Dual Native ISO has been an absolute game-changer for me as a wildlife enthusiast. I imagine it’s equally invaluable for wedding videographers, given the lighting challenges they face. I use a Panasonic S1 with Dual Native ISO, and I’m consistently impressed-4000 ISO looks fantastic, and I’m not hesitant to push it to 8000 when needed. At this point, I wouldn’t even consider a camera without that feature. It’s also one of the reasons I believe Full Frame cameras deserve all the praise they get.
Issue is that the "dual" magic kicking off at a specific is more noise reduction than a magic stop where it "just gets better". If there was a truly jump in iq at certain iso (like 8000 being better than 6400) that'd show up in raw photos too
Entertaining video. I have a few standouts: 6K: I must say I’m surprised to see both of you say 6K is overrated. For anyone that shoots anamorphic and needs to conform their footage to 16:9, having the extra resolution is a godsend. Raw: Since Canons only record 6K in raw, it gives a strong argument for raw recording… plus you can adjust detail in the raw footage.
And how many people are actually running Anamorphic lenses vs Spherical glass, for the amount of people who actually need higher than 4K there are a lot more wanting it. Thats why its overrated, doesn't mean its not useful for some instances, just like 100MP medium format photos, just not as many people should be valuing it so much.
They’re talking about their specific workflows and what they shoot for. You might need and appreciate 6k but for them, it’s not really a factor they consider important
Sure , but all an on board TC box actually does , is sync up the camera and TC box when you hit record , it's not taking over from the cameras crystal sync. And so with long takes it drifts . I ,like many, used to think the box TC will take over , but it doesn't , it's only syncing up at the beginning of each take. Only Gen lock with take over from the cameras TC.
People who don't care about dual cards just haven't (yet) gone through the trauma of losing an entire day's un-re-film-able work to a mystical card gremlin.
The features that are important depends somewhat on who you are and what type of photography you do. Mark said you can "get by without it" when referring to IBIS. You can get by without any of the features you mention. However, the better question might be, which of these features dramatically makes your results better or easier to obtain. In that case, any of those features could be dramatically underrated.
Gyroflow is so fast, works well as a plugin in Resolve, and has saved a bunch of my shots that weren't possible with the built-in stab algos. Sony Catalyst is the doodoo, like most of their software.
Yes, the problem is not gyro stabilisation it's Catalyst browse. With Gyroflow in Resolve it's much easier. (And you can use it for more serious stabilisation, but then you have to plan for it, and use higher shutter speed, to avoid those blurry lines. )
Having a card corrupt makes dual card slot INFINITELY valuable. Telling a client thats already paid that what you filmed, which cannot be done again, is gone is VERY NOT FUN
Genuinely surprised at the dual card slot response too. Knock on wood I’ve only had a card get corrupted on me once (and thankfully wasn’t on a client shoot) but knowing that things happen, knowing I have 2x a copy of anything vital is HUGE and for any camera I’d use professionally is an absolute deal breaker. I don’t know what if any shooting Gerald (still) does outside his YT channel so I can see how for him it’s overrated, but I think his indifference toward why it is absolutely critical for others to be very surprising.
I think Gerald is right and shoot mostly on single card camera and never had card issue ever (over 15years). Just get a good card and have a robust backup and card change system and you will be fine.
@@winngh yup. That's the same logic as "Well I've never been in a car accident. Only bad drivers get in accidents so we don't need to wear seat belts." The safety feature isn't for when everything's going right 🤗 I've heard this same argument from other shooters but like I said, having even 1 card corrupt will change your perspective, as will a single serious car accident. But I'm seriously happy for you that you haven't had to deal with it. I don't wish it on anyone
I think Full Frame is overrated in the sense that in the next 5 years you’ll be able to get very high quality super 35 cameras for ridiculously good prices, just because they’re not full frame, but the sensor quality itself is not worse. The thought that you can probably get an URSA mini 12k in 1 year for 2500.- is just mind blowing to me. I love the full frame look, but if your project doesn’t really require it, you’d maybe better invest in lenses or lighting or set design or talent. And the point that so many good and beautiful movies were shot on super 35 is completely valid I think. It really reminds you that the reason your movies are not as good, is not because you can’t afford the full frame sensor, but because you don’t put enough focus on what’s in front of the camera. And it obviously depends on what kind of work you do. If you do client work it’s surely worth having a full frame, for having the flexibility for different requirements.
So true! I just picked up an Fs7 for $900 CAD + a Canon FD 35-105 f3.5 ($120) on an $80 AliExpress speed booster, really hard to justify an fx6 when i have little interest in auto focus.
19:00 A basic issue with digital stabilization is that it does not solve movement blur. If a camera is shaking around while the shutter is open, each pixel is a mix of what's moving across it, and that blurry mix still remains when the scene is "stopped" from moving.
you can shoot higher shutter speeds to avoid that, of course it will change the texture of the image a bit, but seems to work really well for stationary subjects
14 stops is objectively overrated, because no matter what they say on specs. Once everything that affects the sensor is considered, currently, no camera is going past, I believe it's 12 stops. Have a look into, I was also surprised
you need telecentric or near telecentric lens design for proper internal ND that do not degrade quality especially on edge, for example Sony EF mount by definition cannot cover it for FF lens (last lens diameter must be bigger than sensor).
oh, this is fun. I think proxy recording is huge though, for a crewed set at least... first, to put together dailies with a lut and aspect ratio or even desqueeze burned in already saves a ton of time, esp. at the end of a long day. second - being able to give that footage to the editor/director so that they're looking at mostly colored footage and not staring at log during the edit. Third - the small files are so much easier to upload/download to get footage to the editor quicker if they're not on set. I don't think I would get another main camera without it.
@19:35, best way to make zooms smooth is start close and move away, then reverse in post. It's so much easier to keep everything framed up. Obviously it only works if the talent doing the actuon backwards doesn't look odd.
Global shutter. For video, yes, for photos it's a different story. For commercial work, lets say sportsteams it is worth millions if you can see the LED signings of sponsors on photos. For that alone it is highly underrated.
Gyro Stability in Resolve for BRAW takes seconds. I'm hopeful that if BRAW comes to the FX3 as well, they'll let us stabilise Gyro within Resolve as well.
On the gyro stabilisation, Sony have now got a plug-in for Premier and DaVinci and whilst it’s not perfect, it’s so much better than using Catalyst Browse or Prepare. The other issue was that you couldn’t export the finished stabilised footage in the same format, it was always downgraded, particularly if it was an 8K video.
If you have a mini xlr port giving you poor quality audio it is absolutely 100% guaranteed not because the socket is mini xlr. Something else in the chain is causing that problem. I’ve never used a camera with mini xlrs but I have used countless xlr devices and other balanced audio devices with other connectors and it makes no difference, unless the actual component is broken or of very poor quality.
Gyro data is defiantly not overrated. You don't have turnoff ibis anymore for to work properl. And with the gyroflow plugin for davinci and other editors the workflow is very easy and fast.
Gyro Metadata stabilization is highly useful for fpv cinelifting. I don't use it for any ground shots but anything w fpv drones and a mirroless/cinema cam it's absolutely necessary and mostly unusable without it.
Dual recording and proxy recording are both linked for eaiser transfer files to client. You can just give the person the card or transfer the proxy file for quick overview of the footage. Either way you still have the files in other card that you can take home. Or many times you have second shooter work for you. You just give one card to him. And he can give back to you at end of shooting and he still has a copy of it in another card. This is super useful. Not for safty of my own recording but much more on how convenient to deal with file transfer.
Gyro Stabilization is a good send and particularly good when used in conjunction with a gimbal for creating rock solid footage. It’s simply better than any other way of doing it
*Symetrical* (same card type, same resolution, same bit-depth) dual card recording is very underrated-particularly for commercial work which involves talent and time sensitivity. You can spend a dozen years or more building a reputation for quality work and it can all blow up in an instant with one card that goes bad in the middle of a shoot. Having margins of safety both in the physical set and in data management are ignored at one’s professional peril.
The very first item, dual card recording shows clearly that Gerald is not a professional shooter and just a RUclipsr. I'm glad Mark gave a perfect example from the point of view of someone that makes money from filming.
I don’t think it’s about the RUclipsr in Gerald but more of being a single one man band. I prefer dual slot for piece of mind but to Marks point, its when there’s multiple hands touching things that accidents can happen and anyone in a professional environment will shooting full redundant. In today’s world any professional camera has dual slots anyways.
Depends on your line of work. The R5C will deliver you the better footage, but the FX3 is slightly more flexible. If you're shooting on controlled environments with a crew, 8K Internal RAW from the R5C is a must, the FX3 doesn't even come close to it. If you're a solo shooter who needs great quality footage but also flexibility, go for the FX3.
@@joaocorreiamedia honestly, I don't really care about 8K RAW. I won't be using it. And on the projects I decide to use 8K, R5C won't be my main camera. But yeah, flexibility is something I am concerned about. R5C weird dual card slot, plus battery life are something I am concerned about. Also, I feel that FX3's autofocus tends to work better in some situations...it sticks better. I am inclined towards FX3. But the Canon fan in me can't seem to let go of the Canon colors.
@@niveshlallfilms I'd say the FX3 is the better option for you. I have a Blackmagic 6K G2, but for some run n gun projects where I need gimbal shots and I have little time to shoot, it's cumbersome to mount the gimbal and then rig up the whole thing again to shoot a few handheld shots, hence why I'm looking for an FX3 to add to my gear list as well.
Mark and Gerald, this was a really good video, a great way to get different perspectives. I wish you’d included SLog 3 and a muppet amateur but I think it’s overrated when you can shoot HLG3. I’d love you to do a video on the pros and cons of each. Thank you for the video boys.
Like you guys touched on in the video, the things you film and the way you film them largely determines the features that matter to you. I think including someone from the VFX world (such as Corridor Digital) would be really interesting as some of the features you guys thought were overrated would be underrated from a modern VFX perspective.
It’s def in Gerald’s video. I think one of the first topics
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7:20 i filmed so many Bands and Gigs, and weddings and since Strobes are always a thing they just look natural an not that annoying with global shutter just like flickering of led lights etc. AND global shutter will mean someday that we do not need a mechanical shutter anymore ... once quality is good enough this will change soooo much... the first time since leaf shutter we can use flashes at all sync speed with most output etc. this is wonderful!
For me a super35 camera is simply a better choice because it's either this or no camera at all. I'm still saving for a super35 camera and I can't yet afford, not to even mention anything full frame. Although in a professional scenario, I guess a full frame is the better choice.
Awesome. This video makes me feel good about the fact that I'm still shooting with the original Panasonic s5. I just feel like all of the upgrades of the cameras that I would grab have features that are so overrated for me. The fact that my workflow has nothing that would include autofocus helps, but I know that's unique to most people. And so other than autofocus, and I guess time code if I was working with other people, I feel like the S5 is an incredibly underrated camera. :-) and I don't even need time code, I often shoot with a gh5 along with my s5, and clapping my hands is my friend. :-)
When talking about video, the only important feature is to me is interest. Was it interesting? If so, I don’t care about any of these enhancements. A decent picture will suffice. Noise, dynamic range, bit depth and resolution are a distant second to content interest factors.
oh man, in camera proxy recording is such a time saver! one less step in your post work flow! especially on bigger projects with hundreds or thousands of shots.
My opinion on full frame really changed when i realized that movies shot on 35mm film are basically never full frame. So i guess if you're serious about wanting to get that kinda look then you shouldn't use full frame. It's probably also better for if you wanna do deep focus stuff. That said, if you have any kind of budget then full frame is very doable and it does have a lot of image quality advantages.
As much as I liked the video I thought there was a lot pooping on the Blackmagic cameras. Downing 12 bit and raw and 6k internal and even mentioning the mini xlrs on the Pyxis as a negative idk kinda weird too me
Gyro with BMD cameras couldn't be more streamlined, automatically recorded in the file, just click stabilize with camera gyro in the inspector in resolve, as you would with a normal stab and it's done
You don't have 3 extra lenses if shooting ff and only have 3 lenses. You will always have the same focal lengths with the same characteristics. Punching in doesn't change that
biggest advantage of full frame is lens selection. s35 just does not have zoom lenses with 2.8 equivalent, now ff even has f2 zoom lenses. also cinema lenses, anamorphic... that is reason no 1 for me
~ 2x times bigger vs 1.6 crop (1.6*1.6), ~1.6 (sqrt(N)) less noise if all other factors same, less noise mean deeper more true colors especially in mid and shadow tones. Deep juicy true colors is only what make image "cinematic" vs fake software NR atrifiical crp.
@AABB-px8lc well, sensor of c70 is better than sensor of canon rp in all those aspects. So it is mostly true bit there are some amazing cp sensors out there
I don’t understand why you need to do math on set when shooting s35. A 35mm is still a 35mm no matter what cam you put it on. You only have to do the math if you’re ALSO shooting with a FF cam on the same set.
Much inconsistency. 6K underated then telling he prefer FF over S35 for crop. IBIS underated then telling he use gyro data for post IS (that crop on the image)
Neither of them use Gyro, they both admitted it's overrated. Also, there's more advantages to full frame than 6k, they were referring to the lens crop, not resolution crop.
I have only once in 15 years had a card corrupt while shooting stills, and that was definitely my fault. As far as video? Ya dual cards are important and bit me in the ass once when I forgot to finalize an hour long recording before shutting off the camera....dual slots Were not a consideration when I bought my a7cii but it was a consideration when I purchased my fx3
I find this rather funny because Mark Bone ACTUALLY shoots for jobs; Undone doesn't do that at all. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen anything of his outside RUclips.
Yes and both fields are equally legitimate, infact there is a much larger audience of "Content Creators" who are just making content at home for their personal channel and have never been hired for a gig in their life. Having opinions from both is valuable, as they both mentioned in the video.
@@GParamonov If you say so. I do agree the distribution can be similar, but the content is not. Undone is simply a camera and lens reviewer with no real content that changes the world in any way shape or form other than attempting to be objective in his reviews. Each to their own.
FF is definitely overrated. For sure! You know how many people tell me I can’t be a pro because I don’t use FF. Every RUclipsr uses FF. That’s all we talk about.
@@markbone Dan is not mainstream. He lives north of Vancouver in Squamish, B.C. He has documentaries and is listed on Imdb Into the Fire (2011). I believe him to be a native Canadian.
I have a question. In your thumbnail you have red x’s on the Panasonic and Pyxis, why? I am a newer filmmaker and my finances said either Pyxis, FX30, or Fuji. Pyxis checked the most boxes because of immediately available cinema tools like false color, frame guides, anamorphic settings, and a very quick and easy menu to read and make changes. In many filmmaking communities that call themselves “supportive” always talk down to me because they have reds and Sonys or canons but I have a Pyxis. Why am I less of filmmakers because of my camera and why do you have red x’s on cameras that’s actually really good and fun to work with? That sort of imagery while short, sends a lot of nonverbal messages and it makes me not want to sub to this channel anymore because the whole brand loyalty and disrespect is abundant and abundantly stupid. Idk, it seems disingenuous. Have your favorite brand. But don’t look down on my because my camera is different from yours.
These are all just opinions, my friend. You can buy any camera you want and it doesn’t matter what anyone says about it. The best camera you can use is the one that’s in your hand. Whether that’s a GoPro 2 or an Alexa35 that you’re using, the story you’re telling always comes first. Don’t stress about what any RUclipsr, like me, has to say about the camera you own or you want to own. The image at the end of the day doesn’t matter if the story doesn’t land.
@ if that’s what you believe, then why the thumbnail? That’s my question. It doesn’t matter. It’s exactly as you said. I’m over listening to RUclips filmmakers and “supportive” communities.
Keep an eye out for Gerald's sequel to this video releasing on his channel Dec 2nd.
Ahhh. That explains the No Clicky option.
Don't forget to add DGO as a one of the segments!
Haven’t finished the video but I hope SD vs CFExpress is covered.
@@Kennygshoots no they haven't covered it. Depending on what people do, I think SSD recording is the way to go
@@71-FilmsI’m on the fence of c70 or c80 but…I don’t get why they didn’t keep the CFExpress option. Size? Sure but still
Dual Native ISO has been an absolute game-changer for me as a wildlife enthusiast. I imagine it’s equally invaluable for wedding videographers, given the lighting challenges they face. I use a Panasonic S1 with Dual Native ISO, and I’m consistently impressed-4000 ISO looks fantastic, and I’m not hesitant to push it to 8000 when needed. At this point, I wouldn’t even consider a camera without that feature. It’s also one of the reasons I believe Full Frame cameras deserve all the praise they get.
Issue is that the "dual" magic kicking off at a specific is more noise reduction than a magic stop where it "just gets better". If there was a truly jump in iq at certain iso (like 8000 being better than 6400) that'd show up in raw photos too
Cache recording!!! (Pre record) Underrated. Also 240p Underrated!
sounds like a Fs700 user
Entertaining video. I have a few standouts:
6K: I must say I’m surprised to see both of you say 6K is overrated. For anyone that shoots anamorphic and needs to conform their footage to 16:9, having the extra resolution is a godsend.
Raw: Since Canons only record 6K in raw, it gives a strong argument for raw recording… plus you can adjust detail in the raw footage.
Agree 100% 6K saved a entire sequence from a film I shot in 2022.
And how many people are actually running Anamorphic lenses vs Spherical glass, for the amount of people who actually need higher than 4K there are a lot more wanting it. Thats why its overrated, doesn't mean its not useful for some instances, just like 100MP medium format photos, just not as many people should be valuing it so much.
They’re talking about their specific workflows and what they shoot for. You might need and appreciate 6k but for them, it’s not really a factor they consider important
@@GParamonovThis ☝🏿
2K, 2.5K, and 4K is pretty much the industry standard. Anything beyond is relatively niche in an already very niche market.
@@GParamonov I do shoot in 6K Open Gate all the time. The zoomability / scalability in post is just stunning.
16:20 We switched from R5 to R5Cs as B-Cams just for the timecode. (Also use C70s and Tentacles.) Great video, btw.
Timecode. I can’t go without it
Great video! Just wanted to say that 2001 was shot on Mitchell BFC 70mm cameras so it's not an example of 35mm.
I do love that film.
Sound mixer here, timecode not overrated 🥺
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Sure , but all an on board TC box actually does , is sync up the camera and TC box when you hit record , it's not taking over from the cameras crystal sync. And so with long takes it drifts . I ,like many, used to think the box TC will take over , but it doesn't , it's only syncing up at the beginning of each take. Only Gen lock with take over from the cameras TC.
Internal ND filters - definately underrated.
Mark + Gerald. The collab we never knew we needed🔥
People who don't care about dual cards just haven't (yet) gone through the trauma of losing an entire day's un-re-film-able work to a mystical card gremlin.
Full HDMI - heavily underrated!! 😄
The features that are important depends somewhat on who you are and what type of photography you do.
Mark said you can "get by without it" when referring to IBIS. You can get by without any of the features you mention. However, the better question might be, which of these features dramatically makes your results better or easier to obtain. In that case, any of those features could be dramatically underrated.
Overrated: "netflix approved". 99% of the people who bring this up about a camera will never work for Netflix anyway.
Gyroflow is so fast, works well as a plugin in Resolve, and has saved a bunch of my shots that weren't possible with the built-in stab algos. Sony Catalyst is the doodoo, like most of their software.
Yes, the problem is not gyro stabilisation it's Catalyst browse. With Gyroflow in Resolve it's much easier.
(And you can use it for more serious stabilisation, but then you have to plan for it, and use higher shutter speed, to avoid those blurry lines. )
Having a card corrupt makes dual card slot INFINITELY valuable. Telling a client thats already paid that what you filmed, which cannot be done again, is gone is VERY NOT FUN
Genuinely surprised at the dual card slot response too. Knock on wood I’ve only had a card get corrupted on me once (and thankfully wasn’t on a client shoot) but knowing that things happen, knowing I have 2x a copy of anything vital is HUGE and for any camera I’d use professionally is an absolute deal breaker. I don’t know what if any shooting Gerald (still) does outside his YT channel so I can see how for him it’s overrated, but I think his indifference toward why it is absolutely critical for others to be very surprising.
I think Gerald is right and shoot mostly on single card camera and never had card issue ever (over 15years).
Just get a good card and have a robust backup and card change system and you will be fine.
@@winngh yup. That's the same logic as "Well I've never been in a car accident. Only bad drivers get in accidents so we don't need to wear seat belts."
The safety feature isn't for when everything's going right 🤗
I've heard this same argument from other shooters but like I said, having even 1 card corrupt will change your perspective, as will a single serious car accident.
But I'm seriously happy for you that you haven't had to deal with it. I don't wish it on anyone
@@winngh memorycards fail. It is not a question of if, but when. As someone who works in a camerastore and dealing with failed cards.
I think Full Frame is overrated in the sense that in the next 5 years you’ll be able to get very high quality super 35 cameras for ridiculously good prices, just because they’re not full frame, but the sensor quality itself is not worse.
The thought that you can probably get an URSA mini 12k in 1 year for 2500.- is just mind blowing to me.
I love the full frame look, but if your project doesn’t really require it, you’d maybe better invest in lenses or lighting or set design or talent.
And the point that so many good and beautiful movies were shot on super 35 is completely valid I think. It really reminds you that the reason your movies are not as good, is not because you can’t afford the full frame sensor, but because you don’t put enough focus on what’s in front of the camera.
And it obviously depends on what kind of work you do. If you do client work it’s surely worth having a full frame, for having the flexibility for different requirements.
So true! I just picked up an Fs7 for $900 CAD + a Canon FD 35-105 f3.5 ($120) on an $80 AliExpress speed booster, really hard to justify an fx6 when i have little interest in auto focus.
If you mostly shoot in 24/25/30 then yes, full frame is overrated, if not, its underrated
@@JojoJoget can you elaborate on this?
@@JoshSher_ I think they mean its easier to get ultrawide FOVs on FF because of lens availability.
19:00 A basic issue with digital stabilization is that it does not solve movement blur. If a camera is shaking around while the shutter is open, each pixel is a mix of what's moving across it, and that blurry mix still remains when the scene is "stopped" from moving.
you can shoot higher shutter speeds to avoid that, of course it will change the texture of the image a bit, but seems to work really well for stationary subjects
That’s why you use it at high shutter speeds but that introduces other problems
14 stops is objectively overrated, because no matter what they say on specs. Once everything that affects the sensor is considered, currently, no camera is going past, I believe it's 12 stops. Have a look into, I was also surprised
Fully agree about LUT support being underrated. It’s my biggest gripe about my DJI Mavic 3.
Love this collab
The most underrated is internal NDs.
you need telecentric or near telecentric lens design for proper internal ND that do not degrade quality especially on edge, for example Sony EF mount by definition cannot cover it for FF lens (last lens diameter must be bigger than sensor).
oh, this is fun. I think proxy recording is huge though, for a crewed set at least... first, to put together dailies with a lut and aspect ratio or even desqueeze burned in already saves a ton of time, esp. at the end of a long day. second - being able to give that footage to the editor/director so that they're looking at mostly colored footage and not staring at log during the edit. Third - the small files are so much easier to upload/download to get footage to the editor quicker if they're not on set. I don't think I would get another main camera without it.
@19:35, best way to make zooms smooth is start close and move away, then reverse in post. It's so much easier to keep everything framed up. Obviously it only works if the talent doing the actuon backwards doesn't look odd.
Global shutter. For video, yes, for photos it's a different story. For commercial work, lets say sportsteams it is worth millions if you can see the LED signings of sponsors on photos. For that alone it is highly underrated.
6K is underrated.
Definitely. I strongly disagree with them in this very question. 6K has a LOT more detail than oversampled 4K.
The fact that I get to now go watch another video with you two legends, is highly underrated 🤙
Gyro Stability in Resolve for BRAW takes seconds. I'm hopeful that if BRAW comes to the FX3 as well, they'll let us stabilise Gyro within Resolve as well.
On the gyro stabilisation, Sony have now got a plug-in for Premier and DaVinci and whilst it’s not perfect, it’s so much better than using Catalyst Browse or Prepare. The other issue was that you couldn’t export the finished stabilised footage in the same format, it was always downgraded, particularly if it was an 8K video.
Sub 10ms rolling shutter just looks more solid. Even if you can't see it, there's a quality about it that makes the footage look more confident.
Dual slot recording for the win, always!
a mark bone and Gerald undone collab was not on my bucket list but im here for it. love this.
If you have a mini xlr port giving you poor quality audio it is absolutely 100% guaranteed not because the socket is mini xlr. Something else in the chain is causing that problem. I’ve never used a camera with mini xlrs but I have used countless xlr devices and other balanced audio devices with other connectors and it makes no difference, unless the actual component is broken or of very poor quality.
Electronic Variable ND? Man, that has been a massive upgrade for shooting.
This would’ve been a great feature to talk about
Gyro data is defiantly not overrated. You don't have turnoff ibis anymore for to work properl. And with the gyroflow plugin for davinci and other editors the workflow is very easy and fast.
Gyro Metadata stabilization is highly useful for fpv cinelifting. I don't use it for any ground shots but anything w fpv drones and a mirroless/cinema cam it's absolutely necessary and mostly unusable without it.
damn, wasnt expecting a sneak peek to cbums doc
Thanks Gerald and Mark. I enjoyed hearing both your perspectives. Great collaboration!
Dual recording and proxy recording are both linked for eaiser transfer files to client. You can just give the person the card or transfer the proxy file for quick overview of the footage. Either way you still have the files in other card that you can take home. Or many times you have second shooter work for you. You just give one card to him. And he can give back to you at end of shooting and he still has a copy of it in another card. This is super useful. Not for safty of my own recording but much more on how convenient to deal with file transfer.
I'm suprised you guys didn't coved internal NDs! 😮 Really enjoyed this.
Gyro Stabilization is a good send and particularly good when used in conjunction with a gimbal for creating rock solid footage. It’s simply better than any other way of doing it
*Symetrical* (same card type, same resolution, same bit-depth) dual card recording is very underrated-particularly for commercial work which involves talent and time sensitivity. You can spend a dozen years or more building a reputation for quality work and it can all blow up in an instant with one card that goes bad in the middle of a shoot. Having margins of safety both in the physical set and in data management are ignored at one’s professional peril.
The very first item, dual card recording shows clearly that Gerald is not a professional shooter and just a RUclipsr. I'm glad Mark gave a perfect example from the point of view of someone that makes money from filming.
Gerald makes money from it lol
I don’t think it’s about the RUclipsr in Gerald but more of being a single one man band. I prefer dual slot for piece of mind but to Marks point, its when there’s multiple hands touching things that accidents can happen and anyone in a professional environment will shooting full redundant.
In today’s world any professional camera has dual slots anyways.
Best collab ever
I thought this was a gerald undone video haha! Love this collab!
FOOLED YOU
I laughed out loud at Mark B being sponsored by Sony and rating Sony cameras against other brands. Seriously dude, get a f.....g grip
Hey, I am stuck in deciding between R5C and FX3 and this video gave me a certain level of perspective. Thank you so much.
Fx3
Depends on your line of work. The R5C will deliver you the better footage, but the FX3 is slightly more flexible. If you're shooting on controlled environments with a crew, 8K Internal RAW from the R5C is a must, the FX3 doesn't even come close to it. If you're a solo shooter who needs great quality footage but also flexibility, go for the FX3.
@@joaocorreiamedia honestly, I don't really care about 8K RAW. I won't be using it. And on the projects I decide to use 8K, R5C won't be my main camera. But yeah, flexibility is something I am concerned about. R5C weird dual card slot, plus battery life are something I am concerned about. Also, I feel that FX3's autofocus tends to work better in some situations...it sticks better. I am inclined towards FX3. But the Canon fan in me can't seem to let go of the Canon colors.
@@niveshlallfilms What about the C80 or do you need the small size of fx3?
@@niveshlallfilms I'd say the FX3 is the better option for you. I have a Blackmagic 6K G2, but for some run n gun projects where I need gimbal shots and I have little time to shoot, it's cumbersome to mount the gimbal and then rig up the whole thing again to shoot a few handheld shots, hence why I'm looking for an FX3 to add to my gear list as well.
Mark and Gerald, this was a really good video, a great way to get different perspectives. I wish you’d included SLog 3 and a muppet amateur but I think it’s overrated when you can shoot HLG3. I’d love you to do a video on the pros and cons of each. Thank you for the video boys.
A 35 is a 35 in super35. Full frame fov is just an arbiteary standard we chose. Full frame is very overrated
Zoom recorders drift
Like you guys touched on in the video, the things you film and the way you film them largely determines the features that matter to you. I think including someone from the VFX world (such as Corridor Digital) would be really interesting as some of the features you guys thought were overrated would be underrated from a modern VFX perspective.
i was hoping you'd hit 32-bit floating point audio but that just means i'm looking forward to "round 2" of even hotter takes lol
It’s def in Gerald’s video. I think one of the first topics
7:20 i filmed so many Bands and Gigs, and weddings and since Strobes are always a thing they just look natural an not that annoying with global shutter just like flickering of led lights etc. AND global shutter will mean someday that we do not need a mechanical shutter anymore ... once quality is good enough this will change soooo much... the first time since leaf shutter we can use flashes at all sync speed with most output etc. this is wonderful!
Y’all… If you shoot on Blackmagic and edit in DaVinci, then 12 bit RAW & Gyro Stabilization are not overrated. :)
I don't do any of those... but they sound amazing
5:24 @markbone you can’t crop into S35 in your loved FX6 in 4K
For me a super35 camera is simply a better choice because it's either this or no camera at all. I'm still saving for a super35 camera and I can't yet afford, not to even mention anything full frame. Although in a professional scenario, I guess a full frame is the better choice.
Man its good to see you guys. Great vid
Loved this video! Super fun to watch
Awesome. This video makes me feel good about the fact that I'm still shooting with the original Panasonic s5. I just feel like all of the upgrades of the cameras that I would grab have features that are so overrated for me. The fact that my workflow has nothing that would include autofocus helps, but I know that's unique to most people. And so other than autofocus, and I guess time code if I was working with other people, I feel like the S5 is an incredibly underrated camera. :-) and I don't even need time code, I often shoot with a gh5 along with my s5, and clapping my hands is my friend. :-)
When talking about video, the only important feature is to me is interest. Was it interesting? If so, I don’t care about any of these enhancements. A decent picture will suffice. Noise, dynamic range, bit depth and resolution are a distant second to content interest factors.
7:38 I can tell you guys no nothing about shooting to say global shutter is overrated
Everyone in Toronto is secretly a documentary filmmaker or a RUclipsr making tutorials for them I guess.
10:23 I see what you did there, MARK😄
Well played
oh man, in camera proxy recording is such a time saver! one less step in your post work flow! especially on bigger projects with hundreds or thousands of shots.
AOD... Underrated!
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Basically, we want our cameras to have everything!
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My opinion on full frame really changed when i realized that movies shot on 35mm film are basically never full frame. So i guess if you're serious about wanting to get that kinda look then you shouldn't use full frame. It's probably also better for if you wanna do deep focus stuff. That said, if you have any kind of budget then full frame is very doable and it does have a lot of image quality advantages.
I always forget that Gerald is a Giant until he’s on set with another person.
6K is nice for punch in in post.
As much as I liked the video I thought there was a lot pooping on the Blackmagic cameras. Downing 12 bit and raw and 6k internal and even mentioning the mini xlrs on the Pyxis as a negative idk kinda weird too me
11:22 would love to see some side by sides of internal Raw vs internal 10bit on these cameras, like the Canons or Nikons
Gyro with BMD cameras couldn't be more streamlined, automatically recorded in the file, just click stabilize with camera gyro in the inspector in resolve, as you would with a normal stab and it's done
You don't have 3 extra lenses if shooting ff and only have 3 lenses. You will always have the same focal lengths with the same characteristics. Punching in doesn't change that
Yeah. It doesn’t give you extra focal lengths just as cropping in post doesn’t
Camera features are highly subjective. Only a sith speaks in absolutes.
Nice Jeff Nippard Shout out
Sometimes you image...What If? Welp here's one!
biggest advantage of full frame is lens selection. s35 just does not have zoom lenses with 2.8 equivalent, now ff even has f2 zoom lenses. also cinema lenses, anamorphic... that is reason no 1 for me
~ 2x times bigger vs 1.6 crop (1.6*1.6), ~1.6 (sqrt(N)) less noise if all other factors same, less noise mean deeper more true colors especially in mid and shadow tones. Deep juicy true colors is only what make image "cinematic" vs fake software NR atrifiical crp.
@AABB-px8lc well, sensor of c70 is better than sensor of canon rp in all those aspects. So it is mostly true bit there are some amazing cp sensors out there
I don’t understand why you need to do math on set when shooting s35. A 35mm is still a 35mm no matter what cam you put it on. You only have to do the math if you’re ALSO shooting with a FF cam on the same set.
what about micro vs full size hdmi
Yeah but true RAW on Red cameras is super super super useful.
You can reduce rolling shutter lot with catalyst browse. 🤔 Even zv-e10 looks good with it.
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I can’t actually tell if I’m viewing full frame or small sensor footage.
Much inconsistency. 6K underated then telling he prefer FF over S35 for crop. IBIS underated then telling he use gyro data for post IS (that crop on the image)
its called a discussion - I appreciate the details
Neither of them use Gyro, they both admitted it's overrated. Also, there's more advantages to full frame than 6k, they were referring to the lens crop, not resolution crop.
The argument that having ibis means you suck when you don't have it is an odd one 😂 could use that on all the features.
Here for the Jeff Nippard mention
What about 32bit audio recording? Overrated or underrated?
This is the next best collab out of Canada since drake and the weeknd 🔥
I have only once in 15 years had a card corrupt while shooting stills, and that was definitely my fault. As far as video? Ya dual cards are important and bit me in the ass once when I forgot to finalize an hour long recording before shutting off the camera....dual slots Were not a consideration when I bought my a7cii but it was a consideration when I purchased my fx3
If only black magic implemented autofocus it’s a win for me
Is it cold or hot in the studio?
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CANADA STAND UP 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
I find this rather funny because Mark Bone ACTUALLY shoots for jobs; Undone doesn't do that at all. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen anything of his outside RUclips.
Yes and both fields are equally legitimate, infact there is a much larger audience of "Content Creators" who are just making content at home for their personal channel and have never been hired for a gig in their life. Having opinions from both is valuable, as they both mentioned in the video.
@@GParamonov If you say so. I do agree the distribution can be similar, but the content is not. Undone is simply a camera and lens reviewer with no real content that changes the world in any way shape or form other than attempting to be objective in his reviews. Each to their own.
You dont have magnetic IBIS?! lol
6K 12 bits (Lumix S5 + Atomos Ninja V) They saved an entire sequence from a film that was shot in 2022. I vote for 6K is underrated.
wait.... so what is magnetic IBIS??
dunno... I was hoping Gerald knew
FF is definitely overrated. For sure! You know how many people tell me I can’t be a pro because I don’t use FF.
Every RUclipsr uses FF. That’s all we talk about.
I love FF. Till I die.
@ 😂 ok I definitely do too Don’t give me wrong. I just think it’s overrated.
How good it is to see two people debating different points of view without having to fight or raise their voices!
tell that to S35 fans lol.
@@markbone lol
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Mr Sony is visiting
Great video. Another Canadian I am subscribed to is Dan Dicks of Press For Truth.
all of youtube is canada. it's a fact. no creator on youtube is not canadian. don't be fooled what mainstream media says otherwise
@@markbone😭😭😭😭 the Canadian take over!!!
@@markbone Dan is not mainstream. He lives north of Vancouver in Squamish, B.C. He has documentaries and is listed on Imdb Into the Fire (2011). I believe him to be a native Canadian.
Bros working with c bum and is so casual about it 🙂↕️
I have a question. In your thumbnail you have red x’s on the Panasonic and Pyxis, why? I am a newer filmmaker and my finances said either Pyxis, FX30, or Fuji. Pyxis checked the most boxes because of immediately available cinema tools like false color, frame guides, anamorphic settings, and a very quick and easy menu to read and make changes. In many filmmaking communities that call themselves “supportive” always talk down to me because they have reds and Sonys or canons but I have a Pyxis. Why am I less of filmmakers because of my camera and why do you have red x’s on cameras that’s actually really good and fun to work with? That sort of imagery while short, sends a lot of nonverbal messages and it makes me not want to sub to this channel anymore because the whole brand loyalty and disrespect is abundant and abundantly stupid. Idk, it seems disingenuous. Have your favorite brand. But don’t look down on my because my camera is different from yours.
These are all just opinions, my friend. You can buy any camera you want and it doesn’t matter what anyone says about it. The best camera you can use is the one that’s in your hand. Whether that’s a GoPro 2 or an Alexa35 that you’re using, the story you’re telling always comes first. Don’t stress about what any RUclipsr, like me, has to say about the camera you own or you want to own. The image at the end of the day doesn’t matter if the story doesn’t land.
@ if that’s what you believe, then why the thumbnail? That’s my question. It doesn’t matter. It’s exactly as you said. I’m over listening to RUclips filmmakers and “supportive” communities.