Yes I see it, and I wonder; is that the jumpiness I perceived in the Overland Video / Pony Express Graveyard scene?.. Either way, this is a high value video for setting up shop.. thankyou.
This video came at the perfect time for me. I literally feel like I asked the universe for an answer and you uploaded this video. Thanks so much for this because I’ve been really debating what I should stick to. I use my iPhone a lot and it automatically goes to 60fps. I change it to 30fps to save space on my phone and I don’t see a huge difference, but using my dslr more, I’m seeing more difference. I think 24fpa adds to action shots. It makes it look more ‘exciting’. But for my narrative videos or interview videos, I like the 30fps better. Which do you think is better for special effects and transitions? Sidebar: Your daughter is adorable! 🥰
@thinkingpictures, film all of your footage @ 60 fps, edit your video on 30 fps timeline and export it @ 30 fps as Jeven described. Filming at 60 fps allows you to use any of your footage @ 120 fps slow-mo without having to film specifically @ 120 fps. Also, any footage you film @ 60 fps and slow down on a 30 fps timeline will look really smooth 30, 60 and 120 fps all mesh together perfectly. Filming @ 60 fps and editing at 30 fps gives your footage a smooth look without looking like home video footage.
@@fredriksvard2603, exporting @ 60fps makes the video look like a home movie. Filming at 60, then editing and exporting @ 30 gives it a more “cinematic” look across all viewing formats. Where viewing 24fps on a 60Hz monitor or TV gives a more jittery appearance, where 30 fps @ 60Hz gives it that smooth cinematic look.
@@WoodsmokeSelf-Reliance my first video was in 24p and watching it back on my 165hz display is cursed. But I’m starting to shoot 4K 30p and 24p for more cinematic shots, occasionally I’ll drop it down to 1080FHD 60p if I feel like I need the extra frames and 4K 30p is kind of what my camera is limited to.
Lots of good information here -- I just need to add one quip. The 180º shutter speed rule for motion blur matters if you're showing people moving around, which is why in your demo you were moving your hands constantly. But not so for sit-down interviews. I shot a widely successful, feature-length doc absolutely ignoring the 180º rule for virtually all the interviews -- I chose instead to prioritize wide aperture / de-focused backgrounds, and I used higher shutter speeds to reduce the exposure (we didn't have any variable filters at our disposal). That film was later distributed by Warner Brothers and Netflix, won 12 film festival awards, and earned an 11-city national theatrical release. Not one person ever commented about the high shutter speeds in the interviews having created "jerky," or stuttered motion effects. When only a mouth is moving with the camera on sticks -- it's just not noticeable. But again -- I'm talking about *interviews* not sports, not dance, not workouts. Thanks for the video.
I recently shot an intro for one of my videos and did this. I was outside, 1.2F, 100 ISO, and I think my frame rate was 1/2500 because I needed the shot darkened up. It worked out great until you saw my hands for a second, but even then they went back out of the shot and it wasn’t very distracting. I have no idea what I’m doing, but it worked for this one shot.
My brother and I had a corporate video production company for over 30 years (now retired). We got involved, once or twice a year, in local and regional film festivals and soon the question came up from many of the producers...24 or 30fps. For us, it came down to how the movie is to be projected. Most were projected at 30, so we stayed at 30. But some diehards, wanting to get that cinematic look, insisted on 24. OK, but we found that the frame rate of the cinematic look was only a part of that look. Film itself has a different visual quality and lighting plays a huge role in the look. So, to avoid jitters and questionable benefits of 24 to get cinematic looks, we concentrated on other techniques and never looked twice at 24. And that is why I think you nailed it when pointing out that you need to assess how it is to be viewed.
im trying to get into cinematic filiming, and motovlogging. I dont have many options, but i found that 30 fps 4k is really looking good, would you suggest to film in 60fps and then export it to 30fps? or Should i just stay at 30 dps nativly? Sorry for the late reply.
@@TrueMikeShow I've never shot in 60fps, except maybe to do slo mo. Otherwise, I don't see the advantage 60, especially if you're going to bring it back down to 30 in post. Unless there is some issue with the camera at 30, I think I would vote just to stay at 30. This also would avoid anymore processing and data sizes to bring it down from 60 to 30.
Hi, would this work well if you’re trail hiking? The problem I have is bouncy looking footage…my action camera is on my backpack (no gimbal)…would it be more pleasing to watch using this method? I’m new to this so any info would be greatly appreciated 😊
I"ve been thinking about this debate a lot over the last few years. Only super film geeks really feel they need to stick to the old 24 blur. Everyone else shrugs their shoulders and says I'll get used to it pretty quick".
PLEASE do a video on shooting in 60p and editing on a 24p vs 30p timeline. SO many people do this but there is not a SINGLE video out there highlighting this.....
@@Keefikus interested, as i shoot 60p so i have flexibility, but edit in a 30p timeline, but know some edit in 24p timelines, but not sure if this will negatively affect my video? more jittery etc, i just want an in-depth video on it
To me 60fps looks smooth and natural. I do not understand why some people are giving this a negative attribute by calling it "soap opera effect". 30fps is ok but judders somewhat when panning. 24fps is awful, terrible judder when the camera is moving in a direction or when panning. I do not understand why some people are calling this "cinematic". It's a pain in the eye.
I would agree with you - I would say 30fps is perhaps better when there is more movement, e.g. family trips, I would shoot in 30fps and go down to 24/25fps for cinematic scenes.
I always ask myself this question before choosing 24 vs 30fps. Is the final product just suppose to represent real life (for example, any narrative work) or is it suppose to be real life (for example, a documentary, or vlog)? That pretty quickly determines what frame rate I'll be shooting at. 30fps is closer to how we actually see in real life (though 60fps is a lot closer) where as 24fps tends to make people feel like they're almost watching something unworldly. Of course there is exceptions for me. I'm currently filming a documentary that will be delivered in 24fps. The reason I chose to do so is because I want people to almost feel as if they're watching a narrative film in terms of its overall artistic quality. 24fps almost has a strange dreamy effect to it.
I think it's a bit funny to say that 60 or even 30 fps are what "we actually see in real life" when the difference between a 60, 144 and even 360 FPS picture are incredibly noticeable even to an untrained eye.
Long story short...when I first started this channel in Jan I was wingin' EVERYTHING, just guessing and learning as I went. One of the very first pieces of advice was "always shoot in 24" so, just did. Literally didn't know WHY just that I was "supposed" to. Learned a bit since and I'm kinda wanting to switch to 30 just to see what, it any, difference it makes. Too teeny of channel to be getting any constructive criticism from viewers yet so I'm still trying to watch my own stuff and attempt to figure out what might be working and what isn't. Info like this definitely helps by giving me something else to add to my limited, but slowly growing knowledge base. Thanks for sharing!
BEST VIDEO I have ever seen on this subject!!! So informed and objective and very well explained!!! I tried 24 and it was too choppy with a lot of panning and quick camera moves-especially for RUclips delivery. Those extra 6 frames in 30p are GOLD!!!
I checked out your footage of both 24p and 30p side by side and prefer the 30p. I'm watching on a 120hz monitor. I've even been experimenting with 60p. I'm pretty new at all of this and appreciate your taking the time to teach us the many tips and tricks you share.
Thank you Jeven! I have been waiting for this video. So many big RUclipsrs are married to 24 FPS. It sometimes sounds like it’s the only right thing to do. I have been using 30 FPS, and your video made me feel a lot better 👊
So,...we live in a 60hz world in the US. 24p looks fine,..."IF",....it's actually watched in "real" 24 frames per second. 24p is JUNK when watched on a 60hz monitor. Most PC systems and monitors are displaying in 60p and the 60p timing "SHEARS" or "slices" a frame in half every second. 24p cant fit in 60 hz without tearing a frame. 30p does NOT have this problem. When playing on a 60hz monitor, 30 frame is a PERFECT and "even" 1/2 rate. No mathematic "shredding" or "tearing" of any frames. This exact 1/2 rate is a perfect cadence and even fit. This is the major problem why 24p looks so bad on RUclips when everybody is watching on a 60hz monitor. How many people send perfect 24p from a video card to your monitor? I bet ZERO. All our cards are outputting 60hz or maybe 120hz. Mystery solved!
This. So much this. The vast majority of monitors people are using are 60Hz nowadays, outside the US too. So 24 introduces stuttering as frames are interpolated. Pretty much the only exception are high refresh rate monitors, which go by multiples of 30, 24, or neither. (or both in the case of 120Hz). But those are still by far the minority and most tech assumes 60Hz to be the default.
I still like films shot at 24 fps watching on my 60 Hz monitor (with 2/3 pulldown) rather than 30 fps on the same monitor. For vlogging, excercises etc. it doesn't matter, but if there is a story to tell, I'm immediatelly drawn in to it in 24 fps. In 30 fps I still wonder what's wrong... My 2 cents...
Good Video! You mentioned the screen refresh rate as one of the factors, but it is THE most important factor. This 2/3 pulldown makes the 24p very jittery on most laptops and smartphones, so 30p is much safer.
@dkikac please help me solve my issue once and for all 🙏 I'm so frustrated with my drone videos looking jittery (that's why I watched this video). So it's actually because of my 60hz monitor playing 24fps video footage? So if I shoot in 30fps, it will look smooth on my monitor? I shot in 24fps because all the content creators say it looks more cinematic. I only shoot drone videos by the way.
I'm so glad you said this. I'm not a film geek but rather an engineer. I hear "this is how we've done it for the last 110 years" but to me its just an outdated limitation.
@@frankjoyce76 Makes 100% sense. I do like the feel of films, and if thats 24 or 9000, I don't "care", i just like it. But engineerining and art is a widely gapped study. I think "the way it was done for 100 years" is sometimes a good excuse.
I think that if time and money are not a big concern, shoot as fast as you possibly can. I think in 100 years they'll probably just shoot a thousand frames a second, so they can then compress/create whatever motion blur they want/slow motion if desired, and yet I still think 24 FPS will be a popular "film presentation" format on the final export.
@@frankjoyce76 Yes 24p is old school. We have progressed since the early film days in the 30’s and 40’s with their mechanical shutters! I use either 30p or 60p. Many advantages
Depends on WHAT you're shooting. A movie or something that you want to look like a nostalgic, classic, timeless story? 24. News, sports, vlogging, something that you want to look immediate, today, up to the minute? 30.
Wouldn't grading be more obvious/useful than frame rate for the criteria you mentioned? Messing around with Fuji's film settings at 30fps has produced some interesting and fun results for me, and I'm not sure 24fps would have made much difference.
@@patrickfitzgerald2861 not really. The same grading can be done for either. You can have a heavier and more stylized grade, but if the movement is off from the frame rate than you'll feel it immediately no matter the grade.
Great video. Thanks. I literally just shot my first 30fps video last week after always shooting 24fps. I'm sold on the switch. Especially as 90% of my content is walking around the mountains doing vlog style footage. Thanks and keep up the great work! 👍🏽
Great question... People say 24fps looks more cinematic but I really can’t tell the big difference and 30fps is giving me that room to slow down my footage to 70-80%
@@bradcoetzee I'm also having exactly the same personal decision making recently with myself - Also looking at the 25fps to work (post production/edit) in 'most' of the time. Appreciate that even though I'm PAL based/UK based, 100% of my production is watched online, so it almost doesn't matter on that front. However, I do notice that shooting in buildings/offices, the frequency of the house lights becomes a pain in the butt sometimes, and I am forced to adapt my shutter/FPS. Anyway, that is another discussion. One thing I'm trying to get clear in my head on this topic though - If I shoot everything at 50fps in camera (with shutter speed 100 to maintain the 180º rule) then dropping that footage into a 25fps sequence then Premiere will only be using exactly half the frames, but there would be no/little motion blur you may expect from a true 25fps clip. Although it provides me a lovely option to play any clip half speed (without audio obviously) I'm questioning the downside of always conforming to 25fps (and shooting at 50fps).
@@theopats2660 it certainly is a fix, if you notice a ‘flicking’ in the background of certain shots/scenes. The other issue I’ve found is that if an office/room has a dimmer function, that really messes up the frequency if you don’t have them on 100% power.
Another excellent, thoughtful video. I’ve been shooting GoPro and Mavic video in 24p, but this video convinced me to move to 30p once all my current projects are completed.
WOW, I absolutely love all the science you applied in this video to seeing the differences. the 30 almost always looks better to my eyes. When you were panning right, I could see the hangups, catches, glitches...whatever they're called on the 24. The 30 on the pan movement looked so much better. I am so sorry I said you were always telling us to use 24 on your community post.
That has everything to do with the type of viewing environment you have-mostly what type of monitor you use and how it displays that frame rate-and almost nothing to do with the original footage. Properly displayed, 24 fps looks just as "smooth" as 30 fps, with no stuttering.
@@Pfagnan it depends on the content. Sometimes it looks choppy, sometimes it looks fine on my computer monitor|. However, 24 fps on my LG 4K in the living room is amazing. I have it set correctly for a movie theater experience, tested via a 240fps capture on my iPhone to verify it does what it's supposed to be doing with black frame insertions and no frame interpolation.
The 3:2 pulldown results in such bad judder, 24fps should never be used unless you know the viewing device is capable of switching to 24p like a blu ray on a projector.
Really great content Javen. New subscriber here and a new drone owner. As an engineer, I really appreciate the details you provide in your videos, but still able to present the information in a real, relatable way that makes sense the first time hearing it. Keep putting out great stuff!
I’ve been agonizing over my choice of using 30p lately. I started out doing 24p and wanted to go back, but it always looked jerky to me. Even when using the 180* rule, the footage never looked quite “motion blurry” enough for me. It starts to look normal at 30, so that’s just what I had decided to stick with. This video confirmed that for me.
@@chrislee6650 I realized my error from 11 months ago was a setting in my camera was wrong. When I set the ISO to auto in my canon m3, it would change the frame rate with it, even in manual mode. When I started shooting in full manual, I started getting much better results.
Can I just say that those shots w/ your daughter really show off you being a professional photographer? The contrast, the color pop, just like straight from a commercial
Nicely done. Thanks for just giving the viewer the facts and the information for them to make a decision. So refreshing, so factual, so clearly presented. I trust you.
1. Don't say that viewers don't/can't tell the differens. They still feel it. As you wife. 2. I am watching this video over a phone in Sweden.(50hz) I could been lookining over a Eizo screen at 50 hz. I am not an expert on this but I really think you has a point. Its clearer. Its clear and calm. I don't really understand why we are learn to shoot in 25/50 for "video" when you get such as good result with 30 fps. Where is it coming from (cinema-nerds?) Allways go with 180 degrees on my Panasonic Camcord or with my Lumix cameras. Who would care if I always go for 30 fps for most of my videoworks ? Great content, thanks.
Great Video! I personally can't stand 24p or 25p here on RUclips, because, as you said, most screens have a refresh rate of 60 herz, and that just causes any movement to stutter. While it might not be on some shots, its still very unpleasing to me, and so I think 30p is the perfect option. Some time ago I actually made a video about this too ("Why 24 FPS is NOT the BEST FRAMERATE for RUclips VIDEOS", you might have even seen it), and I still think it's important to spread the message that 24 or 25 isn't "THE ONLY OPTION", and everything else gets hated.
@@JonathanMacher Richtig, richtig gut! Not only is it funny, it is also so more true than all of the 24p cinematic blabla out there. 24p does make sense. But only if you display it in cinemas or on screens that are able to refresh at 24/48/96/120 Hz or other multiples of 24. So, in most cases, 30p is the best choice. I think it gets especially obvious with videos that include a lot of steady movement, like drone videos. 24/25p drone videos are the worst when it comes to judder.
@@JonathanMacher As you use clips from Peter McKinnon and others in your video, can you quickly explain to me how you capture these clips? Do you simply do a screen recording and use that in your timeline, or is there a more elegant way?
On my DJI Pocket 2, 24fps is very jittery when panning. I started doing 30 for most of my clips and I think you are right. Not too much difference in motion blur between 24 and 30. Thank you for clearing that up for me.
ugh i really can't decide!! ended up here searching for info for a stop motion project as an industrial designer haha, and i was convinced i was gonna pick 24 but 30 is really nice in some places too...i think they both have their charm and their place to shine. but if i was forced to choose, i'd probably go with 24! and i love your little girl, she's just toooo precious!
I've been shooting 30fps since I started. I understand the whole cinematic view with 24fps but I just found 30 to be bit more smooth, bit more pleasing to the eye
Brilliant!! So glad I came across this. I'm tired of hearing from people that shoot 24fps because "That's the way they do it in Hollywood". Ever since I bought and sold a Panasonic DVX100B (many years ago) I've stuck with 30fps. Now I have a RUclips link I can send to them. Thanks so much for taking the time to do these tests!
I experienced this same thing when I started shooting 24fps when I got my Sony a7iii. Everyone out there says use 24, but everything I shot looked jittery. I noticed that this happened with movement such as panning. 30fps has looked better, so that’s what I’ve been using for years. I think about movies and the cameras seem to not move too much, that could be why there’s a difference between that and what we see with our own cameras moving around a lot more. Cool video
Compared the videos and for the most part, 30fps is what I was down with. There were a few instances where I thought 24fps looked (the drone shot of the Hummers comes to mind), but by and large, 30fps was better for me. Learned a little bit in process. Kudos. 👊
Thanks for this video! When I first got into video, I wanted to shoot 24p because I wanted a cinema feel. But after watching your samples, I think I prefer 30p now. It just looks smoother, especially if there's some action going on. I do still subscribe to the shutter speed being twice the frame rate. It doesn't look right to me if the shutter speed is higher. So I still use a VND filter.
This seems like an aesthetic choice, based on the style and content of the shooter. I began in film, and that has shaped the way I see things. Though I fully understand how online content might work better at 30fps. Love your work.
Great video. I know it was a year ago, but I only now decided to start looking at switching to 30fps. Almost everything I do is fast moving, cars, motorcycles etc and the 30fps 4K looks so much better. Thank you for putting in the time. Subscribed!
I shoot main/subject stuff at 24p. I shoot all my b-roll at 30p. The reason for this is if I conform my 30p b-roll to 24p on a 24p timeline you get this 'almost' slow motion footage that looks great, and is perfect for b-roll. If I don't want to conform it then the 30p looks almost just as good as 24p on a 24p timeline, without the issues you would get if you tried it with 60fps etc.
Been looking for quite a while why it is called the "180-degree rule" since Google came up with a completely different meaning (more like the angle something is filmed from). Thanks for explaining the rotating disc thingie!
The 180-degree rule IS actually something different in filmmaking. It means that you are not supposed to cross the axis-of-action between two subjects when filming or else you'll get improper screen direction in editing. I get what he's trying to convey, but it might be better if he described it as the 180-degree shutter rule so as not to be confusing.
Thanks for the video Jeven. 2-3 years ago I had the exact same thought-pattern. I always was hearing how 24p looks cine-like etc. but for my purposes (not vlogging) 30p worked the best and still does. 24P may have some advantages (though I can't really say what those would be) but all in all 30p is much more painless and NO it does not look soap-opera-like. Besides, in post there's a lot you can do with grading to make 30p look more cine-like.
This was the first breakdown video I watched from you and I am really impressed about the derivation! As a german european i am used to 25 fps. But both speeds, 25 fps and 30 fps have the disadvantage of not being very divisible. I like to combine animations (cgi or handmade) with real footage and often divide seconds into fractions to synchronize e.g. acceleration or other motion sequences. And for this the number 24 is virtually predestined - whether for halves, quarters or eighths. OK, this is not a visual but a purely technical reason. But maybe also an aspect for the choice of speed :) Cheers!
It's European vs US because of indoors light frequency is different in Europe than US, which comes from current frequency 50Hz - 24/25 fps doesn't cause flickering in Europe. And it's 60 Hz in US so 30 fps doesn't cause flickering in the US. But filming outside is a matter of choice, yes.
@@filmowewyprawy No, that has NOTHING to do with flickering. Flickering is all about shutter speed, not frame rate. It is not 24/25 fps that avoids flickering in Europe. It is the 1/50 shutter speed that usually goes along. You can use 30 fps with 1/50 shutter speed and won't have any flickering at all in Europe.
@@tomarse84 Each of those is something PER SECOND. 1 Hz is 1x/s. Framerate is per second. If they're not in sync, you're going to catch a flick in your movie. It's not that you can't set it up - 30fps in Europe. It's that that it's going to cause flickering in the movie. Well, unless your movie is under 1 second long ;)
@@tomarse84 thats not true. If you divide a 50Hz sine wave in 25/50/100 frames for example, you can set every possible shutter speed as every frame will always be exposed to the same total light intensity. Its shutter speed OR frame rate wich have to match the mains frequency
@@Skullizer You're right, I've been mistaken. With 25/50/100 fps you can use every shutter speed, with 30 fps you have to stick to 1/50 or 1/100. Still worth the judderfree experience of 30 fps (viewed on 60 Hz screens).
Hi there! From Italy. I watched your video tests and definitely decide to switch to 30 fps on my GH5, also if in Europe we have 50Hz AC and not 60Hz as in the States. Most of the content we watch today is surely on 60hz devices. Thanks for your video.
I watched the 24fps and the 30fps videos side by side as you suggested and I liked the 30fps best overall, but the 24fps was more attractive with how smooth made the environment around your daughter in the shot inside the house. In my own taste 30fps > 24fps.
When I started vlogging I figured I would always do 24fps... the more videos I've made the more I've started shooting in 30fps For action and vloggin videos, panning even... 30fps also makes sense for people viewing on today's traditional displays since most are 60hz refresh rate displays. Unpopular opinion to many cinematic video peeps but I do find 30fps to be the perfect amount of smooth without losing motion blur.
I like and agree with everything you said but if i can get your opinion (not a debate) to educate me. I much prefer the film blur to go away and prefer sharper images. Why is it so important to film enthusiasts? People buy new tv's just so they can get a sharper image.
@@frankjoyce76 move your hand in front of your face back and forth. You'll notice your hand turns into a blur at high speeds. This is why people shoot at a shutter speed around 1/60th for 30fps to create a video that closely matches what the human eye sees. If capturing detail of moving objects and being less realistic is not a negative, you can shoot higher frame rates and shutter speeds. A caveat when you loose blur is you tend to also loose a sense of speed for the objects in your videos. A little blur is nice imo to make it feel natural.
Thanks Jeven! Another "treasue" video from your cove. :) I'm just starting my motovlog channel and I think your videos alone raised the production value of my raw footage with like 20%. Keep it up! Also, that lil' girl is an angel. :)
Awesome video and valuable information. Great insight, I feel 24p is great for anything that's going to be a movie/film production (acting), and 30p would be ideal for documentary/vlog style, maybe look at it like anything when you're looking into the lens of the camera and talking to the camera/audience use 30p. I have really been playing with over cranking, shooting 60P slowing 50% in a 30P timeline, shooting 30P slowing 80% in a 24P timeline, then last shooting 60P slowing 40% in a 24p Timeline. In addition, speeding audio/music for pre shooting by using a little math, 1.5x shooting 60p slowing to 30p, 1.25x shooting 30p slowing to 24p, 2.5x shooting 60p slowing to 24p. This way the audio remains the original speed when the picture is slowed down.
One of the best illustrations and explanations of the differences of those 2 frame rates out there! Yes, despite the definite increase in clarity and smoothness of 30fps, for those going for a more distant, poetic, melancholic feel like myself, 24fps is definitely the way to go! There is a reason the old folks in the 1930's decided on 24fps for the movies, and it wasn't just for ideal sound speed. Having done extensive comparisons, I must say, any faster than 24 or 25(European) fps gives the motion picture just a bit too sharp, "livey" feel for a dreamy cinema which evokes a poetic past. It's as if our eyes need to "fill in the blanks" of the greater space between frames of the lower speed rate, leaving more for the perceptual imagination. Thanks for the superb presentation!
So when comparing the two clips I kinda find the 30 fps has a more home video, amateur feel to it. Can't pin point why but everything feels a bit more jerky maybe.
This is a really good tip, thank you. I 'll prefer for panning or b-roll videos 30 and 60 fps. For lockdown tripod cinematic shots 24 fps is better i guess.
I remember in film school in the 90s we hated that all we had (non-film cameras) were SVHS cut they looked awful with 30fps. We found a way to get get European 25fps cameras (PAL) just to get a more 'cinematic' feel vs. 30fps. There was a company in LA who converted 30fps to 24fps. It's just odd that now some people want to go back to 30fps. I don't get it, it feels like video to me.
Easy. 24fps just looks plan bad. The 24fps to 60fps (most phone and monitors are natively 60fps) conversion looks jerky and juddery on motion and pans. Some die hards might be used to it, but, the rest of us who watch silky smooth 60fps see 24fps jerky, juddery, and just plain archaic. Just remember, 24fps was selected as the standard 100years ago as an acceptable compromise between film use (film was very expensive at the time) and an acceptable 'suspension of disbelief', not because 24fps looks great, because it doesnt. If you film in 60fps, as you should, and still wan the soft jerky juddery pans of 24fps, just add this in post. Filming in 30fps is much better than 24fps, looks nearly as good as 60fps in most circumstances, and the conversion between 30fps and the typical 60fps display device, is vastly better than the 24 to 60fps conversion.
@@ronineditor9920 24fps totally looks bad on playback devices that don't use multiples of 24 as their rate of frame turnout, and most phones and personal computers have 60hz screens, not 48, 72 or 96. Even 20fps looks better than 24 on a 60hz screen, just because of smooth frame turnout pace.
Great info thank you! I started with 24fps because it seemed the correct way, but soon realised I love 30fps because it's crisper and smoother.. but that said, I shoot commercially and not actual films.
That was a good point about 30fps. It's less jerky than 24 but not unreal like the higher frame rates. I'm switching to 30. It's just a shame to lose all the 24fps video clips.
These days it's 100% an issue with the Hz. I've been shocked that we've not seen consistently 120Hz monitors and televisions. It makes it all work, and it makes it all look so very much better. 24p displayed at 24p in a display or in a theatre that can do 24p is a beautiful thing. As is 48p and 60p and even 30p. When I shoot with the intent of it being properly screened, I choose 24p. Otherwise, we're all stuck in 30p or 60p world unless we want to deal with the issues you've described.
I film at 60 FPS and edit on a 30 FPS timeline. That way I can still get smooth 120 FPS when I want it. It looks good and is better than 24 FPS, to me.
@Spider-Man, film all of your footage @ 60 fps, edit your video on 30 fps timeline and export it @ 30 fps as Jeven described. Filming at 60 fps allows you to use any of your footage @ 120 fps slow-mo without having to film specifically @ 120 fps. Also, any footage you film @ 60 fps and slow down on a 30 fps timeline will look really smooth 30, 60 and 120 fps all mesh together perfectly. Filming @ 60 fps and editing at 30 fps gives your footage a smooth look without looking like home video footage.
Thanks, Jeven! I was debating this very thing yesterday. Went out and shot some footage at 24 (my standard), and 30. I think I may be changing my standard!
I said that for years. It depends on what type of video your shooting Cinema style or crisp video style. I never mix the two. The viewer can see this and it will lose its grip on the audience. Great video. Thanks so much. I’ll share this.
Why do people say 24p and 30p instead of 24fps and 30fps? Doesn't the "p" mean "progressive" as in 1080p vs 1080i? It confuses my brain and I have to accept that when people are saying 24p they really mean to say 24fps (over and over again).
Thank you for this video! I'm probably not the first to report this, but by far the most important thing is to respect the refresh rate of the monitor that most of your audience will be watching the video on. For RUclips or other social media content, 99% of the time this will be a monitor set to 60Hz (PC, laptop, smartphone, tablet). That means you get the 3/2 pulldown when your content is 24p and THAT will be the biggest cause of the stutter (or actually JUDDER is the correct term) people experience. You only talk about this briefly at the end, but it is the 3/2 pulldown that is the problem: 60 is simply not divisible by 24... So the device will have to show some frames 3x in a row and others 2x simply to 'fit' 24 into 60. This is not ideal for panning and fast movements. The 'test' you offer is therefore not fair: to really make a fair comparison, you first have to set your device to 24Hz to watch the 24p footage, and then switch your device back to 30hZ (or 60Hz, it doesn't matter that much ) to watch the 30 Hz footage afterwards (in Windows: Settings > Screen > Advanced) I totally agree that a frame rate that is too high doesn't seem so cinematic: you want a bit of that 'dreamy' smoothness that you never get at 60fps or higher. But we also have to take into account the devices on which people watch your content, and then 30fps is a better choice in my view in almost all cases.
If you plan to show your videos through a TV broadcaster on a TV screen, yes, go for 25p. If you plan to show them through a computer or smart phone, they will ALL play them back at 30p/60p regardless of your footage frame rate.
@@jorgenbjerke Exactly. But there's the issue of flickering lights. As soon as you want to film something with artificial lights in 50Hz land, you really want to go with 50fps, IMHO. Not sure how to make this flickering go away in post.
@@fhajji i watched a video recently where this problem was discussed. he ended up recommending shooting with 30fps or 60fps cause smartphones and laptops have 60 hz monitors like jeven said in this video. and for the problem with the lights flickering he said try using 1/50 shutterpseed to compensate that. there wouldnt be much difference in motion blure using 1/50 instead of 1/60. so 30 fps and 1/50 shutter speed or 60 fps and 1/100 shutter speed. i didnt tried myself yet but i want to do in the next days
@@LouG2403 The flickering happens when the lights (including from monitors) flicker at a different rate than the shutter speed. The shutter is bound to capture moments when the lights are briefly off, because it is not exactly synchronized to the lights periodic flickering. If the shutter speed is the same (or an integer multiple of) the lights flickering, you are guaranteed to capture the lights being always on (or always off), but not flickering. Now, in 60 Hz land, every artificial light flickers at that frequency. If you shoot at 30fps or 60fps, you'll see no flickering. But if you shoot at 25fps or 50fps, you will. And vice-versa in 50 Hz land. Sometimes, you will get flickering anyway, when lights are not hooked to the power grid, but are powered by a generator: for example, LEDs in buses and cars usually flicker, because these generators aren't exactly at 60 Hz (or 50 Hz), but something in-between, thus never meeting exactly the camera's shutter speed presets. I saw a tutorial showing that to get rid of that in post, you can copy the entire clip, shift it one (1) frame forward or backward, and merge both copies into one. I have yet to try it.
Cinema means celluloid film, yes? I see the word cinema, and the word cinematic, used in discussing frame rates but I’m not at all clear what is meant. I’m guessing you mean that if making a movie to be shown in a cinema then use 24fps, if making a TV show or something for RUclips then use 30. Is that the gist of it?
I understand your point of view but isn’t as simple, I have to pull footage from previous shoots and sometimes use it for other stuff and if I’m editing 30 but the footage was 24 then the problem takes place, but I’m with you 30fps seems to be the sort of sweat spot and if I need 24 I think I can pull it off with the 30fps vs the other way around.
@@jpe1 It's more about how you want your video/film to FEEL. 24fps FEELS like it's a movie because that's what and how you've been experiencing movies all your life, they have all been shot and shown at 24fps. So when you make a video in 30fps and watch it, it will not have that movie-like FEEL or VIBE. 30fps is smoother so for vlogging, there can be advantages. HOWEVER, your vlog will not give off a "movie-like" (which is what ppl mean when they say the word "cinematic") vibe, but that's ok because vlogging isn't really a "movie". Vlogging is more in the documentary & news reporting category... and 30fps is actually what news channels and sports channels use, they aren't shooting and displaying their stuff in 24fps, which is why the news channel does not look "cinematic" or "movie-like".
@@saigonproducer that makes sense, thanks for the explanation. I hadn’t thought much about how expectations can influence the experience but of course they do.
Great video! I'm now convinced to shoot and cut in 30 FPS :) The only advantage of 24 for me is the option to shoot 30 FPS and slightly slowdown to 80%. But the main point is the playback device: a huge amount of displays use 60 Hz refreshrate which doesn't devide evenly to 24, but to 30. More and more displays refresh their screens with 120 Hz which makes it suitable for 30 AND 24 FPS. So maybe i will change my opinion about this in a couple of years. But for now your video convinced me that i will not lose anything "cinematic" when going for 30 instead of 24. Especially as i'm a beginner with no ambition to make "big" film productions ;)
7:46 it's not "cinematic quality" that you are recognising, that is the cinematic comprimise that you see when you watch a 24 fps FILM on a modern 60 hz monitor. "Cinematic Quality" is 100% incorrect term.
Great visually scientific analysis -- thanks for the thought-provoking comparisons. Looking now to compare 60fps versus 30 and 24 to use for different subjects. Thanks!!!
I learned a lot from this video thanks, brother. I was experiencing some strange lag at 24fps after exporting. I attempted to be more cinematic for my Instagram/TikTok content but I'm sticking with 30-60 from now on.
Old video, but thanks for doing it. I've been thinking of switching from 30 to 24 for the low light help it gives, but it's waaaaay easier to keep that 30 fps and you give good enough arguments and examples, so THANKS FOR HELPING ME AVOID HEADACHE! ❤
Great video. Thank you for clarifying this. I have been shooting 30fps for decades because most of what I do is for video/broadcast. I always assumed 24fps was for cinematic, but now, since I have cinema cameras, I may just shoot in 30fps regardless.
For most of the footage, it didn't seem to really matter a whole lot. But the opening shot, wow the 24 is hard to watch. I am ancient and have had many interests in my long life, but have never really taken an interest in photography. Recently I bought a mini 2 more out of interest in flying than filming. My wife is very young and she loves and deserves to be on camera. So I have realized I might as well improve the footage I get while I'm horsing around with this new toy. I don't know jack about shooting video and your ability to convey the intricacies understandably and interestingly is commendable. Thanks, you're really helping teach an old dog new tricks.
Hi Jeven - Good video explaining the difference between these two frame rates and the 180 degrees rule. I’ve always used 30 FPS but wondered if I should be using 24 FPS. Thanks for clearing that up.
When you watch my two samples side by side can you see a difference between 24 and 30? Which one do you actually think looks better?
Yes I see it, and I wonder; is that the jumpiness I perceived in the Overland Video / Pony Express Graveyard scene?.. Either way, this is a high value video for setting up shop.. thankyou.
@@fyuzn Yeah I think so. Also I think that shot was accidentally shot at a higher shutter speed so those two things combined made it feel jumpy.
30fps to me looks clearer. For my channel, I'm shooting 30fps.
This video came at the perfect time for me. I literally feel like I asked the universe for an answer and you uploaded this video. Thanks so much for this because I’ve been really debating what I should stick to. I use my iPhone a lot and it automatically goes to 60fps. I change it to 30fps to save space on my phone and I don’t see a huge difference, but using my dslr more, I’m seeing more difference. I think 24fpa adds to action shots. It makes it look more ‘exciting’. But for my narrative videos or interview videos, I like the 30fps better.
Which do you think is better for special effects and transitions?
Sidebar: Your daughter is adorable! 🥰
@@AzizaKibibi I think you'd want to move to higher fps for action. The 24fps perception I sense is more of a stutter than a jitter.. (?.!.)..
Neither. 60FPS because I don't know what I'm doing and it's the first one on the menu.
@thinkingpictures, film all of your footage @ 60 fps, edit your video on 30 fps timeline and export it @ 30 fps as Jeven described. Filming at 60 fps allows you to use any of your footage @ 120 fps slow-mo without having to film specifically @ 120 fps.
Also, any footage you film @ 60 fps and slow down on a 30 fps timeline will look really smooth 30, 60 and 120 fps all mesh together perfectly. Filming @ 60 fps and editing at 30 fps gives your footage a smooth look without looking like home video footage.
@@fredriksvard2603, export @ 30fps.
@@fredriksvard2603, exporting @ 60fps makes the video look like a home movie. Filming at 60, then editing and exporting @ 30 gives it a more “cinematic” look across all viewing formats. Where viewing 24fps on a 60Hz monitor or TV gives a more jittery appearance, where 30 fps @ 60Hz gives it that smooth cinematic look.
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@@WoodsmokeSelf-Reliance my first video was in 24p and watching it back on my 165hz display is cursed. But I’m starting to shoot 4K 30p and 24p for more cinematic shots, occasionally I’ll drop it down to 1080FHD 60p if I feel like I need the extra frames and 4K 30p is kind of what my camera is limited to.
Lots of good information here -- I just need to add one quip. The 180º shutter speed rule for motion blur matters if you're showing people moving around, which is why in your demo you were moving your hands constantly. But not so for sit-down interviews.
I shot a widely successful, feature-length doc absolutely ignoring the 180º rule for virtually all the interviews -- I chose instead to prioritize wide aperture / de-focused backgrounds, and I used higher shutter speeds to reduce the exposure (we didn't have any variable filters at our disposal). That film was later distributed by Warner Brothers and Netflix, won 12 film festival awards, and earned an 11-city national theatrical release. Not one person ever commented about the high shutter speeds in the interviews having created "jerky," or stuttered motion effects. When only a mouth is moving with the camera on sticks -- it's just not noticeable.
But again -- I'm talking about *interviews* not sports, not dance, not workouts. Thanks for the video.
I recently shot an intro for one of my videos and did this. I was outside, 1.2F, 100 ISO, and I think my frame rate was 1/2500 because I needed the shot darkened up. It worked out great until you saw my hands for a second, but even then they went back out of the shot and it wasn’t very distracting. I have no idea what I’m doing, but it worked for this one shot.
Thank you for sharing it so amateur film making enthusiasts like me can get some interesting insights!
My brother and I had a corporate video production company for over 30 years (now retired). We got involved, once or twice a year, in local and regional film festivals and soon the question came up from many of the producers...24 or 30fps. For us, it came down to how the movie is to be projected. Most were projected at 30, so we stayed at 30. But some diehards, wanting to get that cinematic look, insisted on 24. OK, but we found that the frame rate of the cinematic look was only a part of that look. Film itself has a different visual quality and lighting plays a huge role in the look. So, to avoid jitters and questionable benefits of 24 to get cinematic looks, we concentrated on other techniques and never looked twice at 24. And that is why I think you nailed it when pointing out that you need to assess how it is to be viewed.
im trying to get into cinematic filiming, and motovlogging. I dont have many options, but i found that 30 fps 4k is really looking good, would you suggest to film in 60fps and then export it to 30fps? or Should i just stay at 30 dps nativly? Sorry for the late reply.
@@TrueMikeShow I've never shot in 60fps, except maybe to do slo mo. Otherwise, I don't see the advantage 60, especially if you're going to bring it back down to 30 in post. Unless there is some issue with the camera at 30, I think I would vote just to stay at 30. This also would avoid anymore processing and data sizes to bring it down from 60 to 30.
If you like nature shots, putting a 30p footage on 24p at 80% speed looks sooo good though 👍 thanks for the insightful video!
Well how do I do that? 😅
@@Wonderousfaye you put your 30p footage into your 24p timeline and slow it down to 80%
Hi, would this work well if you’re trail hiking? The problem I have is bouncy looking footage…my action camera is on my backpack (no gimbal)…would it be more pleasing to watch using this method? I’m new to this so any info would be greatly appreciated 😊
I no joke was debating this for the last several weeks.
Lol, what's there to debate? Unless it's new to you. This has been established decades ago.
A quick google search or Alexa listening and tadaa... youtube knows what you need.
I"ve been thinking about this debate a lot over the last few years. Only super film geeks really feel they need to stick to the old 24 blur. Everyone else shrugs their shoulders and says I'll get used to it pretty quick".
PLEASE do a video on shooting in 60p and editing on a 24p vs 30p timeline. SO many people do this but there is not a SINGLE video out there highlighting this.....
I second this
Yes please this one !
I third this
Are you just interested or are you saying this is wrong?
@@Keefikus interested, as i shoot 60p so i have flexibility, but edit in a 30p timeline, but know some edit in 24p timelines, but not sure if this will negatively affect my video? more jittery etc, i just want an in-depth video on it
Excellent video! I always shoot 30 as well. It makes it easier and more compatible to use 60 FPS shots slowed down by half for slow-mo clips.
Yep.
To me 60fps looks smooth and natural. I do not understand why some people are giving this a negative attribute by calling it "soap opera effect". 30fps is ok but judders somewhat when panning. 24fps is awful, terrible judder when the camera is moving in a direction or when panning. I do not understand why some people are calling this "cinematic". It's a pain in the eye.
I have heard people say that 24 is great for "films" but 30 is better for speaking/vlogging
@@ayomaggotz but we can see the difference with 60fps. That's just so fluid you'll feel like your watching it live or are at the scene.
I would agree with you - I would say 30fps is perhaps better when there is more movement, e.g. family trips, I would shoot in 30fps and go down to 24/25fps for cinematic scenes.
60 makes me wanna throw up.
@@cmdr.shepard
Fully agree, I can’t watch it.
I think that 24 FPS works with slow camera movements with the scene not being in really far distance.
I always ask myself this question before choosing 24 vs 30fps. Is the final product just suppose to represent real life (for example, any narrative work) or is it suppose to be real life (for example, a documentary, or vlog)? That pretty quickly determines what frame rate I'll be shooting at. 30fps is closer to how we actually see in real life (though 60fps is a lot closer) where as 24fps tends to make people feel like they're almost watching something unworldly. Of course there is exceptions for me. I'm currently filming a documentary that will be delivered in 24fps. The reason I chose to do so is because I want people to almost feel as if they're watching a narrative film in terms of its overall artistic quality. 24fps almost has a strange dreamy effect to it.
Is the end result available to see? I do mini documentaries...
I think it's a bit funny to say that 60 or even 30 fps are what "we actually see in real life" when the difference between a 60, 144 and even 360 FPS picture are incredibly noticeable even to an untrained eye.
I once Heard you could shot it in 30fps and render it 24fpf
Long story short...when I first started this channel in Jan I was wingin' EVERYTHING, just guessing and learning as I went. One of the very first pieces of advice was "always shoot in 24" so, just did. Literally didn't know WHY just that I was "supposed" to. Learned a bit since and I'm kinda wanting to switch to 30 just to see what, it any, difference it makes. Too teeny of channel to be getting any constructive criticism from viewers yet so I'm still trying to watch my own stuff and attempt to figure out what might be working and what isn't. Info like this definitely helps by giving me something else to add to my limited, but slowly growing knowledge base. Thanks for sharing!
BEST VIDEO I have ever seen on this subject!!! So informed and objective and very well explained!!! I tried 24 and it was too choppy with a lot of panning and quick camera moves-especially for RUclips delivery. Those extra 6 frames in 30p are GOLD!!!
I checked out your footage of both 24p and 30p side by side and prefer the 30p. I'm watching on a 120hz monitor. I've even been experimenting with 60p. I'm pretty new at all of this and appreciate your taking the time to teach us the many tips and tricks you share.
I think I watched some other guy who noticed 30p videos on his channel are getting better views than 24p.
Thank you Jeven! I have been waiting for this video. So many big RUclipsrs are married to 24 FPS. It sometimes sounds like it’s the only right thing to do. I have been using 30 FPS, and your video made me feel a lot better 👊
Absolutely! Me too
So,...we live in a 60hz world in the US. 24p looks fine,..."IF",....it's actually watched in "real" 24 frames per second. 24p is JUNK when watched on a 60hz monitor. Most PC systems and monitors are displaying in 60p and the 60p timing "SHEARS" or "slices" a frame in half every second. 24p cant fit in 60 hz without tearing a frame. 30p does NOT have this problem. When playing on a 60hz monitor, 30 frame is a PERFECT and "even" 1/2 rate. No mathematic "shredding" or "tearing" of any frames. This exact 1/2 rate is a perfect cadence and even fit. This is the major problem why 24p looks so bad on RUclips when everybody is watching on a 60hz monitor. How many people send perfect 24p from a video card to your monitor? I bet ZERO. All our cards are outputting 60hz or maybe 120hz. Mystery solved!
Good point. I've been shooting 24fps (23.98whatever) and I might make the change to 30fps now.
This. So much this. The vast majority of monitors people are using are 60Hz nowadays, outside the US too. So 24 introduces stuttering as frames are interpolated.
Pretty much the only exception are high refresh rate monitors, which go by multiples of 30, 24, or neither. (or both in the case of 120Hz). But those are still by far the minority and most tech assumes 60Hz to be the default.
144 hz monitors are great for 24fps content due to this.
I still like films shot at 24 fps watching on my 60 Hz monitor (with 2/3 pulldown) rather than 30 fps on the same monitor. For vlogging, excercises etc. it doesn't matter, but if there is a story to tell, I'm immediatelly drawn in to it in 24 fps. In 30 fps I still wonder what's wrong... My 2 cents...
@@filipzamec9671 I care about the content, not the frame rate so higher simply looks better to me.
Good Video! You mentioned the screen refresh rate as one of the factors, but it is THE most important factor. This 2/3 pulldown makes the 24p very jittery on most laptops and smartphones, so 30p is much safer.
Right! If it's supposed to work universally on all platforms, 30fps is the way to go.
30p every time. 24p too jerky when panning especially - not enough frames! Great video btw!!!
But once TVs and phones/tables/screens in general all get to 120Hz will it even matter? 120/30=4 vs 120/24=5, whereas 60/30=2 and 60/24=2.5
@dkikac please help me solve my issue once and for all 🙏 I'm so frustrated with my drone videos looking jittery (that's why I watched this video). So it's actually because of my 60hz monitor playing 24fps video footage? So if I shoot in 30fps, it will look smooth on my monitor? I shot in 24fps because all the content creators say it looks more cinematic. I only shoot drone videos by the way.
Bingo that is the only reason you need
Great breakdown Jeven! I vote 30fps - nice balance. (The 24fps definitely looks pretty jittery on my end)
I'm so glad you said this. I'm not a film geek but rather an engineer. I hear "this is how we've done it for the last 110 years" but to me its just an outdated limitation.
@@frankjoyce76 Makes 100% sense. I do like the feel of films, and if thats 24 or 9000, I don't "care", i just like it. But engineerining and art is a widely gapped study. I think "the way it was done for 100 years" is sometimes a good excuse.
I think that if time and money are not a big concern, shoot as fast as you possibly can. I think in 100 years they'll probably just shoot a thousand frames a second, so they can then compress/create whatever motion blur they want/slow motion if desired, and yet I still think 24 FPS will be a popular "film presentation" format on the final export.
Uh , this is also 3:2 pulldown, the 24p at 60 Hz refresh rate .
@@frankjoyce76 Yes 24p is old school. We have progressed since the early film days in the 30’s and 40’s with their mechanical shutters! I use either 30p or 60p. Many advantages
Depends on WHAT you're shooting. A movie or something that you want to look like a nostalgic, classic, timeless story? 24. News, sports, vlogging, something that you want to look immediate, today, up to the minute? 30.
Wouldn't grading be more obvious/useful than frame rate for the criteria you mentioned? Messing around with Fuji's film settings at 30fps has produced some interesting and fun results for me, and I'm not sure 24fps would have made much difference.
@@patrickfitzgerald2861 not really. The same grading can be done for either. You can have a heavier and more stylized grade, but if the movement is off from the frame rate than you'll feel it immediately no matter the grade.
How about a travel film if ever?
How do you do when you want to mix 30fps or 24 fps look with a few pieces of slow motion in the same video?
I settled for 30 FPS. 24 FPS looks jerky on my 60 FPS monitor. And it's much less forgiving on drone footage when you move around quicker.
Great video. Thanks. I literally just shot my first 30fps video last week after always shooting 24fps. I'm sold on the switch. Especially as 90% of my content is walking around the mountains doing vlog style footage. Thanks and keep up the great work! 👍🏽
Great question... People say 24fps looks more cinematic but I really can’t tell the big difference and 30fps is giving me that room to slow down my footage to 70-80%
this is the best explanation of this ive seen on youtube. ive wasted so much footage w the shutter speed cranked too high.
I’m so glad you covered this topic. I agree, 30 looks better.
Great Vid, thank you. I’m in Europe to I shoot in PAL 25fps
I'm also pal and shoot 30 or 50 if the camera allows and edit/deliver 25. Looks fine and always have the option for smooth slow mo.
@@bradcoetzee I'm also having exactly the same personal decision making recently with myself - Also looking at the 25fps to work (post production/edit) in 'most' of the time. Appreciate that even though I'm PAL based/UK based, 100% of my production is watched online, so it almost doesn't matter on that front. However, I do notice that shooting in buildings/offices, the frequency of the house lights becomes a pain in the butt sometimes, and I am forced to adapt my shutter/FPS. Anyway, that is another discussion. One thing I'm trying to get clear in my head on this topic though - If I shoot everything at 50fps in camera (with shutter speed 100 to maintain the 180º rule) then dropping that footage into a 25fps sequence then Premiere will only be using exactly half the frames, but there would be no/little motion blur you may expect from a true 25fps clip. Although it provides me a lovely option to play any clip half speed (without audio obviously) I'm questioning the downside of always conforming to 25fps (and shooting at 50fps).
@@Audiotechnical I am in Europe also . Do you need to shoot pal to avoid the light flickering?
@@theopats2660 it certainly is a fix, if you notice a ‘flicking’ in the background of certain shots/scenes. The other issue I’ve found is that if an office/room has a dimmer function, that really messes up the frequency if you don’t have them on 100% power.
Did you guys rendered your videos in 24fps?
I've often thought of switching to 30fps..Thanks for sharing Jeven!
Just try to watch your 24 fps drone content at 1.25x speed and see for yourself. 24 * 1.25 = 30 fps ;-) Keep it up.
@@diman4010 You're a genius
Another excellent, thoughtful video. I’ve been shooting GoPro and Mavic video in 24p, but this video convinced me to move to 30p once all my current projects are completed.
WOW, I absolutely love all the science you applied in this video to seeing the differences. the 30 almost always looks better to my eyes. When you were panning right, I could see the hangups, catches, glitches...whatever they're called on the 24. The 30 on the pan movement looked so much better. I am so sorry I said you were always telling us to use 24 on your community post.
That has everything to do with the type of viewing environment you have-mostly what type of monitor you use and how it displays that frame rate-and almost nothing to do with the original footage. Properly displayed, 24 fps looks just as "smooth" as 30 fps, with no stuttering.
30 fps way better when moving or panning!! Done my tests - not even close. Better motion-capture and sharper too!!
@@nathan43082 For RUclips or watching on a PC no way 24 looks better. Choppy…especially when panning
@@Pfagnan it depends on the content. Sometimes it looks choppy, sometimes it looks fine on my computer monitor|.
However, 24 fps on my LG 4K in the living room is amazing. I have it set correctly for a movie theater experience, tested via a 240fps capture on my iPhone to verify it does what it's supposed to be doing with black frame insertions and no frame interpolation.
The 3:2 pulldown results in such bad judder, 24fps should never be used unless you know the viewing device is capable of switching to 24p like a blu ray on a projector.
Fantastic walkthrough, exactly the info we were looking for! Thanks Jeven! 😊
Really great content Javen. New subscriber here and a new drone owner. As an engineer, I really appreciate the details you provide in your videos, but still able to present the information in a real, relatable way that makes sense the first time hearing it. Keep putting out great stuff!
I’ve been agonizing over my choice of using 30p lately. I started out doing 24p and wanted to go back, but it always looked jerky to me. Even when using the 180* rule, the footage never looked quite “motion blurry” enough for me. It starts to look normal at 30, so that’s just what I had decided to stick with. This video confirmed that for me.
@@chrislee6650 I realized my error from 11 months ago was a setting in my camera was wrong. When I set the ISO to auto in my canon m3, it would change the frame rate with it, even in manual mode. When I started shooting in full manual, I started getting much better results.
Do you currently shoot at 24 or 30?
@@MumenRider78 I’ve been shooting almost everything at 24p lately and I’ve been liking it more and more
Finally!!! A comprehensive explanation of real world vs academic rules
30p for me although I love the look of 24 for static and minimal movement shots.
If it's static, how could you even tell the diff?
Can I just say that those shots w/ your daughter really show off you being a professional photographer? The contrast, the color pop, just like straight from a commercial
Everything about how creative we are. Great message jovan
Who is Jeven
Nicely done. Thanks for just giving the viewer the facts and the information for them to make a decision. So refreshing, so factual, so clearly presented. I trust you.
I mostly do 24...but this makes sense especially if one is filming action or at an amusement park or something....great info
1. Don't say that viewers don't/can't tell the differens. They still feel it. As you wife.
2. I am watching this video over a phone in Sweden.(50hz) I could been lookining over a Eizo screen at 50 hz.
I am not an expert on this but I really think you has a point. Its clearer. Its clear and calm. I don't really understand why we are learn to shoot in 25/50 for "video" when you get such as good result with 30 fps.
Where is it coming from (cinema-nerds?) Allways go with 180 degrees on my Panasonic Camcord or with my Lumix cameras. Who would care if I always go for
30 fps for most of my videoworks ? Great content, thanks.
Great Video! I personally can't stand 24p or 25p here on RUclips, because, as you said, most screens have a refresh rate of 60 herz,
and that just causes any movement to stutter. While it might not be on some shots, its still very unpleasing to me, and so I think 30p is the perfect option.
Some time ago I actually made a video about this too ("Why 24 FPS is NOT the BEST FRAMERATE for RUclips VIDEOS", you might have even seen it),
and I still think it's important to spread the message that 24 or 25 isn't "THE ONLY OPTION", and everything else gets hated.
Unfortunately, I can't find this video of yours on your channel. Beautiful videos, though. Greetings from Vienna
@@tomarse84 As I plan on making an updated version, it was set to private for a while. I've just made it public again :)
@@JonathanMacher Richtig, richtig gut! Not only is it funny, it is also so more true than all of the 24p cinematic blabla out there. 24p does make sense. But only if you display it in cinemas or on screens that are able to refresh at 24/48/96/120 Hz or other multiples of 24. So, in most cases, 30p is the best choice.
I think it gets especially obvious with videos that include a lot of steady movement, like drone videos. 24/25p drone videos are the worst when it comes to judder.
@@tomarse84 Well said 👏
@@JonathanMacher As you use clips from Peter McKinnon and others in your video, can you quickly explain to me how you capture these clips? Do you simply do a screen recording and use that in your timeline, or is there a more elegant way?
Thanks for this video! I watched the others side by side, and am going to give the 30fps a go for the next few vlogs.
On my DJI Pocket 2, 24fps is very jittery when panning. I started doing 30 for most of my clips and I think you are right. Not too much difference in motion blur between 24 and 30. Thank you for clearing that up for me.
ugh i really can't decide!! ended up here searching for info for a stop motion project as an industrial designer haha, and i was convinced i was gonna pick 24 but 30 is really nice in some places too...i think they both have their charm and their place to shine. but if i was forced to choose, i'd probably go with 24! and i love your little girl, she's just toooo precious!
I've been shooting 30fps since I started. I understand the whole cinematic view with 24fps but I just found 30 to be bit more smooth, bit more pleasing to the eye
Yes 30fps is smoother. Its 30fps, not 24fps.
Brilliant!! So glad I came across this. I'm tired of hearing from people that shoot 24fps because "That's the way they do it in Hollywood". Ever since I bought and sold a Panasonic DVX100B (many years ago) I've stuck with 30fps. Now I have a RUclips link I can send to them. Thanks so much for taking the time to do these tests!
I experienced this same thing when I started shooting 24fps when I got my Sony a7iii. Everyone out there says use 24, but everything I shot looked jittery. I noticed that this happened with movement such as panning. 30fps has looked better, so that’s what I’ve been using for years. I think about movies and the cameras seem to not move too much, that could be why there’s a difference between that and what we see with our own cameras moving around a lot more. Cool video
Pro Hollywood type expensive cams have global shutter vs the shutter everyone else uses called 'rolling shutter'.
No question! I always shoot 30 or 60. 24 is too jerky and not smooth at all for RUclips or on a PC
Maybe your 24 is actually 23.976 ...
I have been watching several different RUclipsrs on this subject and yours is the clearest explanation to me. Thanks!
Finally!!! I was asking you about this for more than 2 years, man! ;D
Haha yeah I’ve wanted to make this for a while but wanted to give 24p a fair shot again and test some things out
Compared the videos and for the most part, 30fps is what I was down with. There were a few instances where I thought 24fps looked (the drone shot of the Hummers comes to mind), but by and large, 30fps was better for me. Learned a little bit in process. Kudos. 👊
Thanks for this video! When I first got into video, I wanted to shoot 24p because I wanted a cinema feel. But after watching your samples, I think I prefer 30p now. It just looks smoother, especially if there's some action going on. I do still subscribe to the shutter speed being twice the frame rate. It doesn't look right to me if the shutter speed is higher. So I still use a VND filter.
This seems like an aesthetic choice, based on the style and content of the shooter. I began in film, and that has shaped the way I see things. Though I fully understand how online content might work better at 30fps. Love your work.
Great video. I know it was a year ago, but I only now decided to start looking at switching to 30fps. Almost everything I do is fast moving, cars, motorcycles etc and the 30fps 4K looks so much better. Thank you for putting in the time. Subscribed!
For sure! 24p doesn’t work well for anything with action or panning movements. Too jerky and not enough frames to keep up to motion
I shoot main/subject stuff at 24p. I shoot all my b-roll at 30p. The reason for this is if I conform my 30p b-roll to 24p on a 24p timeline you get this 'almost' slow motion footage that looks great, and is perfect for b-roll. If I don't want to conform it then the 30p looks almost just as good as 24p on a 24p timeline, without the issues you would get if you tried it with 60fps etc.
Came for the discussion about frame rates. Stayed for the footage of the baby in the bubbles. Your daughter is adorable, dude.
Been looking for quite a while why it is called the "180-degree rule" since Google came up with a completely different meaning (more like the angle something is filmed from). Thanks for explaining the rotating disc thingie!
The 180-degree rule IS actually something different in filmmaking. It means that you are not supposed to cross the axis-of-action between two subjects when filming or else you'll get improper screen direction in editing. I get what he's trying to convey, but it might be better if he described it as the 180-degree shutter rule so as not to be confusing.
@@cinesmithfilms9321 Thanks for this clear answer.
Thanks for the video Jeven. 2-3 years ago I had the exact same thought-pattern. I always was hearing how 24p looks cine-like etc. but for my purposes (not vlogging) 30p worked the best and still does. 24P may have some advantages (though I can't really say what those would be) but all in all 30p is much more painless and NO it does not look soap-opera-like. Besides, in post there's a lot you can do with grading to make 30p look more cine-like.
This was the first breakdown video I watched from you and I am really impressed about the derivation!
As a german european i am used to 25 fps. But both speeds, 25 fps and 30 fps have the disadvantage of not being very divisible. I like to combine animations (cgi or handmade) with real footage and often divide seconds into fractions to synchronize e.g. acceleration or other motion sequences.
And for this the number 24 is virtually predestined - whether for halves, quarters or eighths.
OK, this is not a visual but a purely technical reason. But maybe also an aspect for the choice of speed :)
Cheers!
It's European vs US because of indoors light frequency is different in Europe than US, which comes from current frequency 50Hz - 24/25 fps doesn't cause flickering in Europe. And it's 60 Hz in US so 30 fps doesn't cause flickering in the US. But filming outside is a matter of choice, yes.
@@filmowewyprawy No, that has NOTHING to do with flickering. Flickering is all about shutter speed, not frame rate. It is not 24/25 fps that avoids flickering in Europe. It is the 1/50 shutter speed that usually goes along. You can use 30 fps with 1/50 shutter speed and won't have any flickering at all in Europe.
@@tomarse84 Each of those is something PER SECOND. 1 Hz is 1x/s. Framerate is per second. If they're not in sync, you're going to catch a flick in your movie. It's not that you can't set it up - 30fps in Europe. It's that that it's going to cause flickering in the movie. Well, unless your movie is under 1 second long ;)
@@tomarse84 thats not true. If you divide a 50Hz sine wave in 25/50/100 frames for example, you can set every possible shutter speed as every frame will always be exposed to the same total light intensity.
Its shutter speed OR frame rate wich have to match the mains frequency
@@Skullizer You're right, I've been mistaken. With 25/50/100 fps you can use every shutter speed, with 30 fps you have to stick to 1/50 or 1/100. Still worth the judderfree experience of 30 fps (viewed on 60 Hz screens).
You actually covered the thing that almost everybody ignores - the 2/3 pull down on the common 60hz monitor! Well down! GREAT VIDEO!!
Hi there! From Italy. I watched your video tests and definitely decide to switch to 30 fps on my GH5, also if in Europe we have 50Hz AC and not 60Hz as in the States. Most of the content we watch today is surely on 60hz devices. Thanks for your video.
I watched the 24fps and the 30fps videos side by side as you suggested and I liked the 30fps best overall, but the 24fps was more attractive with how smooth made the environment around your daughter in the shot inside the house. In my own taste 30fps > 24fps.
When I started vlogging I figured I would always do 24fps... the more videos I've made the more I've started shooting in 30fps For action and vloggin videos, panning even... 30fps also makes sense for people viewing on today's traditional displays since most are 60hz refresh rate displays. Unpopular opinion to many cinematic video peeps but I do find 30fps to be the perfect amount of smooth without losing motion blur.
I like and agree with everything you said but if i can get your opinion (not a debate) to educate me. I much prefer the film blur to go away and prefer sharper images. Why is it so important to film enthusiasts? People buy new tv's just so they can get a sharper image.
@@frankjoyce76 move your hand in front of your face back and forth. You'll notice your hand turns into a blur at high speeds. This is why people shoot at a shutter speed around 1/60th for 30fps to create a video that closely matches what the human eye sees. If capturing detail of moving objects and being less realistic is not a negative, you can shoot higher frame rates and shutter speeds. A caveat when you loose blur is you tend to also loose a sense of speed for the objects in your videos. A little blur is nice imo to make it feel natural.
@@alexvanderkooy i get it now.. thanks it makes sense.
Do you edit your 30fps footage on a 24 or 30 timeline?
@@johnyk2343 30fps timeline for 30fps footage otherwise you may as well just shoot at 24fps.
Thanks Jeven! Another "treasue" video from your cove. :) I'm just starting my motovlog channel and I think your videos alone raised the production value of my raw footage with like 20%. Keep it up! Also, that lil' girl is an angel. :)
I'm glad you also like 30fps. i do also because I shoot for news and 60ps gives me a damn headache. Recently started vlogging and 30fps looks gooood
yeah 60ps looks weird, so some videos in that and I didnt like it at all.
24fps gives me a headache because i am used to 240fps lol
60fps i the least acceptable framerate, the higher the better.
@@ERDude no its not, if its not in slow motion it looks really terrible.
Awesome video and valuable information. Great insight, I feel 24p is great for anything that's going to be a movie/film production (acting), and 30p would be ideal for documentary/vlog style, maybe look at it like anything when you're looking into the lens of the camera and talking to the camera/audience use 30p.
I have really been playing with over cranking, shooting 60P slowing 50% in a 30P timeline, shooting 30P slowing 80% in a 24P timeline, then last shooting 60P slowing 40% in a 24p Timeline.
In addition, speeding audio/music for pre shooting by using a little math, 1.5x shooting 60p slowing to 30p, 1.25x shooting 30p slowing to 24p, 2.5x shooting 60p slowing to 24p. This way the audio remains the original speed when the picture is slowed down.
Very important question. Fps anxiety is real man!
One of the best illustrations and explanations of the differences of those 2 frame rates out there! Yes, despite the definite increase in clarity and smoothness of 30fps, for those going for a more distant, poetic, melancholic feel like myself, 24fps is definitely the way to go! There is a reason the old folks in the 1930's decided on 24fps for the movies, and it wasn't just for ideal sound speed. Having done extensive comparisons, I must say, any faster than 24 or 25(European) fps gives the motion picture just a bit too sharp, "livey" feel for a dreamy cinema which evokes a poetic past. It's as if our eyes need to "fill in the blanks" of the greater space between frames of the lower speed rate, leaving more for the perceptual imagination. Thanks for the superb presentation!
Or try using a longer exposure.
I'm gonna go with 30fps. Feels smoother
I was thought I was lousing out on some motion blur by shooting in 30 but I'm happy this video cleared that up
So when comparing the two clips I kinda find the 30 fps has a more home video, amateur feel to it. Can't pin point why but everything feels a bit more jerky maybe.
This is a really good tip, thank you. I 'll prefer for panning or b-roll videos 30 and 60 fps. For lockdown tripod cinematic shots 24 fps is better i guess.
I remember in film school in the 90s we hated that all we had (non-film cameras) were SVHS cut they looked awful with 30fps. We found a way to get get European 25fps cameras (PAL) just to get a more 'cinematic' feel vs. 30fps. There was a company in LA who converted 30fps to 24fps. It's just odd that now some people want to go back to 30fps. I don't get it, it feels like video to me.
to me, 24fps looks really jerky, almost annoying. It's like watching a Charlie Chaplin movie or something
Easy. 24fps just looks plan bad. The 24fps to 60fps (most phone and monitors are natively 60fps) conversion looks jerky and juddery on motion and pans. Some die hards might be used to it, but, the rest of us who watch silky smooth 60fps see 24fps jerky, juddery, and just plain archaic.
Just remember, 24fps was selected as the standard 100years ago as an acceptable compromise between film use (film was very expensive at the time) and an acceptable 'suspension of disbelief', not because 24fps looks great, because it doesnt.
If you film in 60fps, as you should, and still wan the soft jerky juddery pans of 24fps, just add this in post.
Filming in 30fps is much better than 24fps, looks nearly as good as 60fps in most circumstances, and the conversion between 30fps and the typical 60fps display device, is vastly better than the 24 to 60fps conversion.
@@nordic5490 Films have been 24fps since the beginning of time. 24fps doesn't look "bad."
@@ronineditor9920 24fps totally looks bad on playback devices that don't use multiples of 24 as their rate of frame turnout, and most phones and personal computers have 60hz screens, not 48, 72 or 96. Even 20fps looks better than 24 on a 60hz screen, just because of smooth frame turnout pace.
@@igoresque I completely disagree that it looks bad. It's been 24 fps for almost 100 years and I think it looks great. Each to their own I guess.
Great info thank you! I started with 24fps because it seemed the correct way, but soon realised I love 30fps because it's crisper and smoother.. but that said, I shoot commercially and not actual films.
Nice breakdown 👍🏻
Yooo good to see you here! Love your vids
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Jeven you are one of the best Tubers on Drones out there for sure, I have learned a lot watching your videos Thanks Ike!
I've done my comparisons too and decided to stick to 30. To me, 24 looks kind of old.
That was a good point about 30fps. It's less jerky than 24 but not unreal like the higher frame rates. I'm switching to 30. It's just a shame to lose all the 24fps video clips.
These days it's 100% an issue with the Hz. I've been shocked that we've not seen consistently 120Hz monitors and televisions. It makes it all work, and it makes it all look so very much better. 24p displayed at 24p in a display or in a theatre that can do 24p is a beautiful thing. As is 48p and 60p and even 30p. When I shoot with the intent of it being properly screened, I choose 24p. Otherwise, we're all stuck in 30p or 60p world unless we want to deal with the issues you've described.
Thanks for sharing, using 24p and feeling good with that.
I film at 60 FPS and edit on a 30 FPS timeline. That way I can still get smooth 120 FPS when I want it. It looks good and is better than 24 FPS, to me.
Hey.
Do you have video I can watch about this? Is this cause problems in the 40 timeline, or all is ok?
Exactly, good approach for my projects as well ;-)
@Spider-Man, film all of your footage @ 60 fps, edit your video on 30 fps timeline and export it @ 30 fps as Jeven described. Filming at 60 fps allows you to use any of your footage @ 120 fps slow-mo without having to film specifically @ 120 fps.
Also, any footage you film @ 60 fps and slow down on a 30 fps timeline will look really smooth 30, 60 and 120 fps all mesh together perfectly. Filming @ 60 fps and editing at 30 fps gives your footage a smooth look without looking like home video footage.
Thanks, Jeven! I was debating this very thing yesterday. Went out and shot some footage at 24 (my standard), and 30. I think I may be changing my standard!
I shoot 30 and 60, I'll continue to shoot 30 because some of my cameras can't do 60
I said that for years. It depends on what type of video your shooting Cinema style or crisp video style. I never mix the two. The viewer can see this and it will lose its grip on the audience.
Great video. Thanks so much. I’ll share this.
Why do people say 24p and 30p instead of 24fps and 30fps?
Doesn't the "p" mean "progressive" as in 1080p vs 1080i?
It confuses my brain and I have to accept that when people are saying 24p they really mean to say 24fps (over and over again).
Good point.
Because 30p clearly says that the video is progressive-scan, 30fps does not.
Thank you for this video!
I'm probably not the first to report this, but by far the most important thing is to respect the refresh rate of the monitor that most of your audience will be watching the video on. For RUclips or other social media content, 99% of the time this will be a monitor set to 60Hz (PC, laptop, smartphone, tablet). That means you get the 3/2 pulldown when your content is 24p and THAT will be the biggest cause of the stutter (or actually JUDDER is the correct term) people experience. You only talk about this briefly at the end, but it is the 3/2 pulldown that is the problem: 60 is simply not divisible by 24... So the device will have to show some frames 3x in a row and others 2x simply to 'fit' 24 into 60. This is not ideal for panning and fast movements.
The 'test' you offer is therefore not fair: to really make a fair comparison, you first have to set your device to 24Hz to watch the 24p footage, and then switch your device back to 30hZ (or 60Hz, it doesn't matter that much ) to watch the 30 Hz footage afterwards (in Windows: Settings > Screen > Advanced)
I totally agree that a frame rate that is too high doesn't seem so cinematic: you want a bit of that 'dreamy' smoothness that you never get at 60fps or higher. But we also have to take into account the devices on which people watch your content, and then 30fps is a better choice in my view in almost all cases.
Us europeans : What is 30p? We got 25 over here :)
If you plan to show your videos through a TV broadcaster on a TV screen, yes, go for 25p. If you plan to show them through a computer or smart phone, they will ALL play them back at 30p/60p regardless of your footage frame rate.
@@jorgenbjerke Exactly. But there's the issue of flickering lights. As soon as you want to film something with artificial lights in 50Hz land, you really want to go with 50fps, IMHO. Not sure how to make this flickering go away in post.
@@fhajji My experience there is yes, you have som flickering, but not much IMHO.
@@fhajji i watched a video recently where this problem was discussed. he ended up recommending shooting with 30fps or 60fps cause smartphones and laptops have 60 hz monitors like jeven said in this video. and for the problem with the lights flickering he said try using 1/50 shutterpseed to compensate that. there wouldnt be much difference in motion blure using 1/50 instead of 1/60.
so 30 fps and 1/50 shutter speed or 60 fps and 1/100 shutter speed.
i didnt tried myself yet but i want to do in the next days
@@LouG2403 The flickering happens when the lights (including from monitors) flicker at a different rate than the shutter speed. The shutter is bound to capture moments when the lights are briefly off, because it is not exactly synchronized to the lights periodic flickering.
If the shutter speed is the same (or an integer multiple of) the lights flickering, you are guaranteed to capture the lights being always on (or always off), but not flickering.
Now, in 60 Hz land, every artificial light flickers at that frequency. If you shoot at 30fps or 60fps, you'll see no flickering. But if you shoot at 25fps or 50fps, you will. And vice-versa in 50 Hz land.
Sometimes, you will get flickering anyway, when lights are not hooked to the power grid, but are powered by a generator: for example, LEDs in buses and cars usually flicker, because these generators aren't exactly at 60 Hz (or 50 Hz), but something in-between, thus never meeting exactly the camera's shutter speed presets.
I saw a tutorial showing that to get rid of that in post, you can copy the entire clip, shift it one (1) frame forward or backward, and merge both copies into one. I have yet to try it.
Yes, I’ve been having some trouble with 24 fps and will try 30 instead. Good video, I’ve been following you for about 3 years now. Thank you
24 for cinema, 30 for video. I don’t get why people even have to think about this.
This is great!!!! Thumbs up 👍
Cinema means celluloid film, yes? I see the word cinema, and the word cinematic, used in discussing frame rates but I’m not at all clear what is meant. I’m guessing you mean that if making a movie to be shown in a cinema then use 24fps, if making a TV show or something for RUclips then use 30. Is that the gist of it?
I understand your point of view but isn’t as simple, I have to pull footage from previous shoots and sometimes use it for other stuff and if I’m editing 30 but the footage was 24 then the problem takes place, but I’m with you 30fps seems to be the sort of sweat spot and if I need 24 I think I can pull it off with the 30fps vs the other way around.
@@jpe1 It's more about how you want your video/film to FEEL. 24fps FEELS like it's a movie because that's what and how you've been experiencing movies all your life, they have all been shot and shown at 24fps. So when you make a video in 30fps and watch it, it will not have that movie-like FEEL or VIBE. 30fps is smoother so for vlogging, there can be advantages. HOWEVER, your vlog will not give off a "movie-like" (which is what ppl mean when they say the word "cinematic") vibe, but that's ok because vlogging isn't really a "movie". Vlogging is more in the documentary & news reporting category... and 30fps is actually what news channels and sports channels use, they aren't shooting and displaying their stuff in 24fps, which is why the news channel does not look "cinematic" or "movie-like".
@@saigonproducer that makes sense, thanks for the explanation. I hadn’t thought much about how expectations can influence the experience but of course they do.
Great video!
I'm now convinced to shoot and cut in 30 FPS :)
The only advantage of 24 for me is the option to shoot 30 FPS and slightly slowdown to 80%.
But the main point is the playback device: a huge amount of displays use 60 Hz refreshrate which doesn't devide evenly to 24, but to 30.
More and more displays refresh their screens with 120 Hz which makes it suitable for 30 AND 24 FPS. So maybe i will change my opinion about this in a couple of years.
But for now your video convinced me that i will not lose anything "cinematic" when going for 30 instead of 24. Especially as i'm a beginner with no ambition to make "big" film productions ;)
Well said.
How you still feeling about this matter, today?
7:46 it's not "cinematic quality" that you are recognising, that is the cinematic comprimise that you see when you watch a 24 fps FILM on a modern 60 hz monitor. "Cinematic Quality" is 100% incorrect term.
Great visually scientific analysis -- thanks for the thought-provoking comparisons. Looking now to compare 60fps versus 30 and 24 to use for different subjects. Thanks!!!
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@@JevenDovey While everyone else makes the 120fps ones, we'll rock the 30fps shirts. lol
Only just seen this. New to editing, your explanation is really clear but more importantly none biased! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I learned a lot from this video thanks, brother. I was experiencing some strange lag at 24fps after exporting. I attempted to be more cinematic for my Instagram/TikTok content but I'm sticking with 30-60 from now on.
Old video, but thanks for doing it. I've been thinking of switching from 30 to 24 for the low light help it gives, but it's waaaaay easier to keep that 30 fps and you give good enough arguments and examples, so THANKS FOR HELPING ME AVOID HEADACHE! ❤
Excellent tutorial! You said everything I felt but couldn't articulate. Thank you.
Great video. Thank you for clarifying this. I have been shooting 30fps for decades because most of what I do is for video/broadcast. I always assumed 24fps was for cinematic, but now, since I have cinema cameras, I may just shoot in 30fps regardless.
For most of the footage, it didn't seem to really matter a whole lot. But the opening shot, wow the 24 is hard to watch. I am ancient and have had many interests in my long life, but have never really taken an interest in photography. Recently I bought a mini 2 more out of interest in flying than filming. My wife is very young and she loves and deserves to be on camera. So I have realized I might as well improve the footage I get while I'm horsing around with this new toy. I don't know jack about shooting video and your ability to convey the intricacies understandably and interestingly is commendable. Thanks, you're really helping teach an old dog new tricks.
Hi Jeven - Good video explaining the difference between these two frame rates and the 180 degrees rule. I’ve always used 30 FPS but wondered if I should be using 24 FPS. Thanks for clearing that up.
Very good and detailed video. I think 24p can look better for the “cinematic” feel but overall I’m staying at 30.
Great vid. Thanks! I just switched to 24 for my 4k vlogs. I think I might go back to 30 after watching this.