Epic Mark, very epic. Well done. You have now seen the epic light shining on your media. And the man from EPL can now sleep peacefully again and will see all his subs gone tomorrow 🤣😂
Hi, Mark! your path is very close to me! I love your vision. excerpt question: I'm shooting sports and I'm not sure if I will slow down the video, which shutter speed should I choose in priority? Thank you very much!
There's one other situation where shooting at a higher shutter speed (or sharper degree shutter) is desirable: shooting a moving subject in front of a green screen. Any significant motion blur (such as 1/50 sec) will make it difficult to pull a clean key with nicely defined edges. Depending on the speed of the motion, it's better to shoot at a higher shutter speed such as 1/120 or even higher. Motion blur can be added back in post after the key is pulled. While a purist might say that artificial motion blur does not look exactly the same, if done carefully, it's better than bad keys that scream cheap looking composites.
Thaaaaank you. I was really wondering about this since I have keying issues all the time. This would have been infinitely helpful to know a long time ago.
@@thejamescorwin Glad this is helpful information. Sorry that you've had lot's of keying issues in the past with blurry edges. I've been in the business for over 40 years and I'm still learning new things - some of which seem obvious. So don't feel bad.
THANK YOU!!! ✌️😎👍 So far this is the shortest video with the most actual information that gives me a full in depth explanation that is understandable!!!
Thank you, very clearly explained. Now even I, as a photographer, have understood why you can't simply change the shutter speed with video, as you can with photography. I never found the previous explanation "this is the case when filming" so plausible ;-)
Thanks for listing shutter angle AND speed, Mark! I haven't been able to find shutter angle information ANYWHERE online, and my BMPCC4K only uses shutter angle. Do you recommend keeping the shutter at 180 (1/50), even when in higher frame rates? I saw one of your shots was at 60 fps and the shutter angle was still at 180. If I want to get a "normal" amount of motion blur in my slow motion shots at 60 fps, do you still recommend a 180 shutter?
Shutter speeds counts. Not the angle. No angle in digital cameras anyways. If you video at 30 fps and 60 fps, both with a shutter of 1/60, the blur will be the same. If you video at 24fps and 1/48 shutter, the blur will not be the same as taking video at 60 fps and shutter of 1/120. The duration of how long the shutter is open is what counts.
That is just the blur in one frame. For motion pictures, the fps it plays at too determines the motion blur. If you put the 60fps clip in your example on the 24fps timeline the shutter angle becomes 24/120 = 72 degrees. I will look more intense and jittery than a 180 degree shutter angle. I am not advocating for the practice by the way since you are effectively throwing away 3 frames out of every 5 frames when reducing 60fps to 24fps which is adding some visual defects.
The fact that the MBCU (Mark Bone Cinematic Universe) and the ELMCU (Epic Light Media Cinematic Universe) are colliding all of a sudden is incredible! Been watching both for a while now and cannot recommend them enough 😂
Question: this begins with using a 24fps, but does the shutter angle vary much if you were using a different frame rate? Like if you were using a 60fps then 180˚ would be 1/120 and 90˚ would be 1/480, etc. Just curious if that makes sense.
Very informative. It puzzles me that EVERYBODY talks about, the necessity of ND filters and the 180 shutter-rule. Can’t you get as good as a motion blur in post (like Davinci Studio)? One would be more flexible and wouldn’t have the hassle with the NDs all the time. Hardly anybody talks about the negatives/restrictions of using an ND filter like, color-casting, vignetting, not being able to use polarizers with a variable ND filter which is usually less of a quality anyway, bad stabilizing results, etc. If the motion blur is only done in post, without NDs, how good and easy is the result of a proper motion blur and quality?
Haven’t touched my camera in 2 years, kinda got hooked on the feeling of convenience when using my pocket 2 😂 but I want to get back into filming this year so this video helped a lot. I’ve got ND filters and stuff (my camera is very basic, canon 250D so more for photography but want to get a black magic soon)
one big question please, why everytime i put 24fps, my aperture on 2.0 and Shutter speed at 60 my image gets so damn bright that i cant even shoot than i have to high up the shutter speed so much like almost up to 1000 something i dont know to shoot with 2.0 aperture, than the image doesnt have that nice cinema blur,please someone help me i always get so confuse!
Thanks Mark but different strokes for different folks! Good information well presented but why only from the POV of 24fps??? I shoot EVERYTHING in 60fps and then EDIT in a 60fps timeline. Mark is right as usual but not being broad enough to edit on anything but an old-school 24fps timeline.People it’s 2021 so do we really need to be shooting and editing at only 24fps because that’s what they had available in the 1930´s and 40 ‘s with their old metallic mechanical shutters?!!! We now have the technology to do much better. 24fps has too much choppiness and motion-blur as there are too few frames. Especially when panning or scenes with lots of motion you know what I’m talking about! I have done many tests with this and that is why I shoot at 60fps and EDIT at 60fps that way your audio is still in sync but you have more frames to capture crisp, clear, sharp detail and movement in the scene and especially when you pan!! A little motion-blur is natural but fuzzy pixels when panning drives me crazy. If you shoot AND edit in a 60p timeline, everything stays real-time including audio. Do side by side tests. Try it you’ll see….
I agree about liking 60 fps. I noticed recently in an MV shooting behind that they were shooting at 60 fps. Then checking the MV as it was uploaded to RUclips, it was there only in 24 fps. 4K, but only 24 fps. Grrrr. Just guessing but they know a lot of their viewers are watching on a cell phone ! and/or don't have an unlimited data plan with their ISP. So the amount of streaming data or even just the streaming data rate might be a concern for them. BTW that video as uploaded is still beautiful and you can pause it anywhere and have a nice screen shot with very little blur. So they must have been using a fairly high shutter speed.
@@Pfagnan Would you happen to know the answer to 2 questions I asked in a comment a few hours ago? You might have to sort by "Newest first" to even see it. The 2nd paragraph is a question, and the 3rd paragraph is a question. It's about pro equipment which I'm not familiar with.
@@Pfagnan I think it was "held for review" because when I looked for it with a different RUclips ID yesterday I couldn't find it either! But I see it now. So maybe you will be able to see it now. Anyway, my main question there was to know what the pro type camera monitors mean when they display a number for "Shutter". Do they mean "Shutter Angle" or do they mean "Shutter Speed"? I have been collecting examples of this by screen shots from "behind" videos where they sometimes show this kind of stuff. I suppose now if I post a link to a screen shot that I put into my google drive, RUclips might not like it. So maybe I won't put a link here right now but I can do that as a next step. LOL. Don't want to be taking up too much of your time, but I think this stuff is really interesting. See if my comment is there now - they are stamping it as "1 day ago"!
Nice tips, and if one still wants some motion blur, of a good quality, can opt for Pixel Motion Blur in after effects, tried it even at 1/200 and looks just as good as a normal ratio
Fantastic video. I had never considered changing from the 180-degree rule until now. Your 90-degree shutter sequences for intense action were spectacular! Still cinematic indeed. Thanks Mark!
This is the best explanation I’ve seen of this concept - great examples and instructions on how to break the rules of needed. You gotta know the rules to break them.
I do find "more motion blur " increase speed impression. When i see a lot of tut preaching the contrary. such as this one . I shot parkour/tricking artist . And ofc i increase shutter speed if i go slow motion . But when i shoot 1/50 in mind that i won't make it slow mo footage . I find their performance to be more stylish and have a more speedy flow due to motion blur . I think this is situational , you can't always say more shutter speed =better for actions movement. I even add some Motion blur in the end with RSMB or force motion blur on after effect.
Thank you for this video. I learned something thus morning and I've been trying to understand this. I like how you added the fact that it started before digital and that I put it in context for me. Good job!
So good, dude! I used to think that it was a sin to not use a 180 shutter angle. Now I'm interested in experimenting with different shutter angles and frame rates to see how it looks when I had the camera on my FPV drones. 👍👍
Man, I am binging on your content haha, so good! Love this one in particular... your explanation on when to change the shutter angle is perfect! I very recently starting getting into video and have been sticking to the 180 degree rule (like it or not) but like you explained, for example, at 24fps increasing shutter to 1/100 ( 5:32 ) definitely helps with reducing that blur slightly to show intensity in the scene, but also actually being able to see more of the footage/what's going on as apposed to too much blur. Time for me to start bend the rules haha!
I was recently (2 days ago) experimenting with shutter angle, and fps, trying to figure out what's best, for different scenarios. I already captured the test footage, but haven't made time to review it on the computer. Chances are, I made many mistakes... Great video, Mark! Thank you for sharing your knowledge, and love for video. Appreciate you, man!
You explained it really well! I did a lot of photography, I even shoot some weddings and I transferred some of these ideas into video unconsciously (I even have the same ND filter) but I didn't know it was called shutter angle!
oh man, shooting daylight with no ND filters cuz it's all run and gun... nightmare! ahhh been there. Will you do an episode about flags, screens, and diffusing light?
Ian!! Good to see you on here. I have an episode about that that I never posted. I actually figured no one cared. I’m glad you do though!! I should go re shoot it
@@markbone Not enough people care about it! But then people who pay attention realize why the best directors often work with the same DOP's and LD's over and over.
i shoot at 24 fps at 1/24 shutter speed , (Not double), in low light situations.. lower shutter speeds will increase exposure but, also increase motion blur; may need a tripod or hold steady. high shutter speeds will decrease exposure but, also decrease motion blur; may need to add lights or shoot in day light.
You brought up the comments about shutter angle mattering more than frame rate... And then didn't really address them directly. ??? Well, obviously frame affects the look of your video's movement, but the amount of motion blur is more directly affected by the shutter speed/angle, although, the frame rate does set the minimum shutter speed you can use. You can shoot 60fps at 1/60, and get a similar amount of motion blur as 24fps at 1/60, but the movement will look more fluid because of the higher frame rate. You CAN'T, however, shoot 60fps at 1/48 second; some digital cameras will let you do it, but it's a trick and probably won't give you the look you're going for.
Great video. I had one question. When wanting to recreate slow-motion, like in your last scene. You are filming in 60 fps, the shutter speed is at 1/120 but the shutter angle stays at 180. My question would be if you want that cinematic “normal “ to the eye look but in slow motion, you would always need to change the shutter speed depending on the frames per second you are filming? And the shutter angle would always stay at 180? For example: you are filming in 120 fps, the shutter speed would be at 1/250 but if you are using shutter angle it would still stay at 180 (if you want that cinematic “normal” to the eye look.
I'm a PRO still photographer but this one thing eluded me for so long - motion blur in video and shutter angles. This is one serious thing that seperates still photography and video. I was using too high shutter speeds to make sure the frames were sharp but my videos looked shite. Thanks a lot :-)
If I wanted the same motion blur produced by the respective frame rate & shutter pairing of: 24fps & 1/100, but with footage shot at 50fps, should my shutter speed be at 1/150 or 1/200? My working: considering the conventional shutter speed is 50, you can arrive at 100 in two different ways, by either doubling 50, or by adding 50, therefore if the frame rate is 50p instead of 24p, should I add another 50 to the shutter speed again to arrive at 150, or should I double the doubled amount instead to arrive at 200? Probably a silly question, but math problems are not my forte.
Late to the shutter party - maybe someone will read this. In my newbie brain, coming from a stills background - there isn’t blur between frames, but on each frame itself. Imagine 24 stills played back in 1 second. If you have a slow shutter, each of those stills will have motion blur, higher shutter, motion blur will reduce. Then is it correct to assume that no matter what your frame rate is, as high as it goes, it’s merely playing back the stills faster. And whether those stills exhibit blur or not is based on the shutter speed alone and not related to frame rate. Any thoughts
Just gotten a real camera and starting my journey as a hobbyist and this video is really great. It really unpacks a lot of complex concepts in a simple, easy to understand way. Thanks for sharing! Shutter speed changed to shutter angle on my camera!
Motion blur is a direct mathematical function of exposure time, sensor pixel size, field of view (or magnification) by the glass used and relative distance of the motion from the camera. A hand moving quickly in front of a fish eye lens, but 1 km away from the lens, exposed with a shutter speed of 1/50 s (shutter speed, not frame rate) using a 0.5 M sensor (low resolution) will likely not create any motion blur at all since it is questionable if the hand can even be seen on the video. A hand moving at the same speed 3 m in front of a 1000 mm telephoto lens used for wildlife or sports photographie, shot with a 1/250 exposure time per frame and with a camera featuring a high resolution 100 M sensor will certainly show motion blur. So the equation shutter speed = 2 times the frame rate does *not* make any sense since things called "shutter angle" are only very indirectly related to motion blur. Frame rate is only about how many times per second an acquired image is stored on memory support, exposure time is the time the sensor will collect photons.
there's a formula for calculating these tho. for shutter angle, it's FPS X 360 divided by Shutter speed. and for Shutter speed, it's FPS X 360 divided by Shutter angle
Hey Mark! Thanks for the video! I have a question about shutter speed for big zoom lens like 800mm for video. As the subject is very far away, does the 180° rule apply in this scenario? Is the motion blur of the camera movement following a moving target become an issue and if yes is there any rule for it?
what if when I shoot at 30 fps (or 60 fps) and want to covert to 25 fps on premier pro, do I still shoot at 1/60, 1/120 or do I do 1/50 instead the whole time knowing that the final video will be in 25 fps?
Some guys in Poland did a great travel documentary series on YT, using Lumix GH5 (I guess) - and yet did not adhere to 180 rule and did not use NDs either. So in the scorching midday sun they were filming really jittery street traffic. I doubt many people noticed, but I was really disappointed - especially because they really aimed at 'classic film documentary' look, with orange&teal LUTs all over the place. Jitter betrayed their amateurishness lol
This was a really great video! I understood the basics and why we used the rule, but the examples of when you deviated from the rule was exactly what I was looking for. Fantastic! Thank you!
Totally agree with you about using ND filters to keep your preferred shutter angle (usu. 180 degrees) from going “sharper”/stacatto but I’m not convinced the opposite - going to a slower, or even global (360) shutter angle - is as detrimental to the footage as you suggest. I’ve done some testing with the global shutter angle - I wish you had spent a bit more time here on that- and the results are surprisingly good, provided there’s not too much fast motion in the scene. If your lens is “too slow” for the lighting and you’re shooting a candid interview, or perhaps some slow pans or static establishing shots, it’s a great way to add a whole stop of light (or ISO stop) to your exposure without taking too big of a hit, aesthetically, IMO. I urge all shooters to try it before making decision to treat the slower shutter angle as detrimental to the feeling of the scene as the faster shutter angle typically is.
exactly this. I filmed in 360 shutter angle once by mistake and didn't even notice any difference due to minimal movement. The scene was static and already dark. On the plus side, as you said, you gain another stop of light without sacrificing quality, which can be a lifesaver when you have no light source available.
Was ist die richtige Bildrate und Verschlusszeit für Slowmotion Videos? Regel ist: (Die Faustregel für die Belichtungszeit lautet: Doppelte Framerate. Bei 25 p, sollte man also mit 1/50 Sekunde belichten, bei 50fps mit 1/100 Sekunde). Das bedeutet für eine Slowmotion Mit 4 Fächer langsamer bei 25P aufnahmeinstelung und 100 Bildfrequenz soll Belichtungszeit 1/200 Sekunden sein. Meine frag ist warum bei Sony S&Q Mode. Wenn ich 25P und 100 FPS einstellen warum Belichtungszeit wird automatich auf 1/100 Sekunde statt 1/200 Sekunde. Viele Lieben dank für ihre Aufmerksamkeit und Antworten. What is the right frame rate and shutter speed for slow motion videos? The rule is: (The rule of thumb for the exposure time is: double the frame rate. At 25 p, you should expose with 1/50 second, with 50 fps with 1/100 second). That means for a slow motion with 4 compartments slower at 25P and 100 frame rate exposure time should be 1/200 seconds. My question is why with Sony S&Q Mode. When I set 25P and 100 FPS why exposure time is automatically set to 1/100 second instead of 1/200 second. Many thanks for your attention and answers.
Really interesting and helpful. But one question: if shooting, say 120fps for slowing parts down to slow mo but keeping other parts in ‘real time’ (24fps, or 25fps in Europe) what shutter do you recommend? Cheers!
I graduated college in 2010 and in school we only learned shooting on film. Sup.8 16mm 35mm. & spent 2 semesters learning how to cut, paste/ edit film just for it to be obsolete once I got my degree 😑 The mainstream digital age was still a couple years away. So it's refreshing hear someone with knowledge of actual film cine cams
I think it's also important to say that it also impacts the the lighting of your shot. When increasing shutter speed, ISO needs to pulled up too. Otherwise the picture is darker. Would just be nice to put it out there for those who do not know that.
@@markbone But that is the thing Mark. That doesn't go without saying, for someone who for instance wants to get in and doesn't know those facts. I mean I know it cause I learned it because I have been told and yes I made the experience. But knowing that impies that you have to think that: if I change that I also have to change that or that. And everything can affect an image somehow. Anyaway... All good. I wish you a very nice week end Mark.
Thank you for the education. So many channels make it sound taboo to not follow the 180 degree angle for video that it has kinda been indoctrinated as the holy grail of cinematography. Great perspective and explanation as why you would go outside of these settings, with reason.
Yeh but then again mentions at the end not to crank up the shutter for video to adjust exposure and follow the 180 rule … I want to avoid ND filters as they give false colors…. So whats the alternate then????
Hi Mark Glad you posted this. I have a doubt. My cam is Nikon d610 When I set aperture priority for video It sets shutter speed as 1/24 for 24fps rule. Why camera company not following 180 degree rule here? And I find 1/24 shutter speed is good blurry than 1/50. I verified with ceiling fan. With 1/50, the fan blades are jittery.
I'd be careful with your language here! You mention "increasing shutter angle" and "increase your shutter" when you're actually talking about making the shutter angle smaller (faster). Increasing shutter angle = decreasing shutter speed = exposing for longer for each frame and decreasing shutter angle = increasing shutter speed = exposing for less time each frame.
I’d be careful with your language mate, using words like “about” and “smaller” and especially throwing words around like “for” and “the”. Its dangerous.
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Hi, Mark!
your path is very close to me!
I love your vision.
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I'm shooting sports and I'm not sure if I will slow down the video, which shutter speed should I choose in priority?
Thank you very much!
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There's one other situation where shooting at a higher shutter speed (or sharper degree shutter) is desirable: shooting a moving subject in front of a green screen. Any significant motion blur (such as 1/50 sec) will make it difficult to pull a clean key with nicely defined edges. Depending on the speed of the motion, it's better to shoot at a higher shutter speed such as 1/120 or even higher. Motion blur can be added back in post after the key is pulled. While a purist might say that artificial motion blur does not look exactly the same, if done carefully, it's better than bad keys that scream cheap looking composites.
Good information.
@@bogdanpopescu8406, I'm glad the info was helpful.
Thaaaaank you. I was really wondering about this since I have keying issues all the time. This would have been infinitely helpful to know a long time ago.
@@thejamescorwin Glad this is helpful information. Sorry that you've had lot's of keying issues in the past with blurry edges. I've been in the business for over 40 years and I'm still learning new things - some of which seem obvious. So don't feel bad.
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THANK YOU!!! ✌️😎👍 So far this is the shortest video with the most actual information that gives me a full in depth explanation that is understandable!!!
Thank you, very clearly explained. Now even I, as a photographer, have understood why you can't simply change the shutter speed with video, as you can with photography. I never found the previous explanation "this is the case when filming" so plausible ;-)
Please keep making this kind of videos : )
Thanks for listing shutter angle AND speed, Mark! I haven't been able to find shutter angle information ANYWHERE online, and my BMPCC4K only uses shutter angle.
Do you recommend keeping the shutter at 180 (1/50), even when in higher frame rates? I saw one of your shots was at 60 fps and the shutter angle was still at 180. If I want to get a "normal" amount of motion blur in my slow motion shots at 60 fps, do you still recommend a 180 shutter?
Actually, you can choose shutter speed instead of angle in the Pocket4K. In the Menu, go to SETUP - SHUTTER MEASUREMENT.
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Didnt know David Guetta was into Cinematography tho
Shutter speeds counts. Not the angle. No angle in digital cameras anyways. If you video at 30 fps and 60 fps, both with a shutter of 1/60, the blur will be the same. If you video at 24fps and 1/48 shutter, the blur will not be the same as taking video at 60 fps and shutter of 1/120. The duration of how long the shutter is open is what counts.
That is just the blur in one frame. For motion pictures, the fps it plays at too determines the motion blur. If you put the 60fps clip in your example on the 24fps timeline the shutter angle becomes 24/120 = 72 degrees. I will look more intense and jittery than a 180 degree shutter angle. I am not advocating for the practice by the way since you are effectively throwing away 3 frames out of every 5 frames when reducing 60fps to 24fps which is adding some visual defects.
I'm a full time youtuber, and this helped me alot. I have watched 100s of videos in same topic, but seriously yours was "The BEST".
The fact that the MBCU (Mark Bone Cinematic Universe) and the ELMCU (Epic Light Media Cinematic Universe) are colliding all of a sudden is incredible! Been watching both for a while now and cannot recommend them enough 😂
I hope you went and left a message on ELMCU. let me them know I sent you 😬
How are they colliding?
Question: this begins with using a 24fps, but does the shutter angle vary much if you were using a different frame rate? Like if you were using a 60fps then 180˚ would be 1/120 and 90˚ would be 1/480, etc. Just curious if that makes sense.
It’s 2024. Why are camera manufacturers still making you expose video with shutter speed.
Very informative. It puzzles me that EVERYBODY talks about, the necessity of ND filters and the 180 shutter-rule. Can’t you get as good as a motion blur in post (like Davinci Studio)? One would be more flexible and wouldn’t have the hassle with the NDs all the time. Hardly anybody talks about the negatives/restrictions of using an ND filter like, color-casting, vignetting, not being able to use polarizers with a variable ND filter which is usually less of a quality anyway, bad stabilizing results, etc.
If the motion blur is only done in post, without NDs, how good and easy is the result of a proper motion blur and quality?
Haven’t touched my camera in 2 years, kinda got hooked on the feeling of convenience when using my pocket 2 😂 but I want to get back into filming this year so this video helped a lot. I’ve got ND filters and stuff (my camera is very basic, canon 250D so more for photography but want to get a black magic soon)
one big question please, why everytime i put 24fps, my aperture on 2.0 and Shutter speed at 60 my image gets so damn bright that i cant even shoot than i have to high up the shutter speed so much like almost up to 1000 something i dont know to shoot with 2.0 aperture, than the image doesnt have that nice cinema blur,please someone help me i always get so confuse!
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very helpful, thank you!!
Thanks Mark but different strokes for different folks! Good information well presented but why only from the POV of 24fps??? I shoot EVERYTHING in 60fps and then EDIT in a 60fps timeline. Mark is right as usual but not being broad enough to edit on anything but an old-school 24fps timeline.People it’s 2021 so do we really need to be shooting and editing at only 24fps because that’s what they had available in the 1930´s and 40 ‘s with their old metallic mechanical shutters?!!! We now have the technology to do much better. 24fps has too much choppiness and motion-blur as there are too few frames. Especially when panning or scenes with lots of motion you know what I’m talking about! I have done many tests with this and that is why I shoot at 60fps and EDIT at 60fps that way your audio is still in sync but you have more frames to capture crisp, clear, sharp detail and movement in the scene and especially when you pan!! A little motion-blur is natural but fuzzy pixels when panning drives me crazy. If you shoot AND edit in a 60p timeline, everything stays real-time including audio. Do side by side tests. Try it you’ll see….
I agree about liking 60 fps. I noticed recently in an MV shooting behind that they were shooting at 60 fps. Then checking the MV as it was uploaded to RUclips, it was there only in 24 fps. 4K, but only 24 fps. Grrrr. Just guessing but they know a lot of their viewers are watching on a cell phone ! and/or don't have an unlimited data plan with their ISP. So the amount of streaming data or even just the streaming data rate might be a concern for them.
BTW that video as uploaded is still beautiful and you can pause it anywhere and have a nice screen shot with very little blur. So they must have been using a fairly high shutter speed.
@@BioCosmic--Dust Ya the trick is to shoot, edit and upload all in 60 fps. Going to old-school 24 p defeats the purpose
@@Pfagnan Would you happen to know the answer to 2 questions I asked in a comment a few hours ago? You might have to sort by "Newest first" to even see it. The 2nd paragraph is a question, and the 3rd paragraph is a question. It's about pro equipment which I'm not familiar with.
@@BioCosmic--Dust Sorry but I don’t see your questions anywhere!
@@Pfagnan I think it was "held for review" because when I looked for it with a different RUclips ID yesterday I couldn't find it either! But I see it now. So maybe you will be able to see it now. Anyway, my main question there was to know what the pro type camera monitors mean when they display a number for "Shutter". Do they mean "Shutter Angle" or do they mean "Shutter Speed"? I have been collecting examples of this by screen shots from "behind" videos where they sometimes show this kind of stuff. I suppose now if I post a link to a screen shot that I put into my google drive, RUclips might not like it. So maybe I won't put a link here right now but I can do that as a next step. LOL. Don't want to be taking up too much of your time, but I think this stuff is really interesting. See if my comment is there now - they are stamping it as "1 day ago"!
Nice tips, and if one still wants some motion blur, of a good quality, can opt for Pixel Motion Blur in after effects, tried it even at 1/200 and looks just as good as a normal ratio
But if you were playing back at 60fps you would still want a 48th shutter speed to maintain the same blur as 24/48
Fantastic video. I had never considered changing from the 180-degree rule until now. Your 90-degree shutter sequences for intense action were spectacular! Still cinematic indeed. Thanks Mark!
Good stuff bro! Freaking great info here for beginners like me, keep it up!!
Thank you for the feedback! So glad it's helping
This is the best explanation I’ve seen of this concept - great examples and instructions on how to break the rules of needed. You gotta know the rules to break them.
Know the rules. Then go break them.
I do find "more motion blur " increase speed impression. When i see a lot of tut preaching the contrary. such as this one . I shot parkour/tricking artist . And ofc i increase shutter speed if i go slow motion . But when i shoot 1/50 in mind that i won't make it slow mo footage . I find their performance to be more stylish and have a more speedy flow due to motion blur . I think this is situational , you can't always say more shutter speed =better for actions movement. I even add some Motion blur in the end with RSMB or force motion blur on after effect.
Thank you for this video. I learned something thus morning and I've been trying to understand this. I like how you added the fact that it started before digital and that I put it in context for me. Good job!
Thanks for letting me know!!Do glad this helped :)
So good, dude! I used to think that it was a sin to not use a 180 shutter angle. Now I'm interested in experimenting with different shutter angles and frame rates to see how it looks when I had the camera on my FPV drones. 👍👍
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Love it. Go tell him I said hello ;)
Man, I am binging on your content haha, so good! Love this one in particular... your explanation on when to change the shutter angle is perfect! I very recently starting getting into video and have been sticking to the 180 degree rule (like it or not) but like you explained, for example, at 24fps increasing shutter to 1/100 ( 5:32 ) definitely helps with reducing that blur slightly to show intensity in the scene, but also actually being able to see more of the footage/what's going on as apposed to too much blur. Time for me to start bend the rules haha!
I was recently (2 days ago) experimenting with shutter angle, and fps, trying to figure out what's best, for different scenarios. I already captured the test footage, but haven't made time to review it on the computer. Chances are, I made many mistakes...
Great video, Mark! Thank you for sharing your knowledge, and love for video. Appreciate you, man!
You explained it really well! I did a lot of photography, I even shoot some weddings and I transferred some of these ideas into video unconsciously (I even have the same ND filter) but I didn't know it was called shutter angle!
man you confusing shutter angle with shutter speed, but I love you anyway
oh man, shooting daylight with no ND filters cuz it's all run and gun... nightmare! ahhh been there. Will you do an episode about flags, screens, and diffusing light?
Ian!! Good to see you on here. I have an episode about that that I never posted. I actually figured no one cared. I’m glad you do though!! I should go re shoot it
@@markbone Not enough people care about it! But then people who pay attention realize why the best directors often work with the same DOP's and LD's over and over.
i shoot at 24 fps at 1/24 shutter speed , (Not double), in low light situations..
lower shutter speeds will increase exposure but, also increase motion blur; may need a tripod or hold steady.
high shutter speeds will decrease exposure but, also decrease motion blur; may need to add lights or shoot in day light.
Your video certainly leaves a mark in explaining the bone of shutter use.
You brought up the comments about shutter angle mattering more than frame rate... And then didn't really address them directly.
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Well, obviously frame affects the look of your video's movement, but the amount of motion blur is more directly affected by the shutter speed/angle, although, the frame rate does set the minimum shutter speed you can use. You can shoot 60fps at 1/60, and get a similar amount of motion blur as 24fps at 1/60, but the movement will look more fluid because of the higher frame rate. You CAN'T, however, shoot 60fps at 1/48 second; some digital cameras will let you do it, but it's a trick and probably won't give you the look you're going for.
Great video. I had one question. When wanting to recreate slow-motion, like in your last scene. You are filming in 60 fps, the shutter speed is at 1/120 but the shutter angle stays at 180.
My question would be if you want that cinematic “normal “ to the eye look but in slow motion, you would always need to change the shutter speed depending on the frames per second you are filming? And the shutter angle would always stay at 180?
For example: you are filming in 120 fps, the shutter speed would be at 1/250 but if you are using shutter angle it would still stay at 180 (if you want that cinematic “normal” to the eye look.
I have a Sony HDR-CX405 Handycam and have the settings set AVCHD 60p if set at 60i the action is blurred.
I'm a PRO still photographer but this one thing eluded me for so long - motion blur in video and shutter angles. This is one serious thing that seperates still photography and video. I was using too high shutter speeds to make sure the frames were sharp but my videos looked shite. Thanks a lot :-)
If I wanted the same motion blur produced by the respective frame rate & shutter pairing of: 24fps & 1/100, but with footage shot at 50fps, should my shutter speed be at 1/150 or 1/200? My working: considering the conventional shutter speed is 50, you can arrive at 100 in two different ways, by either doubling 50, or by adding 50, therefore if the frame rate is 50p instead of 24p, should I add another 50 to the shutter speed again to arrive at 150, or should I double the doubled amount instead to arrive at 200? Probably a silly question, but math problems are not my forte.
Late to the shutter party - maybe someone will read this. In my newbie brain, coming from a stills background - there isn’t blur between frames, but on each frame itself. Imagine 24 stills played back in 1 second. If you have a slow shutter, each of those stills will have motion blur, higher shutter, motion blur will reduce. Then is it correct to assume that no matter what your frame rate is, as high as it goes, it’s merely playing back the stills faster. And whether those stills exhibit blur or not is based on the shutter speed alone and not related to frame rate. Any thoughts
MAN! I just saw Beauty of the Battle... MY GOD!!!! that dance was amazing!!!
No, LEDs are either 50Hz or 60Hz power, and you should use 55Hz because it will stop the flicker for both 50Hz and 60Hz power.
Just gotten a real camera and starting my journey as a hobbyist and this video is really great. It really unpacks a lot of complex concepts in a simple, easy to understand way. Thanks for sharing! Shutter speed changed to shutter angle on my camera!
18 fps shutter speed?????
Motion blur is a direct mathematical function of exposure time, sensor pixel size, field of view (or magnification) by the glass used and relative distance of the motion from the camera.
A hand moving quickly in front of a fish eye lens, but 1 km away from the lens, exposed with a shutter speed of 1/50 s (shutter speed, not frame rate) using a 0.5 M sensor (low resolution) will likely not create any motion blur at all since it is questionable if the hand can even be seen on the video.
A hand moving at the same speed 3 m in front of a 1000 mm telephoto lens used for wildlife or sports photographie, shot with a 1/250 exposure time per frame and with a camera featuring a high resolution 100 M sensor will certainly show motion blur. So the equation shutter speed = 2 times the frame rate does *not* make any sense since things called "shutter angle" are only very indirectly related to motion blur. Frame rate is only about how many times per second an acquired image is stored on memory support, exposure time is the time the sensor will collect photons.
there's a formula for calculating these tho. for shutter angle, it's FPS X 360 divided by Shutter speed. and for Shutter speed, it's FPS X 360 divided by Shutter angle
Hey Mark! Thanks for the video! I have a question about shutter speed for big zoom lens like 800mm for video. As the subject is very far away, does the 180° rule apply in this scenario? Is the motion blur of the camera movement following a moving target become an issue and if yes is there any rule for it?
Probably the most I've learned about a video technique in years. Great content!
what if when I shoot at 30 fps (or 60 fps) and want to covert to 25 fps on premier pro, do I still shoot at 1/60, 1/120 or do I do 1/50 instead the whole time knowing that the final video will be in 25 fps?
I wonder what shutter settings were used in Hong Kong action films. I only know they use 22 fps for the wide shots and 24 for the tight shots.
May I ask about the Degree? I am also a cameraman but I don't understand the matter of degree in camera setting.
Thanks, Mark, I have always wondered when not to change the standard 180 rule and know I know, hooray for RUclips university. 🙏
haha. YT University should give out diplomas
Nice vid 🤣 love the ending
haha ;) go send some love!
Saving private Ryan …has more motion blur or less ? Can’t make out
Thank you so much..going to get a ND filter after the lockdown.
what happens when you don't have nd filters and it's super bright so you shoot like 30fps @ 1/1000 shutter? even more jittery???
why does my R6 look smoother with a shutter speed of 1/24 vs 1/50 at 24 FPS?
so when you say shutter angle you mean shutter speed. Angle throws people off, as it sounds like geometry.
That's the best video by faaaaaaarrrrrr about the 180 degree rule. Amazing, thank you !!
Good explanation, Mark.
hello .i just have a question at 09:00 min 180* 1/120 ?? is it right .cuz before u said 72* 1/120
I like using a high shutter when doing sports, or car shots, otherwise, always 180
100%
So you want more motion blur when filming sports? Cause the higher the number of shutterspeed the more motion blur right.
@@joepvanuden3913 yeah higher shutter so 1/100 instead of 1/50, I don't use shutter angle so I said it wrong in that comment
The higher the shutter the less blur you get, so 1/200 has less blur than 1/50
Hahahaha.... we use our hands like Italians do here to talk normally! Great Video Mark! Thanks a bunch
thanks man, great video:) i was laughing at the yellow skintone.. Im not the only one who forgets to put the Bit higher:P
Some guys in Poland did a great travel documentary series on YT, using Lumix GH5 (I guess) - and yet did not adhere to 180 rule and did not use NDs either. So in the scorching midday sun they were filming really jittery street traffic. I doubt many people noticed, but I was really disappointed - especially because they really aimed at 'classic film documentary' look, with orange&teal LUTs all over the place. Jitter betrayed their amateurishness lol
What if you were to shoot at 360 48 fps? Would that have a similar look to 180 24fps?
Nicely explained. I really enjoyed watching :)
Ugh.
YOOOOO, caps so you can see this, the first video I've ever seen thats talked about this, THANK YOU
YOU ARE SO WELCOME
shutter speed option is not present on my gh5, so frustrating on my piano footage!!!!
This was a really great video! I understood the basics and why we used the rule, but the examples of when you deviated from the rule was exactly what I was looking for. Fantastic! Thank you!
Totally agree with you about using ND filters to keep your preferred shutter angle (usu. 180 degrees) from going “sharper”/stacatto but I’m not convinced the opposite - going to a slower, or even global (360) shutter angle - is as detrimental to the footage as you suggest.
I’ve done some testing with the global shutter angle - I wish you had spent a bit more time here on that- and the results are surprisingly good, provided there’s not too much fast motion in the scene.
If your lens is “too slow” for the lighting and you’re shooting a candid interview, or perhaps some slow pans or static establishing shots, it’s a great way to add a whole stop of light (or ISO stop) to your exposure without taking too big of a hit, aesthetically, IMO.
I urge all shooters to try it before making decision to treat the slower shutter angle as detrimental to the feeling of the scene as the faster shutter angle typically is.
exactly this.
I filmed in 360 shutter angle once by mistake and didn't even notice any difference due to minimal movement.
The scene was static and already dark.
On the plus side, as you said, you gain another stop of light without sacrificing quality, which can be a lifesaver when you have no light source available.
Was ist die richtige Bildrate und Verschlusszeit für Slowmotion
Videos?
Regel ist: (Die Faustregel für die Belichtungszeit lautet: Doppelte Framerate. Bei 25 p, sollte man also mit 1/50 Sekunde belichten, bei 50fps mit 1/100 Sekunde). Das bedeutet für eine Slowmotion Mit 4 Fächer langsamer bei 25P aufnahmeinstelung und 100 Bildfrequenz soll Belichtungszeit 1/200 Sekunden sein.
Meine frag ist warum bei Sony S&Q Mode. Wenn ich 25P und 100 FPS einstellen warum Belichtungszeit wird automatich auf 1/100 Sekunde statt 1/200 Sekunde.
Viele Lieben dank für ihre Aufmerksamkeit und Antworten.
What is the right frame rate and shutter speed for slow motion
videos?
The rule is: (The rule of thumb for the exposure time is: double the frame rate. At 25 p, you should expose with 1/50 second, with 50 fps with 1/100 second). That means for a slow motion with 4 compartments slower at 25P and 100 frame rate exposure time should be 1/200 seconds.
My question is why with Sony S&Q Mode. When I set 25P and 100 FPS why exposure time is automatically set to 1/100 second instead of 1/200 second.
Many thanks for your attention and answers.
Thanxs for this video. U save my life!
It’s like you knew what I was looking for ! Good job on this video!
Thanks mate! Glad it helped!!
Omg I been looking for this video forever I knew I wasnt crazy ty ty
Really interesting and helpful. But one question: if shooting, say 120fps for slowing parts down to slow mo but keeping other parts in ‘real time’ (24fps, or 25fps in Europe) what shutter do you recommend? Cheers!
double the frame rate
I graduated college in 2010 and in school we only learned shooting on film. Sup.8 16mm 35mm. & spent 2 semesters learning how to cut, paste/ edit film just for it to be obsolete once I got my degree 😑 The mainstream digital age was still a couple years away. So it's refreshing hear someone with knowledge of actual film cine cams
48 FPS OR 50 FPS OR 120 FPS WHAT WOULD THE BE SHUTTER ANGLE
Very good & very clear video! Thank you!!
useless video I thought it will include the post production motion blure topic
Informative and to the point! Great vid👌🏽
no need to waste time
Great explanation and examples. Thanks Mark!
FREAKING GOOD EXPLANATION, TQVM
First !
Finally found something I understand
I think it's also important to say that it also impacts the the lighting of your shot. When increasing shutter speed, ISO needs to pulled up too. Otherwise the picture is darker. Would just be nice to put it out there for those who do not know that.
I think it goes without saying. If you're monitoring your histogram you'll obviously need to open up a stop depending
@@markbone But that is the thing Mark. That doesn't go without saying, for someone who for instance wants to get in and doesn't know those facts. I mean I know it cause I learned it because I have been told and yes I made the experience. But knowing that impies that you have to think that: if I change that I also have to change that or that. And everything can affect an image somehow. Anyaway... All good. I wish you a very nice week end Mark.
@@Leprutz Have a great week man!
Awesome video Buddy! 😁
thank you!!!!!!!
Thank you for the education. So many channels make it sound taboo to not follow the 180 degree angle for video that it has kinda been indoctrinated as the holy grail of cinematography. Great perspective and explanation as why you would go outside of these settings, with reason.
Gotta know the rules so you can go break them! 😬
Yeh but then again mentions at the end not to crank up the shutter for video to adjust exposure and follow the 180 rule … I want to avoid ND filters as they give false colors…. So whats the alternate then????
Thanks for this man! Such a great some way to demonstrate this!
What do you mean with 180 degrees or 90 degrees?
but the rule says the shutter speed should be double the frame rate
this was extremely helpful! thank u
Hi Mark
Glad you posted this. I have a doubt.
My cam is Nikon d610
When I set aperture priority for video
It sets shutter speed as 1/24 for 24fps rule. Why camera company not following 180 degree rule here?
And
I find 1/24 shutter speed is good blurry than 1/50. I verified with ceiling fan. With 1/50, the fan blades are jittery.
This video is phenomenal…and dude looks like John Lennon lol
how do you change your frame rate on lumix g7
Hands down, this is the best video I've ever seen explaining shutter angle and it's ramifications!
🙏🏻
what shutter would suggest for a fighting scene?
I'd be careful with your language here! You mention "increasing shutter angle" and "increase your shutter" when you're actually talking about making the shutter angle smaller (faster). Increasing shutter angle = decreasing shutter speed = exposing for longer for each frame and decreasing shutter angle = increasing shutter speed = exposing for less time each frame.
I’d be careful with your language mate, using words like “about” and “smaller” and especially throwing words around like “for” and “the”. Its dangerous.