Motion Blur, Shutter Speed, & 180° Shutter Angle // TESTING the RULES!
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Testing different shutter speed & frame rate combinations to determine if the 180-degree shutter angle rule should be followed and how it affects motion blur.
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Yo at 8:05, you have 60p footage with a 1/50th s shutter speed. With a shutter angle greater than 360 degrees, wouldn't the camera actually be recording at a lower framerate? If the camera actually opted to actually record at 30p 1/50, then naturally that would look similar to the 24p 1/50 footage. Or is this mislabeled and the shutter should be 1/60 of a second?
It's possible on some cameras to do this. All that appears to happen is some frames just repeat. So it's a bit jerkier, but the motion blur is the same.
@@geraldundone I mean we can't tell when watching the video because it's a 24p project, but is that clip somehow shot on a camera where it isn't jerky at 60p 1/50? I assume you shot it on the a7s3 right?
@@thatcherfreeman Initially I was bother by this too as it's not physically possible.
But then I remembered that years ago when I used to have a d5300 DSLR I was able to shoot 24fps at super low shutter speed. The end result was just some extremely blurred images while having duplicated frames, like Gerald mentioned.
Yes, a7S III. Also, check the description and download the 60p sample. It includes 1/50th, 1/60th, and 1/125th on a proper 60p timeline.
it's like running a latest fps game on a low priced pc. And with hugh blur.
This is ridiculously useful
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It’s been a while since you’ve gone in depth on a more generic filming topic. Love these.
+1
7:35 looks at a spinning ruler and says it has a cinematic vibe... This seriously has to stop 😄
I thought the same thing 😅
@@hereiamwitherickcruz6678 Glad I'm not alone. I love Gerald for his reviews and insights as he doesn't follow the rule of the cinematic lut pack broll WHATSUP RUclips!! vibe... but of course someone finds something about something cinematic... haha
I know, I totally agree!
gave me a chuckle, not that I am a pro by any means. But, this is very overly used no? The word "cinematic"
@@Riizq53 It is THE youtuber/vlogger word next to something like "epic" or "lut pack" probably
This was helpful. Thanks man
hahaha your every where . so glad to see that even great photographers still like to learn
Jonathan Alcantar lol right
Great video Gerald, Congrats! In wedding we use 50p all the time with 1/50 shutter (in 25p timeline editing) because we don't know what moment should we put in a slow mo in editing, but we want to the normal speed record sections have a natural blur. We know the slow-mo sections have to much blur, but is a much better compromise than the normal speed sections have not enough motion blur. Moreover in that way the 50p record in 25p timeline with 1/50 shutter in normal speed (droping every second frame) looks excatly the same as a 25p with 1/50 shutter record, but the whole wedding is slow-mo capable if you need it. (We are in Europe and we use PAL format, this method won't work with NTSC 60p/24p combination)
Seems like a good strategy! Situations like that sometimes make me want to split the difference and shoot at 1/75th. 😜
wow this very good information! thank you for sharing!
@@geraldundone maybe, but i'm a big fan of the 1/50 shutter motion blur, I don't want to ride of it, but it worth a try in some test shoots, we will see how it looks :)
@@Jomboy.mpeg_4 You are welcome 😉
Why not just shoot at 1/100 the whole time?
Thanks for having me chime in Gerald! It was super interesting to try to erase the obvious bias that I have and actually choose which one looked the most NATURAL to me. And its also interesting to note that the one that looked the most NATURAL isn't the one I would prefer to shoot at because of the "soap opera" effect. I always felt like the soap opera thing made me feel like I was standing beside the camera op. This obviously makes it feel more real but it's also the reason I don't like it as much.
I have always shot everything at 60 fps but with the 180degree rule because I detest motion blur when panning and moving around, it is very distracting. This way my videos having twice the information and frames are crisp and sharp even when there is a lot of movement in the scene. I can also slo-mo or speed ramp things. I will now try at the 1/60 shutter to see if that stays sharp while reducing the so-called soap-opera effect. 24p is old school and technology has changed enormously over the years. Cinematic my ass....
@@Pfagnan different use cases. News, sports, live TV spots, vacation footage, are all meant to look like real life, and the realistic look of 60p (or even 30i, but not so much 30p) is desirable for those situations, but if you want your production to look like a movie, those frame rates tend to spoil the "movie" look. You can avoid excessive motion blur and stuttering at those lower frame rates by using wider focal lengths and moving your camera more slowly.
Ya I have changed things and use mainly 30p now. RUclips loves this 4k frame rate
Such a helpful video. I’ve always used the 180-degree rule but never thought to experiment with lower shutter speeds with higher frame rates played back at those higher frame rates. This should be a must-watch for anyone uploading a video to RUclips.
THANK YOU !, I've tried to explain this to soooo...many people in the past I've given up, no one understands but it's all based on math and time which never changes no matter what the frame rate.. amazing video man !!!!
I'm glad you get it, it's exhausting repeating myself & nobody understands or cares
Thanks a bunch you crazy number person G. The 180 deg shutter rule gives us a good guideline to maintain what we are conditioned to perceive as "natural" and "cinematic" look. At the end of the day film makers can do whatever they want. I follow a loose version of the rule where a lower shutter angle is for dramatic action sequence and higher shutter angle for more dreamy smooth effect. It is also worth noting that your edit fps determines the final "smoothness" of the film so you need to ajdust your shutter speed with consideration of your editing fps, if it is going to be different. For example, I shoot 50fps 1/100 in a live show setting where I do not want to be changing camera settings due to the lack of control of the situation and unpredictability of the moments, then edit in a 25fps timeline for faster workflow, will yield a final shutter angle of 90 degrees. That angle is half of 180 which makes the scene more action packed and jarring. Addtionally, I reserve the "right" amount of motion blur expected from a fast moving object if I choose to slow down by 50%. Even If I don't use a slowmo at all, shooting at 25fps 1/100 is not that beneficial to me because my camera somehow produces the same file size regardless of what fps I shoot.
Great video, Gerald!
I think it would have been interesting to make it a blind test for the other youtubers.
P.S. DPreview was the most insightful of the bunch, in my opinion
“The ruler spins so cinematically.”
I thought he was been ironic. I thought...
I thank you so deeply for this video. You have no idea the level of vindication/validation this brings. I've felt like I've been screaming into the void for so long about this, it's insane. Another thing to note is that for footage that's going to be speed ramped like 60 in a 24, it's more important to conserve the "real-time" motion blur by using the lower shutter speed than it is to get the slow-mo blur correct.
4:35, I agree it IS small, but that difference between 1/50 and 1/60 is what can make or break 30p when comparing it to 24p's so-called "cinematic" qualities. IMO 30p 1/50th is the goat, and the icing on the cake is that it'll shoot in any country without the lights flickering. If I really need to shoot a low frame rate, I'll drop down to 25p and probably a 1/40th shutter, but that's my limit. 50p 1/60th is the single most versatile IMO, and also the best-looking HFR combo to be played in an HFR timeline.
I wish 40fps was a thing that existed and had platform/editing-level support for real-time playback, though. 40 is a direct middle ground between 30 and 60, mathematically (24 to 30 is an 8.33ms reduction between frames, and 30 to 40, as well as 40 to 60 is the same reduction again, each time.) and it should theoretically look almost indistinguishable from real life while saving even further on space than 50 compared to 60.
40fps 1/50th would also be another "universal anti-flicker" rate, too, and would have the best balance between lifelike motion smoothness and natural motion blur in my opinion. However it does lean on the realism side quite heavily compared to 24p's fully artistic look and 30p's balanced look, with 60p looking "hyper-real" sometimes as if it's trying too hard, and that's _including_ having the correct 1/60th "open" shutter speed for natural HFR motion blur.
Another thing I want to know is why iPhonedo's video portion looks so choppy compared to yours. I assume he's shooting 24p and 1/50th like most filmmaker channels do, and I've been narrowing down the "why?" to this desynchronied/laggy 24p look vs how some people make it look smooth over the last few months.
It's either the resolution(1080 vs 4k), all intra-frame vs "ipb", 23.976 getting turned into true 24 (or a mismatch between filming/editing/exporting without interpretation), or it's just the codec used to film. With a weighting of 35%, 35%, 20%, and 10% respectively on which one I think is doing it.
So what do you think it is, and what insight can you give me on his settings vs yours?
This answers my question. I always wondered that if you shot everything at 120 with a 1/250 shutter speed, will you get the best of both worlds; being able to slow down your video to ultra slow mo while still being able to maintain natural looking motion blur in a 24fps timeline by simply dropping frames. The answer seems to be no. Shutter speed for 120 would need to be adjusted regardless of it being dropped in a 24fps timeline. Thank you Gerald Undone.
Hello dude,shoot at 60fps 1/100，does the motion blur looks natural？
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So as long as my subject is not moving that much, I can crank up the shutter speed as much as I want to?
I found this video really fascinating, but am left yet unconvinced that 24fps is a reasonable choice at all. I saw zero noticeable difference in 24 vs 30 for blur, or in general, and the frame pacing difference of fitting a 24hz video into my 60hz display (which the vast majority of people are using) I still see separation of the spin even in 24 and 1/50.
I hate this discussion because I feel like as a video nerd I should be seeing and valuing whatever difference there is and I've never once in my life been convinced 24 is "more cinematic" or smoother, meanwhile there's tons of judder/pacing issues upsampling it to 60hz displays.
I have to agree. never have liked 24p for exactly the same reasons. on a 60hz screen 60p at close to 60fps looks most natural to my eyes.
You'll see separation in the spin whenever the shutter angle is less than 360 degrees. I think with 24p the convention of having a 180 degree shutter largely comes from a balance between a short shutter speed where things would look very staccato and a long shutter speed where slow moving subjects are difficult to track because of their blur.
24p is definitely inferior in most ways save for maybe cost/space efficiency, but I'm just so used to it. We say it's filmic, because it is. I suppose the question that should be asked is: Is filmic a good thing? I guess if you're trying to emulate a look then it makes sense, but I'd need a good year of only seeing 30p content everywhere to erase the 24p conditioning. 😜
@@geraldundone everything we know and accept is due to conditioning
@@geraldundone Would 30p at 1/50 be the best of both worlds? Less (or no) judder in a 60hz world and the same motion blur that we're used to? Thoughts?
Such an awesome channel. Thanks for sharing your useful knowledge. 🙌🏻
A key detail is if you're trying to stabilise footage, you need a faster exposure so all frames are sharper. Otherwise you end up with a weird 'blur' effect on the object that has been stabilised. It looks a bit like it is vibrating from bass as you get motion blur on something that isn't moving any more.
You're leaving out an important part of this equation, the refresh rate of the monitor you're watching the footage on.
I agree .... I am having problems with movement fluidity, so I tend to download the videos instead of playing them over youtube .... to see if playing at the proper framerate is better. But I wonder what is the proper rate for the computer. Also, when doing screen captures in video .... it seems something hard to achieve when you are recording a video and nothing seems really in sync
Yep, 95% of devices are still on 60hz displays so 24p needs 3/2 pull down ratio to fit into 60hz, this adds jerkiness on smooth panning shots. I don't get it why RUclipsrs cry about shooting videos in 24p especially when it's gonna be played 100% on a RUclips video player that will NOT change the frequency of the screen to match it or at least make it double like it do with my monitor. I switch it to 48hz.
24p is slowly getting into religions territory.
Also if you are just talking and waving hands, it doesn't matter if its 24p or 30p. I bet 90% of the people watching won't even notice.
@@Quetzalcoatl0, exactly. Frame one shows twice, frame two shows twice, frame three shows THREE times, etc. 24fps on 60Hz is a mess. RUclipsrs are romanticizing jerkiness, not a more filmic look. Fortunately 24fps gets less messy on 120Hz and higher monitors.
@@Quetzalcoatl0 24p is old-school. Time to move on!
I nearly spat out a mouth full of weetbix laughing when I saw iPhonedo’s desktop image.
Very informative, the only thing I would add to this video is discussing angle. I know shutter is the standard and the most popular but, to me at least, angle is so much easier to work with.
Definitely should not have labeled the test clips with fps and shutter. Should have A, B, C etc to remove bias
Well explained, thanks. I must be weird as apart from playback speed I cannot see a difference between the different framerates.
I've been using the 1/60 at 60p trick for years to make sped-up-in-post footage look natural.
I can't believe I never thought to take the idea forward into slowed-down high framerate footage.
D'oh!
Hello dude,shoot at 60fps 1/100，does the motion blur looks natural？
Nicely demonstrated Gerald!
Neat tests! Anyone with a camera should try shooting in all different frame rates and shutter speeds - learn a lot IMHO.
FANTASTIC!! I’ve been wondering about this ever since learning the rule. Tried experiments etc. This was a great discussion and great way to test it! Thanks for doing this Gerald!
Thank you so much for the explanation. I've been struggling with the soap opera effect that i didn't even know how to say it or google about it. Now i understand it's because i used to shot at 60p, 1/125th and play it none slow motion on 30p project.
i'm pretty sure i will have to come back to watch this video again cause i couldn't remember the rules
FINALLY GERALD UNDONE making a Tutorial... 10 seconds in...oh dear.. here we go again
Soap opera can be easily defined as anything that appears realistic to our eyes. Our eyes see approximately at 30fps, but it is variable. When we see 30fps video, our eyes detect it as closer to reality. 60fps is even closer to reality. 24fps simplly looks “cinematic” because it doesn’t look normal to our eyes. We have since adjusted our brains to understand that 24fps feels “not-normal” and we can easily step out of reality to view it. We aren’t confused in our brains that we are looking out a window at life but rather, we are viewing something out of reality. Motion blur is simply another version of reality vs not reality. Our vision has a similar motion blur to 180 degree rule. So we see that as normal. It just so happens that 24fps is abnormal and 180 degree shutter is normal. The combo is remembered as cinematic. In the end, use shutter speed to tell your story. Increase motion blur to take our brains out of normal and decrease to bring it closer to reality, but you can also take it back to abnormal with no/minimal motion blur. Gerald, you did a great job showing it with the spinning line. Perfect.
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I've got a camera that *does* shutter angle as an optional setting -- the LUMIX GH5 . I'm curious to know what changing the shutter angle vis-á-vis the frame rate generates in terms of... coherent comments from you panel of experts. There must be a lore about shutter angle going way back; I'd be curious for you to dredge some of it up and transpose it to now-a-days. Thanks for the info.
I wonder if setting up the drill so it was pointing towards the ceiling and shooting above/below would had been smoother, no ramping speed for the nitpickers. Though, I don't think the way it was done was a problem, and having slight different speeds helped get different blur conditions.
Hello Gerald! Any plans for the IPhone 12 Pro Dolby Vision test and review? Looks like literally every other RUclipsr simply doesn't understand how to use the HDR technology because they shoot HDR footage then they render an SDR video and try to compare HDR and SDR side by side on the SDR project.. It looks like you are the only hope to test it the right way!
hahaha lol, that's what I was thinking about. Literally everyone is rendering bt2020 10 bit hlg dolby vision footage to SDR and talking crap about great leap in mobile videography without even seeing the difference. Plz Gerald ...make it undone ;)
Just recommended subscribing to your channel to my students. Thanks for great well-put explanation!
7:39 spinning piece of paper has a cinematic vibe to it. lmao i'm sure it helped because it was shot on a full frame sensor?
Lol yep
I loathe the usage of the word "cinematic" b/c of youtube. Slow motion & jittery video is what's cinematic here, that's crazy.
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Good to know I'm not the only one who had doubts about this rule! Great video Gerald.
Whoa! this explains the age old question more visually clearly than any other. Thank you on behalf of the universe Gerald U.
It boggles my mind to why people don't try testing themselves and figure out what looks better in their mind.
Faruk! hahahahahahaha 😂 I freaking love that guy
Would have been nice it hear their perspectives on the results blindly. Something about knowing which is which I believe influencer their opinions
or do what you want ! love you Gerald
Straight to the point as always. Love your videos 👌🔥
Wait can you do more of the bloopers like that at the end please?! Those were great!
I hated this rule in film school. We were told to ignore it. Sure, if you're shooting interviews, landscapes and other boring stuff, the 180 degree rule is fine. But it doesn't work for dream sequencies, fight or action scenes, greenscreens and other settings. Moreover, it can depend on the kind of light you have. Sometimes, you have to adjust your shutter speed to avoid strobing.
Side note: There are 2x "180 degree rules". There's one relating to shutter and one relating to composition/cinematography. Your cameras should stay on one side of the action, as if the scene was unfolding on a procenium arch.
Film is an artform, just like music, painting, writing etc. Rules don't need to be adhered to and it's ok to straight up ignore them.
I can't believe you wouldn't include Camera Conspiracies as one of your experts.
...or DSLR Video Shooter!
If your footage is a blurry mess, then don't just try and take a guess.
Hop on over to crazy Undone, where spinning rulers are loads of fun.
Find your shutter speed and your rate, don't leave your filming up to fate.
Its where Gerald has done all the work, so in the comments don't be a jerk.
Thank you Gerald for putting in the time, steeling your knowledge feels like a crime.
The more you do the more we watch, because your videos are always tippy-top notch!
Just ask the sports network producers what they use. That is the correct way to do it IMO> because it looks great live with little blur but can handle instant replay shots with detail. I'm pretty sure they use a very high shutter compared the frame rate to reduce motion blur. I video golf swings and I have to use a high shutter speed with a high frame rate. I shoot 120 fps with a 1/360 shutter or 90 deg equivalent. If I don't do it this way, I can't show the client exactly where the swing is in each frame because it will be blurry.
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Great video Gerald thank you it's so useful!
When shooting drummers, I find that using 1/80 shutter speed at 24fps gives you the best look. It's slightly choppy but the motion blur is still present.
Don't forget about your monitor. High hertz and motion smoothing displays are the worst perpetrators IMO
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I actually like the 60p 1/60th. You can always decide to slow something down if you're shooting run and gun events. And it's fluid enough and not blurry enough to make it look appealing.
So that would be usefull unless you want that soap opera effect
@@1RJ2 Hello dude,shoot at 60fps 1/100，does the motion blur looks natural？
Hello dude,shoot at 60fps 1/100，does the motion blur looks natural？
@@动漫区漫哥 If you shoot 60fps at 1/100 it would like fine but if you try to slow it down it may look a little blurry, you should use 1/125.
Im used to my 144hz Monitor and im going to record everything with 4k 120 fps now >:)
But imho, film with 24 fps if its a movie and film with 50/60 fps if its a vlog or event coverage. Also 50/60 fps on youtube has a different codec and is a lot more sharper than uploaded in 24 fps.
super super helpful, I always render at 60fps and used a shutter of 1/100 because 1/120 caused a visible flicker due to my lights. I always thought I had to use 180°, now I know better. I mean, I actually want the soap opera for my own videos but now I'm definitely also gonna try 1/60 next time shooting a video. Thanks so much, always learning something actually very useful here on this channel, big thumbs up
Having tried 60fps 1/60s a few times, it’s so immersive that it’s almost unnerving (in a refreshing way). I don’t know if many movies would want to use that, but for more “documentary” types of videos, it should work very well. (I am using the word very loosely - I include videos of myself playing the piano or the guitar under that term.)
If you are not in USA, Canada or Japan(i think) you should be using 25, 50 and 100FPS. So need to change your format to PAL, this will stop the flickering
I think use 50fps 1/100 more convenient for u
@@TangerineTux For sure, I experimented with filming my piano playing at 60 fps with 1/60s shutter, and honestly, it's the first time that I looked at the playback and it actually looked real. 180 degree shutter, especially at 60 fps, doesn't look real. Cinematic doesn't mean real; it means cinematic.
@@_Joshhoffman Half of Japan runs on 60 Hz and half of Japan runs on 50 Hz. It's mad.
Great! Cool to see more and more people 180 rule not being a given (for high frame rate). I think 360 often is the best choice if you don’t plan to slow down to a 180 degree timeline; one stop more light and more natural movement are big wins in some conditions; but the greatest take away is test what you like and decide upon what you like :)
A key thing not really discussed is the camera and subject's relative motion to each other. So for instance, I shoot interiors videos. With slow camera movements and a static subject (a room), 360 degree shutter can absolutely be used even for slow-mo delivery, and I often do use it to keep from having to crank ISO. If I were shooting sports, that would be different I can see a pretty strong use case for over cranking there. IMO the 180 degree rule is a good guideline for those just learning and a good general fallback in situations where literally anything would work, but it certainly isn't appropriate for every situation.
Motion blur is basically the projection of the filmed object moving across the pixels of the sensor. So motion blur is a direct mathematical function of exposure time, sensor pixel size, field of view (or magnification) by the glass used and relative distance of the motion from the camera.
A spinning blade moving quickly in front of a fish eye lens, but 1 km away from the lens, exposed with a shutter speed of 1/50 s (shutter speed, not frame rate) using a 0.5 M sensor (low resolution) will likely not create any motion blur at all since it is questionable if the blade can even be seen on the video. To make myself clear: there is minimal motion of the blade across the pixel of the sensor.
A spinnnig blade moving at the same speed 3 m in front of a 1000 mm telephoto lens used for wildlife or sports photographie, shot with a 1/250 exposure time per frame and with a camera featuring a high resolution 100 M sensor will certainly show motion blur.
So the equation shutter speed = 2 times the frame rate does not make any sense since things called "shutter angle" are only very indirectly related to motion blur. Frame rate is only about how many times per second an acquired image is stored on memory support, exposure time is the time the sensor will collect photons.
The experiment with the rotating blade shown is incomplete. Effekt of sensor size, distance, and glass used should also be tested.
And there is more. For example, a 8K video shown on a Full-HD screen will not show the same motion blur as if the central part of the 8K video, corrsponding ot a FullHd image, is croped and then projected on a FullHd screen. This time it's the motion across the pixels of the screen which differ. And I haven't even touched upon the distance of the viewer from the screen, and the optical resolution of the retina.
In conclusion, the shutter angle rule is not based on science, it's an empircal compromise to help filmmakers. More often than not, it's use will give suboptimal results. It may be better than no rule of thumb at all, but one should be aware of it's limitations.
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Funny... if I had any say in it: the higher the frame rate and the faster the shutter speed, the better. I will never understand why people don’t prefer higher frame rates. At 60fps or above I’m also all for 360degrees shutter.
For action, I want 120 not slowed down, or even 240fps. Try it on a 240hz screen and you can’t go back!!!
the hiccup is storage and bandwidth.
Could we please stop calling it the "180 degree rule!". What's 180 about it? It's double. Why make it so complicated. Call it the "Double rule"
Gerald explains this at 0:42
i shoot at 24 fps at 1/24 shutter speed , (Not double), in low light situations..
lower shutter speeds will increase exposure but, also increase motion blur; may need a tripod or hold steady.
high shutter speeds will decrease exposure but, also decrease motion blur; may need to add lights or shoot in day light.
Fuck!!! You lost me at the intro. Now I gotta watch this 10 times. There goes my day
I think Jordan Drake’s comment on using 60p at 1/60th was the key takeaway here. With shutter speed determining blur and frame rate determining how we actually perceive that blur, the choice then comes down to the filmmaker. There’s no right or wrong answer, there’s simply “What are you trying to achieve?”.
It’s maybe a little bit like a photographer asking what’s the right shutter speed and aperture combination? You can tell them the Sunny 16 Rule, or F8 and Be There... but they’re just guidelines for adequate exposure or focus. If you want to master your craft, then understand the effects of each variable, and make a considered choice. Also, be willing to have fun, take risks and experiment!
2:40 this really baffle me. I want a more sophisticated explanation.
So changing the fps but keeping the shutter speed constant won't affect the motion blur ?
If 24p and 60p look the same, then shooting at 15fps or 10fps, taking 1 frame of the video and comparing them it should look the same as well ?
This is really helpful!! (as always) But I have a question tho.....Unless someone is willing to slow the footage down in post.....what would be the need to even shoot at 60p by keeping the shutter at around 1/60th? 😅 I mean rather than doing that....why not shoot at 24p itself if you wanna go for a real-time playback ? (Or am I missing smth here ?)
Your format is top notch, as always.
How did you capture the motion blur at 4:54 did you take stills instead of video? I know on the Sony A6xxx cameras you cannot get any more motion blur than frame rate = shutter (i.e 25fps = 1/25 shutter), if you under crank the shutter the camera just duplicates frames and no more blur is captured/recorded.
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I'm disappointed at you Gerald,
You've obviously sold out to the ND filter companies to prevent me from over cranking my shutter for exposure.
Thank you gerald for sharing your experience. I think we can break the rule of doubling the shutter speed by two (rules are create to be break) it depends of what we are shooting: is camera moving? Is speed action in the field? Do i need to stabilise this shoot? Generally I prefer more blur than too much shutter speed and Sony never apply this rule on their camera when shooting in 50p sony start automatically at 1/50 not 100 very good choice. That said I can even shoot 50p at 1/25 if there is subtile mouvement and need more frames for stabilyse or need one diaf more (you have to edit in 50p to stabilise with max frames)... it depends of the speed of mouvements the focal used in your field. I usually shoot 50p at 1/50 edit in 50p timeline and export to 25p. Good stabilisation need more shutter speed so you have to choose good equation.
Hello dude,shoot at 60fps 1/100，does the motion blur looks natural？
@@动漫区漫哥 natural yes but be care if you shoot 60p that is you are in ntsc country normally so 30 60 or 120 is better for flickering
I love your methodical approach and your fantastic intros.
"This is fluid, I like this a lot"
Meanwhile all gamers look disgusted at the janky 24 fps footage..
nice demonstration but I like the look of 24p@ 1/125. looks very unique
And just like that... you gave me a new way to think about shooting in 60p knowing some of it will be played back on a 24fps timeline, at normal/real-time speed (dropping frames). I always follow the 180 rule, and then hate the real-time segments for being too choppy. I’m going to experiment to see if I’m OK with the extra motion blur on the slo-mo in exchange for smoother-looking real-time. (The joys of having just one camera... and only one take... choosing a shooting frame rate, and having to live with it for both slo-mo and real-time during playback)
Great info, as usual. I found the same applies to After Effect animations, when using motion blur. At 24fps, it’s out of control. But change to 60 FPS, and it looks natural. I’ve changed the workflow now to render all my animated comps at 60fps and then use Twitter to interpolate down to 24. I wouldn’t have thought of this if I hadn’t seen this video.
Thanks my dude! You have no idea how long I've been trying to wrap my head around this haha - It seems i cant accept that that there is not a one size fits all. Being new to this i often realise i wish to incorporate slow-mo once I'm in POST. However I'm always afraid of neglecting the cinematic look while shooting at 60 vs 24 although im using 1/60. BY what i'm seeing here, 60 @ 1/60 still remains the most ''versatile option''. (best of both worlds). Somehow acceptable slow-mo and less soap opera. What are your though on shooting everything at 60 1/60.. anyone? I hate the idea of having to calculate my broll like this.. what will be slow mo what wont.. GRRR
my thoughts exactly man!
How is it going nowadays with this?? I'm going to use 60fps @1/60 in all my Instagram vertical videos too see how it works. Salutes thanks for your feedback and opinion!!
I personally only shoot in 60FPS, ever since it became available. I know a lot of professionals just are very used to lower frame rates and like typical humans, they just hate any change, but as open minded as I am, I immediately saw a huge improvement vs lower frame rate, not even questionable to me. Shutter speed is a matter of preference, but I dont understand how anyone can still say 24fps can be better than 60. Yeah, I want my video to look just like life, because thats what it represents, and more FPS helps with that dramatically.
Great info and very well done. Love it. Thanks this pretty much aligns with what I have been doing. Outstanding as always.
Gerald, am I losing it? Contrary o what you say in the intro, I actually think an object moving in slow motion footage should have more motion blur than something that moves just as slowly but in real time. To me, that is what tells my brain that it's slowed down. Otherwise it can feel eerie and weird to me. So I guess I''m with Dunna on this one.
I’ve been doing my own tests in this rule for the last 2 weeks and Gerald just drops a video on it out of nowhere. Am I baby Gerald?
How did you get the drill sound out of the main video?
At the end you hear it but not in the middle.
Just for me personally, I like 60 fps at 1/60th shutter speed. I just like the fluidity and smoothness of 60fps, and the smooth, natural motion blur of 1/60th shutter speed. I made a video on my channel about this a while back, but of course I don't get many views on my videos lol
Faruk always cracks me up! Great video; super helpful!
so many other videos talk about the shutter speed like it's the most important decision you will ever make in your life... This video really helped put it into a more reasonable perspective for the average video creator. I'm glad to know that 60 @ 1/60 works well for real time, because at 1/120 my camera gets too dark. I should have just trusted my eyes and realized at 1/60 it looks good, but all these people treating the 180 degree rule like it's a commandment got in my head and misguided me lol.
love the out takes
Next intro: dun, dun, DONE!
(like the dramatic music)
Awesome job as always! Crazy stuff.....crazy stuff
For frame rate above 60p I would rather capture as much detail as possible with less motion blur, and add additional in post by generating a vector map. Safer for those one chance shots, and you get a tone of data at those frame rates.
OMG this video is great 😊, I appreciate the break down I’ve been curious about all these same things
Thanks, Gerald! Those of us with a stills background, and therefore no superstitious attachment to the 180° rule, suspected this all along.
Understanding shutter speed from the perspective of video *and* stills - and using evidence, rather than just tradition - is definitely worthwhile to better inform creative decisions.
This is so geeky!
Finally. The most bothering thing in my mind about shutter angle has been answered. Thank you for answering this question in such scientific and objective manner. This is very obvious question that has never been answered properly since the invention of high frame rate video.
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