I am so Thankful that people have been recording him and he has written so much. Truly the CS Lewis of our time. I hope God gives him many more years with us. I have heard him say, in other videos, his relationship with God is even more real in his sickness. He is my main search topic on RUclips each week, if not almost daily. God bless him, a gift to our generation.
I have this compulsion to share everything I hear from Pastor Keller. He’s a voice of reason, and a reason to ponder how each one of us fits into this broken world....And immediately humbling to boot....
Timothy, if this message to ever reach you I won’t speak watered down. I’m a 40 year young man. I’m grateful for your teachings. Your sermons brought me to Jesus’ feet. Though I continue to live in sin, I’m better because of you. You’ve gently ushered me. I love you. I’m sorry your life is coming narrow. You’re leaving a legacy. Countless hours of preaching on RUclips and your Redeemer podcast. Your voice will continue to inspire. Thank you for your life work. Forever grateful for bringing me to Jesus.
Very true. And when you wake up to direct experience of the Holy Spirit, don't just use that to spew verbal, textual "truths." Learn how to wake other people up to the direct experience of the Holy Spirit. And I don't mean mental/emotional belief and honoring and worship of the Holy Spirit, I literally mean "direct experience of the Holy Spirit," which by the way won't be a one time, same experience every time, same level every time kind of thing.
I'm 70 today, encountered Christ instantly 30 years ago, and walked through all the doubts, challenges and cultural/secular "mantras" during my life...the Protestant "flavors" of the day...and into the Catholic Church. This interview is terrific. As Vincent (combox) says..."Goldmine Interview!" I hope to draw non-believers to an encounter with Christ and have learned so much from this interview and Keller's book, "The Reason for God." I pray blessings on Keller's work and for those who are a part of it!
Soaking this up. Saving to listen again. Oh and I’m from AL and am very churched. Tim Keller helped me understand gospel grace which of course is life changing. I’m so grateful for his ongoing ministry to me and untold numbers of others! Praise be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!
At one hour in, when they're talking about resources for church leaders to navigate in the post-Christian West: please, PLEASE!! listen to "This Cultural Moment," a podcast with two pastors (one in Portland, OR, the other in Melbourne, Aus) addressing this issue. A friend told me about it a few months ago, and I can't say much other than that it's perfect. Start w/episode 1 and I promise you'll be hooked!!
Good to hear from Tim Keller, who is on point as usual. I still remember that review on Yelp of Redeemer Presbyterian Church from some ten years ago. Nothing I've ever heard or read about Redeemer has ever been proven more accurate or cogent. Excerpts edited for brevity and clarity: 1/17/2011 I have been to Redeemer West side and East side services. I still go from time to time. I used to take part in several of the volunteer opportunities at Redeemer. First, I will start with the founding Pastor Tim Keller. Tim Keller's sermons are some of the most thought provoking you will ever hear in your life anywhere! He is also an author. I would go so far as to say that he is one of the great thinkers of our time. He is also a visionary in many ways. My husband and I regularly purchase and listen to his sermons. So why only 3 stars? Because a church is more than just a pastor. Now there is no perfect church. But there are some serious things lacking here: First of all, there is no prayer meeting or focus on corporate prayer for the entire church. The very basic part of the Christian faith that Jesus himself said with his own lips was Matthew 21:13. "It is written," He said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a den of robbers." Prayer is just talking to God, it doesn't require any special talent, skill or training. So the lack of prayer at this church is very alarming to me. And I haven't heard anyone speak of repentance at Redeemer --- ever. Again, I have listened to hundreds of sermons and been to at least a hundred services both on the W est and East sides. The church ministries are called "ministries" but are run like any secular organization. Redeemer Presbyterian is run like a business, a well-oiled corporate machine, and not a church. The other 2 things which are cultural and not spiritual but are off-putting to me are: 1. Most of the members and regular visitors to Redeemer are transplants, not New Yorkers, so the church is a large city church but run like a small town church where there are very few native New Yorkers. It seems most of the members are not established in the city and are just passing through. 2. The other is that it seems the majority of the congregation is looking for a spouse, and very aggressively. When you walk in, the first thing people do is look at your hand for a ring, and then are bold enough to ask if it is a wedding ring. That experience is not unique to me, but to all of the guests I bring here. In addition, in any volunteer group I have been to, the small talk from both men and women centered around trying to find a spouse. Then the few married people were usually complaining about their marriages. The pastor knows about this, and does see it as a problem because he addresses it in his sermons. But people don't seem to listen. It is like they are all living in 1950's rural America. One other major problem I have with the church is that it is mostly white and Asian. I believe the reason is that the congregation ---- and this is not the pastoral team's fault --- seems to be focused on their careers and making money, and not on God at all. God is there to bless their agendas; this is how they seem to operate. I believe this is true for a few reasons. One, the culture of the church and focus of the congregation seems to be on Whites and Asians who make good money and have high-end careers, rather than on God. A huge basic tenet of the Christian faith is Death to Self. But at Redeemer, when you hear testimonies approved by the pastoral staff, they usually start with the person's professional credentials. I do not see any Death to Self there, but actually the opposite: It's "Look at what I can do for God because of my high income and education." It is not wrong to have a high income or education as a Christian. But the focus (at Redeemer) is wrong. So for these reasons, I think the church is best for those who are not Christians yet but are seekers of God, or those established in the faith already. It is not good in my opinion for the average believer looking for a home church. But by all means, purchase Tim Keller's sermons and do something that the congregation fails to do: Learn from his sermons. The church in my opinion is more intellectual than spiritual. end
This, along with the previous Mike Todd interviews are so helpful, challenging and inspiring for the next 50 years of church ministry and beyond. Thanks Carey and thanks Tim.
Here in America we are the Laodicean church of Revelation. When preaching the Gospel what is your goal fill the seats and the tithe baskets or save souls. To save souls it’s not hard because we are called to plant seeds the Holy Spirit will give the increase.
Greatly appreciate the sandbox context of the discussion; inquiry balanced with freedom of thought exploration. Dr. Keller continues to honor his gift, bestowed by Christ, for which I am eternally grateful. Good health and blessings ahead.
It's fascinating to learn some historical context around this issue of waxing and waning Christianity in America. The modern narratives of social justice and self-imposed, individualized morality are like a rudderless ship leading to nowhere and worse. Interestingly, true freedom is realized for those who follow Christ within the framework of God's Word, the Bible. Unbridled freedom for man's every desire does not end well, ever.
True freedom is obedience? Thanks Orwell. The social justice movement has begun to liberate women, Black people, and LGBT+ people from continuing to suffer under oppressive heirarchies - with conservative Christians standing in the way at every step. If Christians refuse to budge from letting conservative politics determine their theology, then my post-Christian generation will have no choice but to run them over to liberate the oppressed.
Carey I’ve been reading your blog and checking out your content, and it’s really been very therapeutic for me. I am in the midst of deconstructing my fundamental evangelical upbringing and it’s been the hardest thing I’ve ever done. I agree with you that Christians need to address the issue of Christian nationalism. That’s the main reason I left. I want to reconstruct back to some sort of Christianity but it’s really hard for me to go back knowing that my parents and teachers growing up lied to me and in some cases manipulated me to stay indoctrinated. I was a biblicist, so it’s hard for me not to want to throw the baby out with the bath water and think the whole thing is BS. Sorry for the long rant but thank you for the deconstruction content you’ve posted, it’s been a light to me in this dark period.
This is one incredible hour! Thanks for this and thanks to Tim for answering all those questions. It has enriched me and given me much food for thought! An excellent interview for anybody leading a church. Bless you!
100 to 800 is the way forward. That encourages me because our church is small. There are people all over the world who loved and continue loving Union Church of San Salvador but were only here for a relatively short period of time and then were reassigned to another city.
@@peterblock6964 What's untrue about it? He is saying that Christ's identity is imputed to those of us who believe (through HIs grace). It is not our works that save us, but Christ's completed work.
@@conservativemama3437, Words to the effect of "I take Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior" or what ever variation thereof your particular sect uses are just magical incantations. They mean nothing to God. If Christ completed his "work" and paid everyone's price He did so. And it's paid in full. If you insist that your magical incantation is required to be saved, then you are really saying that it is NOT Jesus's completed work that is efficatious, but rather your little magical incantation.
Peter Block oh I see what you are saying. I believe you are trying to say that Christ died for the whole world when actually the Bible does not teach that at all. He died for whoever He called and elected-who He gives the grace to to receive Him. What you are saying is something progressive Christians like to say but unfortunately isn’t Biblical or true.
I can't know what each non-Catholic believes, @@conservativemama3437. There are as many christian theologies as there are christian sects. All of them believe they understand the Bible correctly and others (where their interpretation differs) are wrong. The Catholic Church included. In your theology, Conservative Mama, ¿How does Christ chose those who He saves?
Sooo good. He explained my exact situation in St.Louis inner city as a conservative Christian. .. why I've been lumped into both good & bad categories...by both believers & (largely) non believers. I've been confused by a lot of the reactions people have given me who don't even know me. He nailed the times we're in. He could get rid of that little head-wiggle he does when he knows he's arrogantly right lol.
Great insights and wisdom. As to Identity, our world has moved to Shame from Guilt. Biblical shame is “A loss of identity and inheritance. In Christ we have the identity as “Children of God”. We are in the family of God.
Thank you for this important comment - so true. May Jesus be enough for us, in every situation at any time and may his word be our feet's lamp. Without it, we would wander in the dark. I find it irritating, that Christians think, that something must be reformed today, when the only reformation has been to turn BACK TO THE WORD :)! Read the bible, pray over God's word, live It and preach it. Nothing more and nothing less. May the lord bless you
I agree with Tim, the younger generation in Houston and other Texas metropolitan cities are walking away from the faith and substituting with other “idols” or just blinded by culture. I see it in my immediate circle of contacts. Tailored emotional Apologetics relevant to this generation is critical as Keller has articulated.
On megachurches: 'its a discipleship problem; a lot of passivity, and there's a bureaucracy problem where people spend an awful lot of time looking at systems instead of doing ministry ' - Tim Keller. I really wanted to write this down as i cannot help but think that this is one of the main issues affecting the the church of England.
What if we get back to God's design for His Church? We tried it man's way and it hasn't worked. God designed it and created a full proof strategy for ministering to the lost and discipleship. When did we decide our ways are better?
Very interesting! Just a note, food for thought--identity can be performative, yet not based on quality of performance. It's not like a job in the theater or any other job, it's another sense of performance. My guess is this grows out of philosophy of gender. Judith Butler? So while some people may experience pressure to perform based on their identity or feel that pressure at some times, that's by no means a universal--that element of judgement is not inherent in this sense of performance.
As an evangelical Christian in the middle of Alabama, I actually don't think it would be viewed that strangely to hear a church, even predominantly white and conservative, to discuss racial justice as biblical teaching. I do think tribalism causes people to dissociate those principles from the way they vote and talk about politics, however, which I think is the real problem.
We no longer have the ability to effectively communicate (Lesslie Newbigin) 4:55 Changing cultural narratives and the meaning of life: being "true to yourself" 9:00 The response: you think you're free but you're not. 11:00 The culture shifts again: identity politics and social justice 13:12 High and Low position 15:42 Confrontation and fulfillment 17:50 The belief umbrella collapses: changing perception of orthodoxy 19:23 Political polarization: four cross-cutting core beliefs 21:54 Over-adapting to the culture (augustine) 38:58 Where science ends and decision making begins 41:25 The looming hostility 43:40 Don't walk away: what Christianity offers 47:10 Making Emotional Sense: Apologetics of desire and satisfaction (C.S. Lewis) 52:25 New Atheists: That's not where kids are, the limits of science revisited 56:45 A Personal dark time 1:04:26
I chased a link posted by a friend on Facebook to this video. I'm an atheist who is watching it just out of curiosity, to better understand the mindset of persons like Mr. Keller. So far my impression is that he's completely missing the fact that many of us have come to essentially consider Evangelicals to be evil. Sure, there is less to connect us to Christianity but as long as it does no harm I'm willing to just give it a pass as yet another belief. But with Evangelicals uncritically backing Trump in their desire for power they've moved beyond that. I'm not hearing anything that I find particularly compelling.
They’ve been brainwashed into thinking stripping women of their bodily autonomy is the ultimate moral position. The irony is that a pro choice stance actually results in less abortions. Their science denial is paramount as well. Tim seems to be drowning cognitive dissonance.
Tim es traga años. Que Dios los proteja a él y a Kathy. Ellos ofrecen la mejor respuesta a las preguntas de muchas personas. Hay tres misioneras aquí en El Salvador que han sido influenciadas por ellos. Con sus esposos han tenido excelentes matrimonios ejemplares y reflejan el amor de Cristo en su servicio aquí. Supe hasta este año cuando nuestro hijo y nuera nos regalaron tabletas. Una mañana allí estaba Tim Keller cuando me desperté. Me crié en la Iglesia Presbiteriana y uso un libro de Common Worship de 1946 pero asisto a una iglesia interdenominacional. La única iglesia presbiteriana aquí es de koreanos.
You do what Christ did and what the apostles did. Its irrelevant what the culture is or says. They preached in a non-christian culture. You do what is written. Preach the gospel, make disciples, and teach all that Christ commanded. Post christian America is irrelevant. Man's heart is still the same as it was 2000 years ago when Christ walked the earth. It's dead in sin in need of a savior. The solution is still the same. Salvation is by grace thru faith in Christ. The only method GOD has ordained to save sinners is the preaching of the gospel. Preach Christ!
The New Man 17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as [f]the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. 20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness. Ephesians 4:17-24
21:50 1. racial justice 2. care for poor and marginalized 3. pro-life 4. conservative sexual view . 59:00 ? . 32:38 1. relationship 2. spiritual health 3. fiscal and material stability 4. vocation and career 5. wellness and behavioural health (35:17 all 5 solvable by fruits of holy spirit scripture + proverb)
Thank you!! Adding at 46.10 - discussion of the checkerboard of post-Christian values geographically and generationally. Segueing into discussion of bringing the conversation of the 4 values shared earlier into sharing the gospel Christianity has better resources for pursuing each of the 4 values. Also speak to: Identity Freedom Meaning Value Justice How do you tell someone what is right or wrong? People have to want Christianity to be true before they are open to an argument that it is. Emotional Apologetics - 47.55 Blaise Pascal: "Bring Christianity to the place where they wish Christianity was true, then show them that it's true."
Lord Jesus, please touch Tim Keller and heal him...we need him in this hour more than ever.
After losing Ravi, I’m really not ready to lose TK too!
Amen
Amen.
God knows what he's doing. If he takes Tim Keller home, surely God will have a plan.
I am so Thankful that people have been recording him and he has written so much. Truly the CS Lewis of our time. I hope God gives him many more years with us. I have heard him say, in other videos, his relationship with God is even more real in his sickness. He is my main search topic on RUclips each week, if not almost daily. God bless him, a gift to our generation.
I have this compulsion to share everything I hear from Pastor Keller. He’s a voice of reason, and a reason to ponder how each one of us fits into this broken world....And immediately humbling to boot....
Couldn't agree more. :)
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Same! I have been reading his books for years and just shared one his RUclips videos with my husband. He was blown away!
Tim Keller is one of my favorite pastors. I would say that I am a Kellerite even in 2023 haha
I miss Keller's voice in our generation 😢
I know 😢
"How to Bring the Gospel to Post-Christian America"? Preach it.
Timothy, if this message to ever reach you I won’t speak watered down. I’m a 40 year young man. I’m grateful for your teachings. Your sermons brought me to Jesus’ feet. Though I continue to live in sin, I’m better because of you. You’ve gently ushered me. I love you. I’m sorry your life is coming narrow. You’re leaving a legacy. Countless hours of preaching on RUclips and your Redeemer podcast. Your voice will continue to inspire. Thank you for your life work. Forever grateful for bringing me to Jesus.
Thank you. Great interview. Tim Keller's wisdom will last forever.
Thank you T.K.for a life faithfully lived for Kingdom values.
We need to wake up to the Holy Spirit if we want to reach people in American culture. Its impossible without Him.
Very true.
And when you wake up to direct experience of the Holy Spirit, don't just use that to spew verbal, textual "truths."
Learn how to wake other people up to the direct experience of the Holy Spirit.
And I don't mean mental/emotional belief and honoring and worship of the Holy Spirit,
I literally mean "direct experience of the Holy Spirit," which by the way won't be a one time, same experience every time, same level every time kind of thing.
Love Tim Keller’s insights. Justice and equality are everything in today’s generation! Thank you Carey.
Totally.
Tim Keller’s a genius. This is so rich. 🔥🔥
Tim Keller never disappoints us! Thanks for the interview Carey!
This video is well worth the hour of one's time. Informative. Challenging. Inspiring. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you Kevin!
Thanks Kevin!
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Thank you for your insight Tim Keller God Bless you . Brian from Dublin Ireland
I'm 70 today, encountered Christ instantly 30 years ago, and walked through all the doubts, challenges and cultural/secular "mantras" during my life...the Protestant "flavors" of the day...and into the Catholic Church. This interview is terrific. As Vincent (combox) says..."Goldmine Interview!" I hope to draw non-believers to an encounter with Christ and have learned so much from this interview and Keller's book, "The Reason for God." I pray blessings on Keller's work and for those who are a part of it!
This is convicting as someone living in a city that would REALLY feel more comfortable somewhere else
Fantastic interview. Great questions, lots of insight and wisdom from Tim Keller.
Thanks Ian. It was such a privilege.
Soaking this up. Saving to listen again. Oh and I’m from AL and am very churched. Tim Keller helped me understand gospel grace which of course is life changing. I’m so grateful for his ongoing ministry to me and untold numbers of others! Praise be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!
Laura Dimama Amen, Laura.
Carey & Tim! Had to watch instead of listen - legendary!
It was a wonderful conversation.
At one hour in, when they're talking about resources for church leaders to navigate in the post-Christian West: please, PLEASE!! listen to "This Cultural Moment," a podcast with two pastors (one in Portland, OR, the other in Melbourne, Aus) addressing this issue. A friend told me about it a few months ago, and I can't say much other than that it's perfect. Start w/episode 1 and I promise you'll be hooked!!
Good to hear from Tim Keller, who is on point as usual.
I still remember that review on Yelp of Redeemer Presbyterian Church from some ten years ago. Nothing I've ever heard or read about Redeemer has ever been proven more accurate or cogent.
Excerpts edited for brevity and clarity:
1/17/2011
I have been to Redeemer West side and East side services. I still go from time to time. I used to take part in several of the volunteer opportunities at Redeemer. First, I will start with the founding Pastor Tim Keller. Tim Keller's sermons are some of the most thought provoking you will ever hear in your life anywhere! He is also an author. I would go so far as to say that he is one of the great thinkers of our time. He is also a visionary in many ways. My husband and I regularly purchase and listen to his sermons.
So why only 3 stars? Because a church is more than just a pastor.
Now there is no perfect church. But there are some serious things lacking here:
First of all, there is no prayer meeting or focus on corporate prayer for the entire church. The very basic part of the Christian faith that Jesus himself said with his own lips was Matthew 21:13. "It is written," He said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a den of robbers."
Prayer is just talking to God, it doesn't require any special talent, skill or training. So the lack of prayer at this church is very alarming to me.
And I haven't heard anyone speak of repentance at Redeemer --- ever. Again, I have listened to hundreds of sermons and been to at least a hundred services both on the W est and East sides.
The church ministries are called "ministries" but are run like any secular organization.
Redeemer Presbyterian is run like a business, a well-oiled corporate machine, and not a church.
The other 2 things which are cultural and not spiritual but are off-putting to me are:
1. Most of the members and regular visitors to Redeemer are transplants, not New Yorkers, so the church is a large city church but run like a small town church where there are very few native New Yorkers. It seems most of the members are not established in the city and are just passing through.
2. The other is that it seems the majority of the congregation is looking for a spouse, and very aggressively. When you walk in, the first thing people do is look at your hand for a ring, and then are bold enough to ask if it is a wedding ring. That experience is not unique to me, but to all of the guests I bring here. In addition, in any volunteer group I have been to, the small talk from both men and women centered around trying to find a spouse. Then the few married people were usually complaining about their marriages. The pastor knows about this, and does see it as a problem because he addresses it in his sermons. But people don't seem to listen. It is like they are all living in 1950's rural America.
One other major problem I have with the church is that it is mostly white and Asian. I believe the reason is that the congregation ---- and this is not the pastoral team's fault --- seems to be focused on their careers and making money, and not on God at all. God is there to bless their agendas; this is how they seem to operate.
I believe this is true for a few reasons. One, the culture of the church and focus of the congregation seems to be on Whites and Asians who make good money and have high-end careers, rather than on God. A huge basic tenet of the Christian faith is Death to Self. But at Redeemer, when you hear testimonies approved by the pastoral staff, they usually start with the person's professional credentials. I do not see any Death to Self there, but actually the opposite: It's "Look at what I can do for God because of my high income and education." It is not wrong to have a high income or education as a Christian. But the focus (at Redeemer) is wrong.
So for these reasons, I think the church is best for those who are not Christians yet but are seekers of God, or those established in the faith already. It is not good in my opinion for the average believer looking for a home church. But by all means, purchase Tim Keller's sermons and do something that the congregation fails to do: Learn from his sermons. The church in my opinion is more intellectual than spiritual.
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I have learned so much over the years from Tim. I love to listen to him. God has blessed me through him. May God heal his body. In Jesus name…
This, along with the previous Mike Todd interviews are so helpful, challenging and inspiring for the next 50 years of church ministry and beyond. Thanks Carey and thanks Tim.
Love this Samuel. Keep going. :)
Carey Nieuwhof thanks Carey! Love the video to compliment the podcast as well! Keep blessing and serving the local church 🙌🏻
Thanks for doing this interview, Carey. Took loads of notes. Keller is such a gift.
What a gem 💜 So precious. Thank you so. much. 🌻
Wow. Thanks for this!! Tim Keller is the best - simple as that
Here in America we are the Laodicean church of Revelation. When preaching the Gospel what is your goal fill the seats and the tithe baskets or save souls.
To save souls it’s not hard because we are called to plant seeds the Holy Spirit will give the increase.
Great walk-through, Sarah! Thank you. I'll watch it again while I go through each section of my own account next.
21:50 is such an easy thing to see yet it's also so insightful and important
min 13 is so powerful, a given identity vs one you create...is liberating
Excellent
What a fantastic interview, Carey, thanks so much. TK is such a gift, I learn so much every time. I love watching how you interview too.
Greatly appreciate the sandbox context of the discussion; inquiry balanced with freedom of thought exploration. Dr. Keller continues to honor his gift, bestowed by Christ, for which I am eternally grateful. Good health and blessings ahead.
About time adapting sharing the gospel to a prayer-filled 2-way conversation in a contextual way.
Such an excellent interview! So much to ponder and pray about.
So much wisdom in this! Thanks for sharing.
It's fascinating to learn some historical context around this issue of waxing and waning Christianity in America. The modern narratives of social justice and self-imposed, individualized morality are like a rudderless ship leading to nowhere and worse. Interestingly, true freedom is realized for those who follow Christ within the framework of God's Word, the Bible. Unbridled freedom for man's every desire does not end well, ever.
I'm sure history bears you out...
Oh...wait....
True freedom is obedience? Thanks Orwell. The social justice movement has begun to liberate women, Black people, and LGBT+ people from continuing to suffer under oppressive heirarchies - with conservative Christians standing in the way at every step. If Christians refuse to budge from letting conservative politics determine their theology, then my post-Christian generation will have no choice but to run them over to liberate the oppressed.
Carey I’ve been reading your blog and checking out your content, and it’s really been very therapeutic for me. I am in the midst of deconstructing my fundamental evangelical upbringing and it’s been the hardest thing I’ve ever done. I agree with you that Christians need to address the issue of Christian nationalism. That’s the main reason I left. I want to reconstruct back to some sort of Christianity but it’s really hard for me to go back knowing that my parents and teachers growing up lied to me and in some cases manipulated me to stay indoctrinated. I was a biblicist, so it’s hard for me not to want to throw the baby out with the bath water and think the whole thing is BS. Sorry for the long rant but thank you for the deconstruction content you’ve posted, it’s been a light to me in this dark period.
Thank you for your honesty. I'm hopeful that you're reconstruction experience will strengthen your faith, cheering for you!
what an excellent interview!! The questions were very well appreciated and the answers especially!!!
This is one incredible hour! Thanks for this and thanks to Tim for answering all those questions. It has enriched me and given me much food for thought! An excellent interview for anybody leading a church. Bless you!
This was so good on so many levels. Thanks!
Thanks Alan!
Thanks for doing this! Really timely in a time like this
Incredible insight. I plan to watch it again.
100 to 800 is the way forward. That encourages me because our church is small. There are people all over the world who loved and continue loving Union Church of San Salvador but were only here for a relatively short period of time and then were reassigned to another city.
Thanks for doing this interview, Carey. It was helpful and insightful!
Thanks!
May God bless every being on Earth with a thousand orders of magnitude acceleration of their spiritual evolution.
Gave much insight to the big city church!! God bless you!!
"Christianity is the only identity that is received and not achieved."
Cute quote. Doesn't make it true.
@@peterblock6964 What's untrue about it? He is saying that Christ's identity is imputed to those of us who believe (through HIs grace). It is not our works that save us, but Christ's completed work.
@@conservativemama3437, Words to the effect of "I take Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior" or what ever variation thereof your particular sect uses are just magical incantations.
They mean nothing to God.
If Christ completed his "work" and paid everyone's price He did so. And it's paid in full.
If you insist that your magical incantation is required to be saved,
then you are really saying that it is NOT Jesus's completed work that is efficatious,
but rather your little magical incantation.
Peter Block oh I see what you are saying. I believe you are trying to say that Christ died for the whole world when actually the Bible does not teach that at all. He died for whoever He called and elected-who He gives the grace to to receive Him. What you are saying is something progressive Christians like to say but unfortunately isn’t Biblical or true.
I can't know what each non-Catholic believes, @@conservativemama3437.
There are as many christian theologies as there are christian sects.
All of them believe they understand the Bible correctly and others (where their interpretation differs) are wrong.
The Catholic Church included.
In your theology, Conservative Mama, ¿How does Christ chose those who He saves?
inspired and intuition!!
Amen Nancy...and God be with you too!
Xxx
Thank you for this interview
Appreciate this gentleman. God bless him
Wow. loved this. thanks guys!
I love this! Thank you Carey and Tim!
Fantastic, Carey.
Thanks Christopher.
thank you for this.
God can manage His own church. He doesnt need men to do that for Him. Its His church, the bible is for all of life and godliness.
Sooo good. He explained my exact situation in St.Louis inner city as a conservative Christian. .. why I've been lumped into both good & bad categories...by both believers & (largely) non believers. I've been confused by a lot of the reactions people have given me who don't even know me. He nailed the times we're in. He could get rid of that little head-wiggle he does when he knows he's arrogantly right lol.
An Apostle of our generation.
A woke infiltrator of our generation.
Great insights and wisdom. As to Identity, our world has moved to Shame from Guilt. Biblical shame is “A loss of identity and inheritance. In Christ we have the identity as “Children of God”. We are in the family of God.
Wonderful!
Thank you so much this is awesome!
This was so great, so comprehensive and helpful. Thanks Carey and Tim.
Thank you Katie!
I'll be sharing this with my leadership team. Thank you Tim and Carey.
So glad it helped!
Great interview! And I love Tim Keller!
Emotional apologetics" reminds me of a statement i learned in sales training. "people make emotional decisions and justify them rationally".
it's basically how all churches are able to operate.
Sigh... The Gospel has not changed and how we preach it does not need to change. The Holy Spirit does the same work today as He did 2000 years ago.
Thank you for this important comment - so true. May Jesus be enough for us, in every situation at any time and may his word be our feet's lamp. Without it, we would wander in the dark. I find it irritating, that Christians think, that something must be reformed today, when the only reformation has been to turn BACK TO THE WORD :)! Read the bible, pray over God's word, live It and preach it. Nothing more and nothing less.
May the lord bless you
This is a very nice interview. Many thanks to Carey and Tim for this.
I must correct myself. This is an amazing interview.
Awesome interview. I always learn so much from TK. Great questions, you just earned a new subscriber.
I agree with Tim, the younger generation in Houston and other Texas metropolitan cities are walking away from the faith and substituting with other “idols” or just blinded by culture. I see it in my immediate circle of contacts. Tailored emotional Apologetics relevant to this generation is critical as Keller has articulated.
You guys are genius. Great Interview. I'll be binging more videos from you Carey.
Wow. So SO insightful. Double thank you.
God bless you guys thanks
This is a great interview, Carey! You just earned a new subscriber! Would love to listen for more!
Thanks Glenn! Welcome!
On megachurches:
'its a discipleship problem; a lot of passivity, and there's a bureaucracy problem where people spend an awful lot of time looking at systems instead of doing ministry ' - Tim Keller.
I really wanted to write this down as i cannot help but think that this is one of the main issues affecting the the church of England.
I’m new to this podcast. This is an incredibly insightful interview. Thank you for making this available on RUclips.
A couple years ago, I would have loved this. Before I knew how woke he was. :-(
Amazing interview!
I have family in Hot Coffee, MS! ❤
What a goldmine interview! You let Tim shares his wisdom and experiences without interrupting him. We all love it.
I was struck by how good an interviewer Carey Nieuwhof is as well. Great open questions and active listening.
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Thanks Vincent...one of my tests of a good interview is did I let the guest have 95% of the air time. If I did, I did my job.
@@CareyNieuwhof You definitely did sir! Thank you for this fountain of wisdom. Blessings from PH!
Such a great interview. Thank you!
Wow. I'll need to watch that a few more times since he's probably not going to get to turn that into a book.
Carey I enjoy your podcasts and this
it was not what Tim was looking for though lol
What if we get back to God's design for His Church? We tried it man's way and it hasn't worked. God designed it and created a full proof strategy for ministering to the lost and discipleship. When did we decide our ways are better?
Very interesting! Just a note, food for thought--identity can be performative, yet not based on quality of performance. It's not like a job in the theater or any other job, it's another sense of performance. My guess is this grows out of philosophy of gender. Judith Butler? So while some people may experience pressure to perform based on their identity or feel that pressure at some times, that's by no means a universal--that element of judgement is not inherent in this sense of performance.
This was fantastic. Thanks from Singapore
This was phenomenal. Anyone know if it was filmed pre or post Covid?
I thought I heard Carey say one thing about pastor’s staying home.
Terrific. TU.
As an evangelical Christian in the middle of Alabama, I actually don't think it would be viewed that strangely to hear a church, even predominantly white and conservative, to discuss racial justice as biblical teaching. I do think tribalism causes people to dissociate those principles from the way they vote and talk about politics, however, which I think is the real problem.
We no longer have the ability to effectively communicate (Lesslie Newbigin)
4:55
Changing cultural narratives and the meaning of life: being "true to yourself"
9:00
The response: you think you're free but you're not.
11:00
The culture shifts again: identity politics and social justice
13:12
High and Low position
15:42
Confrontation and fulfillment
17:50
The belief umbrella collapses: changing perception of orthodoxy
19:23
Political polarization: four cross-cutting core beliefs
21:54
Over-adapting to the culture (augustine)
38:58
Where science ends and decision making begins
41:25
The looming hostility
43:40
Don't walk away: what Christianity offers
47:10
Making Emotional Sense: Apologetics of desire and satisfaction (C.S. Lewis)
52:25
New Atheists: That's not where kids are, the limits of science revisited
56:45
A Personal dark time
1:04:26
This is great!.. Are these topics covered in one of Tim Keller's books or articles?
Wow his insight is money
I chased a link posted by a friend on Facebook to this video. I'm an atheist who is watching it just out of curiosity, to better understand the mindset of persons like Mr. Keller. So far my impression is that he's completely missing the fact that many of us have come to essentially consider Evangelicals to be evil. Sure, there is less to connect us to Christianity but as long as it does no harm I'm willing to just give it a pass as yet another belief. But with Evangelicals uncritically backing Trump in their desire for power they've moved beyond that.
I'm not hearing anything that I find particularly compelling.
They’ve been brainwashed into thinking stripping women of their bodily autonomy is the ultimate moral position. The irony is that a pro choice stance actually results in less abortions. Their science denial is paramount as well. Tim seems to be drowning cognitive dissonance.
Tim es traga años. Que Dios los proteja a él y a Kathy. Ellos ofrecen la mejor respuesta a las preguntas de muchas personas. Hay tres misioneras aquí en El Salvador que han sido influenciadas por ellos. Con sus esposos han tenido excelentes matrimonios ejemplares y reflejan el amor de Cristo en su servicio aquí. Supe hasta este año cuando nuestro hijo y nuera nos regalaron tabletas. Una mañana allí estaba Tim Keller cuando me desperté. Me crié en la Iglesia Presbiteriana y uso un libro de Common Worship de 1946 pero asisto a una iglesia interdenominacional. La única iglesia presbiteriana aquí es de koreanos.
I agree with much of what he says, but I'm concerned that he's reinforcing wokeness with this narrative, even when its claims are false.
That’s exactly what he did over the years.
You do what Christ did and what the apostles did. Its irrelevant what the culture is or says. They preached in a non-christian culture. You do what is written. Preach the gospel, make disciples, and teach all that Christ commanded. Post christian America is irrelevant. Man's heart is still the same as it was 2000 years ago when Christ walked the earth. It's dead in sin in need of a savior. The solution is still the same. Salvation is by grace thru faith in Christ. The only method GOD has ordained to save sinners is the preaching of the gospel. Preach Christ!
The New Man
17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as [f]the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness. Ephesians 4:17-24
The greatest leader of all time died a shameful death on the Cross. Now we praise those whose "leadership" leads to celebrity.
21:50
1. racial justice
2. care for poor and marginalized
3. pro-life
4. conservative sexual view
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59:00 ?
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32:38
1. relationship
2. spiritual health
3. fiscal and material stability
4. vocation and career
5. wellness and behavioural health
(35:17 all 5 solvable by fruits of holy spirit scripture + proverb)
Thank you!!
Adding at 46.10 - discussion of the checkerboard of post-Christian values geographically and generationally.
Segueing into discussion of bringing the conversation of the 4 values shared earlier into sharing the gospel
Christianity has better resources for pursuing each of the 4 values.
Also speak to:
Identity
Freedom
Meaning
Value
Justice
How do you tell someone what is right or wrong?
People have to want Christianity to be true before they are open to an argument that it is.
Emotional Apologetics - 47.55
Blaise Pascal: "Bring Christianity to the place where they wish Christianity was true, then show them that it's true."
Foolishness to the Greeks is a great book by Newbingin.