Start Shooting 30 FPS! Here's Why!
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- This video is for those who are questioning shooting in 24 or 30 fps, and to spark the idea of shooting youtube videos in 30 fps instead of the "cooler" 24 fps!
I know I know you're a "filmmaker"! I get it I totally do! I also identify as one as well, but these days, unless we are actually making a short film, where no one looks into the camera lens, then for the reasons I stated (and some I didn't) I suggest shooting in 30 fps! Crazy right?! I know.
I hope you truly hear me out and question, just because you CAN shoot 24 fps, doesn't mean you SHOULD!
I try to keep it real in the video, I cover both technical point of view as well as the personal & emotional. I still think it's smart to use the frame rates appropriately.
Let me know what you think!
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Start 0:00
Mushy Video Problem 0:14
Electricity Flicker 0:43
How Shutter Speed and FPS started 0:59
Current DSLR Issues 1:16
Resampling during Upload 2:22
The Stutter Effect 2:37
Motion in frame 3:22
Better for RUclipsrs 3:48
It's more Personal 4:35
Like gaming 5:34
Motion Blur 6:38
But it's not cinematic 7:27
Cognitive Illusions 8:06
We're attracted to Movement 9:53
Tech got it right 10:48
Slow Motion 11:34
Final Resolution 12:22
Show or Told 12:49
Wrap up 12:54
That Guy I mentioned 13:03
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12:23 - This is my favorite part. It's nice to hear from someone who understands there is a proper place and time for everything.
24fps when shown to the viewer vs 30fps when told to the camera, I love it!
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Thank you so much for helping me decide on what frame rate to settle on for RUclips. In particular the 24fps to Show and 30fps to Tell. You presented the argument for in an easy format. 👍
I think this convinced me to switch from 23,24,25 to 30 finally :) Thanks for the great explanation!
Great video. One thing that is always forgotten in frame rate discussions/explanations is how the film is viewed. If we are talking RUclips as distribution channel we cannot forget that phones, tablets, laptops and other flatscreens are, today, in most cases and independent of where in the world (NTSC/PAL) 30 or 60 hz based. Showing 24 fps on a 30 hz screen will just result in pulldown recreating 6 missing frames for every second adding to any already existing 24 fps stutter…
Awesome lecture on shutter speeds. Gearing up to doing my own Vlog. Thanks Jeff.
This was really helpfull in terms of deciding what to shot for. Good arguments! And nice production/edit.
Nicely thought about, Jeff... I've been wanting to try 30fps for a while, (off camera), but when it comes time to shooting, I'm on auto-pilot and just assume 24fps is a 'solid' foundation (much like the rules for 1/180 shutter, WB, etc)... but I'm going to give 30fps a shot.
One gets tired of 'specs' & 'rules' from content producers all the time when it comes to filming and story-telling.
Thanks for expressing your creativity in this way.
Yeah i feel ya. It’s like we never really think about the boring, but it can be exciting!
thanks! i really enjoyed this. it is nice to see an opinion that is considered and balanced. i have been fighting for years with people about resolutions, frame rates and so on. it is the quality of the work not the gear or settings that get the job done.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great explanation, this is my 4-5th video about the difference between 24vs30 and what is better, and your explanation really resonates
The comparison when you trow the phone in the air was massive, with 24 my mind just had to follow the object and costing effort to predict it, while at 30 I could just kind of relax and take the whole frame-size in more, exactly the style I would want for my video's.
"24 when the story is shown, 30 when the story is told" - amazing sentence, I'm convinced and finally feel secure to shoot my video's in 30 fps when I start next year.
Thanks for the help!
Well DAMN! I'm clueless as to most of that stuff you all talked about, but I still loved hearing you explain it, because YOU sure as hell know what you're talking about, and it sounded very professional! So I'm giving you a 👍
The timing on me finding this post came at the perfect time in my personal learning curve. I really can't thank you enough! You have put to rest something bothering me for about a year since upgrading and returning to videography after being amazed of what I was seeing with mirrorless sensors. The little glitches you speak of seem to never be a hero clip for me but so frustrating when I am wondering why I had to scrap it. Was I the one...glitching? When I added a second body, adding the R6ii as opposed to the smaller hardware of the R8, I thought I would not see the issue but of course am working with new footage that has it in two spots. I literally swapped out every RF lens in the last year in testing and was starting to think I was definitely NOT on to anything as of late. This is the ticket for sure!~ I thought you might find it funny my term for it was "lens warble"....subscribed with joy!
you made my day with this information i was wonering why people love 24fps and im truly in love with 3fps now
24 fps is cinematic. It's mostly used by cinematographers.
Such a wise explanation. Really gave me a new understanding and perspective -- thanks so much!
Excellent explanation. It was difficulty putting these uncomfortable feelings I felt when filming in 24fps into words.
I really like this style of filming and love listening to you talk about what you're passionate about. I always come away from your videos learning something new. So thank you, Jeff.
Hey Jeffrey, well done. Thanks for providing some solid clarifications on the theory behind the argument for 30FPS. I rarely watch videos like this more than once. Here, I started it again and pulled out my notebook! I'd also like to thank all the commenters here. The discussion helps to drive the concepts home!
yes i'm glad you're looking to the comments for either supporting or opposing arguments. the goal is to be well informed!
Great video & explanation, thanks for breaking it down in a easy to understand video with solid examples!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks, this is a great video. At 3:00 when the traffic at the left swaps from 24 FPS to 30 FPS there is certainly a difference in how true-to-life it looks. I'm sticking to 30 FPS from now on.
Glad it helped
It needs to be mentioned though that what you see there is not true 24fps as it's contained in a 30fps video - it looks more stuttery, less even more specifically, than proper 24fps. But then again, there's no way to properly compare it in one video, at least not unless YT supports 120fps videos, with an even divider for both framerates.
I definitely agree. I just got the Canon R50 and Nisi 9mm f2.8 RF lens for shooting real estate. 4k @30fps edited/slowed down into a 24 fps time line gives you amazing, buttery smooth video. This new camera body, tack sharp manual focus lens with this editing has produced the best footage I've ever seen.
Great opinion, totally understand and agreed with you, well explained 👍
Extremely well done. I especially like how you remove the term “cinematic” from the the technical realm.
thank you!
yeah, it's a made. up word after all no? but i get it, I'm not saying other things aren't cinematic. just.. ya know! :D
Awesome video Jeffrey! Learned a lot 🙌
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Thanks for the advice Jeff.
GREAT VIDEO! this was precise and informative. You provided the use case for each format. This is a a great template for ppl to use making these types of explanation/teaching videos. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Literally noticed this same thing in 24p on my sony mirrorless, and never understood why, thats why switch to 30p for this exact reason, thanks for the break down
Great video and new sub here. I’m new to this but have been maxing to 60 not knowing what I was doing…. Especially with personal drone projects. Can’t wait to dial that in a little more !
Thank you! I have seen so many "cinematic" creators pushing 24p and I just accepted that it was the way to go for my adventure videos. I will probably switch back to 30 after watching this.
Great video, thanks for the insight, I’m new to the process so your exploration of the topic is saving me from having to spend so too much time fumbling in the dark (between frames ?😜), instead concentrating on what I want to create & show.
In my case the conclusion you drew was invaluable, so again thank you Sir, I salute you!
nice! I'm happy I could simplify the choice that works best for you!
Looks a lot smoother. Although I‘m like 10.000km away, it looks more like i‘m looking/watching through a window. Feels a lot closer. Thanks for that background information ;-)
I’ve thought about this for a while.. switching to 30fps for a while :) very underrated video.. thanks!
Thank you! I hope you like the results!
Great comparison. Thank you!
I'm in a PAL country, but I changed my camera to NTSC. You're explanation makes sense! Only CRT ou Plasma supported 25/ 50fps native. So I'm switching to 30fps after this video.
Great video! And not a stretch!! 30 fps it is for me from here on in!
Great video! You explained everything beautifully
Thanks for the perspective.
Legit advice, thanks for sharing this with us!
Any time!
This makes so much sense to me... Because math. 30fps just works better in ratios with shutter speed and other higher fps for slow motion. Spot on, my dude! So glad I found this.
Right!? Glad to hear you get it!
Very informative. I cleared my doubts thanks
Thank you! Great info.
One of my biggest regrets when I started vlogging was listening to all the 24 fps proponents and not using 30 fps right from the beginning. I've had fewer, if any, glitches with 30 fps during editing and none when uploading. It's much easier for me to pull stills from 30 fps, too, especially for thumbnails.
Oh totally! 100% I take most of my selfies these days from my video shot at 30 FPS! I’ll have to make a video on that actually!
I look forward to that. I'm still a beginner with all these things, so I would appreciate a video like that. Being able to take stills from the video is just one of those ways to reduce friction for me. Creating thumbnails separately from the video itself just feels like a barrier to creation at this point. Be awesome to see your process with video stills.
great info! And the background caught my eye and found out that you're also in NJ and some of the shots you filmed in I live in the same city :O
No it was Brooklyn NY
I am learning a lot of great ideas from your videos
Thank you brother. I've been saying this for time. The math is there. When watching on a big 4k monitor, 24fps youtube videos look off putting. Even stabilized, slowed down footage feels jarring. We need to let go of film standards, it's the digital age. Cameras are better, computers are faster, it's ok to render 6 more frames per second loll.
Amen.
finally someone nailed the explanation
Interesting stuff. I’ve started using a GoPro & Gimbal for filming family trips out and was recommended to use 24fps. I’ve no idea what I’m doing so will try 30fps and will compare. Thanks dude.
Yeah try it out. You might like how it looks!
Great video and explanation. As a tech RUclipsr this video has been very helpeful and convinced me to do 30fps when I do talking head
Try it out for sure and see how you like it, I think once you go 30 for talking head, it’s really hard to go back to 24
Very well said, thanks.
Good insight man
Love the argument. I'm sold. 30 it is. thanks!
Thank you. 24fps is good for film projection (at 24fps), but filming for Tv & Internet streaming (30frames/ fields per sec) is smoother, and also requires a little more light!
Not really, you can use 1/48 or 1/50 at 30fps
Great job, thanks for sharing!
Helped me get started on my video journey. Thank you. Edit: I agree that having a perfect 180 degree shutter angle produces the best quality video. My rx100m7 only has 1/50 and not 1/48. So I have to use 30p 1/60
Thanks for making this video. great content
Thank you, you stopped my doubts about using 30fps, even though i shoot mostly cinematic landscape stuff. My initial decision was because computer screens (graphics cards) normally work at 30Hz (or increments) everywhere over the world, even here in Europe , and most people will watch my videos on computers ;)
Hey! Nice explanation! Subscribed! :D
Jeffrey, if shooting 30fps, do i use a 30fps timeline? we have been struggling with jittery footage and its no fun at all :) Thanks
Yes, always set the timeline to the fps of your footage.
Yes always match the footage
@@itsjoseperez thank you Jose😁
@@jeffreybuoncristiano thanks Jeffrey👍 Great video😁
If you shoot at 24fps, and throw it in a 30fps timeline, there is 1frame for every 6 that is duplicated plus one which gets x3.
If you throw a 30fps video into a 24 timeline, you strip away 6 frames (once exported out) and the footage can look more choppy due to the lack of frame blur.
If your videos are still choppy with 30 in 30, then you are likely slowing your video down below a reasonable threshold which results in the frames showing. I do this all the time because I am trying to slow down footage for a “dreamy” look and was too lazy to record at a higher frame rate.
I've always used 30. I feel like its the sweet spot. I agree with the 60 frame being too much. For vlogging, I'm not a big fan. Gaming, yes haha.
Thank you for this video!
Bro your excellent, I totally agreed with your explanation i love 30fps
thank you. i believe it's a fair belief.
Thank you so much !!
We've been back and forth on ours. This tipped me to 30 fps. 👊🏼
You can still do both. I flip between the two depending on if it’s story or educational
Finally good explanation.
Very interesting and provocative video. There is so much discussion and dissection of 24 fps versus 30 fps versus 60 fps. Not to mention 23.98 or 29.87. Its seems that 60 fps is more buttery with less dropout. And no one has really definitively solved 24 frames which is more historical vs 30 frames, which makes more sense. It's almost like pixel peeping. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
I really can't see significant differences unless really squinting and determine to see the changes. And finally, to be really convincing, with all due respect, you need to show a really alluring and mind blowing video to really appreciate the subtle differences and make your point.
Interesting you can't see the difference. I for one can see it in a heartbeat. But i "feel" it even faster. 60fps to me however doesn't feel buttery, it feels unsettling.
I agree the video wasn't mind blowing, but i felt like i did a pretty good job.
Quality video , very informative.
The GH5 has the 180 degree shutter and it makes 24 frames look gorgeous and it fixes what you are talking about. I also hated that and noticed that with these mirrorless cameras and I am hesitant to buy the A7S iii because it doesnt have the degree shutter
so there's such a feature in cameras? I never knew that.
so does the GH4
But if you shoot 30fps then 1/60 is 180 exactly
I would easily give a gold medal to anyone who can see the motion blur difference between 1/50 and 1/48 ss.
@@noname-cj6jp You cannot see it precisely but you'll subconsciously experience the slight blurriness of the footage.
Excellent video
Extreme helpful. Thank you very much.
You rock Jeffery, just bought a dji osmo action 2 shooting on 24 fps, looks like its skipping frames in the footage I recorded. I will try 30fps on my next fpv outing. 1/60 shutter 100 iso if possible.
The Buon LIfe, What do you think about motion picture film (Photographic emulsion ) shot at 30 fps?
Fantastic video. I really like the part at the end about showing vs told. Do you think real estate videography would work well in 24fps?
It could, but probably if you had a lot of b roll and a solid edit. But i would think 30 would make more sense as more true to life.
Thanks so much for that, very helpful.
You're welcome!
Great explanation. I'm a newbie learning Travel Vlog videography, and I was really struggling with this 24 vs 30 thing.
I watched many videos on RUclips regarding this, but your methodology was the best and the most convincing.
I still have one question though. If I shoot in 30fps, what TL do I use in the Video Editor Software e.g. Davinci Resolve? I mean 30fps TL or 29.97fps TL.
Regards.
29.97 because it matches the footage. But if 30 it’ll be fine too.
@@jeffreybuoncristiano Thanks a lot.
Right on man! I can't stand 24fps. I think there's massive artifacts being created due to frame rate conversion too.
I completely agree with the sentiment that we are the filmmakers that make it cinematic, not 24p. Thank you for making this!
@Gunner Cohen no
Amazing... Thanks✌
Thanks so much
I clicked on this video ready to reply with the grumpy cat "NO" meme, but I think you've won me over to at least try it. A well presented case, I dare say.
Haha I’m glad the veil has been lifted! Once you get used to 30 FPS, it is like the red pill and you can’t believe everyone doing 24fps for youtube is simply followers not thinking for themselves and looking at evolution. Being unwilling to change is only a detriment to oneself. It’s crazy too especially when you think about how little argument there is for 24fps aside from “it’s more cinematic” but like i said, it’s not. But 24 FPS isn’t bad when used right, same with tunafish, just don’t put it on a burger. Ha!
Thanks!
Nice intro. It's a very interesting subject. Can I suggest that you see some videos from RUclipsrs like Sam Kolder, How to Beast by David, and Peter McKinnon?
Ryan Humiston has short videos 3 to 4 minutes and that seems to the best duration.
Seth Feroce on the other hand has very long videos. Both have beards by the way!
Yep i think they’re great creators no doubt, but the 24fps can make their motion look upsetting. Not like it’s wrong as i stated, i gave reasons why 30 is BETTER. They could switch, and i bet you they will in the near future too, but that’s another discussion... Point is, when the camera is shaking on a vlog or panning across 24fps doesn’t look right. At all it’s annoying. But if you’re panning in a movie it works because of the relationship. Think about it relative to a song, if you borrow a chord from another key, it works, if you do it right, otherwise you’re better off far more often staying in the key. 30fps is for the viewer a more pleasing feel technically and emotionally...WHEN... the person is talking to the camera. FAR better.
Man this is literally what I needed, most 'cinematic' videos make me feel dizzy because of the 24 fps
same!
What about us in PAL system? Should I record in 25 fps or replace lights to DC LEDs and record in 30 fps?
You should use 25
You can also set your monitor to 48 hrz, problem solved. That is if you use camera with shutter angle.
Great video, Thanks. Just wondering what your thoughts are for youtubers shooting everything at 60fps? As I do use cinematic shots sometimes (slow-mo from 60 is enough for me) but most of my video is a talking head. - This leads me to believe I should just shoot everything in 60fps. Would love to hear your thoughts~~ 🙌
Eh
So 2 answers 1. Technically it’s a bad idea. If you’re syncing motion blur to shutter speed to fra,e rate then you’d have to increase the shutter speed for 1/60, which means your clamping down on the lift that gets to the sensor so you’ll need a faster lens (expensive) or more iso (noisey) so it will just always make your footage darker than 30fps
Second,
I think it depend on use and if you like slo mo. I don’t like slo mo so it’s not for me. 60 as mentioned imo is double 30 which is fine but a bit unnatural for the monitors we are viewing on currently. I’d say do it if you want to do what will be the norm in a couple years, but I’m going to see if refresh rates and color bit rate improves first.
@@jeffreybuoncristiano Gotcha, great answer. Subscribed thanks !
@@jeffreybuoncristiano how about always shooting 60fps at 1/60? Then let your project use 30fps at double speed to keep everything looking the same but skipping every other frame...then if you want slow motion, just let it run at 100% speed to get an actual 50% slow-mo...?
Great video. I never use 30 fps but now I’m going to try it. Thx
good luck
Interesting topic thanks
Thankyou so much. I think 30fps makes a little bit crispy and no weird motion blur.
well, motion blur is good. motion blur is the same between 24 and 30. Motion blur is controlled my shutter speed. not frames per second.
Great exsplanation?... No, it is EXCELLENT!!! Thank you, great video.
Thank you!
Great video! What would you recommend for someone looking to make cinematic travel videos? Not like vlogs but almost like short films, combining footage from a drone and a sony camera? Based on your ending statements i feel like 24 might still be good for that kind of content?
24 fps for you.
@@jeffreybuoncristiano perfect thank you!
Cheers, made a lot of sense. I've been shooting in 24p vlogging/drone, I see what you mean, the jitters are a real pain, especially when I steer hard on the drone. I will test 30p out. I'm in the UK and have seen comments about using 25p in the pal region, should I be switching to 25 or 30? Everything I do is outdoors with manual camera settings. I still get the kelvin wrong sometimes :(
if i edit 30 fps film should my final cut pro timeline be in 24 fps, 30 fps, or 29.97 fps? Thank you for creating such a well made video 🙏
30fps
Good explanation, I actually also shoot in 30, not 24 or 25 which is EU standard and I also like it more, 60 for example does't look good it looks too plastic, fake and etc, but 30 looks better in my opinion.
I think what people should really do is shoot whatever looks best to them. I prefer 24fps but you do need to be stabilized because any movements are more pronounced. 30fps is basic and does nothing for me visually. 60fps is handy for slowing down videos and still getting that fluidity, that 30fps just can't give you.
Keep going with the 30! Love seeing 30. Though I wish more people would play with lowering the shutter speed to 1/40 in order to get back the more natural motion blur. The way I understand it, having your shutter setting set to something doesn't run a separate "shutters per second" thing, it just tells the sensor to collect light for whatever amount of time is set during EACH of the 24, 30, or whatever frames. The problem is once again the "standards" that exist, that being the 180 degree rule sucking.
Try your footage with a 1/50 and 1/40 shutter at 30p, see what you think. Also, interestingly, 25fps is also NOT re-coded by YT IIRC because 25p is ACTUAL interger-correct 25fps, unlike 24fps MIGHT be on cameras in NTSC mode that DON'T have separate 24 and 23.976 options. Another thing that can cause the judder-bug is mixing the two up in a timeline. Then it gets double screwed when you mix them up AND THEN upload to youtube. Worst possible "correct" (by assumption) setting would be 24 actual(interger) in a 23.976 timeline uploaded as 24 to YT with a 1/50 shutter.
*_puke_*
OH, another fun fact. 25p with a 1/40 shutter will shoot correctly regardless of region and you don't have to change camera settings. The 1/40 divides into 120, which is an even multiple of 60hz power lines. And the 25fps divides into the 50hz powerline frequency as per usual. To get that with 30fps you do either a 1/50 shutter or a 1/33.3 shutter (which is a 324 degree angle).
Haha I love this comment so so much. One of the best ones yet!
@@jeffreybuoncristiano Thanks dude! I usually sperg out like this all the time, so it's really encouraging to see positive feedback about the things that drive me crazy as opposed to negative. Give the other shutter setting a try for your footage, maybe upload some samples directly comparing them (because god knows finding 30fps test footage or good cinematic shots is damn hard) and see what you think/like.
After all my weeks of research and agonizing over filmography questions, I'm just about set in my thinking of 25p-1/40 and 30p-1/50 being the new "baseline" standards to replace 24p-anything and 30p-180deg. And, of course, variables provided (powerline freq and natural vs artificial light being filmed) you can play with the baseline from there.
Ninja edit: Forgot to mention, I frickin LOVE your beard, dude. Excellent work, there.
I have a little problem, I shot in 30p and then a couple shots in 25, now I’m editing it in a timeline of 30p, what would you recommend me to safe the final export at the moment of posting it on RUclips and to avoid the problem of the different FPS in a timeline of 30p?
@@agustinyousef2530 well, the timeline will be whatever framerate you tell it to be, and it doesn't matter what frame rate you put in the timeline, frames are frames for the most part. but depending on your software, you'll either have those shots as looking a little fast, or the software will interpelate new frames to adjust for the incorrect frame rate to the timeline. you probably won't notice unless you're looking. you might just see a stammering look to the few 25fps shots. As far as exporting, i'd export in the timeline frame rate of 30fps. also, I'd take it as a learning lesson to make sure you shoot in the same frame rate next time.
@@agustinyousef2530 What Jeffrey said, though with the caveat that if you tell your software (depending on the software) to "interpret" the 25p footage, I believe THAT'S what will speed it up. Kinda the same as when you throw a higher frame rate into a 30p timeline then "interpret" in order to get slowmo.
Bottom line, play with the settings and see what works. I feel like the most natural looking solution would be black frame insertion, which is semi self explanatory. Basically just have your editing software and 5 non-sequential black frames per second to your 25p footage so that there are "30" frames to be played per second, but only 25 of them are actual content.
It'll still look like 25p, but it (hopefully) won't do any weird stuttery skippy crap nor be sped up.
Yup I agree I have been filming in 4K/ 30P for the past three years.
This makes me happy to hear!
Nowadays even some cinema production and TV series are shot on DSLRs/mirrorless at 24 FPS. Usually they are shot on Sony mirrorless (even despite the 8bit color). I don't find an issue with shutter speeds of 1/30-1/50. To cancel the flicker of electricity, you can reduce shutter speed.
For RUclips videos I agree, it should be 30 or 60 fps for more realism. For story telling, that’s another thing. Not only we are used to watch movies in 24 fps since forever.. but acting may look less convincing at 30 fps. Even good experienced actors could look a bit off because there is too much frame and you’ll notice more subtleties that he couldn’t hide. In a movie/story, less is generally better. Gemini Man has been shot in 120 fps and it shows.. some of the actors look a bit off sometimes. Obviously 30 fps wouldn’t be as intense as 120 fps, but it would still make a difference.
When I saw all my 4K 24p footage looking jittery... almost like frames were dropping, I thought my camera was faulty. I’m starting to think that might be the look. I’m a novice so I might just not know what I’m doing
I was thinking I was the only one.
@@bseldon001 I have the same on Sony a7iii. Even 30 frames gets choppy when you pan the camera...
@@dimkish1 Cos none of this feels natural to the eye. It's too slow.
Looking very Harry Bosch with the Rolex and the parachute chord bracelet
Liked him up, that’s awesome someone has the same combo!
The "Stutter Effect"...... THANKS A LOT JEFF! Now I can't unsee it! YOU'VE RUINED EVERYTHING!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤯
you'll never unsee it ON RUclips at least!
I was about to disagree with you and give you my reasons why but after watching this |||||||| you sold me. Thank you. I am going to try to star shooting 30 fps
They each different tools, for different tasks. hope you choose correctly!