Dealer QUICKLY recalls our engine under warranty before FAILURE
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- In todays video we get ready to take the BMW to Mikey Dove for prep, we get the kit car on the trailer ready for Castle Combe, also we have some worrying news that an engine we built has a problem with the bearing on the crank, we need it back asap or the engine could blow up
If I was the final customer, of course I would be irritated at the news of the recall. At the same time, I would have the ultimate respect for the acceptance of responsibility and the desire to make it right.
I second that!
I third that.
Decent of them to own up to the problem, could have said nothing and let Barum pick up the bill when it thows the rods.
I'll fourth that 😁 sure it's a pain and inconvenience but I'm sure the customer will respect you more for being proactive and making them aware of the situation and the consequences of the damage if it's ignored 🙄
Sure beats GM changing the oil dipstick rather than address customers issues of engines using oil.
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Went on a speed awareness course a few years ago. Part way through there was a fire alarm so the course was running late. At the end everyone was late so poured out and set off at 50/60 mph up a 40 limit dual carriageway, INCLUDING the two trainers who, shortly before, had been self righteously telling us how evil it was to break the speed limit! Total hypocrites.
You mean after watering on about the speed limit they broke it , that is terrible
Lol😂
Try and keep the fire door exit Clear one day we will come and inspect you said fire man sam insurance man advice given with best intention keep up the good work lads
Maybe just remove seats and put in your van..refit at track ..🤔
I came here to say the same.
I've only scanned the last ten or so comments before posting this, and Houchins states the case very well. But I'd add....*just in case this complicates* and you get stuck 'holding the bag'...run it past your solicitor to get a binding pledge from the component supplier that once you start into disassembly, they are legally liable for all costs entailed.
You state (gist) 'It's a highly reputable supplier'...so this looks very good, and if they are, they will fully understand your asking them to sign a binding agreement.
Unless the engine has a main girdle with all the main caps integral, you can drop the oil pan and roll the upper bearing shells out and the new ones in. To plastigage for clearance on the crank mains, what I have done on lorry engines, is to put a piece of cardboard like from a cigarette package between the cap and the crank on say #2 and #4 and just snug the main bolts on those two. This holds the crank up to get an accurate plastigage reading on 1,3 and 5. Put cardboard in 1,3 and 5 after those clearances are verified so that 2 and 4 can be measured. Once the plastigage is read on 2 and 4, those can be torqued. Now remove the cardboard and install the rest of the mains. Con rods do not need the cardboard treatment. Saves pulling the engine in most cases. The restoration shop could possibly do this, or you could on the lift. Darn nusance to do, but so is engine R&R.
Used to do this somewhat regularly as heavy trucks required a bearing roll every 250,000 miles or 400,000km. The diesels hammered the bearings so eventually the bearing shells would fatigue and flake away like sand. Usually worked out to every second or third year for long haul trucks.
I had that with Wisco in USA we fitted a set of pistons for a Suzuki GSX 1100R engine for the TT they told us there was a fault in batch of pistons. Sent us new set by express from USA we re did the motor sent them the bill which they paid plus extra for our waisted time I was very surprised
Tread carefully, Lee. Make sure you have it in writing of your costs in stripping the Land Rover engine. I can see you doing the job and not getting paid?
Really stand up manufacturer to take the ultimate position of accepting all levels of responsibility for the problem. I am impressed as there are few who would make the similar stand and take that huge whack. Keep 'em coming Lee, makes my day when ya'll post something.
Get a voucher for the warranty labor from the parts company before the car even leaves the customer. Also, get the bearing company to handle directly without you, the arrangements with the installer. Huge risk every step on a resto, no expense spared job. One nick in the paint on the chassis and all the profit is gone.
At least they let you know, the company that supplied the bearings to your supplier will end up footing a very large bill!
Kudos to the company to admit to and try to rectify the problem. If the customer is pisses then he needs to grow up and realize the situation will be rectified. Things happen.
I hope everything works out well for you regarding the E30 parts coming to you out of Poland.
A carpet splash guard, I think they do a furniture one. May need re application after being sat on to much. It repels liquids (we have a product here (NZ) called scotch guard that is for both) all liquids either pool (easy to wipe/brush off) or simply run off.
Scotch guard is good ,,works on lotsa stuff..
This is the reason for continuing to deal with that parts supplier.
They're not letting things go crazy &
then saying it's not their problem.
They sound like you in that regard Lee.
Have a great day tomorrow.
Hope Isaac gets overtime for holding your hand to coombe? 😂😂😂
Hi,just past you on the A361 both the van and kit looking good in Barum orange.
Castle Coombe yesterday must have been a day of Dunlop aquajet tyres weather, never mind about dayglo waterproof clothing. It must have been Lombard RAC Rally weather.
BMW V8? That Rover block is from before BMW got involved
00:35 - Never ever been caught for speeding ever, which is quite surprising. Been caught for drink driving though in 2000. Long story. I apologised later to that new roundabout in Fishguard West Wales that I trashed, it was suddenly there! - I went straight through it in the fog at 3am in the morning. Ruined my trip to Ireland. That was a long 18 months that was, ban. 🙃
Get Harley Davidson Leather and Suede treament - for "suede cowboy boots"and leather trim for their bikes etc etc. Repels water and on suede will get wet and it looks wet and flat, but once dry use nailbrush and looks like new!! No penertration.
Interestng Vid......... Until you mentioned E30... 😴😴😴😴😴
Imagine if that LR engine grenanded the bottom end due to a spun bearing. The usual crowd would be crowing about 'another Barum engine warranty claim!" And yet, fortunately we know its a dodgy component because you've got someone with decent supply chain claims monitoring going on. But just shows you how easy it is for these things to be laid at your door. You have to assume the components you are supplied with are up to the job.
Jigs for vee engines? Best to design and machine your own. Get the Heath Robinson design drawing board out. You know what you want yourselves. I made my own BMC classic Mini special tools years ago.
Ex warranty claim assesor here, about the bearings, if you inform the customer within a timely manner, that would be your first tier the 4x4 specialist, the warranty, in case of engine damage, will be with the bearing manufacturer and not with yourself.
It is amicable that the manufacturer takes responsibility. Some vehicle manufacturers I worked for don't say anything and fix it when a vehicle comes in for a service and keep it quiet that there is a concern even if there is a safety factor involved.
The only manufacturer I worked for that doesn't hide anything at all is Toyota and they don't hang about getting vehicles in to fix the concern even if it might not go wrong.
I rather deal with that inconvenience than a breakdown or worse.
I haven't worked for every manufacturer so I can only speak for my experience three manufacturers and knowledge of practises of a few others.
That boring bar looks dodgy compared to a Serdi. Sorry Lee but setting a block up on a modern machine saves money . You use the boring bar and face plate on the single setup of the block .
It sounds as if the recall has " safety issues" around the recall. If that's the case the bearing producer will be held liable to any consequences of a failure of product. Personal injury claims are huge, against product failure. 👍👍👍
Rather than pull the Rover motor, could you just pull the pan in the chassis and roll in the new bearings? If any bearings or the crank show an issue, then pull the motor, otherwise, the customer has their vehicle back quickly.
Went for a speed awareness course donkey's years ago at the torridge council offices and listened to a load of oaps and suck eggs.
Have to praise the manufacturer and also the parts distributor for informing Barum on the issue they have found and also offering to cover costs. Alot of part manufacturers would of just buried there head in the sand and blamed someone else in the chain of building/fitting of the engine when something fails.
Yes it's a bit of messing round for the customer but if I was them I would be made up in being told about the issue and it would only reinforce the relationship and trust in the companies that was involved in the rebuild of the Lanny.
Didn't mean to startle you as I passed you Saturday on my three wheeler, presumably on your way home from track day!
Speed awareness courses are just another way to wring a few quid out the Public and of course a few cushy jobs for whoever is in the good books of the present government.
It’s easy to think you are a good driver until you go on a speed awareness course. Then you realise that you are not so good. You can argue about the appropriateness of a particular road and speed limit but the fact if you are not aware of that speed limit, the camera warning signs, your speed - then what else are you unaware of?
Sounds like the white metal has become contaminated which means it doesn't bond correctly to the bearing carrier material. You can guess the rest
Choice az cuzzy... Cuzzworth from New Zealand
Re seats you can get water proof seat covers usually used in vans perhaps you could modify them
Production line cock ups do happen, and they many only rear their head up mainly years later.
Ever restored an aircraft radial engine? Interesting engines they, their mechanicals.
Does anyone ever refer to it as Bare Bum Engines, because if you set up round 'ere they probably would
Not been on a awareness course but i know a couple who have. Neither had mentioned getting caught so got a nice surprise when both were put on the same course day🤣
How about giving tne boring machine a lick of paint before the e30.
I had to recall a cambelt job on a car the owner did not pay as agreed , by good fortune it was paid before release the second time , that was lucky
For your seats, get a pair of jeep waterproof covers for those rainy days, I feel like those should be a worldwide sort of item. As for warranty, definitely quickly inform customers of the recall, as well as get a written letter from the company stating all the covered expenses and full inspection process, I have plenty of experience performing recalled repairs and there has always been a technical document of what's to be done. Follow the instructions to the letter and you won't have to worry about the expenses.
For keeping the seats dry buy a cheap cantilever style parasol and base for when parked up. Alternatively fabricate and put a roof on it😂.
I was thinking something similar.
To keep things dry while towing make a fiberglass top.
Should be quite easy to have mostly sealed up if you stretch thick polythene over top and lay f-glass directly over that. Making it 'prettier' would need fair bit of extra work with more rigid set up (still pretty easy though)
Should only need rpm and wheel speed to work out gear. The rest is bullshit
If it will run as good as it looks the windshield will deflect it
15:05 - what are those strange dimples in the middle of those Mercedes knackered pistons?
Been on the “just for men” or “grecian 2000” I see 😅😅
You could try coating the seats with fabsil gold, use it to waterproof my soft top.
How about getting some water proof seat covers?
that trailer needs some paint, Orange maybe ?
Speed awareness course, you must inform your insurance company, it will up your insurance premiums, if you don't inform your insurance company they can void your insurance and your find it very hard to get insurance.
This is totally wrong. If they ask you then of course you have to answer truthfully. But most only ask about convictions, so you don't need to volunteer information they don't ask for.
At the end of my SAC they specificaly said you did not need to inform your insurance company. You did the course, and that was the end of it with no need to tell anyone.
This would not constitute a non-disclosure. If your licence shows an sp30/50 of whatever you are duty bound to inform them. If it doesn't you don't. Voiding your insurance policy? No, but the company would probably be miffed and would require additional monies before paying an ad claim.
Calico seat covers - they'll be less bum slippery.
Which vehicle 🚗 did you get done speeding in?
All in writing and action immediately.
if you still have the golf engine with low oil pressure,there is an article in this months car mechanics with details of the same problem and the fix.
That’s interesting. What was the cause of the problem?
The owner put another engine in, basically wanting a free fix to sell on. I think Barum still have the engine soon to be on an unpaid lien.
❤love the warranty stuff 😅
Wrap the kit car in shrink wrap to keep it dry.
The glimpse of the Mercedes camshaft looks kind of weird. Are they worn a lot?
"this is an engine" pmsl
Delaminating bearings are NOT good! Years ago when I worked for Deutz we had a main bearing go and it was a real head scratcher! Looking at the shell there was a strange pattern of spalling where the Babbit came off the copper. Sat at my desk for a while looking at it and then it hit me! The pattern was numbering, but in reverse. One of the numbers was a German 7! My theory was that there had been a wax or grease pencil mark on one of the layers which wasn't properly cleaned off before the layers were laminated. Showed it to my boss (a 50 State PE here in the US). He stared at it for a while and then said: "I see the spalling, but it looks strange". I said: "See the reverse German 7?" He broke up!
I think it's decent they've let you know about the problem Lee. Just get Devon 4x4 to get the vehicle back and drop the sump and swap the shells. Presume it's the 2.1/4 not the 2.0?
Over the years we've had bearing manufacturers make bearings (in batches of 100's) in the wrong crank size, tag location, integral thrusts too wide etc. From the expensive end of the scale to the cheap. Can be a right pita. Had it this week with a customer in Norway. Bearings labelled as .020" turns out our supplier sent .050". Had to send replacements.
Bearing delamination is a tough one though as you inspect the shells and you wouldn't necessarily know there's a problem. I've noticed some of the Genuine Lister Petter stuff at the moment is shocking quality. Coming out of China I believe.
If the company has a recall, it's up to you to notify next in line and inform them but end result will be the customer's discussion, as long as he is notified, good luck ,thanks for sharing sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
Be sure that bearing company puts it in writing that they are paying ALL the costs of this repair. Don't want to get everything sorted and then they say- " Well, we only are paying for the new bearings"
2 eBay waterproof seat covers and some bungee cords.
But it wont protect the electronic dash, steering wheel, electrics etc if its pissing it down on the journey.
I know you like to show off the car travelling but I always use a cover to protect against the weather and general crap that gets thrown up.
In general the recommendation was a max of 30 over on a Rover V8, some even suggest 20 thou. Seen a few beyond that but you do see some end up with a loose liner. I think I've got a block around here that's 60 over which must be the absolute extreme.
If I was the owner of the LR with the dodgy bearings, I like to know, it actually increases my confidence, as the manufacturer is standing behind their product and taking it on the chine that they need to pay to strip engines and get the bearings out. Would I be miffed, yes. but given a failure could do massive damage to the engine I'd rather get it fixed than possible have to scrap the engine
i got caught m4 bristol 58 in a temp 50/ 60/70mph got to do workshop driving is becoming a bloody chore
How do you replace the camshaft bearings on the Rover V8 engine. ? Guess you must have done it plenty of times!
9000 rpm, lol
Great channel. It seems that the fuel lines in the BMW go through the passenger compartment and look like they have rubber inner hose with s/s braid. Would be safer, if possible to run them under the car (using hard lines) and/or use teflon inner hose.
So you 100% are not a coward fir not naming the company. Intact you are doing the correct thing with this. Being a stand up guy working with 2 different stand up companies to try an rectify a potential issue. I say good on you an keep up the good work
I paid the fine and took the points when I got a ticket. I would have lost more money doing the course. This will be different for everyone, if I got another ticket then taking the fine/points may have been a bad idea.
Re paying for the engine work would probably be far cheaper than the parts potentially scrapping the block which the owner may want repaired at any cost because it's the original and they would never fit anything else. A bit of a pain all around and fingers crossed they remove/replace the engine without doing any other damage.
I am rebuilding a series 1 as per the one that you showed a short while ago
I was contacted about 2 months ago in relation to the same issue.
Fortunately there was an issue with one of the liners that I supplied and the job was delayed.
I was very impressed with the company as I am located in australia
A lot of companies would have not bothered considering how far away I was.
Large heavy duty, cut to fit seats. Secured with a tape of your choice, should keep seats dry during travel.
Glad to hear the manufacturer being proactive on the bearing recall. Understandable that you wouldn't want to torch them online. Hoping the restored Rover gets to you soonest to take care of the issue.
Should be able to replace the main bearings with the engine in a Landrover, just take the main caps off.
Put a sheet over cockpit on trailer
Put your rate up to control levels of work and weed out sone of what you don’t want. You can always drop it down a bit if things go very quiet
Might wrapping/covering the seats in (lots of) cling film stop them getting wet during transportation ???
my cousin and i changed the mains and big end shells on my 2.5 na defender we just took the sump off maybe you can do the same ,
Why dont you change the seats for mgf they are fully waterproof?
I would try making the speed actuators a bit longer probably about 3 nuts in total.
09:55 - Barum mind 😁😁😁👍
I hope its a purple tag rack from an E46?
Just notify you customer there's a recall its up to them if they act on it or choose to wait n see if it reaches past warranty
That’s the type of company you want to deal with.
get some v blocks it should help to make the round bar stable
A honest manufacture Nice.
Google waterproof seat cover lotus
Enjoy the track day 😃😃
Wrap the seats with shrimk wrap.
Clingfilm the seats
What diff is in the kit car?
The 3.5 S Motors were 10.5 to 1 compression as standard. So as long as super unleaded fuel is used there’s no problem.
I thought they were for '5 star' petrol which went out in the early 80's (98 octane)
@@1crazypj Nearly all the super unleaded is 97 to 99 octane (Even Tesco's is) Also Texaco for one have zero ethanol and at the most 2.5% (But by law they have to display E5 but that's the max it can contain!)
@@cunningplan96 Did not know that. I haven't actually driven in Britain since 2014, it sounds like things , although 'expensive', are much better than in USA where E10 is forced on 'everyone' because of know nothing tree huggers with their heads in the sand who do not want to be made aware that a single Jumbo jet (or similar) uses more fuel (and produces more CO2) in a single flight than I use in a year. Factor in mining vehicles and the military, forcing every private citizen to electric cars is totally meaningless
Like your setup for boring V8s. Ingenious!
Can't wait for cars to be all electric. I won't have to watch this channel. Well least it helps me sleep
Oh No! I love you guys but where’s the effluent going? Oh my days. Maybe I’m “the worst that could happen……”
The bearings are not your fault. Just get on it. Frankly it’s excellent that the supplier has fessed up and will cover the costs. Quality company. Do more business with them.
That TTs shouldn't need forging for 400Bbp Should be fine upto 550 on stock internals on most (performance) cars these days
This sounds like a no brainer to me. Good thing this company maintains a log of parts and where they come from for the purpose of traceability. Excellent manufacturing standards. Get what is to be done by Barum in writing, include the pricing details. Barum signs off and dates the agreement, faxes the agreement to the company wanting the work done. They sign and date the agreement, too, and fax the doc back to you. Then the work can begin. Both parties must sign the doc in blue pen before faxing. Blue is the only color that transfers in a fax. Blue indicates the docs are NOT copies, but originals. The days of a phone call or a good handshake are done. Get it all in writing. CYA = Cover Your Ass.
Some time when you have a real nice finish and perfect round hole bolt the main caps on and remeasure the hole near the bottom and see how far out of round it gets . You know all about deck plates. If you haven't got a deck plate you can use the bolts and an old set of wrist pins (gudgeon pins)cut to the right length.