NO CARDS, NO HOPE! Legacy Dimir Extraction Mill Control. Surgical, Extirpate, Court of Cunning MTG
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- I play a Magic the Gathering Online Legacy league with Dimir Extraction Mill Control, a deck from Patreon subscriber InsertName! I've played some variations on this theme before, but now it's back meaner than ever with Court of Grace serving and a Surgical Extraction/Extirpate enabler AND win condition all at once! Your opponent will have no threats, then no cards, and no hope! MTG
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0:00 Intro
0:52 Deck Tech
6:42 Round 1
25:35 Round 2
43:54 Round 3
47:40 Round 4
57:54 Round 5
1:19:40 Final Thoughts
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20:32 You could Snapcaster during their upkeep before they can draw Pyroblast, then Extirpate during the draw step.
One small play pattern I don't think you really ever caught on to is that waiting until they draw to Surgical often isn't better in this deck, specifically against blue decks. You're opening yourself up to them drawing a force, but much more importantly a Brainstorm. At a time like 8:02 its much better to just do it on your turn. The fact that they are tapped out means its much better against the various taxing counterspells in the format, you don't give them an opportunity to draw force to protect their DRCs in hand, and as ended up happening it opens up Brainstorm not only to get a free shuffle, but remove any value waiting could possibly have because they put away the DRCs they may very well have had.
About the extirpate art: it's a split second thing. All the split second cards in time spiral block had a "split frame" effect. The intent was to show "this spell is *so fast*, it happens halfway through the art"
Yeah I get the lightning bolt split second motif, but what happened SO FAST is his mouth is open now? Most of them are a dramatic change to the scene.
It actually shows the sudden realization that you forgot your keys.
@@CoilingSliver That's exactly what it looks like
The original design for the card was an attempt to make a reworded, functional Word of Command. So Extirpate's art is a nod to that classic art. The attempt failed, so it was turned into a graveyard hoser instead, but the art was already in.
His mouth is open on both sides, but the lighting is not good. He's getting scheistgheisted out his mf wigwam
In match 2 game 1, you could have still extirpated in the draw step, avoiding red blast or counter spells by casting your snapcaster in the Upkeep
I have a "for fun" deck like this in modern, I run alot of this stuff along with necromentia effects and thoughtscour so that you can be more proactive in getting rid of gas. Spiciest card is commit//memory so that I know when to extract to deny a draw and late game I can get a basically one sided refill
i love this, also it's pure evil
I'd love to see Telepathy in a build some day. Cabal Therapy and Surgicals... no secrets. :)
Strong players always have Telepathy in play. ;)
Loving the last 3 videos more than usual. Spicy and fun! Keep up the awesome work
One of my first casual decks was in this style. It's good in the kitchen table meta where your opponent collapses into a salty pile if you just rip all their pet cards out of the deck. Thanks for the nostalgia.
Should've maybe considered some Test of Talents. Counter Instant or Sorcery plus extraction in one card. Could be bad if they have a copy in their hand which would draw them a card, but with Thoughtseize you could potentially avoid that risk entirely.
Definitely for fun! I enjoyed watching this
My favorite magic content creator. You always have the best decks and very insightful commentary about why you take the lines that you take. Good jokes don't hurt either 😁
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What a fascinating deck!
Surgical "tribal", I love it.
I have one copy maindeck in my Rock deck because why not.
this deck was sick to watch in action!
Bar none, the best MTG content out there. I always look forward to the next deck being played and the amazing insight that comes with each. THANK YOU!
Thank you!
9:28 There was an article on daily mtg, I saw it maybe three years ago?, where the art director of Time Spiral block talked about how Extirpate's art was the forefront of a new design philosophy...I think I'll show Lorwyn cards to people if I want to sell people on Magic
Love the extraction decks
Oh hell yes extraction is back on the menu boys
At 20:40, couldnt you cast snappy at the upkeep and then extirpate in the draw step? That way it's none of the downsides with all of the upsides
This is what I came here to comment.
Exactly what I was thinking. Not the most obvious line to spot but I can't see a fault with it.
I love this deck! So fun to watch, I always loved to play sadistic sacrament and jesters cap in the past. So seeing this makes me warm and fuzzy on the inside.
On a side note, would it be possible to also include an effect like Unmoored Ego // Necromentia to rip out whatever matters after you've seen their deck without having to mill it first.
Or even include like 1 or 2 sadistic sacrament to rip out kaldra batterskull from a stoneforge deck. Or an emrakul from a combo deck.
oh man 1:17:00 you milled all 3 remaining surgical effects and my heart broke
Would Psychogenic Probe be good in this deck? With all the shuffles you force and fetchlands being everywhere, this could give you another angle on which you can attack the opponent
I actually have this idea for a Modern Rogue deck. It already has a semi mill plan, an extracting their wincons with Extirpate, Extraction, and Earwig Squad is what I want to do. Haven't decided on a final build, though. I need to get Extraction and some more fetches.
For a deck with such a low mana curve, I think running 18 or 19 lands would be better. I like this list
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Kept hearing Boseiju in that last match and Neon brain worms made me think Boseiju who Endures lol
Sick deck, though, super fun idea ripping win cons out of decks
Might be bad, but I wish there were 2 Extracts in the 75. Imagine casting it on turn 1 in game 2 against a Doomsday deck to remove an Oracle.
Surgical is great because your opponent is playing magic cards. Goodnight
What about Extract from odyssey to get those cards in exile instead of surgical?
Probably a stupid question, but why did extracting the Oracle in round 2 win you the game? Doesn't the trigger still resolve?
the trigger is related to the devotion to blue. without the oracle in play, the opponent had 2 cards in their deck and no devotion, so no instant win.
@@ryanbrougham5098 oooohh okay thank you.
What do you think about test of talents in this deck?
I know just randomly sniping a land with surgical is lame, but in a dedicated pox deck would there be any usefulness to extracting the opponents duals after waste landing them?
You’d need some strong information about their hand and deck for that to be the right choice. It rarely cuts off the ability to play the game.
@@BoshNRoll I feel like delver and doomsday, which only usually run one or two basics and a playset of their on color dual might be weak to it. Any 3+ color deck its probably a horrible idea though.
@@Fandwicksvhs Unfortunately Delver and often Doomsday now run shocks to up their density of duals, making it much worse. Also, Doomsday is one of the freest matchups possible, being good there does not mean a ton.
I really love this style of play. I think I mentioned this in your modern version of this deck, but I had a standard version of this during dominaria standard, using Ixalan's binding and Gideon's intervention to handle on board threats. Obviously 4 CMC enchantments are a little more difficult to justify in legacy, but the strategy was great in standard.
Man your members have such good ideas
They rule so hard
How do you feel about a turbo version of this deck with cards more mill playing main deck ensnaring bridge or mote, fast mana and the old 3 mana ashiok from original theros
@@jackirby6660 Hi, I'm InsertName (the deck submitter) and I've played the deck in many iterations a good bit. Turbo mill is definitely a viable strategy for this type of deck, but in order to play a mill package you need to cut the powerful interactive spells, and the thing with mill is it doesn't do anything unless the game goes long. Court of Cunning really is the best way to mill the opponent, and it furthers the control plan itself. As far as Bridge goes, the trick with a deck built around giving your opponent access to all there cards (especially in a Mystical Sanctuary world) is that they will usually have an answer somewhere, and then you just die. I've never tried Ashiok, but I'm skeptical of it being better then the other options, specifically Court. It is easier to interact with, kills slower, and all in all is probably less value.
@@insertname6170 all fair points, if I may ask from your pov in a tournament which do you think Is more viable as a fan of these kinds of decks I've always wanted to pick a version up knowing it will be tier 3
@@jackirby6660 I think something pretty close to what's in this video is the best you can get. This version of the deck is also optimized to especially beat Delver, that may be less true if/when delver gets hit.
round 3 opponent saw combo as an archetype and said yes
I am one of those Timmy's who's always liked the extraction strategy since seeing cranial extraction back in the day. I understand your argument about the cards needing to be in the graveyard... but what about the extraction effects where you name a card? More expensive, yes, but after casting a surgical and knowing what threats are left you can just name them rather than trying to get them in the grave first. Unmoored Ego I think is the cheapest effect at 3 mana. It's also blue so can be pitched to force
9:47, why would they FoW the strix when they actually have a stoneforge/Kaldra to protect?! is it played badly or am I missing something?
Definitely a unique deck. Seems like it could really use a Murktide to close games
That’s cheating
I'm the deck submitter and I'll be honest the current version has some in the side. The sad reality we live in.
@@insertname6170 Thoughts on the number of Extirpates? Discard into Surgical is great, Snap-Surgical is less mana-intensive ✔️, but I love the raw power of Extirpate and there being no counter play.
@@TheAcidBrn Extripate is definitely worse, you only ever want it as extra Surgicals. I like as many of the effect as you can fit, just depends on how many you think that is.
I’ve always kinda wondered why this deck isn’t esper with meddling mage to go with the surgicals. I think you could build this deck to have a better fair blue match up by playing murktide and using your surgical game plan to just try to cut them off ways to answer it and hoping your murktide is the biggest thing left
I played an Esper version on the channel before :)
I was thinking of meddling mage as well
would this work with a dark rit, hymn, lilly package? or would that be trying to pull off too much at once?
or even wasteland to hit specific lands like depths
I love your pox enthusiasm, but that’s too much for one deck
In the deck tech states "this is a backdoor mill deck that takes out all the opponents threats" takes EI, ponder, force of will...? I think there was a huge play pattern issue with how this was done. The deck is awful if you're trying to one for one your opponent because there's nothing in the deck. I believe this deck could get a couple of non-combo wins if you only take things that can win the game, your opponent drawing into more draw helps the decks game plan.
You will find that I said the same thing in the league wrap up. :)
I assume the play patterns of this deck are quite similar to lantern control. Where the specifics of what you exile are super specific based on the individual matches and revealed information in each game. I could also imagine the exact number of extractions/extripates needed to achieve "critical mass" would end up being super finicky. If you don't have enough in a game, then the opponent still gets to draw their remaining threat(s) and kill you. At that point all you've done is thinned their deck for them.
Yeah for sure, it's one thing that is really hard to learn and seems very strange the first few time you do it. Unless you know about a second in hand you basically never take dig.
@@BoshNRoll called out for not watching the last few minutes on my first replied comment... I feel unworthy haha. Love the content though, it's honestly amazing lunch break/waiting on models chill streams!
I play a variant of this deck but instead of removing all the threats i remove their ability to play them by Stifle-ing their fetches and Sinkhole-ing their lands. My win condition is Mind Funeral after i strip majority of their lands from library with Surgical Extraction.
I haven't watched the vid yet but I know it's the kind of deck that can make you win a tournament easily if you don't face the unwinnable matchups. (MonoR let's say) So, maybe not the best for a constant strong player who could play a strong meta deck but a good choice for someone who wants to one shot a tournament once. Can't wait to watch the vid
1:07:00 I guess it's a mistake to let him draw an extra card and leave him a chance to draw FoW and protect his sneak attack. Without the attacks he is dead, so just go with it and forget about the plan of getting read of his extra draw (which would not help villain)
What do you think?
On surgical, i can acknowledge that its likely not great mainboard in nost decks but it feels quite good to commit to that kinda anemic control. The idea of fighting a delver and removing all their murktides and drc is satisfying. Or some decks just removing the single wincon and watch them weep yaknow
Yup it's a Friday deck alright
@20:35 you could upkeep snapcaster targetting extirpate, and flashback extirpate during draw as it flashbacks with split second as well, so it can't be countered.
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M1G1 you definitely should have Snap Surgicaled the Stoneforge immediately after you Fatal Pushed it.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
@@treycuret Not hindsight at all, I thought it at the time. This style of deck should strip the opponents threats immediately at almost every instance it is available, especially against decks that run 3-4 copies each of 2-3 threats. Stoneforge is even the most important of the threats that deck plays as it gives card advantage.
@@NoticemeSinPi The problem there is that it basically leaves him dead to the murktide that he knows is in the opponent's hand. It's a lot better to play to the information you know, rather than playing to hypotheticals. Essentially, it's the exact issue that Brian had highlighted during the deck tech; you're using a 1 for 0 to try and prevent a potential problem when there's a known problem staring you in the face.
@@Korwinga had he removed Stoneforge, the only way Murtide could be cast the next turn is with a topdeck fetchland crack exile the whole yard to get a 4/4 that dies to the 3 edicts and 3 strixs, 2 snaps for edict in gy, or jace he still had in his deck. He would have had 4 turns to find 9 outs and in that series of events he'd have been able to hardcast force of negation on the EI the opponents turn after the Murktide.
On the other hand, without Stoneforge in thier deck to draw, Kaldra is a dead card in hand for another 4-5 turns minimum before they could even get enough mana to cast it. They also wouldn't get a free Batterskull which is also a card our deck doesn't answer well long-term.
This was a very obvious play to make given the situation, but instead he left himself open to the two biggest threats the opponent could have.
@@NoticemeSinPi This all assumes the opponent just jams a Murktide instead of sculpting. The games play out so wildly differently (i.e. the Push draw sucked, the third top decked SFM isn't drawn) that it feels weird to state it as an objective fact that one decision is better...
Haven't watch gameplay yet. Just curious there's no Wasteland. Surgical removes non-basic land cards. 'Waste your dual, Surgical.' After Sanpcaster got printed there was a UB deck on one of the SCG Sunday streams and that was the plan. Was kinda gross to watch. Surgical'd the fetches first (against Canadian Threshhold). Then their Trops..
I played a similar deck years ago with and without Wastelands. I'm not nearly as good of a player as Bosh so take this with a grain of salt: if a game goes long and you've landed enough Surgicals and Extirpates, your opponent inevitably gets flooded with lands instead of cards that do stuff. Then stick a Jace and GG. Also, to win with a deck like this you have to start out fast; you can't afford to lose the mana of "wasting" a land drop on a Wasteland.
Wouldnt archive trap being incredible in this deck?
InsertName (the deck submitter) here. The deck originally played a more turbo mill plan, with Crabs and Traps, but as time went on it became more and more apparent that opening yourself up to removal with the crabs was not the way to go. Next I started play Tasha's Hideous Laughter and trap as the decks wincons, but Laughter obviously doesn't mill and was often lackluster against many of the top decks. It was then that I tested Court of Cunning, and it quickly became apparent that Court was the best wincon the deck could ask for, also furthering the control plan and singlehandedly winning the game. I was still playing trap at this point, but I realized that I never had trouble winning even in games I didn't draw it. long story short, Court wins enough on its own you just don't need the trap any more. I'd go up to 4 Court long before I play the first Trap.
Argument for taking emmy g1 of the last set without hindsight as an argument. Sneak and show literally plays 2 threats to win off of. Those ponders woud have to be near perfection given they didn't already have a cheat spell. You take emmy and they start to flop hard. (Edit looked back at the footage and paused so I could see construction they're playing omniscience which I think does change the math a bit?)
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I honestly think Teferi, Time Raveler should just be banned in every single format - not because it's "too good", but because it just makes games too non-interactive. Generally bad card design, please just get it out of everywhere.
hold up... that menu at 7:53... that really says GetDunked. what??? I don't play mtgo, so perhaps this is a well known thing. but to me, that is hilarious. I guess WoTC has a sense of humor?
That's my opponent's username haha
@@BoshNRoll Ah!!! that makes sense then. still, pretty funny to see in that context.