a complete mary sue character who did what we should have watched Nick do the entire time. I thought it was a show about Nick and not her. But oh well, just another strong male character in the bin.
Secret Invasion was done a lot better in a Doctor Who two-parter called ‘The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion’. The Zygons can shape-shift into humans (just like the Skrulls) and they play a lot on the “who is or isn’t a Zygon” paranoia. It even tackles both immigration and the senselessness of war. And even better than that, it was set up by the events of the 50th anniversary episode.
The thing that always bothered me about that two-parter is it seems fucking weird to position your refugees as a bunch of defeated would-be invaders. Especially when the plot is that they are trying to take over again (and have done so 16 times prior).
@@ExhaustedWombat Oh I totally get that. The episodes want to portray the Zygons as both the victims and still have them as the main villains (they do say it's a faction and the majority of Zygons are peaceful and just want to integrate but it doesn't fully gel). So in that regard, I don't think it's perfect in what it wants to achieve but at least it actually tries. It uses the open ending from Day of the Doctor and explores the ramifications of what a decision like that could have, which is far more than what Secret Invasion ever achieves in 1/3 of the time
@@NickName183 no question it was better and a large part of that is due to having an actual theme it wants to grapple with. Flawed or no that is light years ahead of Secret Invasion which is a very empty experience.
@@ExhaustedWombatyou need to know the context was post 9/11 when a lot of Islamophobia led to fully legitimate refugees being denied entry/mistreated and deemed 'terror threats/invaders' even when they were children or babies! To this day Australia and the UK have horrible racist policies of 'turning back' or locking up refugees in case they are terrorists/criminals in disguise. This hate also was strong in the original Secret Invasion comics. What's really frustrating is that Marvel did a genius move in treating the Skrull as a 'complex' race with a history of both being the invaders, and invaded. The story of Captain Marvel/Fury is promising to find a home for these illegal refugees who came in via a spaceship (aka boat people) but instead of giving them a home on earth they promise them a home somewhere else. Oh but at no point does Carol, Fury, Or the ENTIRE AVENGERS LINEUP including Thor the space viking god who rules over multiple planets manage to find them a planet to call home??!. Then during The Snap, after seeing ASGARDS given a home on Earth the Scrulls decide why not do the same?!? Fury goes scitzo when he's told of this and hates on his "friend" and oldest Skrull ally calling him a 'dog who he has to clean up after'. Post snap he abandons his Skrull Wife and goes off to space to leave the Skrull sort out his mess. By the end we get no explainer for why Fury failed - just a BS excuse by someone pretending to be Fury. The only promise the MCU makes is that the Skrull may get a peace treaty to return to space or risk being hunted down on earth. The series wasted it's entire arc to set up these big themes of racism, refugees, hate and 'illegal aliens' - only for the series to be 'Fury can't be anti skrull cause he married one and now he actually invited her to space with him. It fridged Maria Hill and Talos - a women and a 'alien minority' all to give motivation to the lead American to 'save' the world from the "Bad" Europeans/UK and Refugee Aliens. It sucked because the series didn't have a ending - it just had stuff happened to set up a big event, but didn't bother to connect to the Marvels or any upcoming MCU show to promise a ending to the story.
Marvel managed to make a story so frustrating that the boys didn't take the time to make a Blue Harvest reference. And that's the Green-blooded Trivia for this ep *screams Rodney, but slowed and down-pitched to indicate despair
Does anybody else ever notice that the MCU shows always seem to overlook that half of the entire population of the entire galaxy was gone for five years and magically back? Like half those skrulls would be gone, especially the ones on the spaceship with nick fury. And what would happen to the skrulls when they came back on earth? Would they be human form or skrull form?
Yeah so much stuff would have gone down post endgame, and theres been nothing. Like what do other civilisations in space think about earth, now that this insignificant little planet saved half the universe.
Most stuff on RUclips I just turn off my phone and listen. But the editing in Mrsundaymovies' videos are top tier. The references and memes are on point and I'd hate to miss a second of it *thorever
What this series lacked was the sense of drama, tension and suspense that Captain America: The Winter Soldier managed to convey when a rogue group of individuals managed to infiltrate multiple countries around the world. Same concept with Skrulls, but different motivations. For the series finale, it felt like it was just slapped together. "Here's the boss fight you wanted."
I wanted Capt. to be a Skrull Had he Died in the plane crash from The First Avenger and the government under Undercover Hydra control uses his memory to impersonate Cap
"You can't get me to care" Watching any Marvel property post Endgame is like finishing the main story and then completing the side quests you missed. That's the problem.
Honestly, that’s such a great analogy. Maybe that’s why Loki is one of the best post Endgame MCU project is because it actually feels like it continues the overall story.
My two favorite things about this show are that none of the players ever develop any systems or habits to check if the person they're talking to is actually that person, and the absolute ease and casual nature in which Fury 'infiltrates' the president's security perimeter twice. Oh a bonus thing is that the two big deaths didn't actually matter to the plot in any way.
i liked how easy it was to attack the president of USA .....guy was going with 3 or 4 car and a chopper came right infront of them and blow up one of the car like it was just another Tuesday.. One would think after several alien invasion at least president of the USA would have the most tight security on the planet but i guess we just need a helicopter to kill the president....this show literally insult the intelligence of their audience
As soon as I saw Fury walking in to the nuclear site with complete disregard for his health, stumbling around, I immediately guessed it was Emilia Clarke and the whole rest of that section of the episode lost the majority of it's tension. They almost had me believing it was Fury for a second then all those shots in the hospital not showing us who was doing the off camera killing just cemented it for me.
@@TheJesselopez1981True! I mean, they could have handwaved some magical medical BS on the Skrull ship to save him, but that just solves a problem with a different problem.
They didn't even need to fight Gravik, right? The ticking clock was whether the President would strike Russia or not, which they had a plan to stop. Taking the harvest to Gravik is an unnecessary risk!
It felt to me like the reveal should have been that Skrulls had actually been around since the 90s, and had been there the WHOLE TIME. At the end of Far From Home we saw Hill/Fury transform into Talos and his wife, and I honestly thought it was going to be that Maria Hill had ALWAYS been a Skrull (albeit a good one). Same with Rhodey - he was so deep undercover that he had to fake having his spine broken in Civil War to keep the illusion up, and now he was finally able to shrug it off and be his true villainous self. Same again with Everett Ross - deep cover agent stealing intel from the Wakandans. Y'know, stuff with actual stakes and consequences? But like, introducing a handful of new characters, having some of them be Skrulls, and then having them only be Skrulls RECENTLY just... doesn't do anything. It's a nothing sandwich. Not to mention killing off well loved characters fairly cheaply and without consequence. Remember when Coulson dying became the catalyst for The Avengers forming? Maria Hill deserved at least that much respect, if not more. Super-Skrull is a cool enough concept for a brute, but seriously, ALL of the powers? If they just got the genetics from the Endgame fight, how come transforming your hands into Ebony Maw generates his rings and produces telepathy? It just not thought through at all. This should have been a paranoid thriller akin to Invasion of the Body Snatchers or The Thing, but instead we just got... kinda of a loose fart.
I would have loved if Maria Hill was always a Skrull in the MCU, especially with the retcon that basically everything Fury has ever done of importance was done by the skrulls. A Skrull who lived a human life as Fury's most trusted Shield agent would have been a far better "MC companion" than his skrull wife, that we literally only learn about in this show! It would have gotten through the concept of Fury's deep connection with the skrulls to not only have one as a deep friend (supposedly - the relationship between Fury and Talos was horrible in this, absolutely pathetic) but also have one whom he fully trusts his life and secrets with. It would have done so much for the skrulls existence as a story beat in this universe. Such wasted potential. Instead we are given characters we don't care about to take center stage. At least Olivia Coleman's character was a treat to watch. And there was some genuine (if clearly unintended) tension on whether she herself was a skrull or not. Really bumped up the heart rate when Fury goes to get the Harvest and you have to wonder "oh is she gonna reveal herself and steal the harvest?" Cause that was just a really casual way of him revealing a genetic nuclear arsenal right there in that scene... would have been interesting if literally anything happened there.
Bro you literally made a better story about Kamala Khan than Disney will be able to write in a long time... and it took you zero dollars and 30 seconds.
Your idea for the Marvels movie, with the enemy getting four top tier power sets and Kamala beating her anyway because she knows the hero’s so well, is MILES better than any idea I have heard from the studio
and it only took them 5 seconds of thinking to actually come up with that idea. Its what happens when you have actual comicbook and film fans brainstorm for a second, which i cant say for anyone at marvel studios.
@@mydavegabicycle She’s a giant Avenger’s nerd, which is super charming (the actress nails it). The show is good, with a couple of great episodes, but fumbles the ending as per usual.
I think the biggest issue with these skrulls being hidden as humans is that we don’t see at all what type of damage they’re causing while hidden. Like why did it matter that Ross was a skrull? He didn’t steal any vibranium or double cross wakanda. Matter of fact he was an ally…so him being a skrull meant absolutely nothing. It would’ve been cool if there were skrulls in wakanda or something or if they showed skrulls trying to secretly take over the world instead of something super loud
Imagine if in Invasion of the Body Snatchers, we knew who was replaced by an alien pod pretty much at the start, no additional characters were ever replaced, and the Body Snatchers carefully kept all of the originals alive so they could be rescued later.
Nando v Movies said it right in his video: it's been 4 years since the last Avengers movie with the all star cast. Secret Invasion should've been a big Avengers type movie, with big characters, and big reveals, not being sure who is a skrull, etc. And they did this Skrull story in the animated series too, and there it worked. A 2 and a half or 3 hour long, big budget Avengers movie could've made the story work way better.
Earth's Mightiest Heroes did Secret Invasion so well. They sowed the seeds like 10 episodes in or something like that without us even knowing. The end of season 1 puts it in full swing. Season 2 executed it perfectly. That's what this show should have been
Honestly, even without the biggies, let us wonder. Let the support people possibly be skulls. Maria Hill and Colson should have been shady and made us wonder. Bring in Sharon Carter. Idk, I enjoyed it until the last episode when it just... ended
the idea that none of rhodey's development in iw or endgame actually mattered and that the real rhodey didn't get to go to his best friend's funeral is infuriating
By having Ebony Maw’s DNA there’s the implication that someone had to track down the pointy brick Strange and Wong hit him in the face with. I love the idea that someone had to go do that.
Wasn't the implication that he bled on the battlefield in upstate new York? Even IF they got it from bleecker street.. isn't that something damage control would clean up?.. and wouldn't they have some connection to shield/sword? Or at the very least fury would have a skrull embedded in there ?
@@johnnytee911 Oh you’re right- it probably was there- I almost forgot there were 2 Maws since the Black Order’s role was so minimal in Endgame. I was just thinking of the one time we for sure saw him bleed- then again it’s odd that there’s blood left from the Endgame one since he was erased from existence. Same sort of thing with part of Venom staying in the MCU- it’s doesn’t really add up but its ok.
@@johnnytee911 I thought the black order was pretty good in infinity war. Not main villains, but filler villains suited their character much more than 4 main villain bad guys.
@@scotttimbrell8632 Better than Endgame for sure- and yeah, Proxima and Maw were both pretty good at just being dislikable obstacles. Glaive and Dwarf/Obsidian weren’t as well treated.
I only really felt his screen presence twice in this series: the many Graviks moment (dulled impact due to trailer use) and the bit in this finale where he yelled a bunch. The rest of the time, he was just bland. I'd been expecting early on that he'd be a fakeout.
I had to check if the actor was Welsh as he didn’t half sound like it. Turns out he’s from London. Gravik’s first mission must have been in Cardiff or something.
If you ask me, the writers strike have kind of confirmed what's been happening behind the scenes for a while with all these major movies, and why production's been all over the place
MCU should've ended after End Game and nothing that came out (besides the Spider-Man films, which could've been their own spinoff) has changed my mind.
@@avastone5539the writers are the ones responsible for marvel when it was at its best. The more corporatized it became the more trash it became. Shehulk was literally made to fill corporate quotas
The more I think about it, the more I think that the Skrulls should have been the next arc. The MCU wanted Kang the Conquerer to replace Thanos? Sure, he can be possible with futuristic technology and stuff, but the only way they can stretch him over an arc is to face different multiverse versions of him each movie, and that gets old. With Skrulls, each movie they could drop a hint that such and such a character is a Skrull, setting up the Secret Wars movie just like Thanos would make an end credits scene to set up Infinity War.
It would only get old in your opinion. We've already seen 2 kangs, both have interesting and great screen presence and character, both with different objectives and strengths, what is to say we dont get more interesting characters like that where each main hero has to face one and defeat them and then in the next avengers they have to fight a whole host of them to stop them conquering earth in another mighty battle that is larger than the force Thanos brought to earth. An army of Kangs, not alien creatures. To me that is interesting, to me thats what the comics did and everyone has enjoyed, to you I guess youre just assuming it will be the same Kang over and over and over?
@@scotttimbrell8632, I was already bored of Kang by Quantumania, the idea that we have to deal with this boring maniac for a bunch more movies is exhausting.
@@Jaydee8652Again, that's your opinion. I think the 2 we have seen are interesting and we're portrayed well and interesting enough as high stake villains.
Thank god they mentioned Ebony Maw because that was driving me insane, HIS POWERS AREN'T GENETIC ffs and the director saying he "thinks" Rhodey has been a skrull since civil war was hilarious and just shows how little the writers communicate and how having multiple writers is a bad idea
This show felt like Marvel's insane secrecy around their plotlines (even from their own actors) has finally caught up to them. Now even the plot of the series doesn't want to show what happens so it keeps it a secret for the next thing.
Imagine if talos is never seen in his skrull form until the ends & he reveals he’s gravik & there is an emotional scene where gravik yells about how fury couldn’t even tell it wasn’t really talos. That would’ve had some kind of emotional weight behind it.
Rhodey got some decent character stuff after Civil War, so the idea that it was a Skrull the entire time... yeah, it feels distinctly like they didn't really plan it ahead of time and just picked an Avenger who was available. Like, bonding with Nebula, his rivalry with Sam, being there for Tony's death, it's all turned to nothing, and *for* nothing. I'm holding onto the idea of the legs being a potential hint that the switch happened after Endgame like a safety blanket.
It’s amazing how they attempted to make a tense, paranoid sci-fi spy thriller miniseries with some incredible, award-winning actors and the whole thing is duller than dishwater.
Wasn't Skrull Rhodey part of the team that caught up with Thanos on that planet where Thor murders him? That planet is literally full of resources and peaceful and the Avengers ship AI system calls that the planet has no advanced civilization except Thanos who lives there..... and yet this Skrull Rhodey didn't bother to tell their Skrull buddies that he finally find an ideal planet to live
Even if he wasn't, someone would have clued Fury onto its existence after his return and said "Hey... I know the perfect place!" That's why *none* of this makes any sense
Also, I wouldn’t care how long Rhoadie had been a Skrull if it weren’t for the meaningful conversations he had with people like Sam and Fury (for obvious reasons), and his best friend Tony. Franchises retcon things all the time so the problem isn’t continuity for me, that’s easy for me personally to overlook. Edit: yea, those two getting Ebony Maw’s rings was a moment that I actually laughed at too 😂
this whole episode is spot on, i don't know what's going on behind the scenes at Marvel, but certainly killing off the main/more popular characters that we cared about it's taken a huge toll in their storytelling, they don't have a clue how to get a grasp again, it's concerning
I felt it was undermining and underwhelming to have scenes with the rebel Skrulls throughout. If we know their plan and intentions it takes all the spy noir mystery out of the genre.
This may not be the first example of a production re-using digital props from entirely different productions, but it's going to go down in history as the most obvious one, I think.
It should not be understated just how good Kingsley Ben-Adir was in the series. The last speech about flamethrowing the earth was phenomenal. If they had someone closer to Fury who Gravik could have been disguising as it, it would have been great, but he plays his role perfectly.
This was almost the same length as a Secret Invasion episode. Respect. Don’t know how no one is discussing that Disney/Marvel shows seem to be around 30 minutes.
Thought it interesting how the finale was only 26 minutes. Almost all the other marvel tv shows had finales that were almost an hr or more. Really shows how little they cared about this project overall
One thing I've noticed, and which I think at least partly explains the bizarre feeling of Disney's streamed shows is that there is seemingly no 'time discipline' to the length of Episodes. Mandalorian is my go to example with episodes ranging from just over thirty minutes to almost an hour . . . But also having 8 episode seasons. No wonder the pacing is a mess in these shows.
In the first episode they really set up that Fury was done for. They mention that he can barely walk and his good eye is almost blind etc. And I thought that was all a ruse. He was playing an act, giving them what they wanted to see: an old defeated spy who barely got out of bed. But the twist would be that he was actually still Fury, just using his age as a tool. Instead, it was nothing. He was kinda just old and sometimes he was sad until he wasn't. I even guessed his blind eye was replaced by a Skrull scanner or something and that's why he isn't wearing an eye patch. Nah, it's supposed to be because he's old?
Disney buys cool characters to turn them into losers. That's just what they do. Luke, Indy, Loki, Fury. They don't care about making a good story, they just want to deliberately make characters losers. At least the men.
@@ExhaustedWombat this comment seems like it must be such a bad joke, because it's wall to wall assumptions, prejudice and stereotype. Which are all things supposedly open-minded people would be opposed to. So you seem to be in a very short space indicating you do not follow any of the principles you would seem to be criticizing me for not follow. It's like you are a masterclass in hypocrisy. The maximum amount of hypocrisy that can be crammed into a small space. It's seems easier for me to believe that someone could be that hypocritical on accident, it's easier to believe they are being deliberately ironic and they are in on the joke.
Some of the wholesale Marvel criticism comes off as glib these days, but in the case of "Secret Invasion" I feel it's warranted. It was jaw-droppingly bad. There were many times I thought to myself, "I can't believe someone was actually paid Marvel money to write that...." Probably the worst dialogue I've seen in any Marvel production. That said, the guy playing the villain was brilliant. It was fascinating watching him consistently rise high above the material he was burdened with. I hope to see him in better things to come.
Find it astonishing that you just write off marvel criticism as "glib". The MCU after endgame has been absolutely woeful and I'm so bored off people constantly going "what's with the marvel hate train" "is it cool to hate marvel all of a sudden" if you are constantly producing mediocre content then people are going to start saying something
Is anyone else mad they killed Maria Hill? I genuinely think this show would have made more sense if Fury died and then Hill had to deal with the Skrulls after Fury failed them. Maybe the twist could be they killed Fury themselves after they had to wait too long and it seemed like he was bailing. But no, we needed Jackson's star power more than we needed a decent script, we needed a lackluster OC super skrull more than a historied S.H.I.E.L.D. agent who hasn't gotten much screen time and is supposed to take over if Fury dies.
Plus it makes the universe feel lonelier without a core supporting cast member. Will Bruce be sad about the death of Maria Hill or anyone who else had a relationship with her? No, this’ll just go away and no one will have to care and we lose one of the only non-superheroes left
Maria Hill being killed trying to stop the Skrulls should have been the inciting incident to bring Fury back to Earth. Also, the fact that two of Fury's oldest and closest friends were brutally murdered by someone who's out to destroy mankind, and Fury decided to outsource the payback so he can talk to the POTUS when a text message that says "Rhodey is a Skrull" would have done the job, is just.... I mean fucking seriously, how easy would it be for Giah to walk into POTUS's room wearing a Widow Mask and shot Skrull Rhodey in the head? Boom, conspiracy foiled, and she wouldn't even be in danger cos of her Extremis infusion.
Didn't watch (because I'm capable of learning from my mistakes) but I heard so much about it, it did make me go back and watch Winter Soldier and GODDAMN that is good! The spectrum of quality in the MCU is quite shocking, from the highs to the lows. I think the thing I dislike the most is the retconning. Like how Nick Fury lost his eye. That scene and line delivery in Winter Soldier is incredible, then Captain Marvel retconned it into being a lie, or at least a joke. Now apparently with Secret Wars, Fury wasn't nearly as awesome as we all thought, he just had the help of alien shapeshifters. Sheesh. Now I'm supposed to re-think about past movies to wonder who was a Skrull and when? No thank you. Taking my MCU Iron Man 1 to Endgame and walking away.
"I have a new series for you. It's called secret invasion" "Wow, so the planet is going to be invaded?" "No they're mostly hanging out at a nuclear compound." "Oh, but in disguise?" "Yeah but we know who everyone is and who the skrulls impersonate." "Then... what makes it a secret invasion?" "It's the name of a comic." "Ohhh, cool, no further questions."
I've just noticed that at 16:34 Rhodey DOES wear his exoskeleton legs in "Falcon & The Winter Soldier" but under his pants, because you can see the little light spot coming out on his thigh where it's supposed to be. So he's always been wearing them.
Does anyone else take issue with the idea of NICK FURY of all people, leaving his skrull wife (who must know a good chunk of his secrets) on earth for 5 years without so much as a home alarm system? Just a couple guns in a drawer? One of his closest friends was Tony Stark..hes literally supposed to be the most over prepared and plotting character in the MCU and the dude couldnt even be bothered to install a home defense system for his alien wife? What the hell?
The main problem with the Secret Invasion TV series was the _timing,_ with it taking place at a point in the MCU timeline when there were almost no Avengers or Superheroes in general left on Earth. The Secret Invasion comicbook storyline in the comics happened in a universe where SHIELD and Hydra still existed and the Avengers organization was crammed full of Supers, including the X-Men, Fantastic Four, the Illuminati, Tony Stark was alive etc. In the comics the story focused on the Skrulls infiltrating and replacing members of Superhero teams to make everyone mistrust each other while the Skrulls started invading Earth. Most Skrull duppelgangers replaced non-powered people like Hank Pym or Elektra and Stark's butler Jarvis (who was a human in the comics). But in the comicbooks, the reason why the Skrulls could not easily be detected was that they could actually copy superheroes' powers already, like Black Bolt and Spider-Woman. (Although Black Bolt has an excuse not to use his powers all the time, hence he Skrull replacement only has to walk around and not speak.) The comicbook Skrulls could even copy magic-users' abilities, like when they replaced Doctor Voodoo. Or the Skrulls replaced heroes who had long been dead alreay due to non-Skrull causes, but the Skrulls replacing them pretended they somehow survived. The TV series tried to replace this plot with an internatinal political spy thriller, with the Skrulls trying to start a war between Earth's superpowers instead of between Earth's actual superheroes and the Skrull empire. But then the TV series wanted to have it both ways and veered off into a plotline "Skrulls want to learn to copy actual superpowers" (apart from their own shapeshifting) as well". butthe fact the MCU skrulls _didn't_ have the superpowers of an Super whose face they wore make it so baffling why no-one in the MCU TV series even _tried_ to come up with a scientific way to scan for Skrulls. Have Hank Pym build some Star Trek style scanner, or at least do a blood test for crying out loud! Star Trek Deep Space Nine did that during the Federation's war against the shapeshifters of the Dominion. The protagonists of _The Thing_ did that to check each other if they were an alien impostors! But here... nothing. THey don't even _try_ to find a way to tell Skrulls apart from humans!
One thing I'm confused about is how did the humans survive if the skrull refugee camp was polluted with radiation. They said earlier on that the skrulls were able to hide out there because they were immune to radiation.
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The dumbest part of this entire show is the premise that Nick Fury someone who didn't even know aliens were real until meeting the skrulls was going to go out and find a planet for the skrulls to live on. That's like sending out an Amish person to pick and buy a mobile phone for you.
It’s worse. It’s like a flock of birds believing a fish telling them he will find them the perfect tree.
I thought that the amish (fury) had a family member (ms marvel) who lived in the city who would do it.
@@nerag7459 Captain Marvel kind of forgot about the iron flee... Finding the skull a home world.
@@mrhaast5053 The suggestion is she couldn't find one.
@@nerag7459 She was on Thanos’ retirement planet in Endgame. Why not there?
Almost feel bad for Emilia Clarke. Every movie in a big franchise she's in is always bad, and she's never the problem
Right?! She keeps getting movies/shows in these huge franchises and they just turn out terrible.
Shes also a terrible actress she showed no single type of emotion
yeah......but being a bad actress doesnt help. Nick Cage is in a shitload of garbage.....and he is quite often the highlight, no matter how bad the writing is.
@@notyourdamnbusiness8795Emilia Clarke was great as Dany
I want to defend Emilia but she does not do well with serious roles. She brought nothing to Secret Invasion.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was eventually revealed that Secret Invasion was written by AI as a test to see if they could get away with it.
Good news: they couldn’t. Not even a little.
Absolutely. The show feels like someone typed “Secret Invasion but without superheroes” into ChatGPT and pumped out this shit show.
It would clear up a lot of things, like why the entire show is so soulless
Dude. You… you might be right…😨
Except it was written by humans, which is even more telling about AI lol
The line that did it for me was when Fury tells Olivia Coleman’s Character “We can’t keep expecting these superheroes to save our ass”, as if his whole purpose for the last 15 years wasn’t to get the avengers together large scale threats
*for large scale
yeah, let's risk million of lives because this time it's PERSONAL. Such a dumb dumb excuse.
Not to defend it in anyway but I kinda took it as Fury feeling awkward about how to explain to the Avengers how he has a vial of all their DNA. So he decided to keep it from them.
Still with the Avengers deployed the threat would have been neutralised before that info even got out. So yeah, bad writing.
"Should we call captain Marvel?"
"No ... I must do this myself."
"Really? How?"
"Uh, good point, give captain marvels powers to Gaia and have her go in my place."
Seems like the real reason not to call the Avengers is that the Avengers might be Skrulls. As evidenced by the fact that one of the Avengers was totally a Skrull.
The greatest irony is that DC's *_Peacemaker_* pulled off the whole secret alien invasion storyline phenomenally better than a show called _Secret Invasion_
And that's the second one. The Justice League three part episode "Secret Origins" is also a better Secret Invasion.
@@imaadshahrukh4829 Third one, you forgot Agents of SHield doing it thrice
most people dont know about it but imo the best adaptation of the marvel secret invasion arc is in their cartoon series "Avengers: Earths Mightiest Heroes", i cant explain in words how good the writing of that arc is. ever since i saw that years ago, i always thought to myself that marvel can seriously copy that stuff 1to1 in a live action movie and it would rain them money, such a failed opportunity
Yup. And on a lower budget too. Peacemaker is really phenomenal.
Seems they also did the whole "this person I'm pretending to be had a life" as well from what I heard in the video, I haven't seen this show so I can't say it was better tho
The MCU has devolved into "Which famous actor should we invite to be on this project? Doesn't matter what the project is, as long as they're invited"
They literally have pretty much the whole game of thrones cast! Besides Lena Hadley and Nicholas whatever ! Brown be of Tarth played in Star Wars not much but Disney.
@@kevinhunt1202 Lena Heady and Nikolai Coster-Waldu?
The MCU has become the beer guzzler drop whose idea of romance is a boozy grope, a messy slobber filled kiss, a thrust, a grunt, a roll over, followed by a freight-train fart and snore-a-thon
@@victorpradha9946 Hey I fart on you to mark my territory we sleep back to back because we guard each other sigh. If I had to hold on to you all night it would show I was worried you'd run off. My farts are my scent marking and my snores are my deep sleep trust in you. If you find a man and he doesn't snore or fart now that is sus. Men make noise and make smells that's kind of our thing. Maybe you're looking for a lady? They don't fart.
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No he meant Lena Hadley, she plays the Mountain lol😅
The MCU is more interested in promoting what's up next than delivering the project in hand.
This has been the biggest issue since the lead up to infinity war I feel
To be honest, that’s a criticism that people have been levelling at the MCU ever since Iron Man 2, but up till now it hasn’t really mattered because what they used to churn out was mostly good.
@shelbyvillerules9962 and entertaining to say the least.
And the sad thing is, some people use this as an argument to why we got a mediocre product.
@@CKibblesMy mom is literally like this. Im thinking about disowning her.
Emilia Clarke with Drax’s arm is a thin line between HILARIOUS NONSENSE and NIGHTMARE FUEL
I didnt remember that scene in game of thrones
I can't help it but I imagine her, maybe having some "private time" with herself and using the weird Drax arm that is somehow large and tiny at the same time. I just threw up in my mouth.
It was in the final episode after her and Han Solo fought the Terminator.
If they bring that character back and some of the worst ones they’re all gonna get killed off something akin to the suicide squad massacred.
It’s so weird. It feels like her head is too big for her body, or her arm is too big OR (and this is the worst one) her arm is an inflatable balloon with Drax tattoos. HAVING DRAX’S DNA DOESNT GIVE YOU TATTOOS
"So you're saying that something should happen" is an all-time Mr Sunday Movies running phrase.
I think they could have killed two birds with one stone by explaining that Fury couldn’t call the Avengers cause he didn’t know if they were replaced or not. That would have been a much better explanation for why he didn’t call them and serve to heighten the tension. This way you can see how serious Fury considers the Skrull threat because they have caused him to not even trust the Avengers. They don’t really play with that kind of paranoia in the show. They never speculate on who has been replaced. They never accuse anyone who didn’t turn out to be a Skrull. They just sort of know who’s a Skrull when the plot needs them to without any investigation.
There are no more Avengers to begin with
Yeah they did that in the Avengers: EMH series, with him going off the grid and conducting his own private investigation, which was smart considering that Captain America was the FIRST person replaced onscreen so Fury really couldn't trust the Avengers after all.
He even had a big ol' board in his hideout of people he was trying to eliminate as Skrull suspects.
Pity this show did none of that.
@@jacksimpson8529 they just forgot the premise of skrulls can be anyone and did more of a, there are some aliens who look like people and a handful of them are also in powerful positions, the skrulls never change who they are except to try and make fury take the blame for killing the woman from how i met ur mother. Plus, where is the secret invasion movie even gonna go.
Marvel wants to do an interconnected cinematic universe but doesnt interconnect shit, the skrulls done been around for a long time yet only now do we get to see any effects of that, the GOTG exist and travel thru many inhabited worlds, yet the skrulls decide to stay on earth withouth any reason, we have so much bullshit abt the multiverse yet all t he characters we give a fuck abt are on the same universe. To me they should've used the multiverse to justify doing different takes on many characters, maybe we get a couple movies about a different universe where Loki and Thor switched positions, maybe we see a world where x or y happens, we get to build an affection to those characters the way we are supposed to with any past movie, bring back Iron Man but make it a different guy, bring us an ultron that was a hero where Vision was villainous, maybe a Vision who got a diff stone, make us build relationships and maybe once you do a kang dynasty avengers movie, where before the team up was a bunch of heroes from diff movies, now we get heroes from diff universes.
Instead of doing absolutely anththing that's interesting with the concepts they put forward, marvel seems to only do gimmicks, that's what they are, they add buzzowrds use them sparingly and withouth purpose, that whole doctor strange movie with multiverse in the name, the multiverse ddint' even matter
@@jacksimpson8529 Here is a man who appreciates the classics. Earth’s Mightiest Heroes is an amazing show. Its Secret Invasion arch blows this one out of the water.
Yeah, Fury should have been WAY more paranoid in general during the whole show. Have him develop a detector or something. He just casually talks to people he trusts but has absolutely no way of actually knowing that they aren't a skrull, even if it's just for that one specific time he's meeting them.
The "character ends right back where they started" thing has been a consistent issue with these shows. Like, I know things happened, but it makes it feel like NOTHING happened.
Exactly. If nothing is different then there’s no reason to care.
these shows is just a long journey for the characters to get their comic accurate costumes
MCU's anime filler arc.
It’s like show runners learned NOTHING from the last season of GOT
Hit the nail right on the head with this
Gotta hand it to the writers, i didn't think they could find a way to end a spy thriller with a superhero fighting an evil version of themselves
Isn't that how goldeneye ended?
Didnt think they would be able to write a spy thriller that is neither thrilling or have any actual spy work.
@@grumpyginger99For England, James?
Ouch
@Duno 4othimir no 4 me
Secret Invasion is like taking the entire infinity gauntlet storyline that was told over TEN YEARS and TWENTY-TWO films and cutting it down to a 6-episode tv miniseries.
Sad
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It’s funny because Bendis’s crossover events (like Secret Invasion) always had that vibe as well. People joke that Age of Ultron the movie was more like Day of Ultron, but the comic is also basically that.
@@NidorinoAlliancepeople in the MCU community complain non stop always about everything. It’s what’s popular to do. I hate it.
Correction. They may have had thoughts about it near the beginning. But the actual infinity saga didn't start til avengers
As others have said, if the MCU was gonna do Secret Invasion, they should have made it the whole of Phase 4 and beyond.
That would have been awesome. And it would have allowed the whole super Skrull thing to play out in an organic way over several movies, with him growing more powerful in each one, finally necessitating a team up to stop him.
Phase 4 would have actually had a story, a path, a point... a reason to actually exist.
And they had the PERFECT entry point with the blip. Skrulls assuming identities of those who blipped, then 5 years later those same people come back. Some of those humans get killed, and others find out someone took their place and absolute chaos ensues.
It would have allowed earth based stories to have a point and they can still do the cosmic storylines to set up Kang and multiverse but take their time so it could act as a universe reset after battle world. So yes, eventually secret invasion wouldn't matter necessarily but there would be a decade long journey to get there and there would be two massive events in between that time with secret invasion and Kang. At least then it would be clear what two storyline are going on concurrently. Not this hot mess with random shows and properties that won't be renewed or matter.
YESSSSSSSSSS
The problem is i don't think they have planned and overa rching story beyond infinity war.
They've just been like ok Kang is the new Threat all the movies and shows do your own thing but here's a few notes that we want to hit.
Like how do you have billion dollar franchise and not a team of like 20-50 researcher/writers building the stories to be told so that it's all cohesive, at this point probably feed AI all the comics and it would spit out a more cohesive story line (with spots of garbage)
The fact that in 30mins we've in these discussions all come up with better storylines that both impact the overall story and make a better tvshow
Just to give you a plot summary:
Decades ago Nick Fury promised to help Skrulls find a new home in exchange for their service, but after realizing he can never find a home for them, he stays quiet and kept using them as lapdogs. After the Blip, Nick Fury just abandoned them and hide in space, only came back after a young Skrull started a rebellion. After getting 2 of his best friends killed because he sucks at his job, someone else took out the rebellion leader for him, but the whole event started an all out race war towards the Skrulls. However, instead of trying to fix that or stop it, Nick Fury once again abandon everyone and hide back to his space with his wife, leaving all Skrulls on Earth to fend for themselves
the worst part, fury would have known about Thanos retirement planet, a whole uninhabited planet for the skrull...
Thank you for writing this, I don’t know how I got to this video as I don’t watch marvel, but these guys seem
Entertaining
It isn't Post-Endgame MCU content without the character assassination of the legacy character, (Usually in service of propping up a new hero).
😂lol
is this the real plot?
@@kashutosh9132 not even exaggerated. This is what actually happens
It’s funny when you realize how little thought and logic was put into this. The Avengers, with Carol and Rhodey present, killed Thanos in 2018 thus making his vacation planet now abandoned and habitable. They would’ve and should’ve told the Skrulls right lol…
Exactly!!!!
I always assumed the skrulls wanted an already built up planet to inhabit. Fixes this issue but also makes the skrulls seem very heartless.
Right why would it take carol 20+ years just to find a empty planett if shes as fast as she is
Titan would've been the perfect home. Still had some infrastructure left from the previous inhabitants and the air was breathable.
They clearly put no thought into this🤦🏾♂️
@@saggypoop3935 both of you are right to be honest
The rings and the tattoos appearing when they use those characters' powers is so hilarious and insane. I'm honestly shocked neither had Bucky's arm at any point; would've made just as much sense.
Then, how would you tell them apart genius? I’ll wait!
@@delmarfrazier2727 you don't need to tell them apart lol. Who cares
@@2014wolfy what dumbass why would you watch 20 years a film to not be able to tell them apart! Yeah ok 👌 that makes total sense GTFO
@@2014wolfyyou have a green alien 👽 That’s make a green Drax arm with no tattoo! Yeah that’s what we wanna see/and I can tell who that is!💪🏽🤡
@@delmarfrazier2727 if you can't tell a character's arm without a ring on each finger, you're probably not super familiar with the movies. Better to just use a recognizable strong character's arm (e.g. Hulk) than inexplicably have a tattooed arm of a less strong character when that makes no sense from a DNA perspective. It's just basic logic.
When I realised that what fury was retrieving from THREE different high-tech-secret compartments in that graveyard was a freaking pistol, a trenchcoat and an eye-patch I just burst-out laughing and lost all hope for this show to be even a tiny bit good
I am storing my good pair of jeans, my favorite sweatshirt, and my multitool in 3 secret, disguised vaults in the local library revealed only when you pull on a specific combination of books.
Shit was indeed so stupid
Then why do you even watch stuff like this if you can't handle the goofiness and campiness of it,it's a superhero property,fxck off and go watch the news or something.
I mean, by that point, there was only 20 minutes left in the whole 5 hour show, so you must have enjoyed it pretty well overall.
The idea of having a skrull take the face of Fury’s dead son would have been so great. Would have let us have some personal conflict and a real connection between hero and villain
Guess writers need to be paid more to come up with higher concept ideas like that. /s
Man, they are paying the wrong people. I love that idea!
Exactly here I thought that maybe Gravik takes the face of Fury's son or maybe he is his son or whatever
I thought it was gonna be like he idolised him and felt like a son, so wanted to look like his potential son, then felt betrayed. But I guess if they did that then that would mean something would of happened
Yeah I don‘t think writers get to do much of creative control in this MCU. I guess their task is just to try and write a cohesive story around the latest corporate decisions made on a higher level for this franchise, while also having to readjust and rewrite at every moment …
I feel like this series would’ve been waaay better if the ending was actually the beginning. Like episode one, Rhodey is killed in a very public way and it’s revealed that he’s a Skrull. The world gets thrown into a “Green Panic” with people killing random people in a desperate attempt to weed out the Skrulls. Entire governments begin to crumble because no one can be trusted. Fury comes back to both stop the secret invasion but also save the good Skrulls from a planet that wants them dead. Bonus points if you bring back Coulson and question whether or not he’s a Skrull.
They'd also need to have more 'good Skrulls' in the series, because at best there was ONE in Talos. It was ONLY him consistently trying to promote co-existence and stop Gravik's plans, all the other ones were either helping Gravik or just sitting back and doing nothing despite knowing about it, which doesn't paint a very good image of the Skrulls in general.
Even Giah, by the end, didn't really care about humanity or co-existence, she just fought Gravik for vengeance for her parents' deaths, after previously helping Gravik arrange a terrorist attack and then flip-flopping back and forth on helping or not till Talos died.
Especially with the reveal that the SKRULLS started the Kree-Skrull war from *Captain Marvel.*
Based off what we see in the show and how they start acting, it really does seem more likely that there are in fact habitable planets out there but the Skrulls have pissed off too much of the galaxy to safely settle on them, because they've been warmongering, entitled dicks for most of their spacefaring existence till they bit off more than they could chew with the Kree and got stomped for it.
Wow, that sounds suspiciously like how the actual "Secret Invasion" comic did this. It's almost like they had a pretty good outline, obviously changes needed to be made for the MCU, and told the people involved to not even bother reading the original.
If only.
The people at Disney are actively trying to kill the MCU. Why? Who knows. But the number of horrible decisions they've been making, considering all of the source material they have available tells its own story.
You know you done fucked up when literally every novice writer can make a better plot in 3 lines on a random youtube video, than these professional writers can do.
oooooh, I like this a lot!
your idea about kamala using “weaker” powers to her advantage over a big bad is literally sooo good, and i love seeing similar tropes in super hero media. god what a wasted opportunity
Literally?
Drax genetically inheriting skulls and wings tattooed all over his body is truly something to behold.
Funny how magic rings are also some how part of DNA.
@@Hat_With_A_Hat_On I think the execs' brains were in the blender instead.
@@Hat_With_A_Hat_OnMakes you wonder why either of them didn't just summon the infinity gauntlet and all the infinity stones and just create a new earth for Skrulls to live on.
Common misconception! Drax's superpower is actually looking cool. His tattoos are a part of this super power.
@@CommanderZx2 It'd be like if they got Tony Starks dna and they could shoot lasers from their hands
What baffles me the most is how this story ends with virtually nothing changed. Fury came down from space to end up back in space, and the Skrull problem remains (and arguably worsened). The only real change is that a couple characters that haven’t mattered for a while died, and the reveal of major Skrull replacements amounts to nothing because there’s no real agreement on when they were replaced. And some of the answers to that lessen previous emotional beats. It’s a hot mess. To say nothing of Emelia Clarke’s anchor arms.
Well said. This show was the exact opposite of cathartic in terms of expanding the MCU's lore
There's a great video on RUclips called Marvel Defenders of The Status Quo. This series is like the epitome of it, where the series ends exactly as it begun.
Fury has been in the same place he was since Far From Home. Literally nothing as changed
Because hey by the way Kree are suddenly open to peace talks for some reason. Problem solved thanks to none of the characters on this show. How did we not see on Kree or Nova Corp member? John C Reliey should have been in this.
It's the anime filler arc of the MCU
I knew something was off when they decided to take such a large and important story line and boil it down to a mini-series.
Large and important storylines are generally much better suited to mini-series than movies, since you have time to flesh things out. This was just done badly.
@@Eidlones6 episodes were not enough, it would need to 10 at LEAST for this type of story line.
Crazy how avengers earth’s mightiest heroes was able to do the skrull invasion story a million times better than this garbage in just a few episodes
Exactly my thought! This whole Secret Invasion could’ve been part of a whole fucking Phase. MCU really is a shit show post-Endgame
@@jethrojacinto2798 not entirely. Moon Knight, Hawkeye, Wandavision, and Shang chi was good. It’s actually astounding how much the quality dipped. They had issues but overall was good.
Olivia Coleman was unironically the brightest spot in this. Everyone else seemed to be phoning it in or reacting stiffly to overblown cgi/greenscreen. She actually seemed like she was having fun, prolly won't happen, but it'd be dope to see her in a marvel project that doesn't suck
She is a better version of Valentina Allegra De Fontaine
Yep, if this show was just about her & Fury doing some Spy v Spy shit without this horrifying green makeup disasters it would have been great.
I would also argue that Sam Jackson was, for the most part, pretty damn good in this show. He nailed a lot of those monologues. He couldn’t carry this wreck of a show but still
I usually like Olivia Coleman in whatever she's in.
A good move for Marvel would be to have Olivia Coleman as head of MI:13, working with Captain Britain to put together the MCU’s answer to Excalibur. Cap Britain, Blade, Black Knight, introduce Kitty Pryde and Kurt Warner as exchange students or tourists.
How did this cost $200,000,000 without me ever seeing a single ad for it? This video is literally the first time I've heard of this show.
Pretty sure this is only marketed to people who already subscribe to Disney+ because they know this show is getting in 0 new subscribers
Money laundering disney
That's kind of a you problem
@@themanwithnothingtolose I'm not sure I'd call not having heard of this show a 'problem'.
@@sarov7658"Anything I don't understand is money laundering," back to Reddit with you
The funniest thing about this, is that Agents of Shield basically did a secret invasion/ body-snatching plot in its 4th season and was so much better
THIS! I'm so confused as to how Marvel failed the "who can you trust" plot when they did it successfully in AoS Season 4. They even pulled in the power-stealing-from-DNA plot from Season 7. Marvel had the blueprint... and they didn't follow it
@@Empyrean.127because they act like AOS is not cannon and avoid it like the plague. They can't copy greatness when they don't want to see it🤷🏾♀️
Aos is way better than this series.
Ya! The hydra plotline was probably the best in the show.
You know the mcu sucks now when agents of shield did something better
the idea that there is no habitable planet for the Skrull´s to live in is the strangest decision to do from a screenwriters perspective. Special when Guardians, Capitan Marvel and Thor show that they are multiple planets that can inhabited by them.
This show demonstrates a pretty good reason why nobody wanted Skrulls on their planet in Cpt Marvel, they ruin everything just by existing with their powers.
Kick them out, Mr President!
@@balmung7599Then the Kree will find them.
@@balmung7599yeah...and now Rocket, Thor, and who else?
Oh yeah, CAPTAIN MARVEL!
@@balmung7599 dude, I don't think you understand what I said.
Fury and Marvel know about this place now. She could've taken tge Skrulls there after infinity war, or Fury would've heard about it after Endgame.
It's still total BS.
@@balmung7599 I didn't realize you were referring to just before. So yes.
Y'all wrote a more compelling, intriguing series in half an hour than the actual writers did in two years.
That strike is showing unfortunately they rushed and pissed off writers and this shows it
Many reviews have better off the cuff ideas.
@@vindurza100%. There’s a lot of people in the comments using this show to say “I guess the writers shouldn’t be paid more after all”, but what Secret Invasion actually proves is how rushed turnaround leads to a mediocre final product (like, the literal thing they’re striking over lol)
Mason's idea about Kamala is better than every single minute of this show. Some of these RUclipsrs should legit be on writing teams.
@@vindurzanah there just awful writers, no way home and gotg aside all marvel shows and films have been objectively awfully written and it shows
The secret invasion was so secret I’d never even heard of this show
The other issue with the idea that Rhodey was taken after Civil War is that Gravik is implied to have only gone rogue after the events of Endgame
Is called subterfuge, you can still work against someone from the inside, fuck shield was full of hydra agents since ww2 you didnt think it was weird when that happened did you?
@jasongreen6826 it's called writing the script as you film the project
@@jasongreen6826 Shield was not full of Hydra agents since ww2, the infiltration of Shield by Hydra took decades. Also, we know that Gravik wasn't rogue until some time after Endgame because HE was on the team to collect the Harvest, so he would have just kept some of it at the time if he wanted to be a superskrull back then.
@@jasongreen6826 Look man, everything after Endgame with maybe the exception of Loki was a complete crapshoot, nothing matters anymore. The only things people genuinely seem to have enjoyed collectively have been the Spiderman movies. I think Dr Strange, Gaurdians, and Loki were alright, some like wandavision, but... honestly, the bar has dropped so far to the point that most of these shows are just rushed crap.
@@nashocheesemost things before endgame and including endgame were bad, it's just gone off the rails now,
It’s honestly a real shame both the Skrulls & the snap were never implemented into Agents of Shield cause I feel like that show could’ve used them effectively and could’ve planted the seeds for a better Secret Invasion storyline instead of just ignoring MCU continuity completely in its last two seasons.
It’s because they weren’t let in on what happened with the snap and after that, they really were just merged in to their own mcu adjacent world
@@Molly-555I really hate how Kevin Feige likes to pretend those shows done by Ike Perlmutter & Jeph Loeb don’t exist only to then completely turn back around and bring back both Matt Murdock & Kingpin from Daredevil and even Black Bolt from Inhumans.
After Infinity War, I thought that’s what would happen. AOS was perfectly placed to show what happened at the ground level, like they did with Shield after Winter Soldier.
Thanos was at least mentioned in a.o.s.
The finally and Infinity war happened at the same time.
@@shinndig1293Crazy how people get on James Gunn for admitting this and doing it, but Feige’s been doing it for way longer.
I like how you guys call it a terrible show and tear it apart and this review is still one of the most positive for this show on the internet.
It’s hilarious. Like 2 kindergartners acting out fights in the playground and just activating random shit and saying “no you didn’t hit me cause I have hulks power to jump”
The worse part of this show is that I could think of infinite ways to make it better with 10 minutes of brainstorming. They could’ve had the public freak out about Skrulls way earlier so everything Gravik did actually makes sense. They couldve shown Skrulls assimilating ppl who died of freak accidents so ppl can find out their loved ones have been dead for years and the ones they know are completely different ppl. They could’ve done a flashback of a younger version of the human gravik getting shot in the first episode and then revealing in the finale that it was gravik doing the shooting and taking the dead guys face. Gravik should’ve just been Fury’s skrull wife’s son and he could’ve then hated Fury for treating him like a soldier when he wanted a dad. They could’ve had Fury’s wife have secret meetings with Gravik but not to help him just to try and talk him down up until she learns Fury isn’t actually helping the Skrulls then she gives him information. They could’ve had a conversation between Maria Hill and Fury where he admits to giving up on the skrulls years ago to add intrigue. They couldve had Rhodey and Fury in a flashback have some significant conversation and then Rhodey be more like himself in the present and pretend to help Fury but say something that goes against himself in the flashback. Why did they try so hard to have Fury be a good guy he’s NICK FURY and he’s played by SAMUEL L JACKSON that’s the perfect situation for a the end justify the means type character. WHY DOES GAIA HELP THE HUMANS she has literally no attachment to them whatsoever the only one she knows is Fury and he got her dad killed. GAHHHH this show frustrates me so much.
To your first point seriously they could've just glanced at the X-men movies to figure out a better motivation for wiping out the human race other than "mean man broke a promise when I was 9 years old". Especially considering the fact that THEY'VE BEEN LIVING PERFECTLY FINE ON THE PLANET FOR 30 YEARS AND COULD JUST STAY
This show takes place after End Game. USE ENDGAME. Skrulls taking over the lives of people blipped, pretending they've been there all along. Give us some insight into what happened after infinity war! If a bunch of people are missing and then Skrulls show up as them, it might raise a few flags, but go mostly unnoticed. Suddenly everyone comes back and is finding duplicates of themselves! NOW who is real and who is a Skrull? A lot of the motivations could still stay the same, have one or two avengers here and there, but just in putting it in that time period of the 5 years and directly after end game would have built up its own stakes.
It also completely missed the point of the Skrulls, the entire premise is wasted in the first episode.
Even more baffling when you learn that apparently they use (at least) a committee of 10 writers and this is still the best crap they can come up with.
@@Coconut-219 I wonder if they were given studio mandates, or did they eff it up all by themselves.
If he was replaced after Civil War, any cool or interesting scenes with Rhodey are ruined now. That little heart-to-heart with Nebula where they reflect on how they 'weren't always like this,' referring to their robotic prosthetics and the physical trauma they endured. That's ruined now. Rhodey being the first one there when his best friend Tony died. Ruined. This completely undercuts any character development for him for the sake of a plot twist in spin off tv show.
everyone as dumbass opinion
Having James Rhodes a skrull since Civil War kind of deflates the emotional impact when he says his goodbye to Tony. It also means that he didn't get a chance to have a send off with his life long friend.
Its why I hate all this Skrull retcon BS in the first place. The actor's didn't know they were playing a Skrull in those moments.
@@Suisai13maybe they got him after, like when he went for a prostate exam after the funeral.
For that reason alone they should just say this entire series didn't take place in the main timeline and we all can pretend it never happened.
1. Don't kill Maria Hill
2. Have her be a skrull
3 have that skrull BE Emilia Clarke, who is playing Talos against Fury.
4. Have Gravik already be president and the rhodey reveal comes when Maria Hill turns on Nick by framing him and the president supports it and seems innocently duped but is actually who EC is working for.
Nowhere does it say he was a Skrull since Civil War.
"But he was wearing a hospital gown!" Yes, and those garments have been in circulation post-2016, it's not remarkable.
These two are exceedingly kind when it comes to their reviews and analysis, even when a film deserves to get rinsed-and even they couldn’t stomach this. Listen up Disney. You blew it!
Because Mr. Sunday Movies is an MCU simp.
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411I have wondered this. There's older stuff they've been harsh on and this newer stuff which is widely considered crap that they're very kind on. The lower viewer figures probably indicate why
@@maverickmic I don’t mind it. I always think it’s cringe whenever reviewers act like a movie/show is the worst thing in the world. Reminds me of those channel awesome videos 💀
@@Thaone-cl4ms Agreed! I am looking at the recommended videos right now and you see "MARVEL IS DEAD" with a thumbnail of Secret Invasion. Like calm the fuck down. It was garbage, but I hardly doubt Marvel is just going to stop. Look at the excitement just from Loki S2 trailer. I think its fine to be chill in your disdain for something. In fact that could be because they have cooled on Marvel in general, and so don't feel the need to get so up in arms, because they don't care as much anymore (that's basically how I feel about MCU these days).
@@Weyland_Punani funny because in this video they admit to not liking Quantumania and I remember them being rather harsh on Thor L&T. I think you're just trolling at this point. Just because James and Mason have higher than a elementary school student vernacular and don't just come out and say "this is doodoo" doesn't mean they are not shitting on something.
And most people will tell you Loki is one of the better projects. Again. You're trolling or not able to keep up
I... honestly forgot that Secret Invasion was even coming, and now it's done. And this is the first I've heard about it. I used to be big into marvel stuff, and now... I didn't even know one of the shows happened! They lost me so long ago. And I know I'm not alone in that.
Well you missed absolutely nothing. Nick finds his way back to the exact place he was before he left. Only Maria has changed because she is now dead.
@@scotttimbrell8632 Considering how the actress was phoning it in the last few movies, I think she's been dead for a while.
@@prince_nocturne True, although i did like Maria and thought the 2 little guys on the ground being nick and maria was cool. They did them both dirty in this show.
Moonknight and Wandavision was the only marvel shows that I enjoyed
@@mgnilquenta I liked Loki season 1, Moon Knight was great and made me forget it was a marvel show a lot (which is... unfortunately a compliment), and Wandavision... dragged but was mostly good. Bit of a weak ending, but fine for what it was. And Ms Marvel wasn't bad either, and it could have been a LOT worse, as proved by She Hulk. I was already one foot out the door, and She Hulk shoved me the rest of the way.
Ultimately it was soulless. Everything doesn’t have to be incredible and there always has to be something at the bottom of the list. But it was clear in this series that they didn’t know what they wanted to do or why they wanted to do it. Which is why nothing happened.
I think the glaring issue with most of the TV shows is that in the end the characters are essentially reset to where they were at the start of the show. Because they generally want people who only watch the movies to still understand what’s happening. So they basically become little fully missable fluff pieces, that at most add a little flavor to the characters but nothing really big changes
Well, otherwise you have a Dr Strange 2 thing, where if you didn't watch Wandavision, you don't understand what the hell is up with Wanda. Most moviegoers still don't watch D+ series, and they shouldn't.
@@vodkavecz I can't tell you how confused i was. I didn't have Disney+ at the time. I asked my friend what I needed to know before we went to watch Doctor Strange 2 and he said "I'm not going to bother explaining because it's way too much. You are going to be confused"
@@davidshillaker7578 Wanda was in grief after losing Vision and accidentally took a town hostage to give herself a fake family. Now that she has discovered how powerful she is, she is trying to get her family back. Boom, two sentences, done. People really overstate how confusing these things are.
@@Danbo22987 Except you also have to explain how she took over a town, why she went from a grieving widow to an omnipowerful eldritch abomination, and also explain where she got the power to become a multiversal threat in the first place.
Or why, after doing it once, she couldn't do it again, if wanda was already willing to delete people just for getting in her way in the first place.
@@asioca1992”she’s also magic now which is pretty on brand for her character to go from mutant powers to magic Retcon”
My biggest gripe with this series was how it completely undermined all of what made Fury an amazing character. I hated the conversation where Talos took credit for all of Fury's espionage accomplishments! Even going so far as to imply that he was responsible for Fury's promotions over the years.
They also just made him a bad person. Dude literally exploited refuges for labour.
It was a weird decision to start the show with Skrulls having already replaced a bunch of world leaders and important people. So when you think about it, they're already winning. They're not that far from taking over all the nations of the earth. Why does Gravik need to come in to try to wipe out all humans? Gravik could just wait a couple of years and the Skrulls would be in control of earth.
It would have made way more sense for the Skrull council to be the main villains. Because why would Fury be cool with Skrulls replacing the leaders of entire nations? The show should have been about Fury trying to expose this massive conspiracy of Skrulls while also trying to prevent the world from falling into complete chaos. It should have been a tense thriller where Fury is trying to stop the Skrulls but he's also trying to do it in a way to prevent mass panic and people from becoming extremely paranoid and turning on each other.
There'd be a good reason not to involve the Avengers since they don't know who the Avengers should go after. If they suspect the US President is a Skrull, they can't just send the Avengers to fight the President because what if they're wrong and the President isn't a Skrull. Then they've started a war between the US government and the Avengers. And the Avengers themselves depend on information gathered by other people. A Skrull could infiltrate governments and give the Avengers bad intel, sending them out to attack an innocent target and cause an international incident.
What
When Drax's arm appeared i started laughing like a maniac that shit looked to goofy
Yeah but Dave got small man arms 💪🏽 go play 2k
I didn't think Drax had any super powers ...? So why would he have been harvested?
@@ricksherman34 obviously, you haven’t watch the movie he has the power of invisibility lol 😂
@@delmarfrazier2727 Um ok. I didn't know that. I mean Rocket doesn't have any super powers. He's just a cyborg, Gamorra...same. So, sorry I missed this?
@@ricksherman34It's a joke from the movie.
Olivia’s character and her delivery was an absolute stand out. She’s the only thing I look forward to following on from this
Which would have been great if she wasnt just a complete mary sue character who did what we should have watched Nick do the entire time. I thought it was a show about Nick and not her. But oh well, just another strong male character in the bin.
Secret Invasion was done a lot better in a Doctor Who two-parter called ‘The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion’. The Zygons can shape-shift into humans (just like the Skrulls) and they play a lot on the “who is or isn’t a Zygon” paranoia. It even tackles both immigration and the senselessness of war. And even better than that, it was set up by the events of the 50th anniversary episode.
The thing that always bothered me about that two-parter is it seems fucking weird to position your refugees as a bunch of defeated would-be invaders. Especially when the plot is that they are trying to take over again (and have done so 16 times prior).
@@ExhaustedWombat Oh I totally get that. The episodes want to portray the Zygons as both the victims and still have them as the main villains (they do say it's a faction and the majority of Zygons are peaceful and just want to integrate but it doesn't fully gel). So in that regard, I don't think it's perfect in what it wants to achieve but at least it actually tries. It uses the open ending from Day of the Doctor and explores the ramifications of what a decision like that could have, which is far more than what Secret Invasion ever achieves in 1/3 of the time
@@NickName183 no question it was better and a large part of that is due to having an actual theme it wants to grapple with. Flawed or no that is light years ahead of Secret Invasion which is a very empty experience.
@@ExhaustedWombatyou need to know the context was post 9/11 when a lot of Islamophobia led to fully legitimate refugees being denied entry/mistreated and deemed 'terror threats/invaders' even when they were children or babies! To this day Australia and the UK have horrible racist policies of 'turning back' or locking up refugees in case they are terrorists/criminals in disguise. This hate also was strong in the original Secret Invasion comics. What's really frustrating is that Marvel did a genius move in treating the Skrull as a 'complex' race with a history of both being the invaders, and invaded. The story of Captain Marvel/Fury is promising to find a home for these illegal refugees who came in via a spaceship (aka boat people) but instead of giving them a home on earth they promise them a home somewhere else. Oh but at no point does Carol, Fury, Or the ENTIRE AVENGERS LINEUP including Thor the space viking god who rules over multiple planets manage to find them a planet to call home??!. Then during The Snap, after seeing ASGARDS given a home on Earth the Scrulls decide why not do the same?!? Fury goes scitzo when he's told of this and hates on his "friend" and oldest Skrull ally calling him a 'dog who he has to clean up after'. Post snap he abandons his Skrull Wife and goes off to space to leave the Skrull sort out his mess. By the end we get no explainer for why Fury failed - just a BS excuse by someone pretending to be Fury. The only promise the MCU makes is that the Skrull may get a peace treaty to return to space or risk being hunted down on earth. The series wasted it's entire arc to set up these big themes of racism, refugees, hate and 'illegal aliens' - only for the series to be 'Fury can't be anti skrull cause he married one and now he actually invited her to space with him. It fridged Maria Hill and Talos - a women and a 'alien minority' all to give motivation to the lead American to 'save' the world from the "Bad" Europeans/UK and Refugee Aliens. It sucked because the series didn't have a ending - it just had stuff happened to set up a big event, but didn't bother to connect to the Marvels or any upcoming MCU show to promise a ending to the story.
The Doctor's speech in that episode is great
Marvel managed to make a story so frustrating that the boys didn't take the time to make a Blue Harvest reference. And that's the Green-blooded Trivia for this ep
*screams Rodney, but slowed and down-pitched to indicate despair
There was a second-long clip of Blue Harvest when they mention the harvest serum thing.
R o d n e y . . .
They make a blue harvest joke around 18:15 ish
Does anybody else ever notice that the MCU shows always seem to overlook that half of the entire population of the entire galaxy was gone for five years and magically back? Like half those skrulls would be gone, especially the ones on the spaceship with nick fury. And what would happen to the skrulls when they came back on earth? Would they be human form or skrull form?
Yeah so much stuff would have gone down post endgame, and theres been nothing. Like what do other civilisations in space think about earth, now that this insignificant little planet saved half the universe.
They are never gonna acknowledge the thousands of ramifications this event would bring
I mean wasnt that kind of the premise of falcon and the winter soldier
The editing on this is amazing. Collings, you showed your passion for making these arguments come to life
Wow cheers mate!!! ❤
Most stuff on RUclips I just turn off my phone and listen. But the editing in Mrsundaymovies' videos are top tier. The references and memes are on point and I'd hate to miss a second of it
*thorever
What this series lacked was the sense of drama, tension and suspense that Captain America: The Winter Soldier managed to convey when a rogue group of individuals managed to infiltrate multiple countries around the world. Same concept with Skrulls, but different motivations. For the series finale, it felt like it was just slapped together. "Here's the boss fight you wanted."
And AoS's LMD arc had the paranoia and not knowing who to trust vibes this show should have had over two episodes when that became a possibility.
That's even more garbage than this one aye
Watched CA 2 recently again. Really good movie. Series was fine except for the super CGI fight bore fest. People are just burnt out on generic Marvel.
I wanted Capt. to be a Skrull
Had he Died in the plane crash from The First Avenger and the government under Undercover Hydra control uses his memory to impersonate Cap
Then the Rhodey thing would make Way more sense
I love how this is supposed to be the big MCU espionage show and Agents of Shield walks all over it in that department on a network TV show budget.
"You can't get me to care"
Watching any Marvel property post Endgame is like finishing the main story and then completing the side quests you missed. That's the problem.
Honestly, that’s such a great analogy. Maybe that’s why Loki is one of the best post Endgame MCU project is because it actually feels like it continues the overall story.
@@pastlife960lmao no way you said this.
@@pastlife960except it’s working towards something now that’s gonna be like a cancelled story dlc
@@creed8712 You’re probably right…
@@creed8712really hoping they don’t throw majors away if he ends up innocent
My two favorite things about this show are that none of the players ever develop any systems or habits to check if the person they're talking to is actually that person, and the absolute ease and casual nature in which Fury 'infiltrates' the president's security perimeter twice. Oh a bonus thing is that the two big deaths didn't actually matter to the plot in any way.
Bro, these screen writers can’t even keep track of Skrull blood turning colors consistently; Blues Clues added up more than this show
i liked how easy it was to attack the president of USA .....guy was going with 3 or 4 car and a chopper came right infront of them and blow up one of the car like it was just another Tuesday.. One would think after several alien invasion at least president of the USA would have the most tight security on the planet but i guess we just need a helicopter to kill the president....this show literally insult the intelligence of their audience
Wow! I havent seen a breakdown video with charisma and authenticity in years. Thank you guys for being yourselves and not boring .New subscriber
As soon as I saw Fury walking in to the nuclear site with complete disregard for his health, stumbling around, I immediately guessed it was Emilia Clarke and the whole rest of that section of the episode lost the majority of it's tension. They almost had me believing it was Fury for a second then all those shots in the hospital not showing us who was doing the off camera killing just cemented it for me.
All that, and he still has to be alive for the Marvels.
@@TheJesselopez1981True! I mean, they could have handwaved some magical medical BS on the Skrull ship to save him, but that just solves a problem with a different problem.
They didn't even need to fight Gravik, right? The ticking clock was whether the President would strike Russia or not, which they had a plan to stop. Taking the harvest to Gravik is an unnecessary risk!
It felt to me like the reveal should have been that Skrulls had actually been around since the 90s, and had been there the WHOLE TIME.
At the end of Far From Home we saw Hill/Fury transform into Talos and his wife, and I honestly thought it was going to be that Maria Hill had ALWAYS been a Skrull (albeit a good one). Same with Rhodey - he was so deep undercover that he had to fake having his spine broken in Civil War to keep the illusion up, and now he was finally able to shrug it off and be his true villainous self. Same again with Everett Ross - deep cover agent stealing intel from the Wakandans. Y'know, stuff with actual stakes and consequences?
But like, introducing a handful of new characters, having some of them be Skrulls, and then having them only be Skrulls RECENTLY just... doesn't do anything. It's a nothing sandwich. Not to mention killing off well loved characters fairly cheaply and without consequence. Remember when Coulson dying became the catalyst for The Avengers forming? Maria Hill deserved at least that much respect, if not more.
Super-Skrull is a cool enough concept for a brute, but seriously, ALL of the powers? If they just got the genetics from the Endgame fight, how come transforming your hands into Ebony Maw generates his rings and produces telepathy? It just not thought through at all. This should have been a paranoid thriller akin to Invasion of the Body Snatchers or The Thing, but instead we just got... kinda of a loose fart.
I would have loved if Maria Hill was always a Skrull in the MCU, especially with the retcon that basically everything Fury has ever done of importance was done by the skrulls. A Skrull who lived a human life as Fury's most trusted Shield agent would have been a far better "MC companion" than his skrull wife, that we literally only learn about in this show! It would have gotten through the concept of Fury's deep connection with the skrulls to not only have one as a deep friend (supposedly - the relationship between Fury and Talos was horrible in this, absolutely pathetic) but also have one whom he fully trusts his life and secrets with. It would have done so much for the skrulls existence as a story beat in this universe. Such wasted potential.
Instead we are given characters we don't care about to take center stage. At least Olivia Coleman's character was a treat to watch. And there was some genuine (if clearly unintended) tension on whether she herself was a skrull or not. Really bumped up the heart rate when Fury goes to get the Harvest and you have to wonder "oh is she gonna reveal herself and steal the harvest?" Cause that was just a really casual way of him revealing a genetic nuclear arsenal right there in that scene... would have been interesting if literally anything happened there.
This is a great comment but I’m stuck on this one aspect - I just found out some people say nothing sandwich instead of a nothing burger
Bro you literally made a better story about Kamala Khan than Disney will be able to write in a long time... and it took you zero dollars and 30 seconds.
Your idea for the Marvels movie, with the enemy getting four top tier power sets and Kamala beating her anyway because she knows the hero’s so well, is MILES better than any idea I have heard from the studio
and it only took them 5 seconds of thinking to actually come up with that idea. Its what happens when you have actual comicbook and film fans brainstorm for a second, which i cant say for anyone at marvel studios.
I have no interest in watching Ms. Marvel but if this happened, I'd go back and give it a shot. That actually sounds awesome.
That's basically Deku from MHA lmao
@@mydavegabicycle She’s a giant Avenger’s nerd, which is super charming (the actress nails it). The show is good, with a couple of great episodes, but fumbles the ending as per usual.
I think the biggest issue with these skrulls being hidden as humans is that we don’t see at all what type of damage they’re causing while hidden. Like why did it matter that Ross was a skrull? He didn’t steal any vibranium or double cross wakanda. Matter of fact he was an ally…so him being a skrull meant absolutely nothing. It would’ve been cool if there were skrulls in wakanda or something or if they showed skrulls trying to secretly take over the world instead of something super loud
Imagine if in Invasion of the Body Snatchers, we knew who was replaced by an alien pod pretty much at the start, no additional characters were ever replaced, and the Body Snatchers carefully kept all of the originals alive so they could be rescued later.
Nando v Movies said it right in his video: it's been 4 years since the last Avengers movie with the all star cast. Secret Invasion should've been a big Avengers type movie, with big characters, and big reveals, not being sure who is a skrull, etc. And they did this Skrull story in the animated series too, and there it worked. A 2 and a half or 3 hour long, big budget Avengers movie could've made the story work way better.
Earth's Mightiest Heroes did Secret Invasion so well. They sowed the seeds like 10 episodes in or something like that without us even knowing. The end of season 1 puts it in full swing. Season 2 executed it perfectly. That's what this show should have been
Honestly, even without the biggies, let us wonder. Let the support people possibly be skulls. Maria Hill and Colson should have been shady and made us wonder. Bring in Sharon Carter. Idk, I enjoyed it until the last episode when it just... ended
If real Rhodey said “Where’s Tony?“ as soon as they rescued him that would’ve been heartbreaking.
mcu forgot how to write good projects bro ur asking for too much
the idea that none of rhodey's development in iw or endgame actually mattered and that the real rhodey didn't get to go to his best friend's funeral is infuriating
My biggest issue was the grave scene. All the Graves hold a different item. You could just put them in one grave, there was enough room.
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Watched this series with my mother and brother, and all three of us LITERALLY said the same freaking thing! Like, what the f**k was the point?!
By having Ebony Maw’s DNA there’s the implication that someone had to track down the pointy brick Strange and Wong hit him in the face with. I love the idea that someone had to go do that.
Wasn't the implication that he bled on the battlefield in upstate new York?
Even IF they got it from bleecker street.. isn't that something damage control would clean up?.. and wouldn't they have some connection to shield/sword? Or at the very least fury would have a skrull embedded in there ?
@@johnnytee911 Oh you’re right- it probably was there- I almost forgot there were 2 Maws since the Black Order’s role was so minimal in Endgame. I was just thinking of the one time we for sure saw him bleed- then again it’s odd that there’s blood left from the Endgame one since he was erased from existence. Same sort of thing with part of Venom staying in the MCU- it’s doesn’t really add up but its ok.
@@solvemproblerstudios5889 black order got done dirty in both films
@@johnnytee911 I thought the black order was pretty good in infinity war. Not main villains, but filler villains suited their character much more than 4 main villain bad guys.
@@scotttimbrell8632 Better than Endgame for sure- and yeah, Proxima and Maw were both pretty good at just being dislikable obstacles. Glaive and Dwarf/Obsidian weren’t as well treated.
Congradulations to Marvel for properly adapting Secret Invasion back in 2011 when Avengers: EMH was running
Ben Adir does have pretty good screen presence but he certainly Super Skrulled some accents in this. As in, all of them at once.
I only really felt his screen presence twice in this series: the many Graviks moment (dulled impact due to trailer use) and the bit in this finale where he yelled a bunch. The rest of the time, he was just bland. I'd been expecting early on that he'd be a fakeout.
The way he say heart in one scene made me pause and say I'm sorry what? Lol
He chose a Welsh accent for the character
did abysmally, so muted throughout like even he didn't want to be there
I had to check if the actor was Welsh as he didn’t half sound like it. Turns out he’s from London. Gravik’s first mission must have been in Cardiff or something.
If you ask me, the writers strike have kind of confirmed what's been happening behind the scenes for a while with all these major movies, and why production's been all over the place
good
MCU should've ended after End Game and nothing that came out (besides the Spider-Man films, which could've been their own spinoff) has changed my mind.
@@asioca1992 Gotta capitalize on the success of End Game. It's the nature of capitalism unfortunately.
@@avastone5539the writers are the ones responsible for marvel when it was at its best. The more corporatized it became the more trash it became. Shehulk was literally made to fill corporate quotas
@@Grunk369 it just exposes the incompetencty of feige now even gunn his final real talent left him
The more I think about it, the more I think that the Skrulls should have been the next arc. The MCU wanted Kang the Conquerer to replace Thanos? Sure, he can be possible with futuristic technology and stuff, but the only way they can stretch him over an arc is to face different multiverse versions of him each movie, and that gets old. With Skrulls, each movie they could drop a hint that such and such a character is a Skrull, setting up the Secret Wars movie just like Thanos would make an end credits scene to set up Infinity War.
It would only get old in your opinion. We've already seen 2 kangs, both have interesting and great screen presence and character, both with different objectives and strengths, what is to say we dont get more interesting characters like that where each main hero has to face one and defeat them and then in the next avengers they have to fight a whole host of them to stop them conquering earth in another mighty battle that is larger than the force Thanos brought to earth. An army of Kangs, not alien creatures. To me that is interesting, to me thats what the comics did and everyone has enjoyed, to you I guess youre just assuming it will be the same Kang over and over and over?
Kang could have been the Man behind the Man and fulfilled the same function as Thanos
@@scotttimbrell8632, I was already bored of Kang by Quantumania, the idea that we have to deal with this boring maniac for a bunch more movies is exhausting.
@@Jaydee8652Again, that's your opinion. I think the 2 we have seen are interesting and we're portrayed well and interesting enough as high stake villains.
Thank god they mentioned Ebony Maw because that was driving me insane, HIS POWERS AREN'T GENETIC ffs and the director saying he "thinks" Rhodey has been a skrull since civil war was hilarious and just shows how little the writers communicate and how having multiple writers is a bad idea
If there's one thing Secret Invasion shows it is that even the best performances can't save a bad script.
This show felt like Marvel's insane secrecy around their plotlines (even from their own actors) has finally caught up to them. Now even the plot of the series doesn't want to show what happens so it keeps it a secret for the next thing.
Imagine if talos is never seen in his skrull form until the ends & he reveals he’s gravik & there is an emotional scene where gravik yells about how fury couldn’t even tell it wasn’t really talos. That would’ve had some kind of emotional weight behind it.
Rhodey got some decent character stuff after Civil War, so the idea that it was a Skrull the entire time... yeah, it feels distinctly like they didn't really plan it ahead of time and just picked an Avenger who was available. Like, bonding with Nebula, his rivalry with Sam, being there for Tony's death, it's all turned to nothing, and *for* nothing.
I'm holding onto the idea of the legs being a potential hint that the switch happened after Endgame like a safety blanket.
Or y’all made because he black and a avenger lol 😂
It did and the director is either an idiot who doesn't watch previous Marvel stuff or he's being instructed by K E V I N to lie
@@delmarfrazier2727 You’re not funny.
there's no hint or future plan, at this point it should be apparent how utterly finished MCU is, and disney+ also not worth
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 your mom loves it lol 😂
So I’m other words, Nick Fury literally goes “I must go now. My planet doesn’t need me.”
It’s amazing how they attempted to make a tense, paranoid sci-fi spy thriller miniseries with some incredible, award-winning actors and the whole thing is duller than dishwater.
Wasn't Skrull Rhodey part of the team that caught up with Thanos on that planet where Thor murders him? That planet is literally full of resources and peaceful and the Avengers ship AI system calls that the planet has no advanced civilization except Thanos who lives there..... and yet this Skrull Rhodey didn't bother to tell their Skrull buddies that he finally find an ideal planet to live
Even if he wasn't, someone would have clued Fury onto its existence after his return and said "Hey... I know the perfect place!"
That's why *none* of this makes any sense
Plus Captain Marvel was there too. Of course she would have brought the Skrulls there because it was her duty, right?
@@nont18411 There are so many more plot holes in the MCU now because of this show, it's so frustrating I'd rather it not have come out at all
I think the overall problem is that at this point, the whole internal logic of the MCU is starting to collapse under its own weight.
What? Y’all need to proof read before hitting send!
Also, I wouldn’t care how long Rhoadie had been a Skrull if it weren’t for the meaningful conversations he had with people like Sam and Fury (for obvious reasons), and his best friend Tony. Franchises retcon things all the time so the problem isn’t continuity for me, that’s easy for me personally to overlook.
Edit: yea, those two getting Ebony Maw’s rings was a moment that I actually laughed at too 😂
this whole episode is spot on, i don't know what's going on behind the scenes at Marvel, but certainly killing off the main/more popular characters that we cared about it's taken a huge toll in their storytelling, they don't have a clue how to get a grasp again, it's concerning
I felt it was undermining and underwhelming to have scenes with the rebel Skrulls throughout. If we know their plan and intentions it takes all the spy noir mystery out of the genre.
This may not be the first example of a production re-using digital props from entirely different productions, but it's going to go down in history as the most obvious one, I think.
poor Emilia Clarke, can't escape bad writing wherever she goes.
Literally. Always a highlight in anything she appears in but she just constantly get put in horrible shit.
she should consider a different agent.
The final fight scene felt like a tech demo reel from start to finish. Lol. Wow!
It should not be understated just how good Kingsley Ben-Adir was in the series. The last speech about flamethrowing the earth was phenomenal.
If they had someone closer to Fury who Gravik could have been disguising as it, it would have been great, but he plays his role perfectly.
This was almost the same length as a Secret Invasion episode. Respect. Don’t know how no one is discussing that Disney/Marvel shows seem to be around 30 minutes.
Thought it interesting how the finale was only 26 minutes. Almost all the other marvel tv shows had finales that were almost an hr or more. Really shows how little they cared about this project overall
One thing I've noticed, and which I think at least partly explains the bizarre feeling of Disney's streamed shows is that there is seemingly no 'time discipline' to the length of Episodes. Mandalorian is my go to example with episodes ranging from just over thirty minutes to almost an hour . . . But also having 8 episode seasons. No wonder the pacing is a mess in these shows.
In the first episode they really set up that Fury was done for. They mention that he can barely walk and his good eye is almost blind etc. And I thought that was all a ruse. He was playing an act, giving them what they wanted to see: an old defeated spy who barely got out of bed. But the twist would be that he was actually still Fury, just using his age as a tool.
Instead, it was nothing. He was kinda just old and sometimes he was sad until he wasn't. I even guessed his blind eye was replaced by a Skrull scanner or something and that's why he isn't wearing an eye patch. Nah, it's supposed to be because he's old?
Disney buys cool characters to turn them into losers. That's just what they do. Luke, Indy, Loki, Fury. They don't care about making a good story, they just want to deliberately make characters losers. At least the men.
@@William-the-Guy get out of your basement and touch grass
@@ExhaustedWombat Is that a joke ? Are you doing an imitation of a pompous asshole for humorous effect? Or are you being serious?
@@ExhaustedWombat this comment seems like it must be such a bad joke, because it's wall to wall assumptions, prejudice and stereotype. Which are all things supposedly open-minded people would be opposed to. So you seem to be in a very short space indicating you do not follow any of the principles you would seem to be criticizing me for not follow.
It's like you are a masterclass in hypocrisy. The maximum amount of hypocrisy that can be crammed into a small space. It's seems easier for me to believe that someone could be that hypocritical on accident, it's easier to believe they are being deliberately ironic and they are in on the joke.
I always thought the tomato meter gauges how much of the show was watchable. 8% of this show was watchable without wanting to gouge you eyes out. 😂😂😂
Some of the wholesale Marvel criticism comes off as glib these days, but in the case of "Secret Invasion" I feel it's warranted. It was jaw-droppingly bad.
There were many times I thought to myself, "I can't believe someone was actually paid Marvel money to write that...." Probably the worst dialogue I've seen in any Marvel production.
That said, the guy playing the villain was brilliant. It was fascinating watching him consistently rise high above the material he was burdened with. I hope to see him in better things to come.
Sounds to me like people defending Marvel in the past, like you just did, are part of the reason to why Marvel is getting progressively worse.
Marvel has sucked LONG before this.
Find it astonishing that you just write off marvel criticism as "glib". The MCU after endgame has been absolutely woeful and I'm so bored off people constantly going "what's with the marvel hate train" "is it cool to hate marvel all of a sudden" if you are constantly producing mediocre content then people are going to start saying something
You can find more of his work in The OA's second season, where he's got a leading role. I personally love that show
Is anyone else mad they killed Maria Hill? I genuinely think this show would have made more sense if Fury died and then Hill had to deal with the Skrulls after Fury failed them. Maybe the twist could be they killed Fury themselves after they had to wait too long and it seemed like he was bailing. But no, we needed Jackson's star power more than we needed a decent script, we needed a lackluster OC super skrull more than a historied S.H.I.E.L.D. agent who hasn't gotten much screen time and is supposed to take over if Fury dies.
Plus it makes the universe feel lonelier without a core supporting cast member. Will Bruce be sad about the death of Maria Hill or anyone who else had a relationship with her? No, this’ll just go away and no one will have to care and we lose one of the only non-superheroes left
No
Maria Hill being killed trying to stop the Skrulls should have been the inciting incident to bring Fury back to Earth.
Also, the fact that two of Fury's oldest and closest friends were brutally murdered by someone who's out to destroy mankind, and Fury decided to outsource the payback so he can talk to the POTUS when a text message that says "Rhodey is a Skrull" would have done the job, is just....
I mean fucking seriously, how easy would it be for Giah to walk into POTUS's room wearing a Widow Mask and shot Skrull Rhodey in the head? Boom, conspiracy foiled, and she wouldn't even be in danger cos of her Extremis infusion.
Why didn't Fury care when Maria died...why didn't he care when Talos died??? Why doesn't he care Rhodey is a scrull 😭💀
I was expecting her to come back alive in episode 4/5 like how Fury was dead for half of Winter Soldier
“I wanted two guns” 😂😂😂 11:39
Didn't watch (because I'm capable of learning from my mistakes) but I heard so much about it, it did make me go back and watch Winter Soldier and GODDAMN that is good! The spectrum of quality in the MCU is quite shocking, from the highs to the lows.
I think the thing I dislike the most is the retconning. Like how Nick Fury lost his eye. That scene and line delivery in Winter Soldier is incredible, then Captain Marvel retconned it into being a lie, or at least a joke. Now apparently with Secret Wars, Fury wasn't nearly as awesome as we all thought, he just had the help of alien shapeshifters. Sheesh. Now I'm supposed to re-think about past movies to wonder who was a Skrull and when? No thank you. Taking my MCU Iron Man 1 to Endgame and walking away.
Winter soldier is a b+. New marvel is an incomplete. Not even an f.
Who else is dying for the pitch meeting?
Ryan might need to do a 2 parter.
@@coyoteone6197 he can go so meta with this one
@@grantoden8242 A pitch meeting of Secret Invasion is going to be TIGHT
@@Shak2k11 yeah it will!
"I have a new series for you. It's called secret invasion"
"Wow, so the planet is going to be invaded?"
"No they're mostly hanging out at a nuclear compound."
"Oh, but in disguise?"
"Yeah but we know who everyone is and who the skrulls impersonate."
"Then... what makes it a secret invasion?"
"It's the name of a comic."
"Ohhh, cool, no further questions."
I've just noticed that at 16:34 Rhodey DOES wear his exoskeleton legs in "Falcon & The Winter Soldier" but under his pants, because you can see the little light spot coming out on his thigh where it's supposed to be. So he's always been wearing them.
You know the insomnia is bad when you actually arrive early to one of this bad boys
Top of the morning to you 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Morning!
That mug sync at 07:43 🤌🤌
Top notch editing
Editor knocking it out of the park with blue harvest
Does anyone else take issue with the idea of NICK FURY of all people, leaving his skrull wife (who must know a good chunk of his secrets) on earth for 5 years without so much as a home alarm system? Just a couple guns in a drawer? One of his closest friends was Tony Stark..hes literally supposed to be the most over prepared and plotting character in the MCU and the dude couldnt even be bothered to install a home defense system for his alien wife? What the hell?
The main problem with the Secret Invasion TV series was the _timing,_ with it taking place at a point in the MCU timeline when there were almost no Avengers or Superheroes in general left on Earth. The Secret Invasion comicbook storyline in the comics happened in a universe where SHIELD and Hydra still existed and the Avengers organization was crammed full of Supers, including the X-Men, Fantastic Four, the Illuminati, Tony Stark was alive etc. In the comics the story focused on the Skrulls infiltrating and replacing members of Superhero teams to make everyone mistrust each other while the Skrulls started invading Earth. Most Skrull duppelgangers replaced non-powered people like Hank Pym or Elektra and Stark's butler Jarvis (who was a human in the comics).
But in the comicbooks, the reason why the Skrulls could not easily be detected was that they could actually copy superheroes' powers already, like Black Bolt and Spider-Woman. (Although Black Bolt has an excuse not to use his powers all the time, hence he Skrull replacement only has to walk around and not speak.) The comicbook Skrulls could even copy magic-users' abilities, like when they replaced Doctor Voodoo. Or the Skrulls replaced heroes who had long been dead alreay due to non-Skrull causes, but the Skrulls replacing them pretended they somehow survived.
The TV series tried to replace this plot with an internatinal political spy thriller, with the Skrulls trying to start a war between Earth's superpowers instead of between Earth's actual superheroes and the Skrull empire. But then the TV series wanted to have it both ways and veered off into a plotline "Skrulls want to learn to copy actual superpowers" (apart from their own shapeshifting) as well". butthe fact the MCU skrulls _didn't_ have the superpowers of an Super whose face they wore make it so baffling why no-one in the MCU TV series even _tried_ to come up with a scientific way to scan for Skrulls. Have Hank Pym build some Star Trek style scanner, or at least do a blood test for crying out loud! Star Trek Deep Space Nine did that during the Federation's war against the shapeshifters of the Dominion. The protagonists of _The Thing_ did that to check each other if they were an alien impostors! But here... nothing. THey don't even _try_ to find a way to tell Skrulls apart from humans!
“I didn’t even know he was sick” amazing reference
One thing I'm confused about is how did the humans survive if the skrull refugee camp was polluted with radiation. They said earlier on that the skrulls were able to hide out there because they were immune to radiation.
I thought that too. I'd wondered if I'd missed discussion of a rad proof vault or something.
The radiation is safely contained in the plot holes
And the first set of bombs were supposed to be dirty bombs, and no one gets affected by the radiation.
Whooooops
They just have a shiton of radaway